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(Arizona) State Senate kills bill to train Guard troops near U.S.-Mex. border The
Tucson Citizen ^ | Jan 22, 2003 | AP

Posted on 01/22/2003 9:37:47 AM PST by JackelopeBreeder

Edited on 05/07/2004 5:37:48 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

PHOENIX - An Arizona Senate committee rejected a proposal yesterday to require at least half of Arizona's Army National Guard troops to train within 20 miles of the border. It was defeated 8-1 after state commander Maj. Gen. David Rataczak testified that protecting the border is a federal issue that's not the responsibility of Arizona's National Guard.


(Excerpt) Read more at tucsoncitizen.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: border; braindead; illegalimmigration; politicians
The best comments I could make are all extremely obscene. The politicians will continue to dither.

Emilia Banuelos, a Phoenix immigration attorney, urged members of the Senate Government Committee to kill Harper's bill because it would send a negative message to Mexicans who enter Arizona legally.

It would send an even more negative message to those who enter illegally.

1 posted on 01/22/2003 9:37:48 AM PST by JackelopeBreeder
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2 posted on 01/22/2003 9:39:43 AM PST by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: JackelopeBreeder
Sorry to say I went to school with Jay Tibshraeny's sister. It may NOT be a "state job," but sooner or later someone must deal with it: why not be PRO-ACTIVE, and make a case for "states' rights" by taking state action?
3 posted on 01/22/2003 9:45:20 AM PST by LS
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To: JackelopeBreeder
"I think we have more important things to do nationally and internationally than to be doing these kinds of things now," said Sen. Jay Tibshraeny, the Chandler Republican who chairs the committee.

What is more important than securing our boarders? Sen Jay Tibshraeny is an idiot and I intend to tell him so. I think all Arizonans should flood these idiots' emails and phone lines with calls. I live in Arizona and I'm tired of people flooding over our boarder do take advantage of our system or to do us harm. All Americans should be outraged by the stupidity of some of our elected officials.


4 posted on 01/22/2003 9:50:01 AM PST by BMC1
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To: JackelopeBreeder
Sounds like Arizona will soon be annexed to Mehico.

Hey, what the heck, the voters get the kind of government they deserve.

5 posted on 01/22/2003 9:50:34 AM PST by G.Mason (Nah...No sense voting...My vote doesn't count)
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To: G.Mason
We really DON'T have any representation in Cochise County. We got gerrymandered apart for the convenience of the two parties. My part got tossed into a district with Tucson, 70 miles away. The rest of the county is part of a district made up of bits and pieces of land all over the state -- some of it over 200 miles away.

Our two Congressmen for the border counties are both from Tucson. They know they can ignore us without it affecting their vote tallies in any meaningful way.
6 posted on 01/22/2003 10:02:43 AM PST by JackelopeBreeder ("Push to test." <click> "Release to detonate.")
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To: madfly
fyi
7 posted on 01/22/2003 10:07:17 AM PST by Free the USA (Stooge for the Rich)
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To: JackelopeBreeder
"We really DON'T have any representation in Cochise County....."

Seems like it would affect the entire State.

Where are the rest of the voters, or don't they care?

8 posted on 01/22/2003 10:18:01 AM PST by G.Mason (Nah...No sense voting...My vote doesn't count)
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To: G.Mason
It does affect the rest of the state and the nation. However, it is usually so incremental for them that they don't notice.

Most of the millions coming over the Arizona border are intent only on hitting I-8 and I-10 and dispersing throughout the country.
9 posted on 01/22/2003 10:32:47 AM PST by JackelopeBreeder ("Push to test." <click> "Release to detonate.")
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Gee, don't bank robberies, for example, fall under federal jurisdiction too? Does that mean no local or state officials will prevent, stop, or investigate them now, too?
10 posted on 01/22/2003 10:40:25 AM PST by DK Zimmerman
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To: Support Free Republic
Sen. Harper's proposal wouldn't have made a bit of difference on illegal immigration. I'm in the AZNG and
we train near the border all the time ( my platoons in Douglas). Our being there doesn't deter illegals, except when they know we're on orders to support Customs/Border Patrol.
11 posted on 01/22/2003 11:21:01 AM PST by redhawk
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To: BMC1
SB1014 ____Bill Overview
national guard training; location
(Harper, Pearce, Pierce, et al)
Tues. 1/21/03

AZ Legislators Roster - email, phone & fax numbers

Toni Hellon(R) thellon@azleg.state.az.us (phone #) (602)542-4326 (Fax #) (602)417-3259
Ken Cheuvront (D) kcheuvro@azleg.state.az.us (phone and fax numbers at the link above)
Jay Tibshraeny (R) jtibshra@azleg.state.az.us
Jack C. Jackson Sr.(R) jjackson@azleg.state.az.us
Jim Waring (R) jwaring@azleg.state.az.us
Jorge Luis Garcia (D) jgarcia@azleg.state.az.us
Slade Mead (R) smead@azleg.state.az.us
Jack W. Harper (R) jharper@azleg.state.az.us (only YES vote)
Harry E. Mitchell (D) hmitchel@azleg.state.az.us

12 posted on 01/22/2003 12:40:16 PM PST by madfly
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To: B4Ranch; FITZ; Tancredo Fan; Fish out of Water; Ajnin; agitator; Tancred; backhoe; ...
ping
13 posted on 01/22/2003 12:43:46 PM PST by madfly
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To: JackelopeBreeder
"It's not our job," Rataczak said.

Coward.

14 posted on 01/22/2003 12:58:25 PM PST by Carry_Okie (Because there are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: madfly
"There's more speculation that there are Middle Eastern terrorists coming across our border," said Harper, a former guardsman.

Dont tell Tom Ridge HE thinks the Candian border is the threat with all the Canadians coming across in mass

I can only conclude that the government WANTS another 9/11 it makes us feel like victims and allows them to take away our constitutional right to privacy...

15 posted on 01/22/2003 1:13:58 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: madfly
Where's the "great" Bill O'Reilly on this one? Where's his (and FOX's)'righteous anger' that they exhibit for many other less relevant issues? Why doesn't FOX, who likes to make us believe they're interested in fair and balanced reporting, hammer away on this??

People ARE trying to do something about this, but business and gov't "leaders" are preventing any meaningful action. Time is short and so the situation needs maximum exposure that only FOX can provide. Why does FOX continue to wimp out?

16 posted on 01/22/2003 1:47:58 PM PST by Paulie
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To: Paulie
O'Reilly has been out front and center on this issue lately. Guess you missed it. However, I do agree with your sentiment. He is about the only commentator who has even addressed the issue.
17 posted on 01/22/2003 2:39:56 PM PST by GaConfed
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To: JackelopeBreeder; BMC1; G.Mason; redhawk; Carry_Okie; RnMomof7; FITZ; Marine Inspector; Ajnin
http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2003/01/20/daily34.html

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 ¦ State of Arizona                                              ¦
 ¦ House of Representatives                                      ¦
 ¦ Forty-sixth Legislature                                       ¦
 ¦ First Regular Session                                         ¦
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 ¦ Representatives Graf, Pearce, Barnes: Hart, Konopnicki, Nichols ¦
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AN ACT

AMENDING TITLE 26, CHAPTER 1, ARTICLE 3, ARIZONA REVISED STATUTES, BY ADDING SECTION 26-183; RELATING TO THE NATIONAL GUARD.

(TEXT OF BILL BEGINS ON NEXT PAGE)

Be it enacted by the Legislature of the State of Arizona:

Section 1. Title 26, chapter 1, article 3, Arizona Revised Statutes, is amended by adding section 26-183, to read:

26-183. National guard border control; mobilization; activities

A. THE GOVERNOR MAY MOBILIZE THE NATIONAL GUARD OF THIS STATE TO ENGAGE IN ACTIVITIES RELATING TO CONTROL OF THE SOUTHERN BORDER OF THIS STATE.

B. ON MOBILIZATION, THE NATIONAL GUARD OF THIS STATE MAY ENTER INTO MUTUAL ASSISTANCE AND SUPPORT AGREEMENTS PERTAINING TO BORDER CONTROL ACTIVITIES WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES AND THE BORDER PATROL OPERATING IN THIS STATE.

____________________________________________________

From "The Business Journal" Arizona Edition, Wed. Jan. 22, 2003.

http://www.azleg.state.az.us/legtext/46leg/1r/bills/hb2317p.htm

13:59 EST Wednesday 

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Arizona leaders urge military border presence

Mike Sunnucks   The Business Journal

A group of Arizona Republican state lawmakers wants the U.S. military to help patrol the Mexican border.

GOP legislators have introduced a resolution in the Arizona House of Representatives calling for the U.S. Congress and the Bush administration to allow greater military involvement in securing the southwestern border.

The resolution is sponsored by eight Republicans, including State Reps. Randy Graf, Andy Biggs, Mark Thompson, Russell Pearce and House Majority Leader Eddie Farnsworth.

With security tightened in California and Texas since the 2001 terrorist strikes, Arizona's rural border region has become a major entry point for illegal immigrants. The influx is straining local communities forced to cope with increased crime and drug trafficking and swamped hospital emergency rooms.

Federal law mandates hospitals provide emergency care to illegal immigrants, who are in many cases indigent.

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If passed the resolution's recommendations would be forwarded to Congressional leaders and the state's delegation on Capitol Hill.

The resolution is one of several actions being considered by the State Legislature to better control and regulate immigration.

At the federal level, Congress will consider a guest worker program for Mexicans working in the U.S. Congressman Jeff Flake has a proposal on the table and U.S. Sen. John McCain is also interested in the idea.



18 posted on 01/22/2003 2:58:57 PM PST by madfly
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To: JackelopeBreeder
bttt
19 posted on 01/22/2003 3:01:06 PM PST by madfly
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To: JackelopeBreeder
Sooner or later, theres going to be a big incident somewhere along the border with Mexico and fingers will be pointed in all directions.

Check this link out I found on the Stein Report.

http://santafenewmexican.com/site/news.cfm?BRD=2144&dept_id=461625&newsid=6740452&PAG=461&rfi=9

The border with Mexico needs to be defended at all cost.
20 posted on 01/22/2003 4:42:44 PM PST by Missouri
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To: Stoner; madfly
So Major General David RatTrap doesn't think it's his job to protect the border? Since when does a general tell the state legislature what bills they should pass? When was he elected?
22 posted on 01/22/2003 5:25:42 PM PST by holyscroller (Why are Liberal female media types always ugly to boot?)
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To: GaConfed
"O'Reilly has been out front and center on this issue lately. Guess you missed it."

Yes, I have missed it. My apologies to Mr. O'Reilly if he's been involved in this issue. But I can't understand why this border issue can't seem to gain currency. Especially these days, I would think there would be a massive uprising to all this. I'm assuming the masses don't know because nobody's really reporting it. I can't believe the public at large doesn't care - maybe everyone simply feels powerless so they don't even try to petition their government.

23 posted on 01/23/2003 6:33:53 AM PST by Paulie
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To: Paulie
I'm assuming the masses don't know because nobody's really reporting it. I can't believe the public at large doesn't care - maybe everyone simply feels powerless so they don't even try to petition their government.

The sector of the masses that would really care about this are too busy working all the time trying to provide the essentials of life for themselves and their families to avail themselves to the facts surrounding this issue, or any other. Those that have the time to think about and get involved with these things are only into personal instant gratification. This state of affairs is just fine and dandy with the elites who run the country. In fact, it's part of their plan to destroy America as we know it.

24 posted on 01/23/2003 3:05:13 PM PST by GaConfed
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To: JackelopeBreeder
"It's not our job," Rataczak said.

Unfortunately, the head of the federal government, our President, doesn't think it's his job either.

25 posted on 01/23/2003 4:30:03 PM PST by janetgreen
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