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SUN TZU ON THE ART OF WAR
SUN TZU ON THE ART OF WAR ^ | 1910 | Translated by LIONEL GILES

Posted on 01/31/2003 4:22:06 PM PST by Alpha One

SUN TZU ON THE ART OF WAR

THE OLDEST MILITARY TREATISE IN THE WORLD

Translated from the Chinese with Introduction and Critical Notes

BY LIONEL GILES, M.A.

Assistant in the Department of Oriental Printed Books and MSS. in the British Museum
First Published in 1910


To my brother Captain Valentine Giles, R.G. in the hope that a work 2400 years old may yet contain lessons worth consideration by the soldier of today this translation is affectionately dedicated.

This publication is based on an Etext version provided by the Project Gutenberg. Dr. Giles's commentaries are inluded for the benefit of those who are not familiar with the Ancient Chinese History (500 BC).

Etext Annotations Preface to the Project Gutenburg Etext
Introduction
The Text of Sun Tzu
Appreciations of Sun Tzu
Bibliography
Footnotes
Art of War Chapter I. Laying Plans
Chapter II. Waging War
Chapter III. ATTACK BY STRATAGEM
Chapter IV. TACTICAL DISPOSITIONS
Chapter V. ENERGY
Chapter VI. WEAK POINTS AND STRONG
Chapter VII. MANEUVERING
Chapter VIII. VARIATION IN TACTICS
Chapter IX. THE ARMY ON THE MARCH
Chapter X. TERRAIN
Chapter XI. THE NINE SITUATIONS
Chapter XII. THE ATTACK BY FIRE
Chapter XIII. THE USE OF SPIES

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1 posted on 01/31/2003 4:22:06 PM PST by Alpha One
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To: Alpha One
See here for TONS of other free etexts
2 posted on 01/31/2003 4:23:16 PM PST by chance33_98 (Freedom is not Free)
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To: Alpha One
Old hat.......a machine gun can dispatch an army of warriers.....what you need is Lanchester Strategy
3 posted on 01/31/2003 4:23:48 PM PST by spokeshave
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To: Clive; All
Here's a hyperlinked version of the Giles translation of Sun Tzu, posted here for discussion.
4 posted on 01/31/2003 4:24:35 PM PST by Alpha One
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To: Alpha One
My Shih-Tzu is an artist.......

She will Pee on all your belongings.......
5 posted on 01/31/2003 4:25:26 PM PST by cmsgop ( Arby's says no more Horsey Sauce for Scott Ritter !!!!)
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To: Alpha One
Chapter XIV. EMPTY BLADDER BEFORE BOARDING CHARRIOT
6 posted on 01/31/2003 4:26:56 PM PST by PoorMuttly ("Ask not for whom the Muttly digs under the birdbath in the backyard...he digs for thee.")
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Bttt.

5.56mm

7 posted on 01/31/2003 4:30:18 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: spokeshave
Old hat.......a machine gun can dispatch an army of warriers

What is taught in Sun Tzu is not weaponary tactics, but general strategy of warfare and deception. For instance, it is obvious to many familiar with Sun Tzu that China, North Korea, Iran, and possible others are playing the United States like a violin utilizing the teaching of Sun Tzu.

Unrestricted Warfare: China's Master Plan to Destroy America

Proliferation in the “Axis of Evil”: North Korea, Iran, and Iraq

8 posted on 01/31/2003 4:31:35 PM PST by Alpha One
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To: Alpha One
Chapter III - supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting.

BINGO! Bush is trying to sweat Saddam out.
9 posted on 01/31/2003 4:32:42 PM PST by Humidston (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law)
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To: spetznaz; Jeff Head; Travis McGee; Squantos; ApesForEvolution; DoughtyOne
A Sun Tzu ping.
10 posted on 01/31/2003 4:33:08 PM PST by Alpha One
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To: spokeshave
Old hat.......a machine gun can dispatch an army of warriers.....what you need is Lanchester Strategy

The art of war is the art of deception. When weak, appear strong, when strong appear weak.

An army of advancing tanks will make machine guns retreat. Even if the tanks have no ammunition.

11 posted on 01/31/2003 4:35:04 PM PST by templar
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12 posted on 01/31/2003 4:37:48 PM PST by Dallas
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To: Alpha One
bump for victory for the US and its allies...
13 posted on 01/31/2003 4:38:37 PM PST by eureka! (Memo to Rats-Keep shrieking and moving left. Thanks!)
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To: Alpha One
THANK YOU, FReeper
Been looking for a site of this kind for mos...
14 posted on 01/31/2003 4:44:36 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (Just be because your paranoid,doesn't mean they aren't out to get you. :)
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To: Alpha One
Some call it "Feng Shui."

I call it "Bull Shui."
15 posted on 01/31/2003 4:53:14 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed
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To: Beelzebubba
Let's be civil out there 8)
16 posted on 01/31/2003 5:04:51 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (Just be because your paranoid,doesn't mean they aren't out to get you. :)
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To: cmsgop
That's funny, so will mine. Budweiser (his name) really likes to pee on the kids backpacks if they leave them out on the floor while doing homework. I think I've had to buy at least three replacement backpacks thus far this screwl year.
17 posted on 01/31/2003 5:05:32 PM PST by PokeyJoe (Practically new French Rifles for sale...never fired, only dropped once. 555-1212, ask for Fritz)
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To: Beelzebubba
Think it BS if you'd like, but it has been used in military strategy for thousands of years, and has led to countless victories over that time for those that utilized it.
18 posted on 01/31/2003 5:15:58 PM PST by Alpha One
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To: Alpha One
I strongly recommend that anyone interested in the military or military sciences should buy and study this book.
19 posted on 01/31/2003 5:46:06 PM PST by Citizen Tom Paine
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To: Squantos
For your collection...
20 posted on 01/31/2003 6:09:23 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: spokeshave; Travis McGee
Spokeshave ....Thanks for the information. I've been subjected to everything from Sun Tzu ,Maslow to Demming and now Six Sigma. Guess I'll have to surf some of the web sites with the Lanchester Strategy .

Stay Safe and again.....Thanks.

21 posted on 01/31/2003 6:36:35 PM PST by Squantos (RKBA the original version of Homeland Security .....the one proven method that works !)
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To: Squantos
Actually I just meant the snake pic at #12!
22 posted on 01/31/2003 6:41:40 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
LOL ....I think I've seen her act in Bangkok on Patapong Road at "Superstars".....!?!?!?!?

Stay Safe !

23 posted on 01/31/2003 6:45:51 PM PST by Squantos (RKBA the original version of Homeland Security .....the one proven method that works !)
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To: Travis McGee; wardaddy
Wardaddy will know maybe :o).........Stay Safe !
24 posted on 01/31/2003 6:47:01 PM PST by Squantos (RKBA the original version of Homeland Security .....the one proven method that works !)
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To: Squantos
I never saw it done through those orifices...
25 posted on 01/31/2003 7:00:04 PM PST by Travis McGee (--------------VISUALIZE TRAITORS HANGING FROM LAMP POSTS----------------)
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To: Alpha One
"All warfare is deception." Sun Tzu
26 posted on 01/31/2003 7:04:08 PM PST by Jeff Head
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To: Alpha One
Bump
27 posted on 01/31/2003 7:06:23 PM PST by Fiddlstix (Tag Line Service Center: Get your Tag Lines Here! Wholesale! (Cheaper by the Dozen!) Inquire Within)
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To: Squantos
What he's really referring to are Lanchester's equations. Basically, Lanchester observed that as ranged fires replaced close combat as the primary casualty generator, the nature of warfare changed, and gave a great deal more emphasis on numeric superiority.

For example, in a battle between 1000 men on side A and 750 men on side B in the era of close combat (sword and shield), you'd wind up with 250 men on Side A and 0 on Side B after an engagement to the finish. That's a 75% loss rate for the superior force.

With ranged fire, you have a more complex situation. The following example ignores terrain and morale for the purposes of illustrating the basic principle.

Suppose that Side A has 1,000 soldiers engaged, against 750 for Side B. Casualty rates are identical: 10% per volley of fire (1000 soldiers firing = 100 hits). Volleys are assumed to occur simultaneously.

We come up with the following table:

Time Increment Side A Force Side B Force Ratio A:B
0 1,000 750 1.33
1 925 650 1.42
2 860 558 1.54
3 804 472 1.70
4 757 392 1.93
5 718 316 2.27
6 686 244 2.81
7 662 175 3.78
8 644 109 5.91
9 633 45 14.07
10 628 0 Infinite

As you can see, the side with superior numbers gains an ever-widening level of superiority over the enemy, taking less than 40% losses in exchange for annihilating the enemy.

28 posted on 01/31/2003 7:08:33 PM PST by Poohbah (Beware the fury of a patient man -- John Dryden)
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To: Poohbah
Thanks Pooh for taking the time to put that togeather for me. I think some of Lancasters books I have located (aside from this theory) look interesting also.

Stay Safe !

29 posted on 01/31/2003 7:17:10 PM PST by Squantos (RKBA the original version of Homeland Security .....the one proven method that works !)
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To: Poohbah
FYI Sun Tzu is a primary text at the Army War College and West Point.
30 posted on 01/31/2003 7:17:34 PM PST by ScholarWarrior
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To: ScholarWarrior
As it should be...
31 posted on 01/31/2003 7:21:16 PM PST by Poohbah (Beware the fury of a patient man -- John Dryden)
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To: Squantos
BTW, remember that your mileage may vary, based on terrain, tactics, training, morale, and luck.
32 posted on 01/31/2003 7:22:05 PM PST by Poohbah (Beware the fury of a patient man -- John Dryden)
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To: Poohbah
Dang! You're really good at this stuff.
33 posted on 01/31/2003 7:24:33 PM PST by LibKill (ColdWarrior. I stood the watch.)
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To: LibKill
Tables are a PITA to do properly...
34 posted on 01/31/2003 7:25:56 PM PST by Poohbah (Beware the fury of a patient man -- John Dryden)
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To: LibKill
As Sun Tzu would say about HTML Tables: "Preview many times, Post once."
35 posted on 01/31/2003 7:26:38 PM PST by Poohbah (Beware the fury of a patient man -- John Dryden)
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To: Poohbah
Well yeah, but I meant the military theory. I do see you are good at HTML as well.
36 posted on 01/31/2003 7:27:14 PM PST by LibKill (ColdWarrior. I stood the watch.)
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To: Alpha One
Bump
37 posted on 01/31/2003 7:29:38 PM PST by Centurion2000 (The question is not whether you're paranoid, but whether you're paranoid enough.)
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To: LibKill
I got into it while wargaming. Lanchester's good for a basic understanding of the process. In actuality, somewhere around Round 2 or Round 3, Side B would realize that they were getting creamed and would try to flee. Also, most engagements don't begin with large numbers of guys wandering up to each other and blazing away--patrols tend to bump into enemy patrols or positions, and everyone would start shooting at each other while the commanders tried to figure out what the heck was going on.
38 posted on 01/31/2003 7:33:57 PM PST by Poohbah (Beware the fury of a patient man -- John Dryden)
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To: Poohbah
Also, most engagements don't begin with large numbers of guys wandering up to each other and blazing away--patrols tend to bump into enemy patrols or positions, and everyone would start shooting at each other while the commanders tried to figure out what the heck was going on.

If memory serves, that's what happened at Gettysburg.

39 posted on 01/31/2003 7:38:19 PM PST by LibKill (ColdWarrior. I stood the watch.)
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To: Jeff Head
Sun Zi was perhap's the earliest proponent of having a strong intelligence capability.

Opposing forces may face each other for years, striving for the victory which may be decided in a single day. This being so, to remain in ignorance of the enemy's condition simply because one grudges the outlay of a hundred ounces of silver (to hire spies) is the height of stupidity.

One who acts thus is no leader of men, no present help to his cause, no master of victory. Thus, what enables the wise commander to strike and conquer, and achieve things beyond the reach of ordinary men, is foreknowledge

All calculations in military planning rest on having numbers to work with. Without accurate and broad intelligence on your enemies, you cannot expect to devise effective strategies on how to deal with him. What seems like common sense now was revolutionary then, and took centuries to catch on elsewhere.

40 posted on 01/31/2003 7:40:29 PM PST by Steel Wolf
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To: LibKill
And if memory serves...the Army of Northern Virginia was trying to get SHOES...
41 posted on 01/31/2003 7:44:30 PM PST by Poohbah (Beware the fury of a patient man -- John Dryden)
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To: Poohbah
And if memory serves...the Army of Northern Virginia was trying to get SHOES...

Yep. They were a little short on Leather Personnel Carriers. :)

If you ever get a chance, go to Gettysburg. It's awesome.

42 posted on 01/31/2003 7:51:30 PM PST by LibKill (ColdWarrior. I stood the watch.)
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To: LibKill
I remember a commercial that had Dad announcing a family vacation consisting of driving to Civil War battle sites, and the kids rebelling.

In my family, we joked that it would go "OK, Rick, you bring your West Point Atlas of the Civil War, George, you bring your Catton books, and I'll bring my Shelby Foote collection. YEE-HAW!"
43 posted on 01/31/2003 7:53:56 PM PST by Poohbah (Beware the fury of a patient man -- John Dryden)
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To: Alpha One
Bttt
44 posted on 01/31/2003 8:06:36 PM PST by rboatman
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To: Alpha One
I collect various editions and translations of The Art of War. IMHO, Samuel B. Griffith's is the most consise, James Clavel's the most readable. Giles' redux of 1910 has a number of problems.
The worst translation is probably Fr. Amiot's of 1772 in Paris, which Napoleon likely studied.

The worst plagiarism of The Art of War is Clausewitz's insufferable On War; the best is Mao Tse-tung's Little Red Book.

45 posted on 01/31/2003 8:06:44 PM PST by FreedomFarmer (Food IS a weapon...Keep an arsenal in your pantry.)
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To: Squantos; Poohbah
How did Lancaster factor in Viking morale on plundering and pilaging raids?


46 posted on 01/31/2003 8:37:35 PM PST by Travis McGee (--------------VISUALIZE TRAITORS HANGING FROM LAMP POSTS----------------)
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To: Travis McGee
Get yer mind out of the gutter, Travis :o)

He didn't. He assumed, to keep the math manageable, that one combatant equals one combatant.
47 posted on 01/31/2003 8:39:54 PM PST by Poohbah (Beware the fury of a patient man -- John Dryden)
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To: Poohbah
I just found the Viking Babe over on Full-Auto.com and had to share!
48 posted on 01/31/2003 8:45:23 PM PST by Travis McGee (DICTATORS LOVE PACIFISTS: THEY ARE THE EASIEST TO KILL.)
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To: Squantos
Naaah, you were drunk that night..
It was in Pattaya (sp) - and the girl had a twin sister...
You thought you were seeing double, and passed out....

They "revived" you...
Now, do you remember??

Semper Fi
49 posted on 01/31/2003 8:54:02 PM PST by river rat (Help save the planet ...... Work toward the extinction of Jihadists....ARM THYSELF)
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To: river rat
LOL !......Sawahdi Pooh ying, Sway Mock Mock ......red note ?? 5 Bhat , Sandalwood soap.... iced coffee.... twofer's ??!! or something to that effect.......:o)

Stay Safe RR !

50 posted on 01/31/2003 9:15:21 PM PST by Squantos (RKBA the original version of Homeland Security .....the one proven method that works !)
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