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Does the Mexican ID Card Threaten Homeland Security?
www.insightmag.com ^ | Jan. 20, 2003 | Bobby Eberle

Posted on 01/21/2003 3:14:07 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe

Just when you thought we were making strides in homeland security comes another frightening reminder of how little seriousness is being placed on monitoring those who enter our borders. Introducing the Howdy Doody ID card -- also known as the Matricula Consular (MC) card.

The MC card is not new, but it's gaining increased recognition as more politicians and citizens recognize how illegal aliens and potential terrorists could use it to gain entry into the United States. The MC card essentially is an identification card issued by Mexican consulates to Mexican nationals. It is not a travel document nor is it a driver's license.

Mexicans who are in the United States legally have no need for an MC card because they already possess appropriate identifying documents such as a passport or green card. It is the illegal aliens who are waiting eagerly for their own MC card. As more businesses and institutions accept the MC card as a valid means of identification, illegal aliens are going to be more likely to use it.

The MC card does not give the bearer any legal status in the United States. It simply is an ID card, and it carries about as much weight as an ID card to the Howdy Doody Fan Club. Perhaps if I put my picture on my Blockbuster card I could get into FBI headquarters.

The federal government currently does not recognize the MC card. However, some local governments have elected to accept the Matricula Consular card as a valid form of identification for the purposes of public employment and school registration. This certainly will lead to problems under the "equal-protection clause" of the U.S. Constitution, which requires that all laws be enforced equally.

According to the Consulate of Mexico in Boston, one of the requirements to get an MC card is to present a valid Mexican birth certificate. Give me $25, and I'll get you a "valid" Mexican birth certificate, too. That and a U.S. mailing address are all that you need. There are no background checks of any kind involved with getting an MC card. Simply supply the appropriate paperwork, and you have your own Howdy Doody ID card.

If businesses accept the MC card over forms of valid identification (identification having more requirements) and it is easy to obtain, then we essentially are granting illegal aliens a "legal" status in the United States by allowing them to conduct transactions, purchase goods or whatever else would take place at the accepting business or institution.

Rather than closing loopholes and cracking down on ways for terrorists to enter the country, we are making it easier through increased acceptance of the MC card. Individuals possessing this card can enter and conduct business in federal buildings. We are rolling out the red carpet and inviting the terrorists in.

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) recently issued a statement praising the fact that individuals who carry the MC card now will have access to the Phillip Burton Federal Building and U.S. Courthouse at 450 Golden Gate Ave. in San Francisco.

These buildings are headquarters for FBI offices and other agencies that are tempting targets for terrorists. In addition, by accepting the MC card, we are sending the wrong message to illegal aliens. As Americans we should welcome immigrants with open arms, and we do -- as long as they enter our country legally. The MC card is but another disincentive to curbing the flood of illegal aliens.

In responding to Pelosi's statements, Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-Colo.), a leading advocate in the fight against illegal immigration, is quoted in the Washington Times as saying, "There is no one in the United States of America that needs a [Mexican-issued] ID card other than someone who is here illegally or someone here who is a felon."

The greater acceptance of the MC card also sends the wrong message to Americans. Are we serious about protecting our borders and fighting the war on terror? Are we serious about cracking down on illegal immigration? Statements by legislators such as Pelosi suggest the opposite.

It's hard enough to fight a war on terror and combat illegal immigration as it is now. Let's not make it any easier.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events
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1 posted on 01/21/2003 3:14:07 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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Interesting.
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3 posted on 01/21/2003 3:16:53 PM PST by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Are Mexican ID's a threat to homeland security? Is snow white?
4 posted on 01/21/2003 3:18:04 PM PST by Commander8
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Maybe someone in the INS has figured that if you give them plenty of leeway (let 'em get their cards) it would be a simple processs - if someone presents a "matricula" card, you say thank you and "matricula" them right back to mexico! nah....someone in the INS would have to care about national security.
5 posted on 01/21/2003 3:22:58 PM PST by steplock
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To: Tailgunner Joe
I demand a Mexican ID card from the American Consulate in lieu of visa requirements for any travel to Mexico. Think the Mex gov will honor it? Why can't I just use my currrent driver license? Hmmmm?
6 posted on 01/21/2003 3:25:42 PM PST by widowithfoursons
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To: Tailgunner Joe
TJoe,

Where can I get a Mexican Birth Certificate? I'd like to not pay taxes too!!

The scary part....

the fact that individuals who carry the MC card now will have access to the Phillip Burton Federal Building and U.S. Courthouse at 450 Golden Gate Ave. in San Francisco....

Not that I can see a downside to those folks being displaced but that if this spreads "before" those buildings are destroyed it could be too late country wide to stop it.
7 posted on 01/21/2003 3:29:13 PM PST by EBUCK (....reloading....praparing to FIRE!!!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
You don't have to be a Mexican citizen to obtain these. You only have to bribe a Mexican official to issue one to you.
8 posted on 01/21/2003 3:30:13 PM PST by Thud
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To: Tailgunner Joe
I like the Mexican people and I generally favor immigration.

However, we have to begin to limit entry to the U.S. to people who have been vetted. Otherwise, we're going to have WMD attacks on the U.S. staged from Mexico and Canada.

Pelosi should know better. Her constituents and her are among the Americans most likely to lose their lives through a terrorist attack. New York, then D.C., with San Francisco very high on the terrorist target list.


9 posted on 01/21/2003 3:44:09 PM PST by Man of the Right
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To: Tailgunner Joe
http://www.azanderson.org/anderson_report_border_issues

Trend rising for Illegal Aliens to be armed

U.S. border: A war zone

Bill would let Illegal Aliens obtain Arizona licenses

End of illegal alien IDs in Arizona?

An excellent description of the "Matricular Consular" scam

Kolbe wants Border Patrol checkpoints relocated every seven days

When you finish reading the articles run to the nearest book store or go to Amazon and order Daniel Pipes " Militant Islam Reaches America".

Folks - We're in a whole lot of trouble right here in River City and the Belt Way elected are mostly "troubled" about the invasion and the taking of U.S. Sovereignty and doing precious little about it because the Bureaucrats are running the asylum and they are more interested in their cushy jobs. We The People are THE line of defense, not Homeland Security, they can't fight their way out of a paper bag because of the Bureaucratic Army in Washington, D.C. and in every town in the United States where half the downtowns are tied to the state and federal tit.

Start with Tom Tancredo, let him hear from you ASAP:
TomTancredo
418 Cannon HOB
Washington, DC 20515

10 posted on 01/21/2003 4:13:01 PM PST by yoe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
But, isn't the mere possession of an MC in the US prima facie evidence that the holder is violating US law? It is proof that the illegal should be apprehended by INS and deported, and made not eligible to legally come to the US. Where are the people authorized and responsible for defending our border a nd preventing terrorists or illegals from entering?
11 posted on 01/21/2003 4:32:41 PM PST by Tacis
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The Mexican government should not have the authority to control our immigration law, they were given no power over this country by our Constitution but they are being allowed to make laws and meddle as they wish.
13 posted on 01/21/2003 4:38:26 PM PST by FITZ
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Rather than closing loopholes and cracking down on ways for terrorists to enter the country, we are making it easier through increased acceptance of the MC card.

After 9/11 the lesson should have been learned, but it obviously hasn't been. Not until another disaster strikes by illegal aliens taking advantage of us will something be done to stop these scam cards. Homeland insecurity is the only way to describe them.

14 posted on 01/21/2003 4:40:36 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: steplock
I care about national security and I work for the INS. In the six years I've been in nobody has been stupid enough to hand me a matricula consular.
15 posted on 01/21/2003 4:42:29 PM PST by Ajnin
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To: Tacis
Where are the people authorized and responsible for defending our border a nd preventing terrorists or illegals from entering?

The people that are authorized and responsible for securing our border are restricted from doing so.

16 posted on 01/21/2003 4:49:15 PM PST by Ajnin
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To: Man of the Right
Pelosi should know better.

Yeah, but she doesn't appear to know better or care.

Her constituents and her are among the Americans most likely to lose their lives through a terrorist attack.

Her first priority is election. As long as an attack in her neighborhood seems unlikely or far away, she'll play the minority cause cards in her hand, of which immigration is one.
17 posted on 01/21/2003 5:11:03 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Sadly, with the Hispanic vote being viewed as "in-play", you'll be hard pressed to find any politician who will speak out against this travesty.


18 posted on 01/21/2003 5:29:59 PM PST by Fixit (It's all about the votes.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Yes, the ID does.
19 posted on 01/21/2003 5:31:37 PM PST by PatrioticAmerican (Let's all pay our fair share...make the poor pay taxes! They pay nothing!)
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To: SickOfItAll
"We have no d@mn homeland security, what a joke."

Actually, yours is the most correct answer of all.
20 posted on 01/21/2003 5:32:50 PM PST by PatrioticAmerican (Let's all pay our fair share...make the poor pay taxes! They pay nothing!)
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To: Commander8
Snow is white until my dog goes outside!! LOL
21 posted on 01/21/2003 5:58:57 PM PST by Arpege92
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To: Tacis
But, isn't the mere possession of an MC in the US prima facie evidence that the holder is violating US law? It is proof that the illegal should be apprehended by INS and deported, and made not eligible to legally come to the US. Where are the people authorized and responsible for defending our border a nd preventing terrorists or illegals from entering?

Not only that, but the law enforcement officer could probe just a little deeper and find that the person is an identity thief. After all, they only get a matricula if they reside here. If they reside here, how are they making ends meet? Whether by welfare or work, they'll be using fake docs to make it happen.

24 posted on 01/21/2003 9:59:47 PM PST by Pa' fuera
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To: Ajnin
I care about national security and I work for the INS. In the six years I've been in nobody has been stupid enough to hand me a matricula consular.

Recently, some idiot who works at a Mexican consulate in the US was saying in the press that the matricula will help people leave and re-enter the US. I hope this misinformation gets around and that illegals start trying to use it to cross through the POEs. Would they get the 5 or 10-year ban with a stunt like that?

25 posted on 01/21/2003 10:07:35 PM PST by Pa' fuera
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To: Commander8
Are Mexican ID's a threat to homeland security? Is snow white?

What you need to ask yourself is, are all Mexican ILLEGAL ALIENS born in Mexico?

No.

Believe it or not, the INS has apprehended Mexican citizen ILLEGAL ALIENS born in countries like Iraq and Iran, sneaking across the border into the US.

Just like the US, Mexico has a diverse population, and some of them would love to see America's downfall or even help it along.

So yes, these cards are a National Security threat.

26 posted on 01/21/2003 11:49:07 PM PST by Marine Inspector
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To: Ajnin
In the six years I've been in nobody has been stupid enough to hand me a matricula consular.

The idiots give them to us. It's hard not to laugh when they do.

Although it is happening less this year. Maybe they are getting smart.

27 posted on 01/21/2003 11:51:39 PM PST by Marine Inspector
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To: Pa' fuera
I hope this misinformation gets around and that illegals start trying to use it to cross through the POEs. Would they get the 5 or 10-year ban with a stunt like that?

It would be 1 or 5 years if they were stupid enough to try.

For such a stupid act, it should be life.

When do get them to show us their cards at the POE's sometimes or we find them during a search.

28 posted on 01/21/2003 11:54:42 PM PST by Marine Inspector
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To: Marine Inspector
LOL, I have to admit I'm surprised they have not tried to give them to us.
29 posted on 01/22/2003 1:39:31 AM PST by Ajnin
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To: Pa' fuera
They can't be deported merely for displaying a matricula consular ID. Unless the illegal alien meets certain criteria set forth by the US Attorney, they don't get deported and they are not prosecuted. For now I'm not going to state what those guidelines are, but I can tell you we have let people go that have served jail time for kidnapping, child molestation, spousal abuse, car jacking and many other violent crimes.
30 posted on 01/22/2003 2:15:30 AM PST by Ajnin
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To: Ajnin
LOL, I have to admit I'm surprised they have not tried to give them to us.

perhaps the INS should announce that it also accepts the matricula as valid ID. Then the Mexicans could just turn themselves in instead of INS having to go looking for them.

31 posted on 01/22/2003 9:30:54 AM PST by Pa' fuera
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To: SickOfItAll
We have no d@mn homeland security, what a joke. We leave our borders wide open and chase ragheads around in the mountains 8 thousand miles away, wake up, people.

While millions from God knows where, defacate on our laws our borders and our sovereignty......While our so-called leaders stand in stone silence..

33 posted on 01/22/2003 9:23:52 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Defecate too.......
34 posted on 01/22/2003 9:24:56 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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