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THE LORD ACTON - GENERAL LEE CORRESPONDENCE
historical archives ^ | 1866 | Acto & Lee

Posted on 01/24/2003 9:06:04 AM PST by one2many

The Lord Acton
General Robert E. Lee
Correspondence

Bologna
November 4, 1866

Sir,

The very kind letter which Mrs. Lee wrote to my wife last winter encouraged me to hope that you will forgive my presuming to address you, and that you will not resent as an intrusion a letter from an earnest and passionate lover of the cause whose glory and whose strength you were.

I have been requested to furnish private counsel in American affairs for the guidance of the editors of a weekly Review which is to begin at the New Year, and which will be conducted by men who are followers of Mr. Gladstone. You are aware, no doubt, that Mr. Gladstone was in the minority of Lord Palmerston's cabinet who wished to accept the French Emperor's proposal to mediate in the American war.

The reason of the confidence shown in my advice is simply the fact that I formerly traveled in America, and that I afterwards followed the progress of the four years' contest as closely and as keenly as it was possible to do with the partial and unreliable information that reached us. In the momentous questions which have arisen since you sheathed the sword, I have endeavoured to conform my judgment to your own as well as I could ascertain it from the report of your evidence, from the few English travelers who enjoyed the privilege of speaking with you, and especially from General Beauregard, who spoke, as I understood, your sentiments as well as his own. My travels in America never led me south of Maryland, and the only friends to whom I can look for instruction, are Northerners, mostly of Webster's school.

In my emergency, urged by the importance of the questions at issue in the United States, and by the peril of misguided public opinion between our two countries, I therefore seek to appeal to southern authorities, and venture at once to proceed to Headquarters.

If, Sir, you will consent to entertain my request, and will inform me of the light in which you would wish the current politics of America to be understood, I can pledge myself that the new Review shall follow the course which you prescribe and that any communication with which you may honor me shall be kept in strictest confidence, and highly treasured by me. Even should you dismiss my request as unwarranted, I trust you will remember it only as an attempt to break through the barrier of false reports and false sympathies which encloses the views of my countrymen.

It cannot have escaped you that much of the good will felt in England towards the South, so far as it was not simply the tribute of astonishment and admiration won by your campaigns, was neither unselfish nor sincere. It sprang partly from an exultant belief in the hope that America would be weakened by the separation, and from terror at the remote prospect of Farragut appearing in the channel and Sherman landing in Ireland.

I am anxious that you should distinguish the feeling which drew me aware toward your cause and your career, and which now guides my pen, from that thankless and unworthy sympathy.

Without presuming to decide the purely legal question, on which it seems evident to me from Madison's and Hamilton's papers that the Fathers of the Constitution were not agreed, I saw in State Rights the only availing check upon the absolutism of the sovereign will, and secession filled me with hope, not as the destruction but as the redemption of Democracy. The institutions of your Republic have not exercised on the old world the salutary and liberating influence which ought to have belonged to them, by reason of those defects and abuses of principle which the Confederate Constitution was expressly and wisely calculated to remedy. I believed that the example of that great Reform would have blessed all the races of mankind by establishing true freedom purged of the native dangers and disorders of Republics. Therefore I deemed that you were fighting the battles of our liberty, our progress, and our civilization; and I mourn for the stake which was lost at Richmond more deeply than I rejoice over that which was saved at Waterloo.

General Beauregard confirmed to me a report which was in the papers, that you are preparing a narrative of your campaigns. I sincerely trust that it is true, and that the loss you were said to have sustained at the evacuation of Richmond has not deprived you of the requisite materials. European writers are trying to construct that terrible history with the information derived from one side only. I have before me an elaborate work by a Prussian officer named Sander. It is hardly possible that future publications can be more honorable to the reputation of your army and your own. His feelings are strongly Federal, his figures, especially in estimating your forces, are derived from Northern journals, and yet his book ends by becoming an enthusiastic panegyric on your military skill. It will impress you favourably towards the writer to know that he dwells with particular detail and pleasure on your operations against Meade when Longstreet was absent, in the autumn of 1863.

But I have heard the best Prussian military critics regret that they had not the exact data necessary for a scientific appreciation of your strategy, and certainly the credit due to the officers who served under you can be distributed and justified by no hand but your own.

If you will do me the honor to write to me, letters will reach me addressed Sir J. Acton, Hotel [Serry?], Rome. Meantime I remain, with sentiments stronger than respect, Sir,

~ Your faithful servant
John Dalberg Acton

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Lexington, Vir.,
15 Dec. 1866

Sir,

Although your letter of the 4th ulto. has been before me some days unanswered, I hope you will not attribute it to a want of interest in the subject, but to my inability to keep pace with my correspondence. As a citizen of the South I feel deeply indebted to you for the sympathy you have evinced in its cause, and am conscious that I owe your kind consideration of myself to my connection with it. The influence of current opinion in Europe upon the current politics of America must always be salutary; and the importance of the questions now at issue the United States, involving not only constitutional freedom and constitutional government in this country, but the progress of universal liberty and civilization, invests your proposition with peculiar value, and will add to the obligation which every true American must owe you for your efforts to guide that opinion aright. Amid the conflicting statements and sentiments in both countries, it will be no easy task to discover the truth, or to relieve it from the mass of prejudice and passion, with which it has been covered by party spirit. I am conscious the compliment conveyed in your request for my opinion as to the light in which American politics should be viewed, and had I the ability, I have not the time to enter upon a discussion, which was commenced by the founders of the constitution and has been continued to the present day. I can only say that while I have considered the preservation of the constitutional power of the General Government to be the foundation of our peace and safety at home and abroad, I yet believe that the maintenance of the rights and authority reserved to the states and to the people, not only essential to the adjustment and balance of the general system, but the safeguard to the continuance of a free government. I consider it as the chief source of stability to our political system, whereas the consolidation of the states into one vast republic, sure to be aggressive abroad and despotic at home, will be the certain precursor of that ruin which has overwhelmed all those that have preceded it. I need not refer one so well acquainted as you are with American history, to the State papers of Washington and Jefferson, the representatives of the federal and democratic parties, denouncing consolidation and centralization of power, as tending to the subversion of State Governments, and to despotism. The New England states, whose citizens are the fiercest opponents of the Southern states, did not always avow the opinions they now advocate. Upon the purchase of Louisiana by Mr. Jefferson, they virtually asserted the right of secession through their prominent men; and in the convention which assembled at Hartford in 1814, they threatened the disruption of the Union unless the war should be discontinued. The assertion of this right has been repeatedly made by their politicians when their party was weak, and Massachusetts, the leading state in hostility to the South, declares in the preamble to her constitution, that the people of that commonwealth "have the sole and exclusive right of governing themselves as a free sovereign and independent state, and do, and forever hereafter shall, exercise and enjoy every power, jurisdiction, and right which is not, or may hereafter be by them expressly delegated to the United States of America in congress assembled." Such has been in substance the language of other State governments, and such the doctrine advocated by the leading men of the country for the last seventy years. Judge Chase, the present Chief Justice of the U.S., as late as 1850, is reported to have stated in the Senate, of which he was a member, that he "knew of no remedy in case of the refusal of a state to perform its stipulations," thereby acknowledging the sovereignty and independence of state action. But I will not weary you with this unprofitable discussion. Unprofitable because the judgment of reason has been displaced by the arbitrament of war, waged for the purpose as avowed of maintaining the union of the states. If, therefore, the result of the war is to be considered as having decided that the union of the states is inviolable and perpetual under the constitution, it naturally follows that it is as incompetent for the general government to impair its integrity by the exclusion of a state, as for the states to do so by secession; and that the existence and rights of a state by the constitution are as indestructible as the union itself. The legitimate consequence then must be the perfect equality of rights of all the states; the exclusive right of each to regulate its internal affairs under rules established by the Constitution, and the right of each state to prescribe for itself the qualifications of suffrage. The South has contended only for the supremacy of the constitution, and the just administration of the laws made in pursuance to it. Virginia to the last made great efforts to save the union, and urged harmony and compromise. Senator Douglass, in his remarks upon the compromise bill recommended by the committee of thirteen in 1861, stated that every member from the South, including Messrs. Toombs and Davis, expressed their willingness to accept the proposition of Senator Crittenden from Kentucky, as a final settlement of the controversy, if sustained by the republican party, and that the only difficulty in the way of an amicable adjustment was with the republican party. Who then is responsible for the war? Although the South would have preferred any honorable compromise to the fratricidal war which has taken place, she now accepts in good faith its constitutional results, and receives without reserve the amendment which has already been made to the constitution for the extinction of slavery. That is an event that has been long sought, though in a different way, and by none has it been more earnestly desired than by citizens of Virginia. In other respects I trust that the constitution may undergo no change, but that it may be handed down to succeeding generations in the form we received it from our forefathers. The desire I feel that the Southern states should possess the good opinion of one whom I esteem as highly as yourself, has caused me to extend my remarks farther than I intended, and I fear it has led me to exhaust your patience. If what I have said should serve to give any information as regards American politics, and enable you to enlighten public opinion as to the true interests of this distracted country, I hope you will pardon its prolixity.

In regard to your inquiry as to my being engaged in preparing a narrative of the campaigns in Virginia, I regret to state that I progress slowly in the collection of the necessary documents for its completion. I particularly feel the loss of the official returns showing the small numbers with which the battles were fought. I have not seen the work by the Prussian officer you mention and therefore cannot speak of his accuracy in this respect.– With sentiments of great respect, I remain your obt. servant,

~ R.E. Lee


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: acton; concurrentmajority; dixie; dixielist; freedom; lee; liberty; relee
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Above find two of the most insightful letters in man's history. Later Acton was knighted. You may have heard his famous saying: POWER CORRUPTS, AND ABSOLUTE POWER CORRUPTS ABSOLUTELY.

Also find more of Robert E. Lee's letters at:

http://home.wlu.edu/~stanleyv/pentrans.htm

1 posted on 01/24/2003 9:06:04 AM PST by one2many
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To: stainlessbanner; shuckmaster
FYI
2 posted on 01/24/2003 9:07:34 AM PST by one2many ( "Truth is the one worthy Grail; follow where she leads")
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To: one2many
The 9th and 10th ammendments are the basis of "states rights". They have been sadly ignored for decades, and if we want to assure our liberty we have to reclaim them.

But we have to be clear. The purpose of these ammendments is to provide another level of separation of powers, similar in purpose to the separation of powers between the various branches of government. The point is to preserve individual liberty by assuring that no one branch or level of government has a monopoly of power, and that if any branch or level of government begins to abuse its power, the citizen has recourse to another branch, or another level, for redress.

This is how we protect liberty without having to resort to open revolution.

Thus, if the federal powers become abusive, there exists the possibility of intervention by state and local law to provide a barrier; likewise if local authorities become abusive, the citizen has the hope of protection from state or federal law.

But "states rights" must never be construed to provide justification for denial of liberty to citizens.

This is the problem.

Most of us understand the difference. But under Democratic Party rule, "states rights" was perverted into a justification for the denial of liberty. This is the reason it is now so difficult to have a reasoned discussion of the subject now; it is impossible to discuss the constitutional issues without evoking the old perversion.

In part, this is a propaganda ploy. It is the means by which Democrats try to lay the perversions and crimes of their past at Republican feet. But this is a falsehood Republicans must reject. Democrats perverted "states rights" into a defense of oppression, rather than the defense of liberty it is intended to be. In the modern world, Democrats attack the notion of "states rights" by evoking the memory of their own heresy. It is a most dishonest sleight of hand.
4 posted on 01/24/2003 9:34:32 AM PST by marron
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To: one2many
Two men of great character, heroes in my eyes. I had no idea that they corresponded. Thank you for the post!

Acton's famous observation that "power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely" is one of the very few conservative maxims that leftists, deep down, know to be true. In other words, it's a winning argument for us.

Elsewhere, Acton observed that the principles of free market economics could be deduced from the Gospels. My late friend William F. Rickenbacker also wrote powerfully in developing some of these New Testament arguments for free markets.

Acton's work and memory are carried on by the Acton Institute in Grand Rapids, MI. Their focus is precisely to show the relationship between sound religious belief and economic freedom with its attendant growth and prosperity. I strongly commend its work and recommend its support by Freepers who want to do something for the Christian and free market view.

5 posted on 01/24/2003 9:34:35 AM PST by T'wit
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To: one2many
bump.
6 posted on 01/24/2003 9:37:15 AM PST by Semaphore Heathcliffe
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To: one2many
Actually, what Lord Acton said was "all power tends to corrupt, absolute power tends to corrupt absolutely". Though not unrelated to the statement generally attributed to him, his actual words mean something rather different.
7 posted on 01/24/2003 9:41:40 AM PST by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Mesopotamia Esse Delendam)
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To: one2many
bump
8 posted on 01/24/2003 9:43:58 AM PST by VOA
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To: CatoRenasci
You are exactly right.
9 posted on 01/24/2003 9:48:00 AM PST by Constitution Day ("Liberals have many tails, and chase them all." - H.L. Mencken)
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To: billbears
Bump for a worthwhile read.
10 posted on 01/24/2003 9:49:03 AM PST by Constitution Day ("Liberals have many tails, and chase them all." - H.L. Mencken)
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To: one2many
How beautifully educated these people were, how eloquent....
11 posted on 01/24/2003 10:05:46 AM PST by yoe
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To: one2many; Non-Sequitur; stainlessbanner; sheltonmac
The New England states, whose citizens are the fiercest opponents of the Southern states, did not always avow the opinions they now advocate. Upon the purchase of Louisiana by Mr. Jefferson, they virtually asserted the right of secession through their prominent men; and in the convention which assembled at Hartford in 1814, they threatened the disruption of the Union unless the war should be discontinued. The assertion of this right has been repeatedly made by their politicians when their party was weak, and Massachusetts, the leading state in hostility to the South, declares in the preamble to her constitution, that the people of that commonwealth "have the sole and exclusive right of governing themselves as a free sovereign and independent state, and do, and forever hereafter shall, exercise and enjoy every power, jurisdiction, and right which is not, or may hereafter be by them expressly delegated to the United States of America in congress assembled

Hartford Convention bump!!

12 posted on 01/24/2003 10:07:22 AM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice!!)
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To: *dixie_list; thatdewd; canalabamian; Sparta; treesdream; sc-rms; Tax-chick; PAR35; condi2008; ...
Dixie Bump
13 posted on 01/24/2003 10:10:27 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: stainlessbanner
CSMC BUMP!
14 posted on 01/24/2003 10:17:18 AM PST by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. : Thomas Jefferson 1774)
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To: billbears
Good thing for them they never tried unilateral secession. Turns out that they would have been as wrong in 1814 as the southern states were in 1861.
15 posted on 01/24/2003 10:46:11 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: one2many; WhiskeyPapa; Ditto
Acton is a questionable authority on the United States Constitution. His argument that state's rights are a check upon "the absolutism of the sovereign will" is worthy of consideration, but secession at will is simply another form of that absolutism, not a check upon it. Giving states absolute sovereign power doesn't decrease the danger of government power. It simply shifts the locus of tyranny.

Acton's support for secession in North America and his defense of multinational empires and opposition to independence movements in Europe are certainly inconsistent. He was much less supportive of the suppressed nationalities of Europe than America's rebels against Constitutional authority. All in all, Acton looks a lot like a political dilettante.

And Lee certainly changed his own mind over time:

"The framers of our Constitution never exhausted so much labor, wisdom and forebearance in its formation, and surrounded it with so many guards and securities, if it was to be broken by every member of the Confederacy at will. It was intended for 'perpetual union' so expressed in the preamble, and for the establishment of a government, not a compact, which can only be dissolved by revolution, or the consent of all the people in convention assembled. It is idle to talk of secession." --R.E. Lee January 23, 1861

Having led armies in a bloody war to sever the Union, Lee had to believe afterwards that his cause was just and that he had no alternative. We aren't obligated to do so, and can ask whether secession is really a solution to the problem of maintaining liberty, or just a source of trouble and whether it really defends the liberties of the average citizen or just empowers political elites and agitators to do the maximum damage.

16 posted on 01/24/2003 11:25:04 AM PST by x
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To: one2many
That would be the same Lord Acton who said, "Great men are almost always bad men, even when they exercise influence rather than authority?" I wonder if he had Lee in mind when he said that?
17 posted on 01/24/2003 12:55:54 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
IIRC, there were a couple of Northern secession crises, one in 1814, one in the 1850s--and the South made it clear BOTH TIMES that they would force the North to stay in the United States no matter what.
18 posted on 01/24/2003 12:58:57 PM PST by Poohbah (Four thousand throats may be cut in a single night by a running man -- Kahless the Unforgettable)
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To: Hobey Baker
Great post. If we have such men today, they certainly are not in government.

Agreed.

19 posted on 01/24/2003 5:24:57 PM PST by one2many ( "Truth is the one worthy Grail; follow where she leads")
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To: T'wit
Thanks for your kind comments.

I am familiar with the Acton Institute.

Indeed, my main complaint with them is their failure to point out Acton's position which is the subject here.

Otherwise, a fine org. with a fine website. I cannot recommend too highly Acton's two great discourses on Liberty. Here is a blurb about and a link to Acton's most famous and valuable work:

The History of Freedom by John Emerich Edward Dalberg Acton. Lord Acton is popularly remembered for his pungent aphorisms – "Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely" – but of far deeper significance was his lifelong study of the history of freedom. It was a work never completed, for reasons Professor Holland discusses in his introduction. But Acton's brilliant insights, the fruit of his vast erudition, were forthcoming on rare occasion, and never more powerfully than in the two lectures published here. These writings are a precious heritage for the promise of civilization in our time and forevermore.

20 posted on 01/24/2003 5:36:22 PM PST by one2many ( "Truth is the one worthy Grail; follow where she leads")
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To: billbears
Thank you.

The existence of the Hartford Convention puts the lie to everything that a number of the "leading lights" at FR have to say!

21 posted on 01/24/2003 5:38:18 PM PST by one2many ( "Truth is the one worthy Grail; follow where she leads")
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To: billbears
Hartford Convention bump!!

Here is a link to the resolution issued by the Hartford convention. Where are the threats?

22 posted on 01/28/2003 6:09:21 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
There is another series of letters and correspondance between Lord Acton and Queen Elizabeth (I) circa 1650 I believe, but a different Lord Acton which very well documents the original founding father's interpretation and meaning of the Separation of Church and State. Stored in Cambridge and published Cambridge Press, I believe. A very good read if anybody can find it and post it. I've looked for 2 years and haven't refound it.
23 posted on 01/28/2003 6:21:01 AM PST by Cvengr
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To: Non-Sequitur
LOL. You still refuse to see the threat in the last paragraph. I'm telling you Non, that next meeting was not to discuss the drapes!! It was put there to appease the northern secessionists. If the war had not ended when it did, we would have been rid of the yankees 50 years prior
24 posted on 01/28/2003 6:47:15 AM PST by billbears
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To: billbears
I'm telling you Non, that next meeting was not to discuss the drapes!!

But you don't know what would have happened, do you? What threats, if any, would have been made. And even if secession had been proposed what form it would have taken. It may have been proposed with the consent of the states. And it may have been opposed by the southern states as well. You are just speculating.

25 posted on 01/28/2003 7:41:59 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: one2many
Who then is responsible for the war? Although the South would have preferred any honorable compromise to the fratricidal war which has taken place.

Can anyone point me to historical evidence that the South was willing to compromise rather than taking up arms? It seems to me that Lincoln was abundantly clear that he did not intend to interfere with slavery in the slave states, and even insofar as necessary to abide by the Dred Scot decision, which it seems to me effectively extended the institution of slavery to the territories. What Lincoln repeated said, in effect, was that he would prefer to contain slavery so as to set it "on a path to eventual extinction". However it seems like the path to eventually extinction had no timetable, and that if the slave states would have not taken up arms, under Lincolns approach slavery might has lasted another 100 years. So, please enlighten me, what evidence is there that the slave states had worked for "any honorable compromise" as General Lee asserts?

26 posted on 01/28/2003 8:08:09 AM PST by dano1
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To: dano1
Your answers are in Gred Durand's book, America's Caesar, which is online here.
27 posted on 01/28/2003 10:39:32 AM PST by one2many ( "Truth is the one worthy Grail; follow where she leads")
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To: one2many
Good post!
28 posted on 01/29/2003 9:45:26 PM PST by agrandis
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