FBI TERROR RAID IN PROGRESS-W. Palm Beach, Florida Residence

MSNBC ^ | January 21, 2003 | Lester Holt

[ewing]

Perp is a possible Arab Male, nothing further.

[Fred Mertz]

Thanks for the news link.

[Sacajaweau]

Trying to figure out which dot to connect the search to....Atta, Hatfill, Malvo & Muhammed, the latest fingerprinting of groups of immigrants, intelligence we don't know (phone calls, bank records, student pilot records etc.)??

The guy was an engineer but we don't know what kind. Interesting that they had a bank account at the same bank as Atta though not necessarily at the same branch....or is that the most used Bank in Florida.

Wouldn't we all love to know what is in the warrant!!!!!!!! They may have been watching this place for all this time and wanted to search it BEFORE they came back. Then they have something to compare with later.

[swarthyguy]

My 2 cents -- Atta and Co's local contact and cover.

[Sacajaweau]

Well, they're saying Lantana Airport, same airport where Atta flew a small plane. Sounds like the possibilty of some kind of overhead attack. Now put the kid with Atta on the same day and connect Stevens (Anthrax victim) who lived in Lanatana and you might have why Stevens was "SELECTED".

[swarthyguy]

I believe this is the second accident - helo crash Dekkers has been in.....Interesting, eh?

Jan 24, 2003

Owner of Florida Aviation School Survives Helicopter Crash; Company Trained Sept. 11 Hijackers
The Associated Press

FORT MYERS, Fla. (AP) - A helicopter carrying the owner of a flight school where two of the Sept. 11 hijackers trained crashed into a river Friday, and another pilot rescued him from the sinking aircraft.
Rudi Dekkers, 48, was not seriously hurt, police said.

Dekkers, owner of Huffman Aviation and president of Dekkers Aviation Group, was on his way to work when the helicopter flipped over and plunged into the Caloosahatchee River near downtown Fort Myers at 7:25 a.m., police said.

Dekkers climbed on part of the helicopter before it submerged, and a passing helicopter pilot, 35-year-old Tony Douangdara, spotted the wreck.

Dekkers grabbed the landing runners on Douangdara's helicopter, which pulled him from the river.

Douangdara dropped Dekkers off at a nearby home, and with fuel stinging his skin, Dekkers went into the pool to wash off.

Dekkers was taken to a hospital but his condition was not serious, Fort Myers Police spokeswoman Kara Winton said.

A Huffman Aviation employee said she had talked to Dekkers but declined to comment.

Two of the Sept. 11, 2001, hijackers, Mohamed Atta and Marwan Al-Shehhi, took flight lessons at Huffman Aviation in Venice, 70 miles south of Tampa. They obtained multiengine commercial licenses on Dec. 21, 2000.

Dekkers was charged this month with felony fraud for failing to repay a $200,000 loan. He has denied criminal wrongdoing.

AP-ES-01-24-03 1214EST

This story can be found at: http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGAMIMDECBD.html

[The Great Satan]

Michael Irish, editor of The Sun, where Bob Stevens worked, and husband of Gloria Irish, who rented the core hijacker nest in Delray Beach, is a private pilot who flies out of the Lantana airfield. And it is an airfield, BTW, not an airport. It's for light planes only, is my understanding.

[aristeides]

Aren't helicopters notoriously easy to sabotage?

[Sacajaweau]

They're back near Camp David searching the ponds etc.. This is darn close to where they picked up Malvo & Muhammed.

[aristeides]

Any idea what they're searching the ponds for?

[Fred Mertz]

FBI again snoops about watershed (anthrax)

I believe this is what Sac is referring to.

[Sacajaweau]

Thanks Fred...(Now that the whole world knows that I don't know how to attach stuff!!!) You guys have helped me twice today. Thanks/Sac

[Future Useless Eater]

I have suddenly gotten MUCH more interested in this West Palm Beach house and its occupants!!!
The Washington Post reported this in their version of this story...

The home in Greenacres, a small community south of Palm Beach, is owned by Mohammed Almasri and Afuf Arif, according to Palm Beach County property records.

Now in separate stories about Lee Malvo, we can see that the sniper suspect's MAIN DEFENSE LAYWER is named Michael Arif.

This coincidence is far too strong to avoid! Why would Malvo even ALLOW a middle-eastern lawyer to head his defense. It seems that it will only strengthen the notion that Malvo was working with the Jihaddist terrorists.

And what are the odds Malvo's middle-eastern defense lawyer would have the SAME LAST NAME as a co-owner of the house in W.P.B. that appears to have been supporting terrorists?

The rest of you here have already thrown out many possible connections in Florida between Malvo and the terrorists, and the Anthrax, NICE JOB!

Also note, Malvo was telling people in August 2002 he wanted to learn to be a pilot, which sounds like an idea he'd picked up from associations around Lantana (the 9/11 pilots).

And remember the golfer, Albert S. Michalczyk, who was shot in the chest by a sniper with a small caliber rifle at the Glen Oaks Golf Course in Clearwater FL on May 18, 2002.

Did Malvo (and Muhammad) return to Florida in May and visit with the terror suspects? Muhammad showed a friend in late May several types of Caribbean currency he had recently obtained from the Bahamas, Granada, and Jamaica. Malvo bragged at the same time to having shot TWO golfers. One we know was on March 21st in Tucson AZ.

I am more convinced now that Mr. Michalczyk was indeed Malvo's 2nd sniper-golfing victim.

[Lion's Cub]

thinden; honway; archy; Wallaby-

If you haven't checked in with this thread lately, I think you'll want to read it :)

Excellent pickup FL! You guys are doing a great job!

There's no doubt in my mind that the al-Masri family are key players. And Madawi Almasri certainly used a strange coice of words in her comments in #193:

It's all going to end peacefully."
and
We are very clean."

Either these people are high up on the terrorist chain, or they are Saudi intelligence trying to keep track of the terrorists. Lots of sons are sloppy. But I don't know any brave enough to leave plates of food sit on a table for months when they know that they'll eventually have to face mother's wrath when the family returns home the next summer.

[FR_addict]

You've done some great research here! I think you may have uncovered very important connections between some of the terrorists.

I didn't know until your last post that Malvo's lawyer is Middle Eastern. The media is downplaying many of the facts about the snipers. They're still upset the two didn't fit the FBI profile.

[thinden]

on it. thanx for the heads up.

[eno_]

In general the U.S. media and probably the FBI think they are up against a real espionage organization. Only sort of: There is a core of CIA and/or KGB-trained ops left over from the Cold War conflict in the 'stans, but most of Al Quaida and its associates is a bunch of amateurs. There is no exclusivity, so yahoos like John Mohammad and John Malvo get ideas and go freelancing.

This is why we need to find and exclude Moslem radicals in the U.S. We must treat them as if we had tens of thousands of neo-Nazi immigrants. They should properly be excluded for unacceptable political associations. These people are the water the most dangerous terrorists swim in.

[archy]

Now in seperate stories about Lee Malvo, we can see that the sniper suspect's main lawyer is named Michael Arif.

The coincidence is far too strong to avoid.

Does the name of Colonel Abd-al-Salam Muhammed Arif ring a bell with you, from back around the time of Fidel Castro's takeover in Cuba, say 1958 or 1959?

[archy]

I believe this is the second accident - helo crash Dekkers has been in.....Interesting, eh?

More details regarding Rudi Dekker's helicopter crash and a link to an NBC news story on the incident *here*.

-archy-/-

[Sacajaweau]

Don'tcha just love all the coincidences.

The coincidence of Malvo's last day of school on Oct. 5th 2001, the day Stevens (AMI) died is overwhelming. Malvo never missed a day since he started on Aug 13, 2001.

Malvo had no money and would have been provided with an attorney. Was this Arif guy appointed or is he Malvo's pro-bono, kiss of death attorney??

The problem now is: How many people were involved in the anthrax scenario?? How many are dead and how many are alive. I believe the maker and the deliverer of it (Atta) are dead but the runners are still alive.

It's a complex scenario, just like the hijack scenario.

[Sacajaweau]

Michael Arif was appointed as Malvo's attorney.