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shocking propaganda against France
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Posted on 01/28/2003 5:05:12 PM PST by PierreEsbaillart

I am very shocked by the current propaganda against France and, in a minor extent, Germany and the EU, which is developing on the American web and media. As we are some "old Europe" countries, let me tell you that some elements of this propaganda remind me of the atmosphere that existed between European peoples of 1914-18 : the Frenchman is the USA's Jew, the traitor, the coward, which plants knives in the back. These are paranoid ideas. Bush has declared "you are with us or you are against us"… your enemies are "evil's axis"… A deeply thought political theory which reminds me of older simplistic speeches. Believe the experience of "old Europe", who knows a lot about the matter, and is not proud of it : your war has already begun, you're under propaganda, and rational arguments don't prevail any more.

France was on the Gulf ten years ago, when Irak invaded its neighbour, and when the coalition was covered by the UN to free Kuwait.

According to the NATO alliance, France made clear during the first hours after the 11th September that it was ready to respect its engagements if necessary.

But with the future Anglo-Saxon crusade against Bagdad, things are very different. The OTAN was a defensive alliance against the Pact of Varsovia. To be an ally of the USA doesn't mean to give its allegiance to the USA. It means, in case of aggression by another state, that solidarity becomes effective. Irak has not yet attacked anyone. NATO should have nothing to do with "preventive wars".

Can't you all simply understand this : as you are so powerful, rich, and influent, it's more courageous for France to refuse to engage in this war. There will be retaliation against France for such an attitude. To send a few planes in the Gulf and drop a few bombs, just like the UK or Italy, would have been so simple for France.

French people are not the stupid blind nationalists that your propaganda is pretending they are. French people know they have lost their weight in international politics. But they don't want to abandon their sovereignty to an other organisation than the European union. Is it so scandalous that they want to be free and independent ?

Well, it's true that "we are not with you". Because this is not a war for Irak's freedom and democracy. This is not even a war against terrorism ; this war will create thousands of new terrorists full of hate for America. A government only makes war for its own interest. This war is for the Iraki oil, and to be more independent of Saudi Arabia, the country of the 11th September terrorists, where Al Qaida money comes from. It's a war to completely change the Middle-East and so the world-wide energetic map. I find logical for the USA to defend their interests. The powerful countries have always acted like this. It's cynic and amoral, but, somehow, "natural". But stop talking about democracy, and the Good against Evil. This is not Starwars. This is not a Tolkien's story.

S. Hussein is a dictator, he has massacred and tortured. He probably owns and surely has owned chemical and biological weapons. But what about Libya, Iran, North Korea, China in Tibet, Russia in Chechnya, Israel in Palestine, etc… ? If democracy in Irak is the aim, why does it become urgent right now ? Were the Afghans free when the Talibans were installed to stabilise a country where pipe-lines had to go through ?

France is a traitor, France is isolated - isolated with the rest of the world except the OTAN. That's what your leaders need to make you believe because they don't want you to know that you have mainly a simple Anglo-Saxon coalition. OTAN : approximately 20 countries with the new eastern members - less France, Germany, and Benelux. The rest of the world : Asia, Africa, South America, the Middle East… And the rest of the world fears you but it doesn't love you.

Is it so necessary for the USA to crush all possibility of counterbalancing power ? Do they complain about the treason of an ally or the independence of one of their own "satellite countries" ? They have succeeded in being hated by the whole Moslem world - which owns the main oil reserves. Is it so enjoyable that they now need to invective and humiliate the western European countries trying to build their political union ? Do they love so much to be hated ?

To conclude, here's the dream your government is currently destroying by its politics in western Europe - it was made by an "old", "disloyal", "nationalist", "chauvinist" Frenchman (even a bit socialist, what a monster ! …) :

"Un jour viendra où vous, France, vous, Russie, vous, Angleterre, vous, Allemagne, vous toutes, nations du continent, sans perdre vos qualités distinctes et votre glorieuse individualité, vous vous fondrez étroitement dans une unité supérieure et vous constituerez la fraternité européenne, absolument comme la Bretagne, la Bourgogne, la Lorraine, l'Alsace se sont fondues dans la France […]. Un jour viendra où l'on verra ces deux groupes immenses, les Etats-Unis d'Amérique, les Etats-Unis d'Europe, placés en face l'un de l'autre, se tendant la main par-dessus les mers, échangeant leurs produits, leur commerce, leur industrie, leurs arts, leurs génies, défrichant le globe, colonisant les déserts, améliorant la création sous le regard du Créateur."

VICTOR HUGO, 1849.

(The day will come when you, France, you, Russia, you, England, you, Germany, all of you, nations of the continent, without losing your distinct qualities and your glorious individualities, you will melt closely into a superior unity and you will constitute the European brotherhood, absolutely as Brittany, Burgundy, Lorraine, Alsace have melted into France […]. The day will come when we'll see those two huge groups, the United States of America, the United States of Europe, facing each other, offering hand beyond the seas, exchanging their products, their commerce, their industry, their arts, their genius, clearing the globe, colonising the deserts, improving the creation under the look of the Creator.)


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1 posted on 01/28/2003 5:05:12 PM PST by PierreEsbaillart
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To: PierreEsbaillart

Bonjouuuuuuuuuuuur, ya cheese eating surrender monkeys!

2 posted on 01/28/2003 5:07:25 PM PST by dogbyte12
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To: aculeus; general_re; BlueLancer; hellinahandcart; Poohbah; MadIvan
Shocking Stuff alert.
3 posted on 01/28/2003 5:08:17 PM PST by dighton
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To: PierreEsbaillart
There's too much unreadable Froggish in your post. It may require Le Zot

In the meantime, I shall taunt you with a Big Mac.

4 posted on 01/28/2003 5:08:21 PM PST by Redcloak (Tag, you're it!)
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To: PierreEsbaillart
The French are just cheese eating surrender monkeys. What's the problem?
5 posted on 01/28/2003 5:09:05 PM PST by go star go
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To: PierreEsbaillart; hchutch; Admin Moderator
SKYBIRD SKYBIRD DO NOT ANSWER

SKYBIRD SKYBIRD DO NOT ANSWER

EMERGENCY ACTION MESSAGE FOLLOWS

CODE WORD: JERICHO
DESIGNATOR: COTTONMOUTH
DAY WORD: TRINITY

ZOT ZOT ZOT

EMERGENCY ACTION MESSAGE ENDS


6 posted on 01/28/2003 5:09:11 PM PST by Poohbah (Four thousand throats may be cut in a single night by a running man -- Kahless the Unforgettable)
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To: PierreEsbaillart
Sacre' zot!
7 posted on 01/28/2003 5:09:31 PM PST by clintonh8r (It's better to be feared than to be respected.)
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To: dighton

Shocking, I say


8 posted on 01/28/2003 5:10:14 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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Fire up the 'lectrified squirt gun...
9 posted on 01/28/2003 5:10:39 PM PST by Redcloak (Tag, you're it!)
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To: PierreEsbaillart
French people are not the stupid blind nationalists that your propaganda is pretending they are.

I don't recall anyone saying that. We said they were smelly cowards that drop their guns.

10 posted on 01/28/2003 5:10:54 PM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: PierreEsbaillart
The answer to this moron's problem is right there in the Hugo quote! Which part of "clearing the globe, colonising the deserts" does he not understand?
11 posted on 01/28/2003 5:11:19 PM PST by Henk
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To: PierreEsbaillart
Q. Why did they ban fireworks at Euro-Disney?

A. 'Cause evertime they went off, the French would try and surrender.

12 posted on 01/28/2003 5:11:29 PM PST by Drango (don't need no stinkin' tag line)
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To: dogbyte12
bla bla bla

BTW, it's the Palestinians in Israel not the other way around. Why not learn some history on the subject and alleviate your burdensome ignorance.

FReegards
13 posted on 01/28/2003 5:11:51 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead
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To: PierreEsbaillart
the Frenchman is the USA's Jew

The Jew is still the Frenchman's Jew.

Rever la Palestina, an unbridled love for Yasser Arafat, Thierry Meyssan... the list goes on and on.

14 posted on 01/28/2003 5:12:08 PM PST by xm177e2 (smile) :-)
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To: Richard Kimball
I don't know... maybe we misunderstand the French... maybe they drop their guns and run because they're drunk from all the wine...
15 posted on 01/28/2003 5:12:47 PM PST by go star go
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To: Drango
The french government fell today when Chirac surrendered to a tourist couple from Dusseldorf.

Why are the roads in Paris lined with trees?
A: So the Germans can march in the shade.

And to quote Al Bundy: "It is good to hate the french"

16 posted on 01/28/2003 5:13:02 PM PST by dogbyte12
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To: dighton; aculeus; Poohbah; hellinahandcart; BlueLancer
It's a war to completely change the Middle-East and so the world-wide energetic map.

If we can just energize the map of the Pact of Barsoom!

17 posted on 01/28/2003 5:13:52 PM PST by general_re (John Carter, formerly of Earth)
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To: Poohbah; Admin Moderator
TURKEY TROTS ON WATER RR WHERE IS THE ZOT RR THE WORLD WONDERS
18 posted on 01/28/2003 5:13:57 PM PST by hchutch ("Last suckers crossed, Syndicate shot'em up" - Ice-T, "I'm Your Pusher")
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To: PierreEsbaillart
Posted at 7:05 CST.
Banned by 7:30?
19 posted on 01/28/2003 5:13:57 PM PST by babaloo999
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To: PierreEsbaillart
colonising the deserts

Ok,I'll buy that part.
20 posted on 01/28/2003 5:14:12 PM PST by tet68
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To: PierreEsbaillart
The day will come when we'll see those two huge groups, the United States of America, the United States of Europe, facing each other, [...] colonising the deserts,

So get with the program, already...

21 posted on 01/28/2003 5:14:15 PM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: PierreEsbaillart
"French people know they have lost their weight in international politics. "

When a nation can't lead or follow, then it must get out of the way.
So long, we'll write y'all from the future, for Lafayette's sake.

22 posted on 01/28/2003 5:14:48 PM PST by mrsmith (remember when Napoleon could bar US goods from all of europe? Ah those were the days eh?)
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To: PierreEsbaillart

I f*rt in your general direction!

23 posted on 01/28/2003 5:14:53 PM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: PierreEsbaillart
Irak has not yet attacked anyone.

Besides Iran, Kawait, the Kurds, and their own people (not to mention shooting at us all the time), I had to stop reading there.

Welcome to FR. I hope your stay is enjoyable.

5.56mm

24 posted on 01/28/2003 5:14:57 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: PierreEsbaillart
I speet on yieux, feelthy Americaines, wiss your 'amburgeurs, and your tailfeens, and your zo-called 'soap'.
25 posted on 01/28/2003 5:15:30 PM PST by IowaHawk
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To: PierreEsbaillart
France is weak and irrelevant, when you're overrun by Islamists, we won't bail your butt out this time.
26 posted on 01/28/2003 5:15:59 PM PST by Brett66
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To: PierreEsbaillart
the Frenchman is the USA's Jew, the traitor, the coward, which plants knives in the back.

Actually, The Jews are still the Jews. And France is doing everything it can to help the Arabs exterminate them.

This war is for the Iraki oil,

Really, then why did we not keep Kuwait?

and to be more independent of Saudi Arabia, the country of the 11th September terrorists, where Al Qaida money comes from.

They are next.

It's a war to completely change the Middle-East and so the world-wide energetic map.

Glad you managed to figure that out.

If democracy in Irak is the aim, why does it become urgent right now ?

Democracy is evil. Two wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner. Democracy is what is destroying Europe.

They have succeeded in being hated by the whole Moslem world - which owns the main oil reserves.

Unlike Europe, we get the minority of our oil from the Middle East.

(even a bit socialist, what a monster ! …) :

It is Monstrous...Equivalent to Nazism in my book.

Ask Stalin's victims or Pol Pot's victims or the Buddist monks of Mongolia or the millions suffering from Socialist induced poverty in South America and Africa.

27 posted on 01/28/2003 5:16:40 PM PST by AdamSelene235
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Shocking, I say

heh heh...

28 posted on 01/28/2003 5:16:44 PM PST by TomServo
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To: Brett66
France is sinking under islamofascist immigration.
29 posted on 01/28/2003 5:17:06 PM PST by cardinal4 (Global Warming?? Its freezing outside!!)
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To: PierreEsbaillart
Can't you all simply understand this : as you are so powerful, rich, and influent, it's more courageous for France to refuse to engage in this war.

Let me see if I have this straight. Since we're so powerful, it's courageous for you to sit and watch us get nuked?

Good thing we Yanks didn't think that way in 1944, huh?

30 posted on 01/28/2003 5:17:12 PM PST by Colonel_Flagg
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To: PierreEsbaillart

Your country is the charter member to the Axis of Weasels.

Now go away or I will taunt you a second time ;)

31 posted on 01/28/2003 5:17:34 PM PST by Centurion2000 (The meek shall inherit the Earth. The stars belong to the bold.)
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To: PierreEsbaillart
Irak has not yet attacked anyone

Oh? Kuwait and Iran may have a different view on the subject.

Here we have French rationalisation at its worst. Iraq was obliged to disarm as a result of the Gulf War, a war in which Iraq invaded Kuwait. For 12 years it has failed to live up to its obligations.

Here are some things you cannot deny: not only has Iraq failed to live up to its obligation to disarm, it sponsors terrorism, hosting Abu Nidal, no less, and paying the families of suicide bombers in Israel, $25,000 each.

Worse, Iraq was implicated in a plot to kill former President Bush, and even Blix is saying now that it has not declared all its weapons of mass destruction, which according to the UN, it is obligated to do.

Some crusade. This is the culmination of years of violations, lying, brutality and sponsorship of terrorism. I dare say even Chirac realises that Saddam is a bad person.

But realising this is one thing. Actually stepping up to take the action to remove Saddam is another.

J'ACCUSE!

I accuse France of moral cowardice in light of this, not only in refusing to fight, but trying to impede those who would do the right thing.

J'ACCUSE!

I accuse France of complicity in trying to preserve this brutal regime, trying to put up endless delaying tactics, ensuring Saddam's survival.

J'ACCUSE!

I accuse France of being a thoroughly immoral country because not only are you behaving immorally, you dare to lecture Britain and the United States on the subject of morality.

What Britain and the United States require of France is not aid, nor troops, nor money, nor even your affection. Just do that which is the hardest for you. Remain silent for once.

Ivan

32 posted on 01/28/2003 5:18:56 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: PierreEsbaillart
Vive le vin California!
33 posted on 01/28/2003 5:19:18 PM PST by clintonh8r (It's better to be feared than to be respected.)
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To: PierreEsbaillart
And the rest of the world fears you but it doesn't love you.

Do you think they love you Frenchmen? Don't believe it.

34 posted on 01/28/2003 5:20:37 PM PST by expatpat
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To: PierreEsbaillart
If socialized healthcare was all its supposed to be, this poor man would have gotten the medication he so desparately needs to live a normal life. As it is, I can't decide whether it's the schizophrenia or the syphillis talking.

FReegards,
Slings and Arrows

35 posted on 01/28/2003 5:21:04 PM PST by Slings and Arrows (A conservative's dream: Scott Ritter signs up as a human shield.)
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Looks to me like the Frenchman ran away and surrendered yet again. Not one response on this thread from the Frenchman...
36 posted on 01/28/2003 5:21:28 PM PST by go star go
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To: PierreEsbaillart
I've finished my Big Mac and I've moved on to eating French Fries now. If the French had a collective spine, that term, French Fries, would be offensive. But since they're unimportant weasels, I don't care.

Aren't you late for a surrender someplace?
37 posted on 01/28/2003 5:21:54 PM PST by Redcloak (Tag, you're it!)
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I would be glad if the French didn't participate in the upcoming war. Primarily because I want the investigation into who is supplying Iraq with materials for making nuclear, biological and chemical weapons unfettered by the French, German and Russian interference. The last thing we need is the French 102nd paper shredder division jumping to the head to the march into Baghdad in the last day of the war.
38 posted on 01/28/2003 5:22:55 PM PST by KarlInOhio (Tagline.txt not found. Abort, Retry, Fail?)
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To: PierreEsbaillart
My God, Pierre. It is the time for the civilized cultures to stand against the uncivilized, and this means in large part Islam. You say countries only go to war in their own interests. You believe the lie that it is lust for oil. Americans don't send their young ones off for lucre, but for peace and freedom. Sometimes you can't have peace without war. If you are familiar with history, you know this. So what is France's self interest that keeps it out of this conflict. Economic deals with the Butcher of Bagdad? And for Schroeder, the desire to keep his power. I love France, les francais et les francaise, l'histoire, la literature. Chirac, je ne l'aime pas. Zoot, not Zot.
39 posted on 01/28/2003 5:23:59 PM PST by Bahbah (vive GW)
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To: PierreEsbaillart
The next time Germany invades your country, ask the Iraqis to save you. It's times like this when nations determine who their true allies are. France and Germany have spoken, and many of us won't forget.
40 posted on 01/28/2003 5:24:39 PM PST by holdonnow
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To: KarlInOhio
I say we disarm Franch and then send Sadam there to lead...
41 posted on 01/28/2003 5:25:03 PM PST by go star go
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To: PierreEsbaillart
Here it is, plain and simple. We have tolerated 'terrorism' because we have tolerated the notion of plausible deniability, that is, that sponsor states can reap the benefit of a covert war while denying their role in its existence, support, and furtherance. It is-was the only way for the weak -- the world of disaffected Islam -- to confront the strong (US).

But September 11th -- and the transition to power of the conservatives, who will not condone the self-deception and status-quo groveling cowardice that allows such plausible deniabilty to operate -- means that that world is over.

Saddam is the first in our cross-hairs, because he is bound by the treaty of surrender, which is a contract that we intend to enforce. Others may follow, if and as necessary. IMHO, it will not be necessary -- they will soon learn an instructive lesson.

42 posted on 01/28/2003 5:25:21 PM PST by WL-law
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To: Admin Moderator; All

... galvanic electricity ... the frog's leg made to twitch ...

43 posted on 01/28/2003 5:25:31 PM PST by dighton
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To: cardinal4
France is sinking under islamofascist immigration.

And just to prove how absolutely *stupid* they are, they intend to build mosques for 'em!
Terrorism has made France consider changing one of its fundamental principles of keeping state and religion separate and accept the proposal for the state to fund the building of mosques in the country.      France moves to pay for mosques

44 posted on 01/28/2003 5:26:28 PM PST by GirlShortstop
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To: expatpat
These protesters in Africa don't have much use for the French...

They took to the streets in the Ivory Coast when they realized that the French were trying to screw them.

45 posted on 01/28/2003 5:26:36 PM PST by Redcloak (Tag, you're it!)
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To: Bahbah
That should be Zut, not Zoot. Milles pardons.
46 posted on 01/28/2003 5:26:38 PM PST by Bahbah (vive GW)
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To: PierreEsbaillart
Here's a few questions for you:

Why did France refuse the US permission for overflight during the bombing of Libya?

What kind of involvement has France had with Iraq since the end of the Gulf War?

How much money does Iraq owe France and French countries?

Is that why you're standing with Germany?

Oh - and how do you feel about owing the US for the blood spilled to gain your freedom twice in the past century??

It's ok, I don't expect an answer.
47 posted on 01/28/2003 5:26:52 PM PST by Tennessee_Bob (Beat my guest)
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To: go star go
Don't you mean drunk from all the WHINE?
48 posted on 01/28/2003 5:28:01 PM PST by OldFriend (SUPPORT PRESIDENT BUSH)
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To: PierreEsbaillart
What did the Mayor of Paris say to the German Army as they entered during WWII?

Table for One Hundred Thousand?.

49 posted on 01/28/2003 5:28:04 PM PST by TomServo
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To: go star go
Account will be banned shortly. They know this when they sign up again and again, day after day. They post drivel and then when it gets banned they are back on their regular site citing their banishment as "evidence" of the intolerance that is rampant at FR.
50 posted on 01/28/2003 5:28:07 PM PST by babaloo999
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