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The state of the borders 2003 (Michelle Malkin)
Townhall.com ^ | January 24th, 2003 | Michelle Malkin

Posted on 01/23/2003 10:51:06 PM PST by Sabertooth

Michelle Malkin (archive)

January 24, 2003

The state of the borders 2003

Prediction: On one of the most pressing homeland security issues facing the nation, President Bush will have nothing -- nada -- to say during his State of the Union address.

I am talking, of course, about the state of our borders.

The Bush White House remains shamefully silent about the brutal murder of U.S. Park Ranger Kris Eggle. This 28-year-old American was gunned down last summer by an AK-47-toting illegal alien drug smuggler who waltzed across the southern border into Arizona's Organ Pipe National Monument.

According to the Park Service, as many as 1,000 illegal aliens a day trample across the park -- trashing our fences, ruining the environment, breaking our laws and endangering lives. It's a smugglers' paradise and a national security nightmare. "We have caught people from China, Pakistan and Yemen coming through," Bo Stone, an Organ Pipe ranger and close friend of Eggle's, told the Los Angeles Times this week.

"If 1,000 illegal immigrants can walk through the desert here, so can 1,000 terrorists."

Kris's father, Bob, a Vietnam veteran, told me last fall on a trip to Washington, D.C.: "I gave an eye for one war. Now, I've given my son for another. What is our president going to do about the war on our borders?"

Despite recent press coverage from the L.A. Times, Wall Street Journal, National Geographic magazine and Outside magazine, the Eggle family still has received no phone call, no acknowledgement, from the Bush White House in response to their call for border reform and serious enforcement of our laws.

Bob Eggle noted at a press conference in October: "The Mexico-American border is in chaos and is virtually a non-border. I have been involved there as a volunteer for the National Park Service and attempted to repair the border fence, only to have it knocked down again a couple of hours later. That non-border contributed to Kris's death."

The story is the same on the northern border, where just last week two reporters for the Toronto Star illegally crossed a dozen easy entry points between the land boundaries that separate Quebec from Vermont and New York state. Mangled fences and battered stop signs spraypainted with "U.S.A." are all that stand in the way.

"After September 11th, we all need to be concerned about border security and how easy it is to get in this country," Bob Eggle says. "Kris's death needs to bring about reform. We have to make his sacrifice meaningful."

Peter Gadiel, a lifelong Republican from Connecticut, is on a similar crusade to get his president to address illegal immigration as a national security issue. He, too, lost a son because of the government's lax border and entrance enforcement policies. James Gadiel, 23, died in the 2001 attack on the World Trade Center. He was an assistant trader at Cantor Fitzgerald.

"When you have 8 to 11 million illegal immigrants living here in the U.S, it's hard to notice 18 or 20 terrorists," Peter Gadiel argues. It is that ocean of illegals that "allowed the hijackers to plan, rehearse, finance and carry out their mass murders over a long period of time, almost completely free of fear that they would be discovered."

Some 300,000 illegal alien fugitives remain on the loose despite deportation orders. There is still no systematic tracking of criminal alien felons across the country. Sanctuary for illegal aliens remains the policy in almost every major metropolis. Banks and local governments continue to accept sham Mexican ID cards to "regularize" the existence of alien lawbreakers. And "catch and release" remains standard operating procedure for untold thousands of illegal aliens who pass through the fingers of federal immigration authorities every day.

Nevertheless, the Republican Party elites in Washington continue to turn a blind eye. As grass-roots conservative stalwart Phyllis Schlafly has noted, the Republican National Committee's mail-order surveys on important national issues omit immigration and border security. Meanwhile, the White House refuses to meet with the Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus, led by Republican Congressman Tom Tancredo of Colorado.

"The simple truth is that we've lost control of our own borders," Ronald Reagan warned nearly two decades ago, "and no nation can do that and survive." We ignore America's lost sovereignty at our peril.

©2003 Creators Syndicate, Inc.

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The President will say exactly what he intends to do about the borders... not a damned thing.



1 posted on 01/23/2003 10:51:06 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
the Republican Party elites in Washington continue to turn a blind eye. As grass-roots conservative stalwart Phyllis Schlafly has noted, the Republican National Committee's mail-order surveys on important national issues omit immigration and border security. Meanwhile, the White House refuses to meet with the Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus, led by Republican Congressman Tom Tancredo of Colorado.

Why is it necessary for President Bush, before he goes after Iraq, to be such a complicit, Clintonian appeaser when it comes to the sovereignty of our own borders?




2 posted on 01/23/2003 10:56:05 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Victoria Delsoul; Pokey78; JohnHuang2; MeeknMing; rdb3; mhking; BOBTHENAILER; Marine Inspector; ...

    

Michelle
Malkin
Growl!




Post here to the thread if you'd like to be on the Michelle Malkin list.

3 posted on 01/23/2003 10:57:12 PM PST by Sabertooth
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((((((growl)))))



5 posted on 01/23/2003 10:58:48 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: ChiComConservative
What about the Canadian border? There's absolutely nothing up there. No border patrol. Nothing. They'd just switch from coming in from the south to using the north.
6 posted on 01/23/2003 11:00:02 PM PST by cyborg
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To: Sabertooth
Why is it necessary for President Bush, before he goes after Iraq, to be such a complicit, Clintonian appeaser when it comes to the sovereignty of our own borders?

Votes, man, votes.

The democrats have castrated the republicans in this point. Neither party wants to enforce immigration law because they would look like anti-foreigner bigots.

I still say that the non-border is probably the easiest way to smuggle weapons of mass destruction into the USA. I don't know how good the Canadians monitor who is coming into their country, but if its decent, then the southern border would be the easiest way to smuggle in a NUKE.

All a terrorist organization would have to do is have a few terror cells in Guatemala or Mexico, have these advance units secure transportation. When the smuggling unit comes in, off they go in a Ford Explorer, loaded with food, water, and the NUKE, and they cross the porous Mexican border into the US.

7 posted on 01/23/2003 11:25:09 PM PST by Frohickey
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To: Sabertooth
Just scatter "matricula" ID cards along the border.
Then everyone's "documented".
Problem solved.

(What's Arabic for "matricula" ?)

8 posted on 01/23/2003 11:29:48 PM PST by dagnabbit
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To: Sabertooth
" As grass-roots conservative stalwart Phyllis Schlafly has noted, the Republican National Committee's mail-order surveys on important national issues omit immigration and border security."

As a matter of fact I rerceived an RNC survey today. I looked it over then put it aside. After reading this I looked at it once more. Sure enough, nothing about borders or immigration. I can't believe I didn't catch that the first time I persued the survey.
9 posted on 01/23/2003 11:35:56 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead
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To: Sabertooth

10 posted on 01/23/2003 11:45:00 PM PST by dagnabbit
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To: Sabertooth
This is the greatest outrage in American history. Our government refusing to protect us from invasion. It's unheard of in the history of the world.
11 posted on 01/23/2003 11:54:54 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: Sabertooth
A simple shoot to kill policy for anyone sneaking across our borders and the problem is solved in one week. But with a govt that cares more about itself and its own power, nothing will be done. Nothing!
12 posted on 01/24/2003 12:02:32 AM PST by Bullish
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To: Sabertooth
Malkin bump
13 posted on 01/24/2003 12:15:37 AM PST by FITZ
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To: Sabertooth
I can't even stand to hear the sound of Bush's voice. The sense of revulsion I experience is as bad as it ever was when I heard Clinton's voice, maybe worse.

A Republican president and congress and you wouldn't even know. Only the voice changed while everything else stayed the same, or got worse.

14 posted on 01/24/2003 1:00:44 AM PST by 4Freedom (America is no longer the 'Land of Opportunity', it's the 'Land of Illegal Alien Opportunists'!!!)
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To: Sabertooth
Michelle Malkin is debating Ricardo Pimental this weekend in Tempe, Arizona. Here's the scoop:

DATE: Saturday, January 25
TIME: 5:00-6:00 p.m.--Book-signing and Reception.
6:30-8:30--Malkin-Pimental debate.

LOCATION: Steele Auditorium at the Arizona Historical Society Museum (Papago Park):
1300 North College Avenue
Tempe, AZ 85281

MODERATOR: Tentatively U.S. Representative J.D. Hayworth.

Debate topic and question are: "Immigration and National Security in the Post-9/11 Era: Are Open Borders an Invitation to Terrorism?" Yes, Michelle will sign all books purchased for/at this event.

TICKET PRICES:
$15 General Admission
$35 General Admission + one copy of book INVASION
$25 additional copies of INVASION

Tickets/books go on sale January 2: SONORAN NEWS will accept phone orders for credit card sales, with tickets/books available at Will Call table at the Museum starting at 5 p.m. day of debate. For further information, call Kathy at (623) 376-7918. For those who cannot attend, signed copies of INVASION are available from Michelle's web site at www.invasion.us.
15 posted on 01/24/2003 1:10:08 AM PST by Clinton Is Scum
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To: Sabertooth
Correction: The debate moderator will be U.S. Representative John Shadegg.
16 posted on 01/24/2003 1:12:04 AM PST by Clinton Is Scum
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To: Sabertooth
>>Nevertheless, the Republican Party elites in Washington continue to turn a blind eye.

But what's the answer? There are a gazillion miles of border. Has anyone come up with a cost effective, workable solution?

17 posted on 01/24/2003 2:25:13 AM PST by The Raven (Ever hear the left say something optimistic?)
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To: Sabertooth
OK Freepers, it's time to act. I sent this article to my Senate and House representatives along with my DEMAND that they do their job and protect Americans here at home. Then sent to President Bush with same comments AND that Americans were losing faith in him due to his continued avoidance of this serious problem. We need to flood Congress and the White House with demands for action. Let them know what we think. If you say "it won't do any good", I don't agree. We must continue to fight for our security.
18 posted on 01/24/2003 2:27:41 AM PST by Elkiejg
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To: Sabertooth
Immigration Isn't An Issue Says Congressional GOP
"The National Republican Congressional Committee has been advising its candidates NOT to mention border security and immigration issues in their speeches or campaign literature,"

Bush To Push For Amnesty - The Washington Times - November 23, 2002

CIVILIANS PATROLLING THE BORDER

State Department Shreds Millions of Visa Applications

US Has Given 50,00 Visas Since 9-11 To New Visitors From The Middle East

U.S. Encourages Immigration From Terror-Sponsor States

State Department granted visas to 7,000 Illegal Alien men from countries in which al Qaeda is active

Who's watching the White House?

HOW TERRORISTS HAVE INFILTRATED AMERICA

19 posted on 01/24/2003 3:40:54 AM PST by Uncle Bill
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To: 4Freedom
I would have to agree with you. He's a TOTAL sellout. That crap with posing in front of the fake "MADE in USA" signs yesterday pushed me past my limit.

I can handle any truth. I am absolutely repulsed by someone who bullsh!ts me, though.

If protecting ones own borders is NOT priority #1, then the big guy should resign. Pure and simple.

I will not vote for him again, I feel I've been sold down the river.

Whenever I see him on the TV, I grab the remote and change the channel. That's sad, 'cause I thought with the ouster of Klintoon, those days were over (for a while)....I thought wrong, and am extremely disapointed by G2.
20 posted on 01/24/2003 4:47:14 AM PST by taxed2death
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To: The Raven
We are spending $300,000.00 per border outpost (dozens of them) between Trashcanistan and Pakistan right at this moment.

We have the money. George has no balls.

Why not purchase a few dozen Predators with IR sensors and deploy them, along with support crews along our northern and southern borders. It would provide excellent training for these crews as well as being cost effective method of tracking and apprehending illegals.

It's a start. It's much better than doing nothing.
21 posted on 01/24/2003 4:51:42 AM PST by taxed2death
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To: taxed2death
A lot of voters went for Bush, because they believed he was the lesser of two evils.

Even Gore wouldn't have been evil enough to spit in the U.S. Taxpayer's faces like this.

Bush and the Republican National Committee can go to blazes.

22 posted on 01/24/2003 5:02:13 AM PST by 4Freedom (America is no longer the 'Land of Opportunity', it's the 'Land of Illegal Alien Opportunists'!!!)
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To: MissAmericanPie
Our government refusing to protect us from invasion. It's unheard of in the history of the world.

Actually, the Roman Empire wasn't too keen on defending its borders at a certain point in its history either. Of course, the Roman Empire fell shortly after that policy indecision was made.

24 posted on 01/24/2003 6:09:40 AM PST by Jarhead_22
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To: Jarhead_22
chilling point.
25 posted on 01/24/2003 6:21:44 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: All
As grass-roots conservative stalwart Phyllis Schlafly has noted, the Republican National Committee's mail-order surveys on important national issues omit immigration and border security.

Meanwhile, the White House refuses to meet with the Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus, led by Republican Congressman Tom Tancredo of Colorado.


BUMP
26 posted on 01/24/2003 6:33:02 AM PST by TLBSHOW (keeping the republicans feet to the fire?)
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To: 4Freedom
"I can't even stand to hear Bush's voice."

Me, too. Whenever he's on FOX, I hit the remote for QVC or Home Shopping Network. Bush is a traitor who should be jailed for committing treason in this country and putting Mexico's and illegals' interests before his own citizens he swore to defend. Bush is no better than Clinton -- the only difference is that he keeps his zipper up.

What makes it worse is that he prides himself as a God-fearing Christian, who "reads the Bible every night" and considers "Jesus as my role model." Despite all the pain and suffering happening in this country due to his refusal to protect our borders (including our taxes spinning out of control due to all the social services the illegals are sucking up), he only encourages it more because "those folks just want to do the work Americans won't." I only hope for this: Every time a law-abiding innocent American suffers a crime at the hand of an illegal, or has his livelihood stolen from one, I hope Bush answers for it on Judgement Day. Any man who cares more about feeding a stranger than his own hungry child is a worthless, corrupt POS.

Oh, by the way, I was initially a big supporter of his and cheered his election victory. What a betrayal.

27 posted on 01/24/2003 6:53:35 AM PST by hot august night
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To: taxed2death
I also change the remote when I hear Bush's voice. See my post #27.
28 posted on 01/24/2003 6:59:49 AM PST by hot august night
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To: Texas_Jarhead
When I receive one of those Republican surveys, I send it back to them with black marker stating that I wouldn't donate a cent to them again until our Republican President does something to solve the problem of open borders. Not a cent.
29 posted on 01/24/2003 8:19:24 AM PST by janetgreen
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To: Elkiejg
I also sent this article to the President, California's two Senators, and the Representative from my area. Funny, the President's views are the same as the Democrat views when it comes to illegal immigration. How could that be? (sarcasm)
30 posted on 01/24/2003 8:31:08 AM PST by janetgreen
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To: Sabertooth
Thanks for the heads up!
31 posted on 01/24/2003 8:41:41 AM PST by Alamo-Girl (Magnus frater spectat te...)
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To: Sabertooth
Another nail smitten on the head!
32 posted on 01/24/2003 8:53:59 AM PST by Howie (AGAIN!!!!!!!)
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To: Sabertooth
Why is it necessary for President Bush, before he goes after Iraq, to be such a complicit, Clintonian appeaser when it comes to the sovereignty of our own borders?

Unfortunately, the change to Homeland Security appears to be offering little in the way of substance when it comes to border security. I am hoping the administration will rectify this through follow up reorganization.

Here is some history and current DHS info:

The United States Border Patrol currently serves as the uniformed law enforcement arm of the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS). Under the recently established Homeland Security Department, the US Border Patrol will be part of the Directorate of Border and Transportation Security. The US Border Patrol will not function as an independent organization but rather will be subordinate to the Bureau of Border Security, made up of remnants of the former INS including its managers.

The United States Border is the primary interdiction agency between the ports of entry. As such, its operations have been designed to prevent the entry of persons or contraband at other than designated ports of entry and to arrest those who attempt to circumvent the law.

As the policy direction of the INS changed over the years, the Border Patrol simply adjusted to whatever new objective the agency was attempting to achieve. This resulted in "on again off again" initiatives, enforcement and non-enforcement of various statutes which directly effected Border Patrol operations. The policy direction of the INS was often seen by Border Patrol employees as "confusing", as it frequently conflicted with the mission of the Border Patrol as an organization.

The Border Patrols Mission Statement:

The mission of the United States Border Patrol is to secure and protect the external boundaries of the United States to prevent, detect, apprehend, and interdict illegal aliens, smugglers, contraband, and violators of other laws.

As currently outlined in the Homeland Security Bill, the Bureau of Border Enforcement will be comprised of various components of the former INS. They include the following programs, Investigations, Inspections, Detention and Removal, Intelligence and the Border Patrol.

The Bureau of Border Enforcement will start out as a massive agency with a myriad of critical responsibilities. It will be responsible for regulating the entry of aliens, apprehending undocumented and out of status aliens in the interior, enforcing employer sanctions, investigating and prosecuting fraud and detaining and removing immigration violators and securing this Nation's borders.

Whether developing or deploying camera systems, mapping software, interoperable communications or developing training and tactics, the priorities of the Border Patrol and that of the Bureau of Border Security will be by their very nature divergent. The issues important to the Border Patrol are singular with little or no crossover to other Bureau programs and will likely serve as a distraction from the Bureau's critical immigration related mission. As the Border Patrol will have a subordinate role in the Bureau, it is clear that border security will remain just one of many priorities to be balanced against other issues of the day.

As was so graphically illustrated on September 11th, border security can no longer be relegated or regarded as just another program. Clear lines of command and control, responsibility and accountability must be established. Those in leadership roles must have defined missions and a vision for the future of national security. Including the Border Patrol and its mission in the Bureau of Border Security fails that test.

Since INS's overall mission was not "singularly" to secure the borders there was little accountably for failure. There was no one manager in the INS who was solely responsible for border security but rather a long list of bureaucrats with fancy titles like Executive Associate Commissioners, Assistant Commissioners, Regional Directors, the list goes on and on.

The U.S. Border Patrol's mission is to secure more than eight thousand miles of external boundary of the United States against all border violators, regardless of their immigration status. No other federal agency shares this responsibility. Arguably no other federal agency has such a tremendous challenge or obligation to the safety of the American public.

Additionally, given the magnitude and consequences of failure of this critical component of national security, it is imperative that the U.S. Border Patrol become a separate agency and not a subordinate of the Bureau of Border Security.

The U.S. Border Patrol's mission is direct, unambiguous and critically important to overall national security. The Border Patrol's mission represents the most fundamental of all federal responsibilities. The Border Patrol must be given the leadership and authority commensurate with their mission.

Back when the US Border Patrol was originally attached to the INS it was in fact relatively small with well under 2,000 agents. That is no longer remotely the case. Currently the Border Patrol has an authorized workforce of approximately 10,000 agents. Every indication from capital hill is that this number is totally inadequate with several congressmen calling for the doubling of the workforce to 20,000. It remains to be seen what the final number will be, but all indications are that the US Border Patrol will continue to expand for several years to come.

In looking at some other independent federal agencies we see that size is not necessarily relevant.

FBI, approximately 12,000 agents

DEA, approximately 5,300 agents

US Secret Service, approximately 3,500 agents

ATF, approximately 2,100 agents

An independent US Border Patrol will not be relatively small. Actually it will automatically be the of the largest law enforcement agency in the federal government. It already is the largest uniformed federal law enforcement agency in the nation.

Unfortunately, under the current organizational structure the Chief of the Border Patrol will not answer directly to the Director of DHS as Secret Service and the Coast Guard will. Nor will he answer directly to the Directorate of Border and Transportation Security as will the US Customs Director. He must answer to the Director of the Bureau of Border Security. This Effectively relegates one of the largest and most important federal law enforcement agencies to the lowest possible box on the DHS organization chart.

A simple check of the proposed organization structure of DHS located at www.DHS.GOV/employees/NextSteps/orgchart.cfm confirms the US Border Patrol did not even rate it's own organizational box. This does not demonstrate well the seriousness with which we must focus on border security.

33 posted on 01/24/2003 9:31:23 AM PST by usurper
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To: Clinton Is Scum; Sabertooth; FITZ; Marine Inspector; Ajnin
Thanks for the correction. Here is an email I received yesterday from Shaddeg to give you an idea of where he stands on this issue:

Thursday, January 23, 2003 9:47 AM

Subject: Responding to your message

     Thank you for contacting me with your concerns about amnesty for
illegal aliens.  I appreciate the opportunity to respond.

     I am strongly opposed to granting blanket amnesty to illegal
immigrants living in the United States.  As we learned from the 1986
amnesty, the "Immigration Act of 1985," such amnesty does not end our
illegal immigration problem.  Rather, it actually precipitates even more
illegal immigration.  Individuals are encouraged in the belief that if
they can elude the Border Patrol and stay underground for a few years,
they will eventually get amnesty themselves.  A large-scale amnesty would
lead to further violations of U.S. law instead of encouraging and
rewarding legal immigration.

     As you know, the Bush administration is considering several proposals
as part of a joint effort between the U.S. and Mexico to solve chronic
problems along the border.  They include the possibility of more U.S.
visas for Mexican citizens and more and better cooperation along the
U.S.-Mexico border to reduce crossings at dangerous, isolated areas.  The
plan would also explore more joint investments to create jobs in Mexico
and the development of a guest worker program to allow Mexicans to
temporarily live and work in the United States, and return to Mexico upon
completion of their work.

     While I do not believe in granting amnesty to illegal aliens, I do
support legal immigration through such programs as the guest worker
compromise.  The farming, agriculture and nursery industries in Arizona
are a vital part of the state’s economy.  A great deal of the labor for
this industry is supplied by immigrant workers.  The truth is that if
immigrants do not hold these positions, the agriculture industry will
suffer.  Therefore, I believe a compromise between our two countries will
offer a solution to allow seasonal immigrant workers an opportunity to
legally fill the positions in Arizona and across the country.

     Once again, thank you for sharing your concerns.  I look forward to
hearing about issues of importance to you in the future.  In the meantime,
I encourage you to visit my web site at

34 posted on 01/24/2003 11:56:41 AM PST by madfly
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To: Spiff; HiJinx; CIBvet; AZHSer; AnnaZ; Mercuria; georgiabelle; I_Love_My_Husband; norton; EBUCK; ...
ping
35 posted on 01/24/2003 11:59:11 AM PST by madfly
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To: The Raven
"But what's the answer? There are a gazillion miles of border. Has anyone come up with a cost effective, workable solution?"

there is no such solution as you state it. the borders are a serious enough issue that the government needs to invest big now, in order to secure the future. all we'd have to do is bring some of our boys(and girls) home from some one elses border, and but it on our own, problem solved and it's already in the budget. let's see... the balkans have been quiet for a while, bring the rest of our troops from there and let the EU take care of their own problem, we need to solve ours.


36 posted on 01/24/2003 12:34:10 PM PST by sonofron
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To: sonofron
If it was that easy - we'd be doing it...
37 posted on 01/24/2003 12:37:42 PM PST by The Raven
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To: Sabertooth
Thanks for the ping Tooth. Another great column by Michelle Malkin. Did you see the below editorial by Paul Craig Roberts in yesterday's Washington Times?

U.S. departing the First World?

38 posted on 01/24/2003 12:49:38 PM PST by WRhine
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To: Elkiejg
OK Freepers, it's time to act. I sent this article to my Senate and House representatives along with my DEMAND that they do their job and protect Americans here at home. Then sent to President Bush with same comments AND that Americans were losing faith in him due to his continued avoidance of this serious problem.

Done!

39 posted on 01/24/2003 12:51:13 PM PST by WRhine
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To: All
This Insight Magazine Poll was posted on a "Freep This Poll" thread and was doing well, but turned around.

Freep This Poll

FYI

Should U.S. citizens be organizing themselves to monitor immigration at the Mexican border?


Yes, such vigilance is necessary at a time of heightened national security
 
 (41%; 698 votes)
No, the U.S. government employs people to do this job
 
 (59%; 1013 votes)

40 posted on 01/24/2003 12:56:47 PM PST by madfly
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To: 4Freedom
I can't even stand to hear the sound of Bush's voice. The sense of revulsion I experience is as bad as it ever was when I heard Clinton's voice, maybe worse.

I know the feeling. It's like Clinton never left.

41 posted on 01/24/2003 12:59:54 PM PST by WRhine
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To: WRhine
Excellent article. Thanks for the link.
42 posted on 01/24/2003 1:30:53 PM PST by hot august night
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To: madfly
I notice there's a serious shortage, inside the beltway and in state capitols, of people who truly love their country.
43 posted on 01/24/2003 1:51:21 PM PST by Paulie
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To: hot august night
"Any man that worries about feeding a stranger than his own hungry child is a worthless, corrupt POS."

IMO, it's worse than that. Bush isn't doing anything he's doing to feed anybody's children. He's doing it for a share of the take on all of that PEMEX oil.

44 posted on 01/24/2003 2:05:50 PM PST by 4Freedom (America is no longer the 'Land of Opportunity', it's the 'Land of Illegal Alien Opportunists'!!!)
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To: hot august night
Excellent article. Thanks for the link.

I must have missed this article on the FR side column yesterday but after checking 2 threads were put up on Paul Craig Robert's article.

U.S. Leaving First World?

U.S. Leaving First World?

45 posted on 01/24/2003 2:12:55 PM PST by WRhine
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To: WRhine
"I know the feeling. It's like Clinton never left."

No, they just took him out and had him spaded.

46 posted on 01/24/2003 2:20:32 PM PST by 4Freedom (America is no longer the 'Land of Opportunity', it's the 'Land of Illegal Alien Opportunists'!!!)
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To: Sabertooth

Time for some high-speed deportation procedures...

47 posted on 01/24/2003 2:23:49 PM PST by Mr. Jeeves
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To: The Raven; sonofron
It's plenty easy. The TSA advertised for 72,000 passenger screeners and they received 1.5 million applicants.

If they wanted to, they could hire 72,000 of the applicants they turned away to guard our borders.

The TSA offered $24,000 to $39,000 a year to these screeners. Their budget next year is $2.1 billion dollars.

If we get rid of all of our illegal aliens, we'll save $27 billion to $72 billion each year depending on who you ask.

What's not affordable?

48 posted on 01/24/2003 2:29:19 PM PST by 4Freedom (America is no longer the 'Land of Opportunity', it's the 'Land of Illegal Alien Opportunists'!!!)
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To: madfly
Please, everybody needs to raise H--yH--l with their insurance companies also. My personal health and hosp policy has gone up over 100% in the past 5 years.

Why? Certainly not because of my overuse. I am basicaly a healthy person and have paid for my own doctor visits the past few times they were needed and self medicate because of doctors that told me what I already knew most of the time.

I believe that these rate increases are caused by hospitals and doctors passing off the costs of unpaying users. They try to make up what the government won't pay off the backs of those that have tried to take care of their own.

I'm about ready to join those ranks (unpaying) rather than continue to take an ever increasing shaft size from those that have no nads to say NO MORE This is getting very frustrating to say the least.

49 posted on 01/24/2003 2:33:43 PM PST by Dust in the Wind
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To: cyborg
There's absolutely nothing up there. No border patrol. Nothing.

I don't know where you got that idea or info, but it is wrong.

There are over a thousand Border Patrol Agents working the Canadian border.

50 posted on 01/24/2003 2:35:20 PM PST by Marine Inspector
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