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Shuttle Contact LOST-No Tracking Data During RE-Entry!
Nasa TV | 02/01/03 | GRRRR

Posted on 02/01/2003 6:16:05 AM PST by GRRRRR

Shuttle has NOT been heard from or seen on tracking radar since 0800Hrs CDT. No contact at Merrit Island tracking station, no voice comm...DEVELOPING.


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Florida; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: astronauts; columbia; columbiatragedy; disaster; du; feb12003; ilanramon; india; israel; nasa; ramon; revoltingevilduers; shuttle; space; spaceshuttle; sts107; unitedstates
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To: Lazamataz
The left wing was damaged during launch by a piece of insulation foam that detached from the main fuel tank.

Was this previously reported? or just now being speculated?

I am, like all others here, struck with sadness and sickness over this. Willie McCool was in my company at the Naval Academy. This very likely marks the end of the Shuttle program and certainly will ground US manned space for the next several years. Spacestation construction is done, and without yet another expensive redesign, likely signals the end of further work on that program as well.

For those of us who have worked in the space business, for those who know any of the crew members, fellow astronauts, or their friends and families, and for anyone who has ever been inspired by the US manned space program, this is a terrible day. I can only hope we have the national fortitude to recover from this and develop a follow on program that will be properly funded and maintained to provide safe access to space in the future.

601 posted on 02/01/2003 7:18:47 AM PST by Magnum44 (been there, done that, got the t-shirt)
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To: GRRRRR
Our prayers go up to the Lord for the souls of those who were aboard this craft, and the families of them and all concerned. This will be a national day of mourning.
602 posted on 02/01/2003 7:18:56 AM PST by Paul Ross (From the State Looking Forward to Global Warming!)
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To: Servant of the Nine
Here is my question: how long did they originally think shuttles would serve for - what was their "retirement" date?

Regards, Ivan

603 posted on 02/01/2003 7:19:12 AM PST by MadIvan
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
We will suffer losses because we lean into the wind of discovery.
604 posted on 02/01/2003 7:19:24 AM PST by ChadGore
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To: af_vet_rr
People in this country have become soft over the years and don't realize just how dangerous space travel can be.

When I take off in any aircraft, I go through that moment when I marvel that man can fly at all, let alone complete a flight safely. Space tremendously multiplies the risks, yet we do become complacent- such is human nature.

Still, despite what I tell myself, I'm having to work this morning to keep the tears in check.

605 posted on 02/01/2003 7:19:25 AM PST by niteowl77
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To: MeeknMing
Everything OK in your area this morning? Did you hear/see anything?
606 posted on 02/01/2003 7:19:38 AM PST by LoneGOPinCT (From the Land of Liberalty)
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To: All
Does anyone know if the shuttles have the ability to abort a landing at any time during the re-entry process?
607 posted on 02/01/2003 7:19:41 AM PST by Sally'sConcerns
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To: debg
My prayers are with the families and with our leaders on this dark day.

Amen.

609 posted on 02/01/2003 7:19:49 AM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: MadIvan
I don't know why anyone would want the job Of Pres. Of the United States. Pres. Bush 41 is so reflective about his role that he crys all the time.

Are UK tv stations covering this live?

TO ALL: Pray for President Bush that he has the foresight to continue with his mission to rid the world of evil and also comfort the families and all Americans and Israeli's of this horrible disastor today.


610 posted on 02/01/2003 7:19:52 AM PST by alisasny
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To: Smile-n-Win
The future doesn't belong to the fainthearted; it belongs to the brave.

Prayers for 7 bravehearts

611 posted on 02/01/2003 7:19:53 AM PST by apackof2
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To: McGruff
You can't change a trajectory... you have to go with whatever you have... if the wing was damaged, then you wouldn't see the effects of that damage until the vehicle uses the aerodynamic surfaces...

shuttle starts using the wings as it starts to bleed energy at high altitude.
612 posted on 02/01/2003 7:20:02 AM PST by bonesmccoy (Defeat the terrorists... Vaccinate!)
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To: GRRRRR
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613 posted on 02/01/2003 7:20:06 AM PST by ppaul
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To: All
Debris field southeast of Dallas...
614 posted on 02/01/2003 7:20:07 AM PST by OReilly
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To: Petronski
INCREDIBLE!

prisoner6

615 posted on 02/01/2003 7:20:10 AM PST by prisoner6 ( I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered! I am a FREE MAN!)
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To: okkev68
>...but what are the odds that the space shuttle would [--]
* break up over a town called palistine
* in the home state of our president
* with the first Israeli pilot on board?
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There will be dozens
of conspiracy theories
by sun down tonight...

616 posted on 02/01/2003 7:20:33 AM PST by theFIRMbss
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To: All
we can only hope that they never knew what hit them.

may god welcome them all home ...

617 posted on 02/01/2003 7:20:38 AM PST by tomkat
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To: alisasny
Alisas:

Yes, Sky is covering this live. I suspect my radio is going to break in with a news bulletin shortly too.

Regards, Ivan

618 posted on 02/01/2003 7:20:51 AM PST by MadIvan
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To: SkyPilot
It was chilling--they were alive after the explosion.

Balderdash.

The main rocket the Challenger set upon went up like a giant bomb. We have all seen the results.

The astronauts were killed instantly.

The only people who have said otherwise are sick sadists who enjoy hurting the families of those killed.

619 posted on 02/01/2003 7:21:06 AM PST by Houmatt (The OTHER Axis of Evil: The ACLU, Planned Parenthood, the NEA, and the Rats.)
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To: TheRightGuy
Are you suggesting we'll leave the current ISS occupants fend for themselves?

They can return on the Russian Soyuz. The big concern is re-supplying the ISS until the crew can get off.

It's just a darn shame that the US taxpayers wouldn't spring for the CRV [Crew Rescue Vehicle].

620 posted on 02/01/2003 7:21:14 AM PST by snopercod
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To: Moonmad27
I know how you feel about that comment. The sad part is that the news reports from that part of the world, when we get the reactions from Israel and the Palestinians, are going to reveal that it will soon be all too true. It's just human nature.
Yes, there will be a few idiots in the Arab nations, just like there are a few idiots in Israel that cheer anything bad that happens to the Arabs, and a few stupid Americans that would cheer a disaster in the Arab world (or for that matter Israel). It's just disgusting to use a tragedy like this to try to foster a grudge against a particular people. All groups have idiots.

-Eric

621 posted on 02/01/2003 7:21:14 AM PST by E Rocc
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To: okkev68
I know that the odds of sabotage are extremely low but what are the odds that the space shuttle would break up over a town called palistine in the home state of our president with the first Israeli pilot on board?

Keep in mind every shuttle comes home over North Texas.

622 posted on 02/01/2003 7:21:18 AM PST by HoustonCurmudgeon (Compassionate Conservative Curmudgeon)
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To: KneelBeforeZod
>>sad to say we can expect the democraps to be on the hill talking about republican tax cuts/lobbying/etc causing this<<

The current STS configuration was caused by large Democrat majorities in both houses of Congress in the 1970s.

I am not going to comment further today on the design, other than to say that I strongly disagree with posters who say it is adequate or even excellent.

I'm sure when we discuss this at an appropriate time FR will lead the way in insightful, intelligent discussion.

623 posted on 02/01/2003 7:21:38 AM PST by Jim Noble
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To: All
Of course the fools at DUhhh can only think of one thing...

"Shuttle Tragedy: How Fortunate For Bush"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/duforum/DCForumID60/32783.html

"Now he can get on camera with a tearful and heartfelt message about how they were brave heroes who "touched the face of god" (or some other Reaganesque drivel written for him) and lo-and-behold... ALL AMERICA WILL ADORE BUSH AGAIN.

How fortunate that he gets to rally America for yet another tragedy that occured under his watch.

He'll get to play the comforting and wise father-figure. (I think I'm going to be sick!)

-- Allen"



624 posted on 02/01/2003 7:21:50 AM PST by The South Park Republican
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To: Sally'sConcerns
Landing-abort is impossible. It is a winged brick.
625 posted on 02/01/2003 7:21:54 AM PST by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: Magnum44
Unless they can quickly isolate the problem to the Columbia launch, the shuttle program is grounded. Period. It will either provide the impetus for us to get our act together on a new shuttle design, or it will be the end for routine manned flight for the forseeable future. Much good has come from the space program, so let us hope that such a tragedy may be used for good, and will provide us the drive to overhaul everything.
626 posted on 02/01/2003 7:22:08 AM PST by July 4th
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We only part to meet again,
though mighty boundless waves may sever.
Remembrance oft shall bring thee near,
and I with thee will go forever.

And oft at midnight's silent hour,
when brilliant planets shall guide the ocean,
thy name will rise to heaven's highest star,
and mingle with my soul's devotion.
627 posted on 02/01/2003 7:22:09 AM PST by RedWhiteBlue
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To: Soul Citizen
Very loud sonic boom over DFW this morning. This is the normal landing path, but I have never heard that before.
628 posted on 02/01/2003 7:22:11 AM PST by Republic of Texas (Sarcasm detectors on sale now in the lobby)
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To: prisoner6
I seem to recall that the x-15 had gotten to 80% of escape velocity and were awaiting a bigger engine when nasa closed down the program in favor of rockets.
629 posted on 02/01/2003 7:22:12 AM PST by Valin (Age and deceit beat youth and skill)
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To: Richard Axtell
This is a very grave and tragic event. I hope everyone here, along with recognition and mourning of the loss of the crew of the Columbia, also be sober and circumspect, and NOT give rein to wild speculation and/or hysterical accusations regarding this disaster. There is always this short period of time, early in the developing phase of any disaster, that information is incomplete, and often wild and erroneous rumors spread rapidly. There is no benefit, and only further harm in spreading UNCONFIRMED rumors. Any mention of such a rumor, should clearly be labeled as such, with serious caveats against the kind of speculation I am talking about. Let's see what is true and factual in this situation, and deal with the facts as they are.

Very well stated, friend. Bears repeating...

630 posted on 02/01/2003 7:22:14 AM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: MadIvan
PLEASE GET THAT SENATOR BILL NELSON OFF OF FOX NEWS CHANNEL. HE GOT A JOYRIDE ON COLUMBIA IN 1985 on STS - 25. HE'S NO EXPERT ON NASA OR SPACEFLIGHT
631 posted on 02/01/2003 7:22:14 AM PST by bonesmccoy (Defeat the terrorists... Vaccinate!)
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To: SkyPilot
Miles ? on CNN let the audience know that the Israeli astronaut was one of the members of the Israeli Air Force who took out the nuclear reactor in Iraq. Miles also informed the viewers that having an Israeli astronaut on board required us to provide extra security. Pray for Israel.
632 posted on 02/01/2003 7:22:19 AM PST by Ragtime Cowgirl (289 Million Americans Avoid Peace Rallies. Press cover-up bigger than Watergate!)
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To: alisasny
Isn't it interesting...I might even add in a biblical way,,,the number of major events happening on W's watch?

prisoner6

633 posted on 02/01/2003 7:22:47 AM PST by prisoner6 ( I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered! I am a FREE MAN!)
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To: Spiff
It's pronounced PalestEEEn Texas
634 posted on 02/01/2003 7:22:52 AM PST by Texas_Jarhead
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To: E Rocc
Agree 100%
635 posted on 02/01/2003 7:22:55 AM PST by Merovingian
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To: The South Park Republican
Those are evil people.
636 posted on 02/01/2003 7:22:56 AM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: riversarewet
The shuttles seem to have a MTBF of 50 or so flights.
Not very good odds.

Time for a new design. Whether they send the current design up again or not.
638 posted on 02/01/2003 7:23:04 AM PST by revtown
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To: LuvMyNick
I myself, a hardhearted, battlescarred by life unemotional male, feel a tear welling up inside me.

Also the Muslims will take delight in the fact that it was a woman astronaut from India on board also. Many things about this for their hearts of evil to rejoice over.

639 posted on 02/01/2003 7:23:07 AM PST by L`enn
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To: Sally'sConcerns
Does anyone know if the shuttles have the ability to abort a landing at any time during the re-entry process?

No, they do not.

640 posted on 02/01/2003 7:23:09 AM PST by Lazamataz (I have learned, over the years, to NEVER assume ANYTHING..)
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To: E Rocc
Then again, some groups have a higher concentration of idiots than other groups.
641 posted on 02/01/2003 7:23:16 AM PST by Morrigan
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To: Magnum44
Was this previously reported? or just now being speculated?

It was reported and commented on upon launch. I believe it was the launch engineer who said that it should pose any problems during the flight.

642 posted on 02/01/2003 7:23:20 AM PST by LoneGOPinCT (From the Land of Liberalty)
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To: lqcincinnatus
Palestine (IL) Preservation Projects Society
643 posted on 02/01/2003 7:23:28 AM PST by syriacus (Those who attempt to cool the earth would bring freezing death to the poor and homeless)
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To: theFIRMbss
[B]ut what are the odds that the space shuttle would break up over a town called Palistine, in the home state of our president, with the first Israeli pilot on board?

Just coincidence?

What do you think?

644 posted on 02/01/2003 7:23:28 AM PST by ppaul
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To: Magnum44
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On behalf of posters on Free Republic, I post this with deepest sympathy for the crew and their families.

Mission - sts107


645 posted on 02/01/2003 7:23:52 AM PST by DoughtyOne (This grpahic shows the crew that was lost this morning.)
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To: GRRRRR
My cousin in Weatherford said there was a terrible explosion, the dogs began to bark, and the cows were afraid. A gas line had exploded before and she thought it had happened again, as the gas line runs through her place she ran outside to see if this was the case.

She found nothing and went inside and tuned on the television about 20 mins later and understood what she had heard.
646 posted on 02/01/2003 7:23:56 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: GRRRRR
Godspeed, Columbia. May the Lord pour forth his spirit on the crew's families.
648 posted on 02/01/2003 7:24:14 AM PST by Prince Charles
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To: DoughtyOne
Thanks for posting these.
649 posted on 02/01/2003 7:24:19 AM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: Magnum44
Vey sad day.

God bless those poor souls.

650 posted on 02/01/2003 7:24:35 AM PST by Northern Yankee (We... Band of Brothers!)
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