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Solzhenitsyn Book Infuriates Russian Jews
News Max ^ | Jan. 25, 2003

Posted on 01/27/2003 3:10:30 PM PST by Ivan the Terrible

Alexander Solzhenitsyn's charge in his latest book that Jews were as much perpetrators of Soviet communist repression as they were its victims has infuriated Russian Jews, who say that the book is filled with inaccuracies.

One prominent Jewish leader told Britain's Guardian newspaper that the book was without merit.

"This is a mistake, but even geniuses make mistakes," Yevgeny Satanovsky, president of the Russian Jewish Congress told the Guardian. "Richard Wagner did not like the Jews, but was a great composer. Dostoyevsky was a great Russian writer, but had a very sceptical attitude towards the Jews.

"This is not a book about how the Jews and Russians lived together for 200 years, but one about how they lived apart after finding themselves on the same territory. This book is a weak one professionally. Factually, it is so bad as to be beyond criticism. As literature, it is not of any merit."

In the book, "Two Hundred Years Together," Solzhenitsyn, 84, who won the Nobel Prize for Literature in 1970 for being the first to expose the horrors of the Stalinist gulag [the chain of brutal Soviet prison camps where he was imprisoned], deals with one of the last taboos of the communist revolution: that Jews were as much perpetrators of the repression as its victims.

One charge that has Russian Jews angry was his claim that "If I would care to generalise, and to say that the life of the Jews in the camps was especially hard, I could, and would not face reproach for an unjust national generalisation. But in the camps where I was kept, it was different. The Jews whose experience I saw - their life was softer than that of others."

He then adds: "But it is impossible to find the answer to the eternal question: who is to be blamed, who led us to our death? To explain the actions of the Kiev cheka [secret police - forerunners of the KGB] only by the fact that two thirds were Jews, is certainly incorrect."

According to the Guardian, the book's title refers to the 1772 partial annexation of Poland and Russia which greatly increased the Russian Jewish population. Three chapters discuss the Jewish role in the revolutionary genocide and secret police purges of Soviet Russia.

Solzhenitsyn argues that Russia must come to terms with the Stalinist and revolutionary genocides - and that its Jewish population should be as offended at their own role in the purges as they are at the Soviet power that also persecuted them.

"My book was directed to empathise with the thoughts, feelings and the psychology of the Jews - their spiritual component," he said. "I have never made general conclusions about a people. I will always differentiate between layers of Jews. One layer rushed headfirst to the revolution. Another, to the contrary, was trying to stand back. The Jewish subject for a long time was considered prohibited. Zhabotinsky [a Jewish writer] once said that the best service our Russian friends give to us is never to speak aloud about us."

DM Thomas, one of Solzhenitsyn's biographers, told the Guardian that he did not think the book was fuelled by anti-Semitism. "I would not doubt his sincerity. He says that he firmly supports the state of Israel. In his fiction and factual writing there are Jewish characters that he writes about who are bright, decent, anti-Stalinist people."

Professor Robert Service of Oxford University, an expert on 20th century Russian history, praised the book saying what he has read about it shows that Solzhenitsyn was "absolutely right".

While researching a book on Lenin, Prof Service told the Guardian that he came across details of how Trotsky, who was of Jewish origin, asked the politburo in 1919 to ensure that Jews were enrolled in the Red army. Trotsky said that Jews were disproportionately represented in the Soviet civil bureaucracy, including the cheka.

"Trotsky's idea was that the spread of anti-Semitism was [partly due to] objections about their entrance into the civil service. There is something in this; that they were not just passive spectators of the revolution. They were part-victims and part-perpetrators."

Less complimentary was Vassili Berezhkov, a retired KGB colonel and historian of the secret services and the NKVD (the precursor of the KGB) who told the Guardian that he failed to see the need for Solzhenitsyn's reopening past wounds at this time.

"The question of ethnicity did not have any importance either in the revolution or the story of the NKVD. This was a social revolution and those who served in the NKVD and cheka were serving ideas of social change," he explained.

"If Solzhenitsyn writes that there were many Jews in the NKVD, it will increase the passions of anti-Semitism, which has deep roots in Russian history. I think it is better not to discuss such a question now."


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1 posted on 01/27/2003 3:10:30 PM PST by Ivan the Terrible
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To: Ivan the Terrible
"But in the camps where I was kept, it was different. The Jews whose experience I saw - their life was softer than that of others."

All except for my Russian Jewish friends who were tortured or died in the camps.

2 posted on 01/27/2003 3:16:48 PM PST by Nachum
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To: Ivan the Terrible
"If Solzhenitsyn writes that there were many Jews in the NKVD, it will increase the passions of anti-Semitism, which has deep roots in Russian history. I think it is better not to discuss such a question now."

I guess PC is not just a US phenomenon.

3 posted on 01/27/2003 3:17:38 PM PST by PaulJ
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To: Ivan the Terrible; Yehuda; SJackson; yonif
But in the camps where I was kept, it was different. The Jews whose experience I saw - their life was softer than that of others."

I read THE GULAG ARCHIPELAGO, and also THE FIRST CIRCLE, Solzhenitsyn's novel based on his own experience. He bragged that he was able to get his poor little dissident self assigned to an "island of paradise", a "Club Red" for scientists and academics. In the camps where he was kept, EVERYONE had it easy.

Here is a memoir of a Rabbi who survived the Gulag, and he did not have as comfy a vacation as Solzhenitsyn.

4 posted on 01/27/2003 3:19:11 PM PST by Alouette
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To: Ivan the Terrible
Solzhenitsyn's writings always need to be taken in their full context. His enemies have used selective quotation to accuse him of anti-Semitism before, without justification.

The fact that many of Lenin's collaborators in the Bolshevik Party, and in the Russian and European revolutionary movement generally, were of Jewish origin is indisputable. It's worth noting as a historical anomaly with readily identifiable causes. It is not anti-Semitic to point this out, unless one veers into Nazi ravings about "Judeo-Bolshevism". I doubt very much that this is Solzhenitsyn's thesis.

Now Stalin - there was a real anti-Semite.

5 posted on 01/27/2003 3:20:48 PM PST by Argus
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To: Nachum
Solzhenitsyn is totally correct. One of the first laws promulgated by the communists was a law making anti-semitism a crime.
6 posted on 01/27/2003 3:22:52 PM PST by cynicom
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To: PaulJ
I guess PC is not just a US phenomenon.

But it seems to be more virulent here. I checked a couple of weeks ago, and French and German translations of the first volume of this two-volume work are available from amazon.fr and amazon.de. The French translation appeared in March 2002. Yet no English translation seems to be available, not here in the U.S., not in the UK, nowhere. Got to wonder why is that.

7 posted on 01/27/2003 3:24:27 PM PST by aristeides
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To: cynicom
Totally correct in saying that Jews in the camps had it easier? That is utter nonsense.
8 posted on 01/27/2003 3:24:30 PM PST by Nachum
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To: Nachum
Well, I guess the Jews that survived camps did have it easier than those Jews who perished in the pogroms.
9 posted on 01/27/2003 3:30:16 PM PST by riri
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To: Ivan the Terrible
"If Solzhenitsyn writes that there were many Jews in the NKVD, it will increase the passions of anti-Semitism, which has deep roots in Russian history. I think it is better not to discuss such a question now."

Solzhenitsyn is fanatically committed to the truth, no matter if it is pleasant or not , or what are the consequences. I think that he believes that truth is the path to God. He must be a very difficult person in his private life.

10 posted on 01/27/2003 3:31:15 PM PST by A. Pole
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To: Nachum
He did time, I will have to accept his word.
11 posted on 01/27/2003 3:31:33 PM PST by cynicom
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To: A. Pole
"If Solzhenitsyn writes that there were many Jews in the NKVD, it will increase the passions of anti-Semitism, which has deep roots in Russian history. I think it is better not to discuss such a question now."

Hmm, almost every person in Eastern Europe knows about NKVD and early Bolshevik regime. I do not think that this can be the key point of his book.

Solzhenitsyn is fanatically committed to the truth, no matter if it is pleasant or not , or what are the consequences. I think that he believes that truth is the path to God. He must be a very difficult person in his private life.

I do not understand how he was able to find a woman willing to marry him?

12 posted on 01/27/2003 3:39:15 PM PST by A. Pole
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To: Ivan the Terrible
The participation of Jews in the prerevolutionary and postrevolutionary Bolshevism is well documented by Robert Conquest as well as others. Many Jews felt, as they do now, that they were the underdogs and tended to gravitate to underdog political movements. There is nothing new to this information.
13 posted on 01/27/2003 3:45:34 PM PST by TexanToTheCore
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To: Ivan the Terrible
"Yevgeny Satanovsky"

Not a very felicitous last name, IMHO.
14 posted on 01/27/2003 3:49:52 PM PST by Bahbah (No more francophile, moi)
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To: TexanToTheCore
Agree. There is nothing new here that should be considered controversial.
15 posted on 01/27/2003 3:52:44 PM PST by Burkeman1
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To: A. Pole
I recall that Solzhenitsyn divorced and re-married.
17 posted on 01/27/2003 3:57:15 PM PST by RKV
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To: A. Pole
Solzhenitsyn is fanatically committed to the truth, no matter if it is pleasant or not , or what are the consequences. I think that he believes that truth is the path to God. He must be a very difficult person in his private life.

I'm sure you are right on both scores, must be why I love him so much.

18 posted on 01/27/2003 4:03:48 PM PST by Maigret
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To: cynicom
And what about my friends who "did time"? Is their testimony untrue because Solzhenitsyn wrote a book? How many Jews would have had to go to Siberia, or Lefertovo prison to satisfy one who takes this man's word?

I have plenty of people I can bring forward who suffered horribly in the camps. Just as much as anyone else. This is my experience. Jews suffered just like everyone else under the communists. What about the Jews that died in Pogroms, did he mention them in his book? Did he mention the mobs that slaughtered men, women, and children? Did he mention Baba Yar? Did he mention a special Soviet "Jewish" secret police, dedicated only to sending their fellow Jews to prison or worse?

Jews were systematically sent to Siberia for nothing more than practicing Judaism. They were tortured for teaching Judaism. They were executed for saying anything in public about it. Did this author mention those people? Solzhenitxyn knew nothing of this, and now he is an expert? I take his word for nothing about the plight of Soviet Jews. Not because he is hateful, only because he is ignorant.

19 posted on 01/27/2003 4:25:39 PM PST by Nachum
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To: Ivan the Terrible
To explain the actions of the Kiev cheka [secret police - forerunners of the KGB] only by the fact that two thirds were Jews, is certainly incorrect.

Right. It would be like blaming the Germans for the Holocaust just because the Camp guards tended to be Germans. (ROFLMAO)

I believe that the Soviet Jews could be classified into 3 main groups: the Mensheviks who were the leftists non on Lenin's side (the Bolsheviks). Then, the Bolshevik Jews themselves were split between the followers of Trotsky who advocated spreading the revlutionary terror world-wide and the followers of Stalin who were happy with the 'go slow' method of fully terrorizing the Russian first. The Stalinists, as they happened to be in control until the 50's, tended not to be very kind with the Jews who seemed to be follwing Trotsky.

20 posted on 01/27/2003 4:26:09 PM PST by A Vast RightWing Conspirator
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To: TexanToTheCore
Solzhenitsyn has always said things that people do not want to hear. From my own readings he is correct to a point, to judge from the artical, but after 1938 the Jews joined the rest of the oppressed.

I suspect that most of the self hating Jews and their families come to the States before 1953.

21 posted on 01/27/2003 4:27:52 PM PST by Little Bill (No Rats, A.N.S.W.E.R. is a commie front!!!!)
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To: Nachum
"If I would care to generalise, and to say that the life of the Jews in the camps was especially hard, I could, and would not face reproach for an unjust national generalisation. But in the camps where I was kept, it was different. The Jews whose experience I saw - their life was softer than that of others."

Seems to me that he does say here, that life for Jews overall in the gulags was especially hard. (Or have my brain receptors failed me?) If he saw that things were different in those particular camps in which he was incarcerated, he did. Obviously by his earlier statement, he has no bone to pick, with Jews. Furthermore, by this statement and others he shows that generalizing is not his purpose.

Jesus was a Jew; so was Caiaphas. So were John the Baptist and Herod both, ethnically. David and Absalom? - Both of the tribe of Benjamin. Elijah was a descendent of Israel, so was Ahab. So what? So we're all human.

(Well, Jesus was also something more than that, but that's another matter. ;-` I'm just very glad myself, to be of "an engrafted branch.")

22 posted on 01/27/2003 4:34:26 PM PST by unspun (Compassionate Conservatism - beats the alternatives in either case.)
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To: Alouette; aristeides; PaulJ
Thanks for the ping. I've read reviews, but obviously haven't read the book (my French stinks, no German, no Russian).

You wonder why? Guys, do you really think the English speaking world is more PC, in the context of banning books, than the French and German speaking world? So far as I know the reason Amazon doesn't carry it is it's not yet published in English. I've no way of knowing if the books antisemitic or not, if it is I know the languages I'd publish it in after Arabic though, and English would be third on my list.

I don't know when the versions you read came out, but good grief, it's only been around a year and a half or so in Russian. I'm sure Amazon will get to it.

23 posted on 01/27/2003 4:42:21 PM PST by SJackson
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To: unspun
If anyone were to accuse A.S. of overgeneralizing, he might as well accuse Chuck Close of broad-brushing.
24 posted on 01/27/2003 4:42:59 PM PST by unspun (Compassionate Conservatism - beats the alternatives in either case.)
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To: unspun
I have no problem with your explanation, he takes a cheap shot, that's all.
25 posted on 01/27/2003 4:44:21 PM PST by Nachum
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To: Argus
The fact that many of Lenin's collaborators in the Bolshevik Party, and in the Russian and European revolutionary movement generally, were of Jewish origin is indisputable. It's worth noting as a historical anomaly with readily identifiable causes. It is not anti-Semitic to point this out, unless one veers into Nazi ravings about "Judeo-Bolshevism". I doubt very much that this is Solzhenitsyn's thesis.

I agree. The evil parties in old Russia were leftists, some who were formerly Jews. We have the same problem in modern America, where the evil parties are leftists (aka liberals), some who were formerly Jews.

26 posted on 01/27/2003 4:51:01 PM PST by PhilipFreneau
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To: Nachum
I think he sketches life in revolutionary and post-revolutionary Russia with a .3mm pencil.

At first blush, it looks to me like he may be making a distinction between how those Jews in this particular Lenin/Trotsky 'cult' were considered who were viewed as intellectuals, compared to how the hoi polloi Jews were considered.

An interesting thing to consider (by those with a pure heart for it) given stereotypes that exist elsewhere.

27 posted on 01/27/2003 4:52:23 PM PST by unspun (Compassionate Conservatism - beats the alternatives in either case.)
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To: unspun; Nachum
At first blush, it looks to me like he may be making a distinction between how those Jews in this particular Lenin/Trotsky 'cult' were considered who were viewed as intellectuals, compared to how the hoi polloi Jews were considered.

I've not seen the book, but from those who write of it favorably, I understand the distinction he draws is between Jews, and secular non-Jews.

29 posted on 01/27/2003 5:02:38 PM PST by SJackson
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To: Ivan the Terrible
He says that he firmly supports the state of Israel

One cannot be anti-Zionist without being anti-Semite, but anti-Zionism certainly cannot be equalled with anti-Semitism! Solzh belongs to that rare species of anti-Semites, who are also Zionists. He just wants all Jews to leave Mother Russia for Israel. His book is absolutely disgusting. I lost all respect for the bum

30 posted on 01/27/2003 5:10:29 PM PST by eclectic
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To: DrJET
Reference? Just know it from history.
31 posted on 01/27/2003 5:13:30 PM PST by cynicom
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To: Ivan the Terrible
In the early days, "progressive" Jews did play a leading part in the Soviet terror. Trotsky was a Jew. Litvinov was Jewish. So were many other key players, including members of the secret police. And it goes back all the way to the first Russian Revolutionaries who assassinated Tsar Nicholas II in the 19th century--also Jewish.

In Hungary, the murderous revolutionary Bela Kun and his followers were Jewish. The situation was not unlike what we see in America today, although much bloodier for both perpetrators and victims, with some Jews remaining loyal to Judaism and persecuted for it, and others seduced by the bloodthirsty, visionary left.

Ironically, these "progressive" Jews stirred up hatred of Jews among the Cossacks and others who suffered from revolutionary violence, and it was the religious Jews who got it in the neck, although they were entirely innocent, because they were much more visibly identifiable as Jews because of their dress.

The Communist party in the Soviet Union had a complicated relationship with Jews. In Stalin's late years certainly the Jews suffered as much as anyone else.

I am very much against antisemitism, but I also believe that we need to look at history squarely. And, needless to say, the fact that not all Jews were on the side of the victims should be an excuse for antisemitism.
32 posted on 01/27/2003 5:19:47 PM PST by Cicero
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To: Alouette
"He bragged that he was able to get his poor little dissident self assigned to an "island of paradise", a "Club Red" for scientists and academics. In the camps where he was kept, EVERYONE had it easy."

Oh yeah, the old Gulag scam.

/sarcasm.

33 posted on 01/27/2003 5:37:22 PM PST by Justa
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To: Nachum
"All except for my Russian Jewish friends who were tortured or died in the camps."

My deepest sympathies.

34 posted on 01/27/2003 5:38:10 PM PST by bribriagain
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To: Burkeman1
"Agree. There is nothing new here that should be considered controversial."

Move along, nothing to see here folks.

35 posted on 01/27/2003 5:46:12 PM PST by bribriagain
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To: Alouette
Solz is a liar and a paskudniak! He went to the cushy camp.
36 posted on 01/27/2003 5:47:23 PM PST by sheik yerbouty
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To: Hobey Baker
"We can call of this Jew-bashing irrational or hateful, but it's part of history. Modern, European anti-Semitism is based on real events, even if the interpretation of those events is skewed."

Please be advised that any attempts on your part to convey the truth will be met by scorn and ridicule. While this is not official FR policy, it is our policy, none-the -less.

Word

37 posted on 01/27/2003 5:53:09 PM PST by bribriagain
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To: Hobey Baker
"Directly after the First World War, there were another three specifically Jewish Communist revolutions in Europe itself:

• the Jewish German, Kurt Eisner, led a short lived communist revolution in Munich, Bavaria from November 1918 to February 1919 (at the same time that Adolf Hitler was an unknown soldier in that city);

• the short lived Sparticus uprising in Berlin (September 1918 to January 1919) led by the Jewish German, Karl Liebknecht and Rosa Luxemburg; and

• the short lived Communist tyranny in Hungary led by the Jewish Bela Kun, from March to August 1919."

There was a very disproportinate percentage of Jewish Bolshevik leaders during and after the Russian Revolution in 1917 and continued until Stalin's purges in the 1930s. The Cheka (later GPU, OGPU, NKVD, and finally KGB) had large numbers of Jewish officers until the 1930s and an estimated (by Ukranians) 80% of the forces overseeing the forced famine in Ukraine during the early 1930s were Jewish. These are facts well remembered by the Russian and Ukrainian people, who show a distinct tendancy to blame all Jews for the actions of a Jewish minority while forgetting their own history of pogroms.

" As it happens, for complex reasons, Jewish vulnerability - to geopolitical turmoil, to the whims of the ruling authorities, to the hostility of their neighbours - was nowhere greater in post- seventeenth century European history than in Ukraine. In 1648-49 the Jews suffered their worst calamity since the Crusades when the bands of Bohdan Khmelnytsky pitilessly slaughtered tens of thousands. In 1768 terrible massacres by bands of Ukrainian peasants, haidamaks, took place. Even in the relatively civilised conditions of pre-First World War Europe, liberal opinion was shocked by the frightful pogroms of Russian Ukraine, especially in 1881 after the assassination of Alexander II and in the period immediately before and during the revolution of 1905. The most terrible massacres of Jews between Khmelnytsky and Hitler occurred in Ukraine between 1918 and 1920. Historians estimate that during their course - which reached their peak in 1919, where some 685 separate outbreaks of major violence took place - between 50,000 and 100,000 were killed and that even larger numbers were mutilated or orphaned."

It's true that many Jews understandably saw themselves as perpetual underdogs after generations of pogroms, and gladly joined the new political movement falsely promising equality and leveling of old social and economic systems. But that didn't take place in a vacuum and the large majority of Jews had nothing to do with it. But the selective memories of the relative Jewish Bolshevik percentages have lingered for decades.

Europe, home of it's own pogroms, saw those 3 tumultuous short-lived communist revolutions and remembered only that they were all led by Jews. The uninvolved large majority of Jews became tarred with the same brush. It's history, it's over, and while it does NO good to dwell on it, to try pretend things never happened would be as bad as denying any other historical fact for PC's sake. But it's a part of a very long, very torturously woven tapestry.

38 posted on 01/27/2003 5:56:23 PM PST by xJones
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To: Justa
Oh yeah, the old Gulag scam.

OK, fine, don't take my word for it. Go to the library and check out copies of THE FIRST CIRCLE and THE GULAG ARCHIPELAGO and read the parts in which he describes the resort-camp he got himself into by claiming his profession was "nuclear physicist."

I'll wait here. ...tapping foot...

39 posted on 01/27/2003 6:01:27 PM PST by Alouette
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To: Nachum
"They were tortured for teaching Judaism. "

May God punish those who did this. I just hope they were not secular jews.

40 posted on 01/27/2003 6:09:08 PM PST by bribriagain
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To: Argus
Now Stalin - there was a real anti-Semite.

I read somewhere that he was married to a Jew.

41 posted on 01/27/2003 6:53:28 PM PST by DensaMensa
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To: bribriagain
May God punish those who did this. I just hope they were not secular jews.

It was common for Jewish teachers and clergy to be imprisoned for teaching and practicing Judaism in the Soviet Union. There were spies in every community. Jews, spying on Jews. I am not sure that I would call the informers "secular" Jews, but rather hateful of religion. The Russian name for them were "yevseksia".-

Joke-

A Soviet officer approaches a bearded Jew in Moscow and pronounces in Russian:

Ahh, you Jews are all going to Hell anyway!

The Jew replies in Russian:

That's OK, I already speak the language....

42 posted on 01/27/2003 7:02:44 PM PST by Nachum
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To: TexanToTheCore
Many Jews felt, as they do now, that they were the underdogs and tended to gravitate to underdog political movements. There is nothing new to this information.

You are correct. Of the 3,300 Jews in the original 13 colonies (mainly in NY, RI, PA and SC) they were (essentially) all on the Patriot side.

43 posted on 01/27/2003 7:04:27 PM PST by Pharmboy (Dems lie 'cause they have to)
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To: PaulJ
It was a common communist practice in the Ukraine and Poland to blame all the crimes of Communism on the Jews, even as Jews were disproportionate victims.
The commies used anti-Semetism as a shield and a sword against Jews.

Jews certainly were disproportionately involved in the Communist PArty, and all other anti Tzarist parties. As such Jews were victims and victimizers.
However, I question the "Jewishness" of any communist.
The Communist Jews like Leon Bronstein (Trtsky) were no more Jewish than Joseph Dgashvili (Stalin) was Orthodox.
However, some Russian communists under Khruschev tried to blame Stalin's crimes on Stalin and the "Georgian mafia".

Frankly, rational factual and evenhanded discussion of all racialinvolvment in the Communist party is warrented. Jews should not be singled out, but neither should they be protected.

44 posted on 01/27/2003 7:34:38 PM PST by rmlew
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To: cynicom
They also then virtualy banned practice of Judaism and jailed Rabbis and Zionist.
Furthermore, Jews were disporportionate victims of the anti-Kulak campaigns.
Finally, note Stalin's "Doctor's" Plot" and attemtp to decimate Soviet Jewry by forced relocation to Birobaizhian.
45 posted on 01/27/2003 7:39:55 PM PST by rmlew
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To: Nachum
You do realize that Baba Yar was perpetrated by the Nazies, right? Besides, the fact is, in the 1920s Jews occupied most of the high positions in the Communist party, to include the terror apparatus....these were not religeous Jews but they were Jews by ethnicity. You are going to try now to disprove or slam me for stating a fact, then I'm going to repost the list I posted last time you did this with all the names and positions...so lets not go down that trail again. Do you think Jews are a blameless people? Sorry to burst your bubble, but they are no more blameless then any other people. All races of man have sinned against God, to include the Jews....all races of men have produced evil sociopaths, to deny this is reverse racism.
46 posted on 01/31/2003 10:22:11 PM PST by Stavka2
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To: unspun
You see, there are two forces at work here: hyper sensitivity and PCness on the part of even conservative jews to any criticism of jews (and for the record I'm about half jewish...and half Russian...so when the regular crowd starts screaming racist or what ever, they can screw themselves) and the second force is a superiority attitude that says "How could we have ever stooped to the level of others?". I find both sickening.
47 posted on 01/31/2003 10:26:35 PM PST by Stavka2
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To: eclectic
Sorry to bust in on your reality, but one can be an anti-Zionist (a socialist philosophy) without being anti-Semite...quite a few Jews are for that matter, especially the religious ones...
48 posted on 01/31/2003 10:30:36 PM PST by Stavka2
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To: Cicero
By the way, it was Alexander II who was assassinated and only one of the perpetrators was a Jew...a woman at that.
49 posted on 01/31/2003 10:35:03 PM PST by Stavka2
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To: Stavka2
Sorry to bust in on your reality, but one can be an anti-Zionist (a socialist philosophy) without being anti-Semite...quite a few Jews are for that matter, especially the religious ones...

Hear hear.

50 posted on 01/31/2003 10:36:44 PM PST by Askel5
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