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shocking propaganda against France

Posted on 01/28/2003 5:05:12 PM PST by PierreEsbaillart

I am very shocked by the current propaganda against France and, in a minor extent, Germany and the EU, which is developing on the American web and media. As we are some "old Europe" countries, let me tell you that some elements of this propaganda remind me of the atmosphere that existed between European peoples of 1914-18 : the Frenchman is the USA's Jew, the traitor, the coward, which plants knives in the back. These are paranoid ideas. Bush has declared "you are with us or you are against us"… your enemies are "evil's axis"… A deeply thought political theory which reminds me of older simplistic speeches. Believe the experience of "old Europe", who knows a lot about the matter, and is not proud of it : your war has already begun, you're under propaganda, and rational arguments don't prevail any more.

France was on the Gulf ten years ago, when Irak invaded its neighbour, and when the coalition was covered by the UN to free Kuwait.

According to the NATO alliance, France made clear during the first hours after the 11th September that it was ready to respect its engagements if necessary.

But with the future Anglo-Saxon crusade against Bagdad, things are very different. The OTAN was a defensive alliance against the Pact of Varsovia. To be an ally of the USA doesn't mean to give its allegiance to the USA. It means, in case of aggression by another state, that solidarity becomes effective. Irak has not yet attacked anyone. NATO should have nothing to do with "preventive wars".

Can't you all simply understand this : as you are so powerful, rich, and influent, it's more courageous for France to refuse to engage in this war. There will be retaliation against France for such an attitude. To send a few planes in the Gulf and drop a few bombs, just like the UK or Italy, would have been so simple for France.

French people are not the stupid blind nationalists that your propaganda is pretending they are. French people know they have lost their weight in international politics. But they don't want to abandon their sovereignty to an other organisation than the European union. Is it so scandalous that they want to be free and independent ?

Well, it's true that "we are not with you". Because this is not a war for Irak's freedom and democracy. This is not even a war against terrorism ; this war will create thousands of new terrorists full of hate for America. A government only makes war for its own interest. This war is for the Iraki oil, and to be more independent of Saudi Arabia, the country of the 11th September terrorists, where Al Qaida money comes from. It's a war to completely change the Middle-East and so the world-wide energetic map. I find logical for the USA to defend their interests. The powerful countries have always acted like this. It's cynic and amoral, but, somehow, "natural". But stop talking about democracy, and the Good against Evil. This is not Starwars. This is not a Tolkien's story.

S. Hussein is a dictator, he has massacred and tortured. He probably owns and surely has owned chemical and biological weapons. But what about Libya, Iran, North Korea, China in Tibet, Russia in Chechnya, Israel in Palestine, etc… ? If democracy in Irak is the aim, why does it become urgent right now ? Were the Afghans free when the Talibans were installed to stabilise a country where pipe-lines had to go through ?

France is a traitor, France is isolated - isolated with the rest of the world except the OTAN. That's what your leaders need to make you believe because they don't want you to know that you have mainly a simple Anglo-Saxon coalition. OTAN : approximately 20 countries with the new eastern members - less France, Germany, and Benelux. The rest of the world : Asia, Africa, South America, the Middle East… And the rest of the world fears you but it doesn't love you.

Is it so necessary for the USA to crush all possibility of counterbalancing power ? Do they complain about the treason of an ally or the independence of one of their own "satellite countries" ? They have succeeded in being hated by the whole Moslem world - which owns the main oil reserves. Is it so enjoyable that they now need to invective and humiliate the western European countries trying to build their political union ? Do they love so much to be hated ?

To conclude, here's the dream your government is currently destroying by its politics in western Europe - it was made by an "old", "disloyal", "nationalist", "chauvinist" Frenchman (even a bit socialist, what a monster ! …) :

"Un jour viendra où vous, France, vous, Russie, vous, Angleterre, vous, Allemagne, vous toutes, nations du continent, sans perdre vos qualités distinctes et votre glorieuse individualité, vous vous fondrez étroitement dans une unité supérieure et vous constituerez la fraternité européenne, absolument comme la Bretagne, la Bourgogne, la Lorraine, l'Alsace se sont fondues dans la France […]. Un jour viendra où l'on verra ces deux groupes immenses, les Etats-Unis d'Amérique, les Etats-Unis d'Europe, placés en face l'un de l'autre, se tendant la main par-dessus les mers, échangeant leurs produits, leur commerce, leur industrie, leurs arts, leurs génies, défrichant le globe, colonisant les déserts, améliorant la création sous le regard du Créateur."


(The day will come when you, France, you, Russia, you, England, you, Germany, all of you, nations of the continent, without losing your distinct qualities and your glorious individualities, you will melt closely into a superior unity and you will constitute the European brotherhood, absolutely as Brittany, Burgundy, Lorraine, Alsace have melted into France […]. The day will come when we'll see those two huge groups, the United States of America, the United States of Europe, facing each other, offering hand beyond the seas, exchanging their products, their commerce, their industry, their arts, their genius, clearing the globe, colonising the deserts, improving the creation under the look of the Creator.)

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To: Burkeman1
We were attacked with box cutters not WMD.

so they destroyed the WTC with box cutters??? I guess the Nazies just used innocuous carbon monoxide too. Like some kraft nijas hitting the glass with box cutters. Maybe the German Nazi pogroms against Jews and crystal nacht were of no concern either. So the mob is not a mass destruction weapon either. Gasing people around.

Gees, three mob cheers for Saddam and terrorists indeed. Let us not think and let us agree with their thesis without discussion, no no no.

182 posted on 01/29/2003 2:47:42 AM PST by JudgemAll
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To: PierreEsbaillart
They have succeeded in being hated by the whole Moslem world - which owns the main oil reserves.

Just as the Jews succeeded in being hated by Germans? When did America attack the muslims specificaly? Or the muslim religion? And why blame the victim for attracting crimes upon itself? Isn't it pagan superstition?

183 posted on 01/29/2003 2:51:00 AM PST by JudgemAll
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To: PierreEsbaillart

"French people know they have lost their weight in international politics. "

Ah! and so it is, about sheer power hunger, this addiction to this welfare, this farce of communist power struggle, this nationalism, this national socialism, this loss that the French crave for now..

But as for truth, genuine truth, the Know thyself Socratic civilization, no, that the French renounce, and they accuse America of not having it, accusing America of France's own urges for power, for greedy selfish power and popularity, this weight in international affairs...

That is not France, but Hitlero-Napoleonic view of "France" and "Europe" that you have here. ....

184 posted on 01/29/2003 2:56:42 AM PST by JudgemAll
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To: PierreEsbaillart

187 posted on 01/29/2003 3:15:50 AM PST by JudgemAll
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188 posted on 01/29/2003 3:16:34 AM PST by JudgemAll
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To: MadIvan
For the humor value, I am sure. Monty Python wouldn't be quite so funny if it was mocking the Germans.
189 posted on 01/29/2003 3:30:51 AM PST by William McKinley
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To: dighton; L,TOWM; Poohbah; general_re; aculeus; Orual

Your mother was a hamster and your father smelled of elderberries. Now, go away, or else I shall taunt you a second time.


192 posted on 01/29/2003 3:53:58 AM PST by BlueLancer (Der Elite Møøsenspåånkængruppen ØberKømmååndø (EMØØK))
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To: PierreEsbaillart
To Pierre, I say this: "Blow Me".
193 posted on 01/29/2003 4:03:07 AM PST by Chancellor Palpatine (down with anti-American nutcases)
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To: AdamSelene235
Really, then why did we not keep Kuwait?

You didn't? Funny are all those troops there on vacation? The huge American oil companies haven’t 100% control over the Kuwait oil? And Dick Chaney wasn't elected president of Halliburton; it’s all a big dream... The rest of the world live in ignorans ...

194 posted on 01/29/2003 4:59:14 AM PST by duke_h3
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To: PierreEsbaillart
It's wrong to be French.
195 posted on 01/29/2003 5:13:21 AM PST by Drango (don't need no stinkin' tag line)
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To: Happygal
You are right on the money! Thank you for putting it so succintly.
196 posted on 01/29/2003 5:13:29 AM PST by Rollee
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To: MadIvan
Hear! Hear!


197 posted on 01/29/2003 5:22:45 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: merak
"Cheese I can understand, but snails?? I'd eat a crow before I'd eat a snail."

How 'bout crawfish??

198 posted on 01/29/2003 5:28:59 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: Leisler
Good list, but you left out Napoleon III's invasion of Mexico (temporarily successful but ultimately a failure). The Cinco de Mayo holiday commemorates a Mexican defeat of the French. To save that from simply being a P.C. holiday, maybe we need to broaden its appeal for Americans--as an annual "Taunt the French" day.
199 posted on 01/29/2003 6:57:51 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: capitan_refugio
Good point, and you're obviously better versed in history than I...but my point wasn't that WE should cooperate with them more, my point was that they have NEVER willingly cooperated with us. Anytime they participated in "joint" exercises they had to be drug crying and screaming into battle.

Why? Because the French have a terminal case of the teenie-weenie complex. They REALLY believe they're the only Enlightened species on Earth and it galls them when we show them how irrelevant they really are. Pierre cries and complains because the French are being slighted. Pierre doesn't comprende that they're not being slighted, we just don't give a cacca what they think.

They're like a pimple on a rhino's ass.

I received an email asking me about France helping us in the Revolutionary War. This person said the United States never would've been born without French help. If it assuages French pride to think they're the SOLE reason we won the Revolutionary War, I'll let them have that point, for now, because I don't have the time or inclination to research 225 year-old jigsaw puzzles.

But I will say this...I believe Washington and Jefferson and Franklin and all of our forefathers were made of stouter stuff than that. And I also believe the French were goaded and prodded for years and years before they finally jumped in. Further, blockading Cornwallis(?) could also be seen as just another battle in their on-going war with the British at the time. That he happened to be on American soil when he was blockaded, in my book, doesn't earn the French everlasting gratitude.

200 posted on 01/29/2003 7:04:14 AM PST by geedee
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