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[AP SCOOP] Space Shuttle Columbia Will Be Visible In San Francisco Area (6AM Pacific)
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Posted on 02/01/2003 5:38:08 AM PST by leadpenny

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To: TEXOKIE
That is very nice. I have a couple of cousins who will like receiving that in an E-Mail.
151 posted on 02/01/2003 2:38:55 PM PST by leadpenny
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To: leadpenny
The first sign of trouble here at Free republic

To: leadpenny

It wasnt a glow that spread back like a comet but it must have been "on fire" because it was bright and big.


18 posted on 02/01/2003 9:03 AM EST by winodog

152 posted on 02/01/2003 2:40:56 PM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angles trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: LowOiL
. . . I have been harping the virtues of FR to a friend of mine . . . .

I do the same thing. Most of the time, about a week later, I get, "What did you say that site was?"

Their loss.

153 posted on 02/01/2003 2:41:40 PM PST by leadpenny
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To: TLBSHOW
The more I read the more it hits home that the bright red light in the center was something burning up.
Of course it could have just been the shuttle itself and it is normal for it to be red hot.
154 posted on 02/01/2003 2:45:59 PM PST by winodog
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To: leadpenny
this thread connects to that post 18

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/834060/posts?page=16
155 posted on 02/01/2003 2:46:15 PM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angles trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: winodog
You were there and you annouced this tragedy that was to be.
156 posted on 02/01/2003 2:47:14 PM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angles trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: TLBSHOW; winodog
Yes, I think winodog was probably seeing some trouble at the time but that comment was in response to me asking if the Columbia was glowing. I had just figured the heat shield was getting warm on re-entry. As we went back and looked at it later we both think something was happening over Nevada and maybe even California. The latest news conference kinda confirms this, I think.
157 posted on 02/01/2003 2:48:07 PM PST by leadpenny
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To: leadpenny
God Almighty, this thread is fascinating. I heard of the tragedy on FR - while local/national news agencies here didn´t react. Five minutes after hearing on FR that something was wrong, I could read it in the news here.

158 posted on 02/01/2003 2:50:55 PM PST by Michael81Dus (Proud to be German, but not to be represented by Gerhard Schröder)
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To: leadpenny
I didn't see anything that I didn't expect to see - it was a fireball with a plume trailing behind it. No sudden changes in brightness - nothing separating off from it. I was going to video tape it, but didn't. It passed slightly north of me - I'm at Shaver Lake, California.
159 posted on 02/01/2003 2:53:54 PM PST by Chesterbelloc
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To: leadpenny
He didn't know it at the time that he saw trouble. As seen from his next post but he saw it and add in the report from Cal and the shuttle looks to me to of been on fire as it came in and by the time it had reached Texas it exploded.
160 posted on 02/01/2003 2:55:46 PM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angles trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: BartMan1
>> BTTT: Chilling real-time reading on this thread starting at about Post 18. <<
161 posted on 02/01/2003 2:58:18 PM PST by IncPen
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To: leadpenny
The question you asked was for what reason? I noticed you asked about it glowing almost from the start.
162 posted on 02/01/2003 2:58:19 PM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angles trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: spectre
I feel a certain kind of relief, knowing that I was up and somewhat connected to what was going on. I just feel tremendous pain for the families and many people in this country who are just now beginning to hurt.
163 posted on 02/01/2003 2:58:25 PM PST by leadpenny
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To: SamAdams76
..Even the photos of the Columbia crew look eerily similar to the photos of the 1986 crew from Challenger...Can some one post side by side photos of Laurel Clark and Christa McAuliffe..They look like sisters!
164 posted on 02/01/2003 2:59:20 PM PST by jaz.357
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To: Chesterbelloc
I noticed the change in brightness after it went by (probaly in UT or AZ by that time). It seemed to go dim for a split second, then brightened back up.
It would be something like the flash the fella in CA mentioned but more like the light was turned off for just a second.
165 posted on 02/01/2003 3:00:51 PM PST by winodog
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To: TLBSHOW
Check my post 19 and it may give you an idea of what I was thinking. I figured it was still kinda dark on the west coast and I do know those tile get red hot.
166 posted on 02/01/2003 3:01:47 PM PST by leadpenny
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To: leadpenny
I missed the new news conference what was said at that one?
167 posted on 02/01/2003 3:02:12 PM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angles trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: jaz.357

Christa McAuliffe (1948-1986)

168 posted on 02/01/2003 3:04:31 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: LowOiL
Now people are trying to sell pieces on Ebay.

They need to be dealt with and prosecuted hard..

Give vultures a bad name.

169 posted on 02/01/2003 3:06:55 PM PST by don-o
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To: jaz.357

170 posted on 02/01/2003 3:07:56 PM PST by SamAdams76 ('Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens')
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To: jaz.357

Laurel Clark xxxxxxxxx Christa McAuliffe

171 posted on 02/01/2003 3:11:41 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: TLBSHOW
It was the news conference with Mr. Dittmore and Mr. Hefrin (Sp on both?). They had remote questions from all the NASA sites and there in Houston. Warnings started occuring at 8:53. Most of these were inoperative sensors in various areas of the left wing and the inboard and outboard tire heat and pressure sensors on the left side. At 8:53 they would have been over SF. This was not effecting the flight and I don't believe it was mentioned to the crew until later. The crew started to acknowledge a problem noted from flight controllers and at that time all commo and telemetry was lost. Houston didn't know there was a breakup until they saw it on TV but they knew something was horribly wrong.
172 posted on 02/01/2003 3:16:28 PM PST by leadpenny
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To: leadpenny
Your initial post, was an important archive of FR history..IMHO.

I just read that there may be some people trying to sell pieces on EBAY? Why am I not surprised? Vultures.

sw

173 posted on 02/01/2003 3:20:03 PM PST by spectre (spectre's wife)
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To: leadpenny
I was half watching and half listening to Fox & Friends this AM and heard Mike Jared (I think) say at 7:59 AM, "For our viewers in Texas, if you hear a loud noise it's just the space shuttle passing over your state." I immediately switched the channel to Animal Planet to catch my favorite show, "Breed All About It".

45 minutes later my husband rushed in from the kitchen to ask if I'd seen the news. "The shuttle broke apart over Texas and they've lost contact with it," he reported. Later the broadcast said it happened at 8:03, CST. It is so erie to think that the talking heads on Fox & Friends lightheartedly predicted a "big noise" over Texas just minutes before the explosion.

174 posted on 02/01/2003 4:14:10 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic
marker
175 posted on 02/01/2003 4:15:58 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Joe Hadenuf
bttt, anyone new here, read the first 20 posts, eerie.
176 posted on 02/01/2003 4:20:15 PM PST by Republic of Texas
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To: Bubba_Leroy
Thank you SO much for posting the entire poem, "High Flight." So appropriate as a memorial for today's events, and a much-appreciated reminder of the use the great Ronald Reagan made of the first and last lines of this poem. I can still hear his voice and remember the impact the beautiful imagry in those words had for me.

There is something so very touching in the fact that this simple, yet elegant and haunting poem can reach across the generations — indeed, across the centuries — to embrace both the heroes of a terrible war and of mankind's magnificent space adventure. God bless John Gillespie Magee, Jr., for writing this poem, and God bless President Ronald Reagan for enshrining them forever in this nation's memory.

177 posted on 02/01/2003 4:32:52 PM PST by Wolfstar
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To: leadpenny
Hell of a day.

I spied your post at about 8:55; and being a fan (not fanatic) of space flight since Alan Shepard, I then went to NASA-TV on line. (No cable TV here - I cannot deal with TV)

After five minutes of capcom calls, with no response, and Houston saying that Meritt Island had no track, I knew she was a goner.

AT 9:15, I went to the kitchen and told Mrs. don-o that we had lost the shuttle.

Thanks for taking the time to post the post that I saw.

And fwiw, I always hope and believe for something good to come out of this. On to Mars!!

178 posted on 02/01/2003 4:35:49 PM PST by don-o
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To: leadpenny
This is the saddest thread ever. Historic. I hope someone saves it.
179 posted on 02/01/2003 4:46:56 PM PST by Jael
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To: don-o; leadpenny
Dittos.....Thank you leadpenny for this thread...a piece of FR history for the archives.
180 posted on 02/01/2003 4:48:32 PM PST by xp38
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To: Republic of Texas
I did, and the early-on observations from FReepers were stunning.

Thanks....

181 posted on 02/01/2003 5:07:09 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: RaceBannon
I hope Abner is ok. She has not posted all day.
182 posted on 02/01/2003 5:17:38 PM PST by alisasny
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To: leadpenny
This thread sends shivers down my spine.
God bless the astronauts and their families.
183 posted on 02/01/2003 7:16:31 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: GRRRRR
"God wants to show that his might is greater than the Americans."

Reason enough to turn them to dust...Break them of their theological errors.

184 posted on 02/01/2003 7:45:09 PM PST by My2Cents ("...The bombing begins in 5 minutes.")
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To: leadpenny
What an unbelievable thread this has turned out to be.
185 posted on 02/01/2003 8:11:57 PM PST by afuturegovernor
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To: leadpenny
I just had to bump this again
186 posted on 02/01/2003 8:17:39 PM PST by Jael
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To: leadpenny; davidosborne; afuturegovernor
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187 posted on 02/01/2003 8:19:20 PM PST by ppaul
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To: ppaul
This was an amazing yet bone chilling post.

I was reading it out loud to my wife when her sister called on the phone with an important message; my wife just let the answering maching pick up the message then called her back when I finished reading the first page of posts.
188 posted on 02/01/2003 9:01:26 PM PST by God luvs America
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To: leadpenny
leadpenny, thank you for starting this thread. I found it late but it touched me deeply.

I know my feeble attempts hardly qualify as poetry but I am going to post this anyway. I feel like I just have to give tribute in some way.

Columbia Prevailed

There are no words
nothing to say
That can describe my heart today
Yet I try, to release the grief
In words...insufficient
Words to speak.

My heart's pain is rich
It's deep
And still there are no words to speak
David Brown, Laurel Clark
I knew them not
Now, they're in my heart.

Rick Husband, Kalpana Chawla, weren't my friends
Meant nothing to me yesterday
Today, I mourn them.

William McCool, Michael Andersen
You went where few have ever been
Not only out in outer space
But,now in the hearts of men.

Ilan Ramon, our honored guest
You made your country proud
I join them in regarding you
As a hero in the clouds.

All 7 patriots to me
My heart mourns, yet still a joy abounds
That such as these had ever lived
And served us well
And made us proud.

You are what America is all about
And Israel too, Our Friend
I know had each of you known
You'd do it all again.
That's who you were, that was your heart
Your DEDICATION is what you taught
It's what you did impart.

May we be, each day we grow
More and more like you
And may God bless you all in heaven
As is His will to do.

Thank you from a Very Grateful Citizen

189 posted on 02/01/2003 10:52:38 PM PST by WomanofStandard (Praying for those left behind, may God meet you in your time of sorrow.)
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To: WomanofStandard; All
Thank you so much, WoS, for those beautiful thoughts in words. I feel a connection to the wonderful people on FR and, in a way, a closeness to the Seven Astronauts as they lived out the final moments of their lives. An older gentleman called into C-SPAN from Texas yesterday just after the NASA News Conference. He was crying and he had seen it all as he was on his way to church. He said he was just thankful that he was able to say goodbye to the astronauts as he prayed for them a few minutes later while he attended a church service.

It is just by chance that I remembered the Columbia was coming home yesterday AM and switched the TV to the NASA channel to watch. Being as addicted to FR as I am, I had to see who else was up along the final approach route. Little did I know.

I will probably send the link to this thread to family and friends today. I know there are other places on the net to get the news, see what others are saying and thinking, and interact with like-minded people - - but, as of yet, I haven't run across any of them.

190 posted on 02/02/2003 1:35:58 AM PST by leadpenny
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Future reference:

Timeline of last flight of space shuttle Columbia

191 posted on 02/02/2003 3:23:24 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: leadpenny; RJayneJ
The same Creator who names the stars also knows the names of the seven souls we mourn today.
The crew of the shuttle Columbia did not return safely to Earth;
yet we can pray that all are safely home ...

quote of the day ?
(sadly)

192 posted on 02/02/2003 6:47:38 AM PST by tomkat
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To: Darnright
A-yep. Our Muslim enemies are nothing if not predictable. This is a good thing, especially on the battelfield when we roll over Iraqi.


193 posted on 02/02/2003 8:04:40 AM PST by Joe Brower (http://www.joebrower.com/)
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To: alisasny
Thanks for your sentiment. We were at CPAC. We heard about the tragedy while at Taxman's getting ready to go to the convention.
194 posted on 02/02/2003 9:18:25 AM PST by abner (www.usflagballoon.com <-- new space shuttle balloon photos)
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To: leadpenny
Free Republic Scoops AP

The Web Gets a Scoop - scroll down a little

195 posted on 02/02/2003 11:05:39 AM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: Indy Pendance
BUMP
196 posted on 02/02/2003 11:16:39 AM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: Allan
Bump
197 posted on 02/02/2003 11:17:56 AM PST by Allan
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To: leadpenny
Congrats to you for posting the thread the scooped the AP!
FreeRepublic is the real breaking news!
198 posted on 02/02/2003 11:23:31 AM PST by ladyinred
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To: leadpenny; winodog; ken in texas; All
This is scary.

Somebody at the Wall Street Journal quoted your thread:

The Web Gets a Scoop
It's said that journalism is the first draft of history. If so, the Internet sometimes affords us a glimpse at history's rough outline. At 8:38 a.m. EST yesterday, a reader of the Free Republic Web site started a discussion thread for shuttle enthusiasts:

Space Shuttle Columbia is in a decent for the Kennedy Space Center in Florida and will pass over the San Francisco Area around 6:00 AM Pacific Time. Route will take the Shuttle over Las Vegas, Flagstaff, etc. NASA has still not decided which runway will be used. Landing will be at 9:16 AM Eastern.

Other Freepers joined in, describing the view of the descending shuttle from the West Coast--then gradually realizing something was amiss. Someone asks at 8:58 a.m. EST, "Was it glowing at all?" The first clear sign of trouble comes in a post at 9:05 a.m. We won't quote any more than this, because you really have to read the full thread to appreciate the drama. But it's worth noting that the first word of trouble didn't come across the Associated Press wire until 9:16, the scheduled landing time. Free Republic scooped the AP by at least 11 minutes--which is an eternity in the competitive world of wire-service reporting.

199 posted on 02/02/2003 11:26:31 AM PST by McGruff (Columbia did not return safely to Earth; yet we can pray that all are safely home.)
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To: McGruff; Pete-R-Bilt
you heard it here first.
200 posted on 02/02/2003 11:27:56 AM PST by glock rocks (God bless America)
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