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FBI TERROR RAID IN PROGRESS-W. Palm Beach, Florida Residence
MSNBC ^ | January 21, 2003 | Lester Holt

Posted on 01/21/2003 3:09:00 PM PST by ewing

Perp is a possible Arab Male, nothing further.

(Excerpt) Read more at msnbc.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: afufarif; ahmedsattar; albertmichalczyk; almasri; anthrax; fbi; florida; huffmanaviation; johnmuhammed; lantanaairport; leeboydmalvo; marwanalshehhi; mohamedatta; mohammedalmasri; raid; saudiarabia; terror
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To: aristeides; okie01
Thanks for the news link.
201 posted on 01/24/2003 12:02:12 PM PST by Fred Mertz
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To: swarthyguy
Trying to figure out which dot to connect the search to....Atta, Hatfill, Malvo & Muhammed, the latest fingerprinting of groups of immigrants, intelligence we don't know (phone calls, bank records, student pilot records etc.)??

The guy was an engineer but we don't know what kind. Interesting that they had a bank account at the same bank as Atta though not necessarily at the same branch....or is that the most used Bank in Florida.

Wouldn't we all love to know what is in the warrant!!!!!!!! They may have been watching this place for all this time and wanted to search it BEFORE they came back. Then they have something to compare with later.

202 posted on 01/24/2003 12:11:53 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau
My 2 cents -- Atta and Co's local contact and cover.
203 posted on 01/24/2003 12:20:55 PM PST by swarthyguy
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To: swarthyguy
Well, they're saying Lantana Airport, same airport where Atta flew a small plane. Sounds like the possibilty of some kind of overhead attack. Now put the kid with Atta on the same day and connect Stevens (Anthrax victim) who lived in Lanatana and you might have why Stevens was "SELECTED".
204 posted on 01/24/2003 12:37:50 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau; aristeides; FL_engineer
I believe this is the second accident - helo crash Dekkers has been in.....Interesting, eh?

Jan 24, 2003

Owner of Florida Aviation School Survives Helicopter Crash; Company Trained Sept. 11 Hijackers
The Associated Press

FORT MYERS, Fla. (AP) - A helicopter carrying the owner of a flight school where two of the Sept. 11 hijackers trained crashed into a river Friday, and another pilot rescued him from the sinking aircraft.
Rudi Dekkers, 48, was not seriously hurt, police said.

Dekkers, owner of Huffman Aviation and president of Dekkers Aviation Group, was on his way to work when the helicopter flipped over and plunged into the Caloosahatchee River near downtown Fort Myers at 7:25 a.m., police said.

Dekkers climbed on part of the helicopter before it submerged, and a passing helicopter pilot, 35-year-old Tony Douangdara, spotted the wreck.

Dekkers grabbed the landing runners on Douangdara's helicopter, which pulled him from the river.

Douangdara dropped Dekkers off at a nearby home, and with fuel stinging his skin, Dekkers went into the pool to wash off.

Dekkers was taken to a hospital but his condition was not serious, Fort Myers Police spokeswoman Kara Winton said.

A Huffman Aviation employee said she had talked to Dekkers but declined to comment.

Two of the Sept. 11, 2001, hijackers, Mohamed Atta and Marwan Al-Shehhi, took flight lessons at Huffman Aviation in Venice, 70 miles south of Tampa. They obtained multiengine commercial licenses on Dec. 21, 2000.

Dekkers was charged this month with felony fraud for failing to repay a $200,000 loan. He has denied criminal wrongdoing.

AP-ES-01-24-03 1214EST

This story can be found at: http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGAMIMDECBD.html

205 posted on 01/24/2003 12:41:32 PM PST by swarthyguy
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To: Sacajaweau
Michael Irish, editor of The Sun, where Bob Stevens worked, and husband of Gloria Irish, who rented the core hijacker nest in Delray Beach, is a private pilot who flies out of the Lantana airfield. And it is an airfield, BTW, not an airport. It's for light planes only, is my understanding.
206 posted on 01/24/2003 12:42:01 PM PST by The Great Satan
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To: swarthyguy
Aren't helicopters notoriously easy to sabotage?
207 posted on 01/24/2003 1:04:53 PM PST by aristeides
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To: aristeides
They're back near Camp David searching the ponds etc.. This is darn close to where they picked up Malvo & Muhammed.
208 posted on 01/24/2003 1:13:03 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau
Any idea what they're searching the ponds for?
209 posted on 01/24/2003 1:15:18 PM PST by aristeides
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To: aristeides
FBI again snoops about watershed (anthrax)

I believe this is what Sac is referring to.

210 posted on 01/24/2003 1:18:11 PM PST by Fred Mertz
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To: Fred Mertz
Thanks Fred...(Now that the whole world knows that I don't know how to attach stuff!!!) You guys have helped me twice today. Thanks/Sac
211 posted on 01/24/2003 1:23:11 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau; Shermy; ~Kim4VRWC's~; Travis McGee; Fred Mertz; swarthyguy; aristeides; Sabertooth; ...
I have suddenly gotten MUCH more interested in this West Palm Beach house and its occupants!!!
The Washington Post reported this in their version of this story...
The home in Greenacres, a small community south of Palm Beach, is owned by Mohammed Almasri and Afuf Arif, according to Palm Beach County property records.
Now in separate stories about Lee Malvo, we can see that the sniper suspect's MAIN DEFENSE LAYWER is named Michael Arif.

This coincidence is far too strong to avoid! Why would Malvo even ALLOW a middle-eastern lawyer to head his defense. It seems that it will only strengthen the notion that Malvo was working with the Jihaddist terrorists.

And what are the odds Malvo's middle-eastern defense lawyer would have the SAME LAST NAME as a co-owner of the house in W.P.B. that appears to have been supporting terrorists?

The rest of you here have already thrown out many possible connections in Florida between Malvo and the terrorists, and the Anthrax, NICE JOB!

Also note, Malvo was telling people in August 2002 he wanted to learn to be a pilot, which sounds like an idea he'd picked up from associations around Lantana (the 9/11 pilots).

And remember the golfer, Albert S. Michalczyk, who was shot in the chest by a sniper with a small caliber rifle at the Glen Oaks Golf Course in Clearwater FL on May 18, 2002.

Did Malvo (and Muhammad) return to Florida in May and visit with the terror suspects? Muhammad showed a friend in late May several types of Caribbean currency he had recently obtained from the Bahamas, Granada, and Jamaica. Malvo bragged at the same time to having shot TWO golfers. One we know was on March 21st in Tucson AZ.

I am more convinced now that Mr. Michalczyk was indeed Malvo's 2nd sniper-golfing victim.

212 posted on 01/25/2003 1:07:17 AM PST by Future Useless Eater
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To: FL_engineer; thinden; honway; archy; Wallaby
thinden; honway; archy; Wallaby-

If you haven't checked in with this thread lately, I think you'll want to read it :)

Excellent pickup FL! You guys are doing a great job!

There's no doubt in my mind that the al-Masri family are key players. And Madawi Almasri certainly used a strange coice of words in her comments in #193:

It's all going to end peacefully."
and

We are very clean."

Either these people are high up on the terrorist chain, or they are Saudi intelligence trying to keep track of the terrorists. Lots of sons are sloppy. But I don't know any brave enough to leave plates of food sit on a table for months when they know that they'll eventually have to face mother's wrath when the family returns home the next summer.

213 posted on 01/25/2003 3:24:27 AM PST by Lion's Cub
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To: FL_engineer
You've done some great research here! I think you may have uncovered very important connections between some of the terrorists.

I didn't know until your last post that Malvo's lawyer is Middle Eastern. The media is downplaying many of the facts about the snipers. They're still upset the two didn't fit the FBI profile.
214 posted on 01/25/2003 5:18:21 AM PST by FR_addict
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To: Lion's Cub; Fred Mertz
on it. thanx for the heads up.
215 posted on 01/25/2003 5:27:47 AM PST by thinden
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To: FR_addict
In general the U.S. media and probably the FBI think they are up against a real espionage organization. Only sort of: There is a core of CIA and/or KGB-trained ops left over from the Cold War conflict in the 'stans, but most of Al Quaida and its associates is a bunch of amateurs. There is no exclusivity, so yahoos like John Mohammad and John Malvo get ideas and go freelancing.

This is why we need to find and exclude Moslem radicals in the U.S. We must treat them as if we had tens of thousands of neo-Nazi immigrants. They should properly be excluded for unacceptable political associations. These people are the water the most dangerous terrorists swim in.
216 posted on 01/25/2003 7:04:26 AM PST by eno_
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To: FL_engineer
Now in seperate stories about Lee Malvo, we can see that the sniper suspect's main lawyer is named Michael Arif.

The coincidence is far too strong to avoid.

Does the name of Colonel Abd-al-Salam Muhammed Arif ring a bell with you, from back around the time of Fidel Castro's takeover in Cuba, say 1958 or 1959?

217 posted on 01/25/2003 7:54:32 AM PST by archy (Remember that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: swarthyguy
I believe this is the second accident - helo crash Dekkers has been in.....Interesting, eh?

More details regarding Rudi Dekker's helicopter crash and a link to an NBC news story on the incident *here*.

-archy-/-

218 posted on 01/25/2003 8:03:20 AM PST by archy (Remember that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: archy
Don'tcha just love all the coincidences.

The coincidence of Malvo's last day of school on Oct. 5th 2001, the day Stevens (AMI) died is overwhelming. Malvo never missed a day since he started on Aug 13, 2001.

Malvo had no money and would have been provided with an attorney. Was this Arif guy appointed or is he Malvo's pro-bono, kiss of death attorney??

The problem now is: How many people were involved in the anthrax scenario?? How many are dead and how many are alive. I believe the maker and the deliverer of it (Atta) are dead but the runners are still alive.

It's a complex scenario, just like the hijack scenario.

219 posted on 01/25/2003 1:07:54 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: All
Michael Arif was appointed as Malvo's attorney.
220 posted on 01/25/2003 1:17:22 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: FL_engineer; Grampa Dave
Great Catch!
221 posted on 01/25/2003 5:15:23 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Sacajaweau
Somebody here around the Sniper timeline noticed the handwriting on the anthrax letters and on the notes to Moose were so similar as to be identical.
222 posted on 01/30/2003 10:06:41 AM PST by txhurl
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To: FL_engineer; aristeides; The Great Satan; Alamo-Girl; Nita Nuprez
Good work!
223 posted on 01/30/2003 10:13:32 AM PST by Fred Mertz
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To: Fred Mertz
Very interesting! Thanks for the heads up!
224 posted on 01/30/2003 10:46:14 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: txflake
There are several similarities in the Anthax letters and Sniper note:

1. PRINTED: All samples are printed though the Anthrax letters are all caps and the Sniper note is in both upper & lower case.

2. TOP CENTER The Anthrax letters have the date centered at the top of the page. The Sniper letter has the page number centered at the top of the page. (Unlikely positions for most, I think).

3. SPACING All samples have exaggerated spacing between words.

4. LINE IT UP There appears to be an habitual effort to line things up. In the Anthrax letters, the text is brief and take only one line but the left margin is strong and there is an attempt to line other words up. In the sniper letter, the text is longer, taking up two lines but "indenting" to line things up is apparent.

5. SPELLING There are mispelled words in both cases.

6. TEXT The contents of the text is similar; a threat and instructions; We have anthrax, take Penacilin. We have a gun, deposit money. HOWEVER, once the news of a possible Anthrax attack was in the media, they continued and deposited 2 more letters (to the Senators) in the mail AND once the sniper letter was out, they continued and killed five more people. SO, THE INSTRUCTIONS WERE NOT INSTRUCTIONS IN FACT BUT MERE "INSIDERS KNOWLEDGE" AND ADDITIONAL MEDIA EXPOSURE. My best guess is that, as usual, the terrorists WATCHED our entire response, particularly how our leaders were protected.

I have little doubt that Mohammed "the Sniper" is associated with the terrorists and is willing to accept the death penalty as his martyrdom. Malvo probably doesn't know how that association worked but I do believe we will find his achiles heel before we are done and he will scream "I hate America" and Americans for everyone to hear.

The big lightbulb for me was: Malvo's last day at school was October 5th, 2001, the day Steven's (AMI) died. He told no one and arrived at the Mission in Washington State on October 20th.

He had had perfect attendance at the school. It is four days by bus to Washington. Where was he for 10 days??

225 posted on 01/30/2003 12:26:40 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau
Remember this? I will never believe it to be mere coincidence:

Victim from Gainesville, attended UF (background of sniper victim, Linda Franklin

To: aristeides

It has been reported that her work assignment was in the area of financial crimes. Had she been assigned to the OHS, she likely would have been working side by side with US Customs analysts and investigators who now are employed by the lead agency tracking and seizing the financial assets of terrorist networks worldwide under the umbrella of Operation Green Quest, a multi-agency task force.....

12 posted on 10/16/2002 11:37 AM CDT by tracer
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To: tracer

It has been reported that her work assignment was in the area of financial crimes.

But she was with NIPC, doing cybercrimes, yes? I thought that might be Nigerian bank frauds and similar stuff.

13 posted on 10/16/2002 12:22 PM CDT by angkor

226 posted on 01/30/2003 2:53:25 PM PST by txhurl
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To: archy
Crosspost: from Tirade against Islam dismays Dutch Muslims

Good God the world is getting small.

To: Guillermo; swarthyguy; FL_engineer; The Great Satan; Sacajaweau; aristeides; okie01; timestax; ...

Other doins in Holland: (reported 9/27 here at FR: thread)


Islamic Calendar for Sept. 2001
Jet hitting lower Manhattan
A calendar which was printed in Egypt and for the month of September shows a crashing passenger plane with Manhattan and the Statue of Liberty as a backdrop -- and which was printed in May, a full three months before the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on America -- has caused an uproar in the Dutch town of Almere, Netherlands, the newspaper De Telegraaf reported yesterday.

The calendar was distributed at an Islamic school long before the World Trade Center attacks. Mayor Hans Ouwerkerk, who was alerted to the calendar's existence in the local Islamic school in the town of Almere, immediately notified the Dutch internal security service (BVD) about the strange coincidence. The BVD is reportedly investigating the matter.

"I am supported by Allah, to die for Allah" was quoted on the calendar, the same words reportedly used by an EgyptAir pilot who allegedly crashed a jet in November of 1999.

The Almere Town Council has "urgently advised" the management of the Islamic School Foundation to "cooperate with the Dutch authorities and help determine the calendar's origin."

Deputy Mayor Henk Smeeman said the distribution of such controversial Islamic-extremist fundamentalist propaganda material "cannot be tolerated in Almere. The Town Council is a strong supporter of maintaining good intercultural relationships with one another," he said. Some of the calendar's other illustrations show a stone-throwing Palestinian demonstrator in front of the Al-Aksa mosque in Jerusalem, an Egyptian military assault during the six-day war against Israel, and a futuristic image of a Palestinian "freeing" of Jerusalem.

The head of the Islamic school, Mrs. Dekker, allegedly had a large number of calendars in her possession from the end of May to the beginning of June, well-informed sources informed De Telegraaf. When confronted with the calendar images, she responded in a shocked, startled manner, asking "How did you get this" before shrouding herself in silence when further questioned by journalists.

De Telegraaf also reported today that Dutch authorities abruptly closed the major traffic arteries into Rotterdam and Amsterdam through four river tunnels -- in immediate response to a highly detailed letter to the Dutch news agency ANP that described the exact time (8:10 a.m.) and the colors and types of vehicles that would have been used in a closely timed wave of suicide attacks at the height of rush hour in two of the world's busiest harbor cities.

Dutch police arrested a large number of individuals who had been identified by the anonymous tipster, who also warned that a great many other terrorist attacks would be carried out worldwide. Collapsing these riverine tunnels would have meant the immediate closure of these busy international harbors, seriously disrupting international trade.

Related story: Read Adriana Stuijt's report on terrorist activity in the Netherlands and Belgium.


TOPICS:

Swarthy: does this fit at all?


To: Sacajaweau; aristeides; FL_engineer

I believe this is the second accident - helo crash Dekkers has been in.....Interesting, eh?

Jan 24, 2003

Owner of Florida Aviation School Survives Helicopter Crash; Company Trained Sept. 11 Hijackers
The Associated Press

FORT MYERS, Fla. (AP) - A helicopter carrying the owner of a flight school where two of the Sept. 11 hijackers trained crashed into a river Friday, and another pilot rescued him from the sinking aircraft.
Rudi Dekkers, 48, was not seriously hurt, police said.

Dekkers, owner of Huffman Aviation and president of Dekkers Aviation Group, was on his way to work when the helicopter flipped over and plunged into the Caloosahatchee River near downtown Fort Myers at 7:25 a.m., police said.

Dekkers climbed on part of the helicopter before it submerged, and a passing helicopter pilot, 35-year-old Tony Douangdara, spotted the wreck.

Dekkers grabbed the landing runners on Douangdara's helicopter, which pulled him from the river.

Douangdara dropped Dekkers off at a nearby home, and with fuel stinging his skin, Dekkers went into the pool to wash off.

Dekkers was taken to a hospital but his condition was not serious, Fort Myers Police spokeswoman Kara Winton said.

A Huffman Aviation employee said she had talked to Dekkers but declined to comment.

Two of the Sept. 11, 2001, hijackers, Mohamed Atta and Marwan Al-Shehhi, took flight lessons at Huffman Aviation in Venice, 70 miles south of Tampa. They obtained multiengine commercial licenses on Dec. 21, 2000.

Dekkers was charged this month with felony fraud for failing to repay a $200,000 loan. He has denied criminal wrongdoing.

AP-ES-01-24-03 1214EST

This story can be found at: http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGAMIMDECBD.html


227 posted on 01/31/2003 1:04:38 AM PST by txhurl
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To: txflake
And, before I remove the tinfoil, a funky link from SNIPER to the Palestinians.

As the sniper killings continue, many theories have been put forth. One of the most interesting has been expressed by Dr. Eugene Narrett, an author of a book on the Oslo agreements that were supposed to end the hostilities between the Palestinian Authority and the nation of Israel. He notes that, "Beginning in 1995, during the first Clinton administration, the CIA began training Palestinians as long-distance snipers." "This was typical of the madness of Oslo and it was justified as being part of the 'security arrangements' of the Interim Accords. Ostensibly and for public consumption these US-trained Arab snipers would help prevent infractions of the holy Oslo charade. The far more plausible scenario that they would use their US supplied skills and equipment to murder Israelis and Americans seems to have weighed little with our 'intelligence' officers."

228 posted on 01/31/2003 1:21:38 AM PST by txhurl
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To: Guillermo; swarthyguy; FL_engineer; The Great Satan; Sacajaweau; aristeides; okie01; timestax; ...
OK: this was posted at FR.

What are they hiding down in Venice Florida

Mad Cow ^ | unknown | D. Hopsicker

Posted on 10/02/2001 5:09 PM CDT by Magician

The real news right now is not in what they’re giving us; it’s in what they’re leaving out. In the two major strands of the investigation as leaked to the press--the German connection which is everywhere, and the money trail--both have the Gulf Coast of Florida anchoring one end of the rainbow.

Today's Boston Globe has a former CIA counterterrorism chief fingering Islamic Jihad.

ITEM: The director of an Islamic studies think tank in Tampa was proclaimed the leader of Islamic Jihad in 1996. Afterwards the new think tank chief was held by the government for more than three and a half years on secret evidence, in a Bradenton, Florida jail.

The man, Mazen Al-Najjar, was eventually released after courts ruled that he could not be detained further without just cause.

On his release, local reporters wrote that the government had reluctantly revealed only the smallest bit of its evidence against him.

ITEM: on the day of the attack Sarasota police said the Secret Service interrogated four Sudanese men after getting a tip that the men intended to harm President Bush during his visit to the city. The incident was found to be "unrelated" to the attacks, and ended in the release of the men.

Four Sudanese men? In Sarasota, Florida? We'd have sooner believed that Katherine Harris was secretly dating Dennis Rodman than that you could ever find four Sudanese in whitebread Sarasota, Florida.

What were they doing? Pricing retirement real estate? Closing a deal to buy Florida's old election machines on the cheap?

Then we get to Venice Florida. The Venice Florida airport, where virtually all of the terrorist pilots trained, is the biggest September 11th crime scene that wasn't reduced to rubble.

What was its attraction to the pilot trainees in Bin Lauden's terrorist air force? ITEM: Investigators are focusing on Mr. Bin al-Shibh," reports today’s New York Times, "who lived with Mr. Atta and other members of the Hamburg cell... (and who) transferred 2,000 Deutschmarks, or about $4,200, through Citibank to the West Coast Bank in Florida as a down payment at the same flight school attended by Mr. Jarrah."

That’s the news they’re giving us.

ITEM: That money went to Arne Kruithof, owner of the Florida Flight Training School at the tiny Venice Florida airport.

The New York Times neglects to mention it. The Los Angeles Times reported that "Atta and al-Shehhi, who were roommates while living in Germany, arrived in the United States within days of each other in mid-2000. They got flight lessons in Florida, but not at the same location as Jarrah."

ITEM: Jarrah got his lessons right next door, at Arne Kruithof’s school. All were at the tiny Venice Airport. The Los Angeles Times neglects to mention it. Nor do they bother to offer any reason for the apparent affinity of middle eastern terrorists for sleepy enclaves filled with widows with blue hair on the Florida Gulf Coast.

ITEM: Almost all of the terrorist pilots received their initial training in Venice, either at Kruithof’s or at Dekkers' flight school. Together, these two schools trained the core cadre of foreign national terrorist pilots.

ITEM: Atta moved from Germany to train with Dekkers' flight school in Venice, Huffman Aviation. At least four other members of the same terrorist cell followed him.

ITEM: Dekkers was actively engaged in an aggressive European "marketing" campaign at the exact same time Atta and his cadre left Hamburg and moved to Florida. Instead of wandering into his flight school, as Dekkers’ has attested, Atta may have been recruited--by Dekkers.

The New York Times neglects to mention it.

Dekkers went on television after the disaster insisting the terrorist pilots had had only the most fleeting of associations with his flight school.

ITEM: When houses were raided in South Florida, two men caught said they were Saudi pilots on a 15-month pilot's course at Dekkers’ Huffman Aviation.

ITEM: The FBI was swarming Huffman Aviation by 2 a.m., just 18 hours following the attack. They removed student files from two schools at the Venice airport: Huffman Aviation and the Florida Flight Training Center just down the street.

"The FBI Knew Terrorists Were Using Flight Schools," reported the Washington Post a week later. They said Federal authorities have been aware for years that suspected terrorists with ties to Osama bin Laden were receiving flight training at schools in the United States.

ITEM: Whatever the big secret is, they know about it at the FBI, even if mum’s the word.

ITEM: Dekkers and Kruithof are both Dutch nationals. They bought their supposedly competing flights schools within months of each other two years ago.

The New York Times neglects to mention it.

In all, 27 terrorists were trained to fly, the LA Times said. Rudi Dekker’s flight schools (he has another down the road in Naples) were training four hundred foreign national...a year. ITEM: A Dekkers employee named Charlie Voss housed the two ringleaders of the cell when they arrived in this country. Voss was described in press reports variously as an "ex-aviation worker, a "company clerk," or a" bookkeeper." ITEM: Nobody described Voss as an "ex-C130 pilot," although that would have been accurate too.

(excerpted)(and it gets crazy.)

229 posted on 01/31/2003 2:07:08 AM PST by txhurl
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To: txflake
Good God the world is getting small.

Just so. But the activities of terrorists from the Moluccan community in Holland, particularly those from a North Moluccan Muslim background, have been under scrutiny since at least 1977, since the Du Punt train hijacking of that year.

-archy-/-

231 posted on 01/31/2003 7:17:55 AM PST by archy (Remember that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both a cannibal and a vampire.)
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