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French Military Victories
NRO Corner ^ | 1/28/03 | Jonah Goldberg, sorta

Posted on 01/28/2003 10:32:48 AM PST by Britton J Wingfield



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1 posted on 01/28/2003 10:32:48 AM PST by Britton J Wingfield
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To: Britton J Wingfield
I think they won at the battle of hastings in something like 1066.
2 posted on 01/28/2003 10:37:37 AM PST by staytrue
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To: Britton J Wingfield
lol
3 posted on 01/28/2003 10:39:18 AM PST by widgysoft (< Woo and Yay! >)
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To: Britton J Wingfield
BWAHAHAHAHA!
4 posted on 01/28/2003 10:41:09 AM PST by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: staytrue
That was the Normans in 1066 and they had a large strain of Viking in them. But the question is tough. I don't think they won anything after losing Waterloo in 1815. Napoleon won a lot of battles, but he wasn't French. He was born and raised in Corsica. Sheesh, I give up.
5 posted on 01/28/2003 10:43:10 AM PST by xJones
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To: widgysoft
They did win the Battle of the Bismark.....no wait, that was the Rainbow Warrior...never mind. Does the French Minister of Defense have the combination to the White Flag Armory?

Pray for GW and our Troops

6 posted on 01/28/2003 10:44:19 AM PST by bray
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To: Britton J Wingfield
that google thing is great....
i'm wiping tea off the monitor!
lol!!
7 posted on 01/28/2003 10:44:33 AM PST by Principled
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To: Principled
Actually, The French engineered the victory at Yorktown...without them I doubt the Continental Army would have won the American Revolution.
8 posted on 01/28/2003 10:49:29 AM PST by Veracious Poet
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To: Veracious Poet
yes, they showed up in their ships and saved some arse that day.
9 posted on 01/28/2003 10:52:23 AM PST by Principled
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To: Britton J Wingfield
Joan of Arc helped garner some victories for the French.....so they put her to death.
10 posted on 01/28/2003 10:53:00 AM PST by CougarGA7
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To: xJones
It took a Grand Alliance (Great Britain, Prussia, Russia, Austria-Hungary) to defeat Napoleon.

The French army was formidable in the first decades of the 19th Century.

In WW I, of course, the tables were turned. It took the British, the French, and the Yanks to stop Germany. But the French fought ferociously. Think Verdun.
11 posted on 01/28/2003 10:53:53 AM PST by ricpic
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To: Veracious Poet
That's why this is considered humor. It does not have to be literally true throughout all of hsitory.

I am grateful for Msr. Laffayette's assistance, but that France was an entirely different entity than the one that now bites at our ankles.
12 posted on 01/28/2003 10:54:38 AM PST by Britton J Wingfield
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To: Britton J Wingfield; lexington minuteman 1775; widgysoft; bray; xJones; Principled
First let me say that I hate the French.

However, one must give credit when it is due. Charles the Hammer (Charlegmagnes grandfather) turned the tide of Islamic expansion at the battle of Tours sometimes in the 700's (738?). The religion of peace was raping and pillaging their way over the Pyrenhees. They attacked on horseback and ran smack dab into heavy Frank infantry. Charles the Hammer repelled wave after wave of cavalry attack and then his infantry stomped the fallen horsemen to death. When night fell both sides made their way to their respective camps. Charles went to resume the battle the next day only to find the whipped curs had run away. That marked the high tide of Islamic expansion. His grandson went on to reunify Europe.

Of course, I'm not sure that the French are the true descendantsof the Franks. The Franks were as physically large as the Germani and the Celts (Gauls)which is no longer true. I think there was a lot of intermingling in the centuries to follow.

14 posted on 01/28/2003 10:56:07 AM PST by MattinNJ
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To: staytrue
Wrong. The Normans were not French at all. They were originally a tribe of Viking raiders. The French actually had a good record militarily between the time of Cardinal Richileu and the defeat of Napolean. Broken by that huge idiot Louis XIV who was spared the English capturing Paris only by Duke Churchill's being falsely accused of corruption by political enemies.
15 posted on 01/28/2003 10:58:48 AM PST by weikel (The Democratic Party: A communist front since 1896)
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To: ricpic
Kudos to Napoleon for accomplishing what he did with a largely French army. I think it adds 20% to the degree of difficulty (Although he may get some points deducted because a lot of his troops were actually Prussian mercs).
16 posted on 01/28/2003 10:59:06 AM PST by MattinNJ
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To: WORLD SUCKELS USAS BREAST
I think that credit goes to Jonah Goldberg, and the anonymous creator of the jpg.
17 posted on 01/28/2003 11:00:19 AM PST by Britton J Wingfield
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To: ricpic
Germany had WWI won. They had everyone beat right when we entered the war. It was too bad we did the only people who benefited from Germanies defeat in WWI were the French and the Bolsheviks.
18 posted on 01/28/2003 11:00:23 AM PST by weikel (The Democratic Party: A communist front since 1896)
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To: weikel
Interesting post. I posted something about Charles the Hammer but I was unsure if the "Franks" would be considered "French". Any info would be appreciated.
19 posted on 01/28/2003 11:02:30 AM PST by MattinNJ
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To: Britton J Wingfield
French Military Victories

I'll take "Null Sets in the 20th Century" for 1000, Alex.

20 posted on 01/28/2003 11:03:03 AM PST by LTCJ (with shaved underarms)
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To: LTCJ
underarms? what?
21 posted on 01/28/2003 11:04:28 AM PST by Britton J Wingfield
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To: LTCJ
Disregard the previous Tag Line which was from another post on the French.
22 posted on 01/28/2003 11:05:55 AM PST by LTCJ (Speaking of rear guards - I'll take "French Inventions" for 300, Alex.)
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To: January24th
A classic!

:O)

23 posted on 01/28/2003 11:06:45 AM PST by Camachee
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To: Britton J Wingfield
underarms? what?

See post #22.

24 posted on 01/28/2003 11:09:34 AM PST by LTCJ (Speaking of "French Inventions", were rubber bullets invented so their guns would bounce?)
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To: Britton J Wingfield
LOL....that's pretty bad.
25 posted on 01/28/2003 11:12:43 AM PST by amused (don't call them liberals, they're socialists)
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To: Veracious Poet
The French contribution at the end of the Revolutionary is always understated...yet if examined...their fleet being up near New York at the right time...the logistical help provided...the several thousand French troops being there for Washington...all made the difference. If no victory had occured at Yorktown...the war goes on for at least two more years and the Brits could have eventually taken the south and divided the entire country. The amusing thing...is that congress kicked the French out almost immedately and really didn't repay them at all. The French expected the peace treaty to give them Canada. They would have owned all of Canada and the Louisiana region, thus surrounding the American nation.
26 posted on 01/28/2003 11:13:26 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: Britton J Wingfield
Well, if you forget this guy maybe...

Napoleon Bonaparte

Still, that's a funny graphic.

27 posted on 01/28/2003 11:14:21 AM PST by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: Camachee
Well, if you count the numerous frogs and snails that have died at the hands of the murderous, blood-thirsty French chefs.

Now, if Napoleon had put his chefs at the front of his troops...oh nevermind.
28 posted on 01/28/2003 11:15:08 AM PST by January24th
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To: ricpic
True, true. Of course the Germans whipped the French under Napoleon III in 1870. And the French Army in 1917 came very close to mutiny, although with their generals it's hard to blame the troops. And the French did suffer the greatest losses in WWI, 1.8 million casualties. That great blood-letting seemed to have taken all the fight out of them for WWII.

It is sad though, that Napoleon's wars alone drained millions of the finest and strongest young Frenchmen. Then WWI removed 1.8 million more of their best. That's one awful drain on a country's vitality.

29 posted on 01/28/2003 11:19:19 AM PST by xJones
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To: xJones
It remains to to be seen whether France will be victorious in the war it has declared on the English language and which France is vigorishly prosecuting.
30 posted on 01/28/2003 11:20:28 AM PST by monocle
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To: Veracious Poet
Actually, The French engineered the victory at Yorktown...without them I doubt the Continental Army would have won the American Revolution.

Correctamundo. We have only that to thank them for. But the French of today deserve as much thanks for Yorktown as you and I do for writing the Constitution. IOW, none at all.

31 posted on 01/28/2003 11:24:41 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Sure could use some HTML down here.)
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To: Britton J Wingfield
Well the French forced Washington to surrender and made him sign a document confessing that he was a war criminal. Of course that was at the beginning of the Seven Year's War. Then of course, they came back and won the Siege of Yorktown for him (folks, no way Washington could have won without them). Washington never called them cheese eating surrender monkeys for some reason. Maybe he knew more about them than this fellow Goldberg?
32 posted on 01/28/2003 11:26:27 AM PST by Eternal_Bear
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To: Britton J Wingfield
What a cruel thing you have done!

Those poor froggies...

33 posted on 01/28/2003 11:27:27 AM PST by chilepepper
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To: Britton J Wingfield
Not only France was different then, the whole world was different. The introduction of liberal ideologies in the west was a big reason for the tolerance of the Europeans to the flood of Moslems refugees, and immigrants. The same thing happened in the US. I was at a US embassy in one of our "friendly" Arab country one day, and was surprised to see the big line of applicants to immigrate or to simply to get a visa to the US. 99% of the applicants were Moslems fanatics--As I observed from their dress/appearance! Of course the idiots in the embassy are forbidden to form an opinion simply by the applicant appearance. God forbid!

That resembles a German guy wearing a Nazi uniform During WWII applying for a visa at the US embassy, and our government employee are forbidden to pass judgment on him?

34 posted on 01/28/2003 11:36:43 AM PST by philosofy123
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
But the French of today deserve as much thanks for Yorktown as you and I do for writing the Constitution. IOW, none at all.

Very well put.

35 posted on 01/28/2003 11:37:23 AM PST by Britton J Wingfield
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To: monocle
The French will be lucky to hold on to their language for another fifty years. Unfortunately! I like their language.

Vive La France
36 posted on 01/28/2003 11:39:47 AM PST by philosofy123
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To: Britton J Wingfield
ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
37 posted on 01/28/2003 11:49:02 AM PST by Enemy Of The State (There are 10 kinds of people in this world, those who understand binary and those who dont.)
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To: weikel
Germany had WWI won.

According to whom, the Germans? According to Barbara Tuchman's Guns of August, the French fought the Germans to stalemate despite being desperately outnumbered and with only a token British Expeditionary force on the ground. Then the Americans entered the conflict.

38 posted on 01/28/2003 11:54:39 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
I like Tuchman but the Germans had a big surplus of guys from the Eastern Front when the Americans entered. They would have gone the last ten miles to Paris and won the war if we hadn't entered.
39 posted on 01/28/2003 11:56:40 AM PST by weikel (The Democratic Party: A communist front since 1896)
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To: MattinNJ
Of course, I'm not sure that the French are the true descendantsof the Franks. The Franks were as physically large as the Germani and the Celts (Gauls)which is no longer true...

From Nancy Mitford, The Sun King,Chpt. 2, page 33:
"..the French are divided into Franks and Gauls, Franks, serious and rather cold, the builders and Gauls, adorably frivolous, the destroyers of this nation."

40 posted on 01/28/2003 12:01:52 PM PST by yankeedame ("Born with the gift of laughter, and a sense that the world was mad.")
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To: monocle
It remains to to be seen whether France will be victorious in the war it has declared on the English language and which France is vigorishly prosecuting.

We're gonna leave it to the Russians to wipe out French. Somebody finally told Putin that his name is pronounced like the French word “Putain”, which means a cheap whore.

41 posted on 01/28/2003 12:08:55 PM PST by xJones
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To: weikel

Battle of the Marne, September 6-10, 1914.

French casualties, approx. 250,000.
British casualties, approx. 13,000.

The United States declared war on Germany on April 6, 1917.

42 posted on 01/28/2003 12:17:10 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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43 posted on 01/28/2003 12:18:23 PM PST by Paul Ross (From the State Looking Forward to Global Warming!)
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To: pepsionice
...The amusing thing...is that congress kicked the French out almost immedately and really didn't repay them at all...

The amusing thing-- in a horrifying sort of way-- is just how wrong this statement is. For one thing, we didn't "kick out" any French troops after the Revolution. Morally and physcially, how could we? Besides the vast majority of support from the French was in material, not manpower. Besides, with La Belle France on the verge of revolution itself, most French soldiers understandably lit out for home.

Second of all, yes, we did pay the French back for money they loaned us. The fly in the ointment was that after the first few installements the monarchy fell and the National Assembly -- with its accompanying stalinistic "cleansing", and establishment of "sleeper cells" (a.k.a. "political clubs") in America-- took over.
To whom it we owe the money? The government that issued the loan, but was now no more? Or the new government- completely opposite/opposed to that which okayed the loan?

44 posted on 01/28/2003 12:19:24 PM PST by yankeedame ("Born with the gift of laughter, and a sense that the world was mad.")
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To: Britton J Wingfield
One in the "World's Thinnest Books" series.
45 posted on 01/28/2003 12:23:29 PM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets
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To: Britton J Wingfield
Now guys, let's give the French their due. They are not the same country they were pre-WWII. At that time, they were a superpower - and deservedly so. Their foreign legion (even today) was impressive. And they didn't garner a huge empire by being weak sisters. So just because the current crop of french don't seem to deserve the hard won victories of their forbears, don't slam the forbears.
46 posted on 01/28/2003 12:25:39 PM PST by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: weikel
And thanks to “Fighting Dan Daley” and some other Marines, we plugged the gap... and then moved forward.

When I think French military, I think of Petain and Weygand and DeGaulle.

As the French evaporated when the Germans crossed the Meuse in 1940, Weygand told Churchill that Britains neck would be strangled like a chickens. HA!

47 posted on 01/28/2003 12:27:40 PM PST by johnny7 (Maginot Line... come in... Maginot Line!)
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To: 1rudeboy
The Germans set themselves up for this by deviating from the Von Schlieffen plan when they shifted forces from their right flank and got weak kneed and reinforced the Russian front. Moltke knew the Germans had to throw a knockout punch because a prolonged war would favor the Allies with the advantage of the British Navy's ability to blockade German ports and draw on Commonwealth resources.
48 posted on 01/28/2003 12:37:18 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: johnny7
When I think French military, I think of Petain and Weygand and DeGaulle.

Petain was a good WW I commander and helped save France; unfortunately he turned into a doddering old weasel in WW II.

And despite De Gaulle's annoying anti-American weaselosity, he was an EXCELLENT military commander.

De Gaulle was wounded three separate times in World War I (captured after the last wounding) and then proceeded to make FIVE escape attempts.

He then helped organize the Polish army which proceeded to kick the living snot out of the Soviets in the Russo-Polish war in the 20s (a completely forgotten war that may have saved all of Europe, and maybe the entire world, from going Communist.)

And in 1940 he commanded a division, and mounted the only successful French counterrack of the Battle for France. He'd previously strenuously argued that the French should combine their tanks into large masses and coordinate them with air power (particularly after studying the German invasion of Poland) but the High Command didn't listen, and scattered the French tanks in tiny groups here and there.

The French and British in 1940 had better tanks than the Germans, more tanks than the Germans, AND more men. Arguably, had De Gaulle been in overall Allied command, the Germans might have lost in 1940.

And after all the other French gave up and started licking German boots De Gaulle was the one guy that wouldn't give in.

49 posted on 01/28/2003 12:39:05 PM PST by John H K
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
"Do you have any light reading?"

"Well, there is this pamphlet on Jewish sports legends."
50 posted on 01/28/2003 12:47:26 PM PST by L,TOWM (Liberals, The Other White Meat)
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