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Senators: Bush Needs to Do More on Iraq (closed door session)
abc ^ | 1/23/03

Posted on 01/23/2003 6:19:34 PM PST by knak

Senators said Thursday the Bush administration needs to convince the American people and U.S. allies that war may be needed against Iraq.

More than 50 senators received a closed-door briefing on Iraq from Secretary of State Colin Powell and Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld.

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist said the secretaries weren't notifying Congress of a decision to use military force in Iraq. The administration said that has not been determined.

Sen. Kent Conrad, D-N.D., said Rumsfeld and Powell laid out a stronger case than the administration had before about why force might be needed to stop Saddam. But he said the information would not be strong enough to persuade reluctant allies, like France and did not convince him that the United States should act against Iraq without more support.

"It would seem to me to be by far the better part of wisdom to have an aggressive inspections regime buttressed by our intelligence, so that we are providing them cues on where to go," he said.

The top Democrat on the Senate Armed Services Committee, Carl Levin of Michigan, said the United States has just begun to share information with the U.N. inspectors. "And my view is that there is a significant way to go before we share the information," he said.

Rumsfeld told reporters as he left the Capitol "the inspectors are being provided with an enormous amount of information already."

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said he agrees with President Bush's handling of Iraq, but believes the president needs to explain to the American people "why we as Americans should shoulder the burden the money burden, the human sacrifice."

Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., said she was concerned about opposition from U.S. allies. "I think it would be very difficult for us to pursue this without military and monetary support," she said.

The chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, Sen. Richard Lugar, R-Ind., said Powell will continue working with France and other countries on the U.N. Security Council after Monday's report by chief weapons inspector Hans Blix.


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1 posted on 01/23/2003 6:19:34 PM PST by knak
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To: knak
Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., said she was concerned about opposition from U.S. allies. "I think it would be very difficult for us to pursue this without military and monetary support," she said.

I wonder if Mdm. Murray also took Secretary Rumsfeld to task for targetting the builder of hospitals and daycare centers Osama bin laden.

2 posted on 01/23/2003 6:22:57 PM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: knak
He's getting ready to do a lot more, in fact, far more than the dems want him to.
3 posted on 01/23/2003 6:23:22 PM PST by Brett66
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To: knak
Wonder if Leaky and the Beast are included.

If so we can consider the info to be on a straight line course to Saddam.

Probably via his personal courier Ritter.

4 posted on 01/23/2003 6:24:54 PM PST by evad
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To: knak
"Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., said she was concerned about opposition from U.S. allies."

WHO GIVES A SH*T !?!?!?!
5 posted on 01/23/2003 6:26:52 PM PST by Chi-townChief
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To: evad
...Im sure it was already Faxed to Iraq...

FREE SNUGGLES

6 posted on 01/23/2003 6:28:37 PM PST by mystery-ak ("Rich matrons pay well to be pleasured by the bravest champions")
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To: knak
I am MOST surprised that this first article about the meeting didn't inclue a comment from Sen. Daschle. He is REALLY slipping.
7 posted on 01/23/2003 6:29:19 PM PST by justshe (d)
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To: Brett66
Democrat and Pubbie weenie alert. The President cannot make this kind of pitch to the American public without sacrificing key intel sources. I have a feeling that for the first time in a long time the US has intel in Iraq. Too much talk gets these folks killed.

It is shameless that the Dems are using this reality to set the bar at a height that cannot be reached at this time.

8 posted on 01/23/2003 6:29:26 PM PST by gov_bean_ counter
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To: knak
who was not there...
9 posted on 01/23/2003 6:32:18 PM PST by Bill Davis FR
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To: Bill Davis FR
That would be interesting to know.
10 posted on 01/23/2003 6:33:39 PM PST by knak ("The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.")
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To: Dog
Thought you'd be interested in this; confirms what you heard earlier on MSNBC.
11 posted on 01/23/2003 6:34:41 PM PST by Peach
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To: Bill Davis FR
I would be interested it knowing what Senators were at that meeting also. It hard for me to beleive that only 50+- Senators showed up for ths closed door meeting.
12 posted on 01/23/2003 6:37:26 PM PST by Irish Eyes
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To: knak
"It would seem to me to be by far the better part of wisdom to have an aggressive inspections regime buttressed by our intelligence

The only thing that fits that description with regard to Iraq is an invasion.

13 posted on 01/23/2003 6:40:47 PM PST by StriperSniper (Start heating the TAR, I'll go get the FEATHERS.)
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To: knak
"Senators said Thursday the Bush administration needs to convince the American people and U.S. allies that war may be needed against Iraq."

IMHO, President Bush will do more than convince the American people the war MAY be needed against Iraq.

The President will explain why this war with Iraq IS necessary ...Stay tuned for the State of the Union Address.

As for convincing our "allies" ~ ~ well, if a (European) nation is not on-board now; I doubt they're our "ally"--so if they choke on our dust -- who cares?

14 posted on 01/23/2003 6:43:20 PM PST by Right_in_Virginia
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To: gov_bean_ counter
I would like to point out that in another story, my senator, Lugar, said that the President was following the exact right course on Iraq.

This story gives him a non-committal coment and groups him with the whiners, which is very misleading.

15 posted on 01/23/2003 6:43:39 PM PST by Miss Marple
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To: gov_bean_ counter
Too much talk gets these folks killed.

Precisely. Then who would want to gather intelligence for us despite the potential pay-out? These Dems are so short-sighted it simply boggles the mind.


16 posted on 01/23/2003 6:55:14 PM PST by prairiebreeze
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To: Miss Marple
These comments from Republicans don't match what I heard from Sen Frist as well -- he said a lot more than that. I think we have more of the same press spin slanted towards the RATs we see day in and day out.
17 posted on 01/23/2003 7:00:00 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Bush/Cheney 2004)
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To: prairiebreeze
These Dems are so short-sighted it simply boggles the mind.

I think it is more sinister than that. These folks have an agenda that puts the security of this nation at best second.

18 posted on 01/23/2003 7:00:56 PM PST by gov_bean_ counter
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To: knak
Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., said she was concerned about opposition from U.S. allies. "I think it would be very difficult for us to pursue this without military and monetary support," she said.

The woman who wants us to build day care centers for the world is worried about spending now.

19 posted on 01/23/2003 7:03:18 PM PST by denydenydeny
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To: Right_in_Virginia
Stay tuned for the State of the Union Address.

Getting that Ground Hog Day feeling yet? We went through all this six months ago, with the preamble to Bush's UN address. This cycle will recur at least one more time -- but more likely several more times -- before we finally do go to war with Iraq, which will probably be about six months before the next presidential election.

20 posted on 01/23/2003 7:04:15 PM PST by The Great Satan
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To: gov_bean_ counter
" These Dems are so short-sighted it simply boggles the mind.

I think it is more sinister than that. These folks have an agenda that puts the security of this nation at best second."

Truer words were never said.When they pray,it's for another 9/11.


21 posted on 01/23/2003 7:07:11 PM PST by Wild Irish Rogue ( I loathe the Democrats)
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To: The Great Satan
"...before we finally do go to war with Iraq, which will probably be about six months before the next presidential election. "

Want to bet?

22 posted on 01/23/2003 7:13:33 PM PST by MonroeDNA (What's the frequency, Kenneth?)
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To: Miss Marple
I wonder if any senators came out of this meeting with something positive to say? Or if anyone who had doubts changed their minds?
23 posted on 01/23/2003 7:16:31 PM PST by knak ("The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.")
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To: MonroeDNA
Sure, you post your prediction and we'll see who comes closer. Bookmark this thread.
24 posted on 01/23/2003 7:20:21 PM PST by The Great Satan
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To: knak
These are perilous times indeed...these rifts are multiplying...our soldiers cannot summer over in the Middle East...

That is the card the Dems are going to work, they will leverage that fact for political gain...

25 posted on 01/23/2003 7:23:01 PM PST by antaresequity
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To: knak
You heard it here first:

Bush will be forced to sell short his agenda, appease liberals, to buy their support on the commitment to action we have postured ourselves to...

He [Bush] will barter somthing away because otherwise we are screwed royally.

I can't believe his team didn't see this coming...

Some serious political capital is gonna be pissed down the RAT hole...

26 posted on 01/23/2003 7:26:10 PM PST by antaresequity
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To: antaresequity

Bush doesn't need to appease anybody.

Once the cocked pistol is fired, the rest is action. Then the blood is up, and everyone wants the team to come out victorious.

No matter what Carl Levin says.

Bush knows this. He's just letting everyone show their hands before he slams down the full house, Aces high.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

27 posted on 01/23/2003 7:30:41 PM PST by section9 (John Edwards: The Other Empty Suit....)
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To: The Great Satan
"Sure, you post your prediction and we'll see who comes closer. Bookmark this thread."

Cool.

You posted, "...before we finally do go to war with Iraq, which will probably be about six months before the next presidential election. "

I predict we'll invade Iraq within a year from today. I'll bet you a dollar, mailed with a signed letter saying, "you were right, and I am a fool for questioning your superior wisdom."

FR posting rights are assumed. In other words, whoever wins, the other can post the bet, and the contents of the letter.

Do we have a bet? Or are you going to weasel out of your "six months before the election" prediction?

Closets one wins, as per you.

28 posted on 01/23/2003 7:31:57 PM PST by MonroeDNA (What's the frequency, Kenneth?)
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To: antaresequity
"You heard it here first: Bush will be forced to sell short his agenda, appease liberals, to buy their support on the commitment to action we have postured ourselves..."

Want in on the bet?

29 posted on 01/23/2003 7:34:09 PM PST by MonroeDNA (What's the frequency, Kenneth?)
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To: The Great Satan
This cycle will recur at least one more time -- but more likely several more times -- before we finally do go to war with Iraq, which will probably be about six months before the next presidential election.

Actually, no. While a standdown now would indeed push the next likely window of attack a year or two out, that is exactly why it won't happen. The administration knows it will go in the next month or two, or it won't go.

30 posted on 01/23/2003 7:35:55 PM PST by jlogajan
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To: section9
He's just letting everyone show their hands before he slams down the full house, Aces high.

My thoughts exactly. He has bought the time needed by the military to mobilize. In the process he has managed to get Dems and Republicans on the record regarding the proper course of action given the known information. In general the Republicans have agreed and Dems have kept saying, "We need more, we need more", knowing full well that the case has been made. The Dems are banking on the American people never seeing the info they were shown.

In due time, the entire story will be told. The Dems will have to answer for a lot.

31 posted on 01/23/2003 7:37:19 PM PST by gov_bean_ counter
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To: antaresequity
Bush will be forced to sell short his agenda, appease liberals, to buy their support on the commitment to action we have postured ourselves to...

He's already got Congressional authorization to go. He needs merely to inform them of the progress of the war. He is unlikely to even tell them the date of the attack. He's already got the go code.

32 posted on 01/23/2003 7:37:37 PM PST by jlogajan
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To: antaresequity; The Great Satan
Ping! Hello?

Can't wait to hear the weaseling...

Gonna take the bet?
33 posted on 01/23/2003 7:41:16 PM PST by MonroeDNA (What's the frequency, Kenneth?)
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To: Wild Irish Rogue
I think it is more sinister than that.

I believe you are right. In those blackest of foul hearts that inform their souls they secretly desire a military debacle, tens of thousands dead, bodies they can stand on and preach, "See we opposed this war; Bush ignored us and killed your sons. You cannot undo these deaths, but you can do something good. You can give us power."

When Hillary dreams, it is of blood and power.

34 posted on 01/23/2003 7:45:11 PM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: section9
Your nuts if you think Bush or anyone else opperates in a political vaccuum. The Dems are gonna squeeze his nuts...because they know that our troops cant summer over.

All the comments right now from both sides are posture. Back room deals are getting cut as we post. Those deals will manifest themselves in how fervently Bush moves our agenda forward, as well as how stalwart his defense is in repealing attacks...on that agenda..

Don't at all be surprised if you find yourself surprised with the Administrations pursuit or defense of issues counter to what Dems love to whore out.

Deals are getting cut daily in Washington. There is a Lions share of political capital on the table right now!

To think otherwise is naive.

Commitments to War are Political EarthQuakes...

35 posted on 01/23/2003 7:45:16 PM PST by antaresequity
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To: MonroeDNA
ping #35
36 posted on 01/23/2003 7:47:27 PM PST by antaresequity
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To: antaresequity
So you want in on the bet, or not? Cat got your tongue?
37 posted on 01/23/2003 7:48:44 PM PST by MonroeDNA (What's the frequency, Kenneth?)
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To: The Great Satan
"Sure, you post your prediction and we'll see who comes closer. Bookmark this thread."

Bookmarking.

38 posted on 01/23/2003 7:50:54 PM PST by MonroeDNA (What's the frequency, Kenneth?)
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To: MonroeDNA
Oh...Bush will light the fire on the New Moon...

My point is that: Its gonna cost politcally on the domestic and economic agenda. No doubt we are going. The decision has already been made. It has been made such that we are in Baghdad by the end of February.

But watch the softness from the Administration on domestic policy agenda issues in the future.

Those deals are being made right now.

39 posted on 01/23/2003 7:53:35 PM PST by antaresequity
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To: antaresequity
Ping #29.
40 posted on 01/23/2003 7:53:42 PM PST by MonroeDNA (What's the frequency, Kenneth?)
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To: MonroeDNA
What bet?
41 posted on 01/23/2003 7:56:52 PM PST by antaresequity
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To: antaresequity
Color me naive, but I think that invading Iraq (which is comig soon to a theater near you) will boost Dubya, and Frist.

The dems will find themselves in even more of a weak position than they already are in. They will be the ones trying to make deals.
42 posted on 01/23/2003 7:58:04 PM PST by MonroeDNA (What's the frequency, Kenneth?)
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To: MonroeDNA
Please...the Dems are not sitting back waiting to see if we go to war...they know we are...right now...today is when they make there move...

I hate the scum rats as much as the next guy...but they are not totally stupid.

They will leverage their postion.

Wouldn't you?

43 posted on 01/23/2003 8:01:14 PM PST by antaresequity
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To: MonroeDNA
I see you are here, and posting to other threads.

So will you put your money where your mouth is? Or are you avoiding the bet?
44 posted on 01/23/2003 8:02:37 PM PST by MonroeDNA (What's the frequency, Kenneth?)
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To: Irish Eyes
only 50+- Senators showed up for ths closed door meeting.

I hadn't heard this! How the heck can they complain that Bush hasn't kept them informed if they don't go to the briefings? I would love a list of who attended and who refused.
45 posted on 01/23/2003 8:08:24 PM PST by gitmo ("The course of this conflict is not known, yet its outcome is certain." GWB)
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To: MonroeDNA
I predict we'll invade Iraq within a year from today.

No, you post a date, and we'll see who gets closer. I said six months before the next presidential, so May 2004. You specify the month you predict we're going in.

46 posted on 01/23/2003 8:12:44 PM PST by The Great Satan
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To: antaresequity
My point is that: Its gonna cost politcally on the domestic and economic agenda.

A succesful Iraq campaign will boost Bush's political clout, and further his domestic and economic agenda.

No doubt we are going. The decision has already been made. It has been made such that we are in Baghdad by the end of February.

I'll bet Iraq is crawling with Special Ops guys.
47 posted on 01/23/2003 8:15:20 PM PST by gitmo ("The course of this conflict is not known, yet its outcome is certain." GWB)
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To: The Great Satan
So you agree to the terms of the bet?

Yes, I will post a month, and actually a date.
48 posted on 01/23/2003 8:17:15 PM PST by MonroeDNA (What's the frequency, Kenneth?)
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To: antaresequity
"Deals are getting cut daily in Washington. There is a Lions share of political capital on the table right now!

To think otherwise is naive.

I'm with section 9 on this one. The dims are the ones that are naive. They only have a draw to an inside straight and Bush is holding an ace high full house. Time and time again Bush has proven his mettle and you sir have wobbly legs.
49 posted on 01/23/2003 8:17:27 PM PST by woodyinscc
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To: antaresequity

Bollocks.

Of course Bush doesn't operate in a political vacuum, but if we win this war going away, where is his incentive to cave?

Be Seeing You,

Chris

50 posted on 01/23/2003 8:18:15 PM PST by section9 (John Edwards: The Other Empty Suit....)
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