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[AP SCOOP] Space Shuttle Columbia Will Be Visible In San Francisco Area (6AM Pacific)
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Posted on 02/01/2003 5:38:08 AM PST by leadpenny

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To: McGruff
They were doing massive steep turns, four I believe, and this had something to do with it. IMO
51 posted on 02/01/2003 6:32:02 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: McGruff
Just saw it on CNN, it just broke
up, like it came in too fast?
OMG
52 posted on 02/01/2003 6:34:47 AM PST by Springman (Very sad tag line.)
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To: leadpenny
dear lord....what i heard was the EXPLOSION! not a sonic boom
53 posted on 02/01/2003 6:35:18 AM PST by 1john2 3and4
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To: 1john2 3and4
Are you in Texas?
54 posted on 02/01/2003 6:36:55 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: leadpenny; All

This was the first sign of breakup.
A large piece seperating.

55 posted on 02/01/2003 6:38:54 AM PST by McGruff ( "The course of this nation does not depend on the decisions of others.")
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To: leadpenny
yes...ft worth
56 posted on 02/01/2003 6:40:59 AM PST by 1john2 3and4
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To: winodog
It wasnt a glow that spread back like a comet but it must have been "on fire" because it was bright and big.

18 posted on 02/01/2003 9:03 AM EST by winodog

57 posted on 02/01/2003 6:41:47 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: ken in texas
It's said to have broken up over Dallas. Was it intact when you saw it? Or Did you see multiple trails?
58 posted on 02/01/2003 6:47:02 AM PST by Molly Pitcher (Demolish the Criminal Party!! NOW!!)
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To: leadpenny
You may have been the last to see the Columbia.

I know. I'm not sure if any of my classmates were on this flight... I'll check later once my emotions settle down.

59 posted on 02/01/2003 6:48:06 AM PST by ken in texas
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To: Molly Pitcher
... Was it intact when you saw it? Or Did you see multiple trails?

At first I was just in awe of the sight. After it passed from view I realized that something just didn't look right. Instead of just one glowing spacecraft it looked as if there were smaller glowing pieces moving off and away from it. In retrospect, I realize that it was breaking apart.

60 posted on 02/01/2003 6:53:02 AM PST by ken in texas
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To: ken in texas
Ken, what do you mean, classmates?
61 posted on 02/01/2003 6:55:12 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: leadpenny
Several folks from the Air Force Academy have gone on to the Astronaut program. I haven't kept up with their current status though.
62 posted on 02/01/2003 6:59:18 AM PST by ken in texas
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To: leadpenny
I have said prayers. It takes a brave person to get on a rocket, go into space and come in for a landing at 270,000? miles a hour.
One of my prayers is that the US takes another big step into space. Brave men and great civilizations always move foreward after disaster.
63 posted on 02/01/2003 7:00:53 AM PST by winodog
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To: leadpenny; All
We may already know the reason.

During a mission status news conference yesterday, Entry Flight Director Leroy Cain was asked about any possible damage to the shuttle's thermal tiles during launch. The tiles are what protect the shuttle during the fiery reentry into Earth's atmosphere.

Tracking video of launch shows what appears to be a piece of foam insulation from the shuttle's external tank falling away during ascent and hitting the shuttle's left wing near its leading edge.

But Cain said engineers "took a very thorough look at the situation with the tile on the left wing and we have no concerns whatsoever. We haven't changed anything with respect to our trajectory design. It will be a nominal, standard trajectory."

64 posted on 02/01/2003 7:05:26 AM PST by McGruff (It's a sad day.)
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To: McGruff
Thanks for that link. It almost looks like this thread.
65 posted on 02/01/2003 7:10:18 AM PST by leadpenny
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66 posted on 02/01/2003 7:10:41 AM PST by McGruff (It's a sad day.)
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To: ken in texas
Okay. Thanks, the fellow in Vegas just ahead of you probably saw it intact then.
67 posted on 02/01/2003 7:10:43 AM PST by Molly Pitcher (Demolish the Criminal Party!! NOW!!)
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To: winodog
Well said.
68 posted on 02/01/2003 7:11:24 AM PST by Molly Pitcher (Demolish the Criminal Party!! NOW!!)
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To: winodog
They keep talking about Dallas but I believe they will find things happening as it passed your area over Las Vegas.

Wicked!!!! I was just in time to see it streak across leaving a white trail.

13 posted on 02/01/2003 8:57 AM EST by winodog

69 posted on 02/01/2003 7:13:25 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: leadpenny; COB1; humblegunner; Flyer; dix; antivenom; bobbyd; eastforker; iamright; PetroniDE; ...
Bad News ping.
70 posted on 02/01/2003 7:15:52 AM PST by Eaker (I assemble automatic weapons in my sleep.......no wonder they never work!!!!!!. . . . .;>)
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To: anotherdubya
Ping.
71 posted on 02/01/2003 7:20:42 AM PST by 2Jedismom (HHD with 14 whistles)
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To: ken in texas
So your post ...

Did you see anything ?
72 posted on 02/01/2003 7:20:58 AM PST by FranceForBushInAustin
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To: FranceForBushInAustin
See #60.
73 posted on 02/01/2003 7:23:20 AM PST by ken in texas
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To: leadpenny
The time they say they lost contact would fit that scenerio but I was not paying real close attention.
I did notice that one spot seemed brighter then the rest.
Another thing seemed strange. After it passed overhead it seemed to lose the "glow". At the moment I thought it must have something to do with it having passed over but it "brightened" back up.
It would appear something was wrong before it got to Dallas area.
I must go do some work for a couple hours. I will check back in soon.
Again prayers for all involved, including our soldiers around the world.
74 posted on 02/01/2003 7:25:33 AM PST by winodog
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To: All
I have to repeat myself. Right after the shuttle crossed the California Coast, the NASA spokesman was saying how it was making 80 degree + banks (four of them) to dissapate speed). I've watched many of these recoveries and I do not remember these kind of turns this far out from landing.
75 posted on 02/01/2003 7:28:34 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: winodog
Thank you, winodog. Peace.
76 posted on 02/01/2003 7:30:00 AM PST by leadpenny
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Added for future reference:

Shuttle Contact LOST-No Tracking Data During RE-Entry!
Shuttle explodes Over Texas
The Green Hills Of Earth, Thread for The Shuttle.

77 posted on 02/01/2003 7:48:51 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: All
BTTT: Chilling real-time reading on this thread starting at about Post 18.
78 posted on 02/01/2003 7:56:03 AM PST by glennaro
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To: leadpenny; All
ok, im so sad....but i just thought it would be good for someone in saudi arabia to get footage of crowd reaction....you know what i mean here....would serve as a good reminder
79 posted on 02/01/2003 8:00:49 AM PST by 1john2 3and4
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To: leadpenny
My God, what an ill-timed post! I know you didnt know, it is just such a sad thing to see this thread started...and then....(Please dont take offense, just a bad co-incidence!)
80 posted on 02/01/2003 8:03:43 AM PST by RaceBannon
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To: 1john2 3and4
Ya know, I hope you are wrong but you're probably right.
81 posted on 02/01/2003 8:04:46 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: RaceBannon; glennaro
Yes. I just went back to re-read the thread after glennaro mentioned it. No one knew and I don't think anything innappropriate was said.
82 posted on 02/01/2003 8:06:53 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: leadpenny
I know I would feel like DIRT if I started this thread! That's all, It is a bit of history now, though, the event caught in the act of failing, from a good thing to a horror!
83 posted on 02/01/2003 8:10:31 AM PST by RaceBannon
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To: leadpenny
i left 2 messages and 1 email with foxnews suggesting....you know no one else would dare show it
84 posted on 02/01/2003 8:18:00 AM PST by 1john2 3and4
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To: RaceBannon; leadpenny
I know I would feel like DIRT if I started this thread!

Why would you say that. It started out as a heads up to west coasters for a normal shuttle landing. Something I may never see. Nobody knew that this would become a tragedy.

On a different topic I had to turn off Fox News Channel. Shepherd Smith is on and I'd rather watch CNN. Actually their coverage has been the best on this type of event. It's when they start to spout their political views I turn them off.

85 posted on 02/01/2003 8:25:23 AM PST by McGruff (It's a sad day.)
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To: leadpenny
Well it's been a crazy couple of hours. I had just taken a shower this morning and was all set to leave the house for errands this morning when I saw your thread about the Space Shuttle landing at 9:16 in Florida. I had a weird feeling and decided that this was something I ought to watch. Not that I thought anything bad might happen but I just got the impulse to turn on the TV and watch. This was about 8:40 and I figured since I was in no particular rush, I'd turn on the NASA station and see the landing. I very rarely bother watching Space Shuttle landings and liftoffs and wouldn't have done so this morning if not for your post.

So I went downstairs to watch it as it was being shown on the public access channel on my cable system. Everything looked normal at Mission Control and the shuttle was being tracked across the Pacific, over California, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico and then Texas. About 9AM, the tracking map that showed at Mission Control appeared to have been frozen and the forward progress of the shuttle stopped being shown.

At the time, I thought nothing of it, having rarely seen a landing televised. I expected the cameras to shift to Florida to show the landing itself. But as the minutes ticked on past 9AM, something just didn't seem right. Yet there was no visible alarm being shown at NASA Mission Control so I figured things were under control. About 9:05, I noticed that NASA was attempting to contact the shuttle through UHF. Again, I thought nothing of it, knowing that it is common for re-entering spacecraft to temporarily lose communications.

Suddenly I noticed that it was 9:11, only five minutes before the scheduled landing and the cameras still showed the workers at Mission control somberly monitoring their instruments and attempting to contact the spacecraft. Those people there are cool as cucumbers, I had no idea whatsoever that this was anything but a routine event, but it just didn't feel right that here it was, a few minutes before landing and no communication was yet established.

At that time, I thought of running to the computer to post here my concerns. But I figured I would just look like a fool. When the time of landing arrived, 9:16, and there was still no signs of communication, I became very puzzled. This was definitely not right, even though the folks at Mission Control didn't seem to be getting excited, it was downright quiet in that room. Out of curiosity I flipped over to FoxNews and saw the NEWS ALERT: NASA LOSES CONTACT WITH SHUTTLE.

At that moment, chills ran down my spine. I just knew that something catastrophic had happened. It was so bizzarre. Realize that I had no intention of watching this landing and in fact, didn't even know of a shuttle landing until seeing this thread. What a very weird coincidence that the one time I sit down to watch a shuttle landing, this happens.

Anyway, I just thought I'd post my thoughts on this very surreal morning. It really brings me back to the morning of January 28, 1986. Even the photos of the Columbia crew look eerily similar to the photos of the 1986 crew from Challenger.

May their souls rest in peace.

86 posted on 02/01/2003 8:25:24 AM PST by SamAdams76 ('Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens')
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To: McGruff
What that photo you posted the liftoff of Columbia 16 days ago? I had not realized this was a breaking news story (about the foam insulation breaking away from the spacecraft after liftoff). Now I realize that this may have been a matter of grave concern for NASA since the liftoff. I wonder if the crew was aware of this at all?

Perhaps, and this is pure speculation, this might explain Pres. Bush's somber demeanor at yesterday's news conference with Blair. Perhaps he knew that the re-entry the next day was going to be dicey because of the missing material. Again, I'm just wildly speculating here and there may be nothing to it.

87 posted on 02/01/2003 8:32:45 AM PST by SamAdams76 ('Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens')
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To: leadpenny
AND i just phoned the local talk radios, KLIF 570AM, and WBAP 820AM....the call screener at KLIF chided me for thinking such a thing, saying we didnt need to see such a thing, to which i (gently) replied; "what about going under the heading of: 'the public's RIGHT TO KNOW'?" the WBAP screener thought it was a good idea....
88 posted on 02/01/2003 8:34:56 AM PST by 1john2 3and4
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To: 1john2 3and4
. . . . the call screener at KLIF chided me for thinking such a thing . . .

Must be a member of the local Thought Police Squad.

89 posted on 02/01/2003 8:37:51 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: SamAdams76
What that photo you posted the liftoff of Columbia 16 days ago?

The photo in reply 66 was related to the story in reply 64. It's from today.
I hadn't heard anything about this incident at launch until today.

90 posted on 02/01/2003 8:43:19 AM PST by McGruff (It's a sad day.)
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To: leadpenny
you know, im not sure about the appropriateness(?) of getting such footage and broadcasting it right away, but it sure would be viscerally powerful (to see the muslim crowd(s) celebrating) at SOME point....
91 posted on 02/01/2003 8:44:53 AM PST by 1john2 3and4
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To: SamAdams76
Thank you for your thoughts. I've bookmarked the thread. I had the NASA TV station on and something clicked in me after about the third or fourth time Mission Control tried to establish UHF radio comm. Within minutes, when the long range cameras were not on, my pulse started racing.
92 posted on 02/01/2003 8:45:09 AM PST by leadpenny
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Future reference:

Columbia Discussion thread

93 posted on 02/01/2003 8:56:42 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: leadpenny
I saved this one to disk, having left the thread on the desktop with just the first few comments. Took a shower did some bad shoulder exercises and the wife calls up from downstairs saying "it looks like we lost another shuttle crew". God bless the families who really bear the brunt of this event.
94 posted on 02/01/2003 8:59:52 AM PST by wita
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To: wita
" . . . it looks like we lost another shuttle crew".

Almost my exact words when I woke up my son. I probably said "shuttle." Your pharse is more profound. The shuttle is just a thing with stubby wings. What we lost is the crew.

95 posted on 02/01/2003 9:16:32 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: leadpenny
Sad bump.
96 posted on 02/01/2003 9:16:55 AM PST by socal_parrot
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To: leadpenny; ken in texas; winodog; All
Your thread is chilling, leadpenny.

Reading through, I can sense your (and others) excitement at seeing a technilogical marvel, and then sense your despair at realizing the tragedy.

God bless the crew and the families.
97 posted on 02/01/2003 9:26:16 AM PST by baseballmom
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To: RaceBannon
I know I would feel like DIRT if I started this thread! That's all, It is a bit of history now, though, the event caught in the act of failing, from a good thing to a horror!

On the contrary...I personally find it profoundly interesting to be able to read fellow FReepers' first-hand accounts up to the last seconds before it was known that something tragic had taken place..
98 posted on 02/01/2003 9:29:13 AM PST by Sweet_Sunflower29 (020103... they slipped the surly bonds of earth to touch the face of God.)
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To: baseballmom
It truly is. Like frozen in time. I keep thinking of the families who were gathered at the KSC.
99 posted on 02/01/2003 9:30:41 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: Sweet_Sunflower29; McGruff; RaceBannon
I've met Race Bannon. He's an (I alway forget, Race, is it ex or former?) ex/former Marine who stands about 6'9", weighs about 275 and has the heart of a puppy dog. I don't think he meant nuthin' by it. ;^)
100 posted on 02/01/2003 9:36:45 AM PST by leadpenny
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