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BREAKING NEWS: CHAVEZ'S GOONS MURDER TWO OPPOSITION DEMONSTRATORS
Fox News | 1/20/03

Posted on 01/20/2003 10:41:41 AM PST by Sparta

Geraldo just said on Fox News that "excellent sources" are reporting two opposition demonstrators have been killed today in demonstrations. Developing.....


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1 posted on 01/20/2003 10:41:41 AM PST by Sparta
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To: weikel; MattinNJ; wardaddy; support venezuela; shanec
ping
2 posted on 01/20/2003 10:42:23 AM PST by Sparta (Statism is a mental illness)
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To: Sparta
Thanks for the ping. I know the administration has their hands full but this guy has to go NOW.
3 posted on 01/20/2003 10:45:38 AM PST by MattinNJ
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To: *Latin_America_List
http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/bump-list
4 posted on 01/20/2003 10:47:47 AM PST by Free the USA (Stooge for the Rich)
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To: MattinNJ
Let stay out of this and let the people of Venezuela bring about the end of this bastard son of Fidel.

If they want this to end, they can end it, very quickly!
5 posted on 01/20/2003 10:47:52 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Free Republic, the site supported by those who don't believe in free lunches! Are you a donor?)
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To: MattinNJ
I know the administration has their hands full but this guy has to go NOW.

Couldn't agree more. Now that he's disarmed the police (the only armed opposition to him), it's going to be very difficult for Venezuelans to do this alone.

7 posted on 01/20/2003 10:51:35 AM PST by livius
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To: livius; MattinNJ
If there are some gunrunners lurking, there's lots of money to be made in Venezuela.
8 posted on 01/20/2003 10:53:19 AM PST by Sparta (Statism is a mental illness)
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To: Sparta
Glad to see that Carter's presence is helping the situation.
9 posted on 01/20/2003 10:53:24 AM PST by mass55th
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To: Grampa Dave
Time to take Chavez down - it sure looks like the people of Venezuela could use some help.
10 posted on 01/20/2003 10:55:40 AM PST by hchutch ("Last suckers crossed, Syndicate shot'em up" - Ice-T, "I'm Your Pusher")
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To: Sparta
Jimmy strikes again?

Jimmy Carter Joins Venezuelan Peace Bid ^
      Posted by Dog Gone
On 01/20/2003 1:19 PM EST with 13 comments


Reuters ^ | January 20, 2003 | Patrick Markey
By Patrick Markey CARACAS, Venezuela (Reuters) - Nobel Peace Prize winner Jimmy Carter tried on Monday to salvage faltering peace talks between Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez and foes staging a seven-week-old strike to bring down the leftist leader..

11 posted on 01/20/2003 10:55:44 AM PST by McGruff (Take a bite out of crime.)
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To: Sparta
How tragic...none of our business.
12 posted on 01/20/2003 11:01:28 AM PST by Destro
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To: mass55th
Glad to see that Carter's presence is helping the situation.

He should garner another Peace Prize for his fine work in Venezuela to date.

13 posted on 01/20/2003 11:02:25 AM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: Grampa Dave
Let stay out of this and let the people of Venezuela bring about the end of this bastard son of Fidel.

Yep. They elected a socialist - they got what they asked for.
I saw one of the protestors the other day on TV holding a sign that said Bush just wanted their oil. Now really, this is Bush's fault, too? (They must get CNN there). Must have been a low IQ peacenik wanna be, for sure.
This is not our problem. They'll figure it out without the U.S. becoming their scapegoat.

14 posted on 01/20/2003 11:03:21 AM PST by concerned about politics (Achievement is politically incorrect.)
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To: Grampa Dave; Sparta; shanec; livius
Let stay out of this and let the people of Venezuela bring about the end of this bastard son of Fidel. If they want this to end, they can end it, very quickly!

With what, harsh language. He's disarmed the police. On top of that thugs from Cuba, China, Libya, and Algeria are pouring in. This calls for either a sniper team insert or a carrier parked off the coast.

There's no way he can't go the way of Allende with ease. This guy isn't the sharpest tool in the shed. Two Miami disc jockeys were able to breach his security by playing recorded clips of Castro. This moron actually engaged in a conersation with a tape recorder.

I saw a clip of him doing an interview on Fox News. He actually believes the Venezuelan TV stations are broadcasting subliminal messages through the TV screen telling the people to riot. How long before those poor bastards wind up in a dank cell with a jumper cable from a car battery attached to their 'nads.

15 posted on 01/20/2003 11:03:40 AM PST by MattinNJ
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To: MattinNJ
He can still be cancelled.

It may be bloody and somewhat prolonged, but it will happen.

If not, one of our carriers when it comes back from the Middle East can handle the situation, after we finish our task without interuptions over there!
16 posted on 01/20/2003 11:11:15 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Free Republic, the site supported by those who don't believe in free lunches! Are you a donor?)
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To: Destro
How tragic...none of our business.

Why do you think that the political situation in Venezuela is none of our business?

17 posted on 01/20/2003 11:13:34 AM PST by RoughDobermann
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To: concerned about politics
They'll figure it out without the U.S. becoming their scapegoat.

We already ARE their "scapegoat." Perhaps you missed Chavez leading a burning of the American flag after 9/11? Or his expressions of devotion to North Korea and al Qaeda?

Sorry, he needs to be gone, one way or the other, before this gets even worse. I think that our failure to support the attempted rebellion in April last year (which was purely a Venezuelan product, btw) has simply let Chavez get really entrenched and given him time to root out any domestic opposition.

He's already said that no matter how people vote, he's not leaving. So the option is?

18 posted on 01/20/2003 11:14:45 AM PST by livius
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To: MattinNJ
With what, harsh language. He's disarmed the police. On top of that thugs from Cuba, China, Libya, and Algeria are pouring in.

The people elected this guy !! If we come in simply because they decided to change their minds later, we end up with thugs from Cuba, China, Libya, and Algeria against us, too.
We can't be everywhere for everybody and savng any leftie that makes a bad decision. If people chose to vote for left wing socialists in another country, how does that become Americas burden?

19 posted on 01/20/2003 11:14:52 AM PST by concerned about politics (Achievement is politically incorrect.)
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To: Grampa Dave
Let stay out of this and let the people of Venezuela bring about the end of this bastard son of Fidel.

That might not be possible. He is arming the thugs and torquing the security apparatus in such a way as to crush his opposition.

20 posted on 01/20/2003 11:17:18 AM PST by Carry_Okie (Because there are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: concerned about politics; Destro; MattinNJ; Grampa Dave; shanec
Chavez has funded Al-Qaeda and the Taliban after 9/11 to the tune of $1,000,000. That makes Chavez a part of the Axis of Evil, so it becomes America's business.
21 posted on 01/20/2003 11:19:51 AM PST by Sparta (Statism is a mental illness)
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To: All
Venezuela is just further proof that the US has no "blood for oil" policy. If we truly did, our forces would already be there.

Of course, this isn't pointed out in the press.

22 posted on 01/20/2003 11:21:38 AM PST by Kieri
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To: concerned about politics; Destro; Grampa Dave
I am the last one to volunteer sending some 19 year old kid from Nebraska to some hot spot on a whim. I think we should bring our boys home from Korea for example. However, we have a dog in this fight. 13% of our oil comes from Venezuela, the Monroe Doctrine clearly mandates our intervention, and the Communists are quickly grabbing hold of our southern neighbors. The Chicoms control the Panama Canal and have the world's largest naval base in the Bahamas. Chavez, Castro, and now Lula, are calling for a revolution in Columbia. Argentina is poised to topple.

I am no alarmist, but nothing good can come from this.

23 posted on 01/20/2003 11:23:46 AM PST by MattinNJ
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To: Sparta
Chavez has funded Al-Qaeda and the Taliban after 9/11 to the tune of $1,000,000. That makes Chavez a part of the Axis of Evil, so it becomes America's business.

I want to see this Marxist clown go down, too, but I haven't heard of the Al-Qaeda ties. Where did you hear this?

24 posted on 01/20/2003 11:25:43 AM PST by sargon
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To: sargon
http://www.militaresdemocraticos.com/articulos/en/20030109-03.html

An opposition website
25 posted on 01/20/2003 11:28:10 AM PST by Sparta (Statism is a mental illness)
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To: MattinNJ
I agree with the potential dangers.

Lets clean the decks in the Middle East and then Korea if we have to.

Then, we can tend to Chavez and Castro. I would volunteer if they would have an old 64 year grampa to help in taking out Castro and his bastard son, Chavez.
26 posted on 01/20/2003 11:28:59 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Free Republic, the site supported by those who don't believe in free lunches! Are you a donor?)
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To: Sparta
Chavez has funded Al-Qaeda and the Taliban after 9/11 to the tune of $1,000,000. That makes Chavez a part of the Axis of Evil, so it becomes America's business.

A good point that bears repeating.

27 posted on 01/20/2003 11:30:32 AM PST by MattinNJ
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To: Sparta
Chavez says: Comrades we must step our activities against the yankee imperialist slave dogs counter revolutionary sabotage, the true victory of socialism will be expressed through our indominatble will to liquidate the yanqui capitalist parasites slave dog puppet kulaks as a class. Peace, land, and bread all power to the proleteriat Venezuala must be liberated from foreign imperialist and their kulak puppets.

Does my commie propaganda sound authentic?

28 posted on 01/20/2003 11:31:19 AM PST by weikel
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To: Carry_Okie
He is a prime student of his daddy, Tio Fidel.

We have tolerated Fidel due to the hidden treaties signed after the Cuban Crisis with the USSR.

The USSR is gone. After we take the Chess players off of the Middle East Board, we can take care of Castro. I think that if Castro goes, Chevez will fall very quickly.
29 posted on 01/20/2003 11:32:02 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Free Republic, the site supported by those who don't believe in free lunches! Are you a donor?)
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To: RoughDobermann
I am not Venezualian. In addition goons from both sides have shot at demonstartors of both sides.
30 posted on 01/20/2003 11:32:04 AM PST by Destro
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To: Sparta
What you posted below, could become Chavez's smoking gun:

Chavez has funded Al-Qaeda and the Taliban after 9/11 to the tune of $1,000,000. That makes Chavez a part of the Axis of Evil, so it becomes America's business.

31 posted on 01/20/2003 11:34:33 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Free Republic, the site supported by those who don't believe in free lunches! Are you a donor?)
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To: Carry_Okie
Last I looked Chavez wasn't the one carrying out armed coups in the middle of the night.
32 posted on 01/20/2003 11:35:26 AM PST by Destro
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To: Grampa Dave
I think that if Castro goes, Chevez will fall very quickly.

Other way around. Chavez supplies Castro with oil.

33 posted on 01/20/2003 11:35:29 AM PST by Carry_Okie (Because there are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Destro
I am not Venezualian. In addition goons from both sides have shot at demonstartors of both sides.

Neither am I. Still, the fact that Venezuela is the third-largest supplier of oil to the United States makes me a tad nervous...

34 posted on 01/20/2003 11:35:47 AM PST by RoughDobermann
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To: Zviadist
Bump for your comrades.
35 posted on 01/20/2003 11:36:09 AM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Destro
Last I looked Chavez wasn't the one carrying out armed coups in the middle of the night.

You have a pretty distorted picture of what happened in April.

36 posted on 01/20/2003 11:36:33 AM PST by Carry_Okie (Because there are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Sparta
Update:

Unclear whether or not the military or the Bolivarian Guards fired the shots. Two dead and many others wounded.
37 posted on 01/20/2003 11:36:59 AM PST by Sparta (Statism is a mental illness)
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To: MattinNJ
The Chicoms control the Panama Canal and have the world's largest naval base in the Bahamas.

And Jimmy Carter simply gave it to them. Idiot Democrats!

I am no alarmist, but nothing good can come from this.

True, but we're busy right now. It appears Clintons third way, i.e., socialism support, has empowered the the rest of the world not to fear the freedom loving Americans. We're being set up to become a socialst nation ourselves via the democrat party and U.N. It's their vision of eternal power.

We're stuck dealing with communist N.Korea, a dictator in Iraq, terrorists Muslims, and now this. All friends of the left. It's quite the burden we're carryng right now to keep America free when our own nation is 50% socialist. I hope we can win this.

38 posted on 01/20/2003 11:38:09 AM PST by concerned about politics (Achievement is politically incorrect.)
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To: weikel
Bravo. Those hoarding kulaks must be exterminated for the sake of the people, the party, and the revolution.
39 posted on 01/20/2003 11:39:52 AM PST by Sparta (Statism is a mental illness)
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To: concerned about politics; MattinNJ
Also, both parties are heavily infiltrated with socialists(Enemies of the Republic).
40 posted on 01/20/2003 11:40:54 AM PST by Sparta (Statism is a mental illness)
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To: Sparta
CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) -- Supporters of President Hugo Chavez clashed with opposition marchers outside Caracas on Monday, and one person was killed when shots were fired into the crowd.

The confrontation began when Chavez's supporters tossed bottles and rocks at the marchers in the town of Charallave, Miranda state governor Enrique Mendoza said. He said rioters set fire to vehicles and a stage that had been set up for opposition speakers.

Police were trying to keep the two sides apart when gunfire erupted. It wasn't clear who fired the shots, though Mendoza said police fired back.

A 29-year-old man was killed and 12 were wounded by gunfire, said Lt. Col. Guido Bolivar, an officer of the Miranda state fire department. The rest were hurt by flying objects, Bolivar said.

It wasn't known if the wounded were hit in the initial hail of gunfire or by police.

The violence heightened tensions surrounding a 50-day-old opposition strike intended to oust Chavez. Six people have died in protests since the strike started Dec. 2.

The unrest coincided with a visit from former President Jimmy Carter, who was trying to jump-start negotiations between the government and opposition.

Carter, who won the Nobel Peace Prize in October, was to meet with Chavez and attend negotiations sponsored the Organization of American States. Carter's Atlanta-based Carter Center is also sponsoring talks. He arrived in Venezuela on Wednesday for a fishing trip.

In his weekly television call-in show Sunday, Chavez warned that the government may walk out of negotiations with strike leaders. He accused them of using unconstitutional means to seek his ouster.

``We are carefully evaluating the possibility that our representatives will leave the (negotiating) table,'' Chavez said. ``We don't talk with terrorists.''

Political parties, business leaders and labor unions called the general strike to pressure Chavez to resign or call early elections. Election authorities agreed to organize a Feb. 2 referendum after accepting an opposition petition.

Chavez says opponents must wait until August, midway through his six-year term, for a possible recall referendum. A Supreme Court ruling on the matter is pending.

The strike has caused severe shortages in gasoline and foods such as flour, milk, bottled water and soft drinks.

Production is down to 800,000 barrels a day, according to the government, though opposition leaders put the figure at 600,000 barrels. Venezuela is the world's fifth-largest petroleum-exporting nation and produced 3 million barrels a day before the strike.

The president of Venezuela's oil monopoly urged workers to return to work Monday.

``I urge you as citizens, appealing to whatever reserves of rationality there may be, to stop these activities, stop this campaign that affects the whole country,'' Ali Rodriguez, president of Petroleos de Venezuela S.A, said in an interview on state television station Venezolana de Television.

``The objectives you have set are unreachable,'' said Rodriguez, a chief Chavez ally.

Chavez has fired more than 1,000 white-collar workers at PDVSA. He has the support of Venezuela's military and has sent troops to seize striking oil tankers, keep strikers out of oil installations and commandeer gasoline delivery trucks.

Chavez's opponents say his leftist policies have driven the country toward economic ruin. They also say his autocratic style erodes democratic institutions.

41 posted on 01/20/2003 11:41:35 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Sparta
Funded how? Are those American firms that negotiated for pipeline deals through Afghanistan also part of the "Axis of Evil"?
42 posted on 01/20/2003 11:41:45 AM PST by Destro
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To: Grampa Dave
It's always MUCH better if a people can throw off their own dictators... for us AND for them. Can you imagine what we would said/done if some European nation decided to get physically involved in the Civil War, on either side?
43 posted on 01/20/2003 11:42:33 AM PST by Teacher317
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To: RoughDobermann
Neither am I. Still, the fact that Venezuela is the third-largest supplier of oil to the United States makes me a tad nervous...

And the socialists in our own country are inhibiting the drilling of oil from our own land. They're siding with the worlds socialists rather than Americas freedom.
They really think socialism , i.e., the third way, is the utopian way to exist. They really think it is because the government takes care of everything (that includes getting rid of the left wing useless idiots when they've served ther purpose, but the left doesn't know about that part. Socialism has no place for useless eaters.)

44 posted on 01/20/2003 11:46:20 AM PST by concerned about politics (Achievement is politically incorrect.)
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To: Dog Gone
Beat me to it. The Guardian(UK) just hit press with it.
45 posted on 01/20/2003 11:46:57 AM PST by Sparta (Statism is a mental illness)
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To: concerned about politics; Sparta
It's quite the burden we're carryng right now to keep America free when our own nation is 50% socialist. I hope we can win this.

I agree. However, I have a feeling if the whole world sees our awesome power unleashed on Iraq and we knock off Chavez things will quiet down quickly.

Unfortunately for the people of Venezuela, GW won't step in until Chavez refuses to allow new elections. Technically GW would be correct in respecting their election and the rule of law. I just have a bad feeling that a lot of good people are going to die in the meantime.

46 posted on 01/20/2003 11:49:05 AM PST by MattinNJ
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To: Destro; MattinNJ; Grampa Dave
http://militaresdemocraticos.com/articulos/en/20021231-01.html

Read it and learn.
47 posted on 01/20/2003 11:49:19 AM PST by Sparta (Statism is a mental illness)
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To: RoughDobermann
Neither am I. Still, the fact that Venezuela is the third-largest supplier of oil to the United States makes me a tad nervous...

Maybe we should drill in Alaska and have it not be the case? In any case just because "we" buy it does not make it ours when it comes out of the ground. It is their oil even when they screw up production and it is theirs to do as they please.

48 posted on 01/20/2003 11:50:59 AM PST by Destro
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To: Sparta
Don't worry! Jimmy Carter just landed there and will straighten this whole thing out. {/sarcasm}
49 posted on 01/20/2003 11:53:12 AM PST by DoctorMichael (Liberalism SuX)
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To: Destro
Venezuala is in America's direct sphere of influence even in oldschool isolationist foreign policy. Alaska could repace Saudi oil but we ain't gonna be able to produce everything domestically.
50 posted on 01/20/2003 11:58:02 AM PST by weikel
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