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Shuttle Contact LOST-No Tracking Data During RE-Entry!
Nasa TV | 02/01/03 | GRRRR

Posted on 02/01/2003 6:16:05 AM PST by GRRRRR

Shuttle has NOT been heard from or seen on tracking radar since 0800Hrs CDT. No contact at Merrit Island tracking station, no voice comm...DEVELOPING.


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Florida; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: astronauts; columbia; columbiatragedy; disaster; du; feb12003; ilanramon; india; israel; nasa; ramon; revoltingevilduers; shuttle; space; spaceshuttle; sts107; unitedstates
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To: geege
NASA needs to retire the Shuttle........God Bless

Way true .. and there's no excuse for not having a successor waiting in the wings.

Columbia was built in '79. How good was your PC back then? Even with every conceivable upgrade it would still be irrelevant today.

751 posted on 02/01/2003 7:34:35 AM PST by TheRightGuy
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To: July 4th
Nacadoches. That's it.
752 posted on 02/01/2003 7:34:41 AM PST by July 4th
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To: Malichi
This is more tin-foil but wasn't there a story about competing with China for space military dominance? We know China has been attempting to hack and disrupt our computer networks. Could they have somehow got into nasa's network?
753 posted on 02/01/2003 7:34:44 AM PST by okkev68
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To: SouthernFreebird
Morning Folks. This was very sad news to wake up to here in San Diego. I haven't read all the posts yet, but I suppose there are still astronauts at the space-station? If the shuttles are grounded would they come home on a Russian flight?
754 posted on 02/01/2003 7:34:44 AM PST by GOPyouth
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To: Lil'freeper
Does anyone know addresses of the families? We need to let them know they are in our prayers.
755 posted on 02/01/2003 7:34:48 AM PST by MamaB
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To: July 4th
Maca-something Texas public info. officer is on CNN. Debris has landed in the town. No damage or injuries on the ground as of yet.

It was Nacodoches, TX, between Dallas and Houston.

756 posted on 02/01/2003 7:34:56 AM PST by mikegi
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To: All
Wonder why we have not heard the last voice transmissions during re-entry... maybe there is a radio blackout because of the turbulence of re-entry. I guess we will hear more later...
757 posted on 02/01/2003 7:35:11 AM PST by OReilly
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Is posting and reviewing and discussing DU appropriate at this stage?
Please, please... move onto a DU repsonse thread with that garbage.

758 posted on 02/01/2003 7:35:11 AM PST by GirlShortstop
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To: snopercod
NO4 and hydrazine are indeed hypergolics. But, the fumes are toxic and people should not approach debris.

I agree with your comment regarding the concept that the material is unlike to survive to impact, but outgassing from intact dewars could pose a risk to the individuals around a hypothetically surviving tank.
759 posted on 02/01/2003 7:35:13 AM PST by bonesmccoy (Defeat the terrorists... Vaccinate!)
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To: mewzilla
That would be good. That and the debris field maps should give a strong story.
760 posted on 02/01/2003 7:35:27 AM PST by bvw
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To: snopercod
It's just a darn shame that the US taxpayers wouldn't spring for the CRV [Crew Rescue Vehicle].

The US taxpayers had nothing to do with it. Since social programs get more votes than space technology, blame it on the politicians who put re-election above all else.

761 posted on 02/01/2003 7:36:02 AM PST by JimRed
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To: GRRRRR
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On behalf of posters on Free Republic, I post this with deepest sympathy for the crew and their families.

Mission - sts107


762 posted on 02/01/2003 7:36:03 AM PST by DoughtyOne (This grpahic shows the crew that was lost this morning.)
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To: sobieski
"either they did it and they have a "spectacular" victory over the U.S."

Damn, the Jihadists have a missle capable of hitting a target going 12,500 mph, at 200,000 feet.

We're doomed.
763 posted on 02/01/2003 7:36:05 AM PST by Rebelbase (Rock with Celtic roots at http://www.sevennations.com)
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764 posted on 02/01/2003 7:36:15 AM PST by hole_n_one
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To: brooklin
All it had to do was knock off one tile.

Actually, a well placed tile might do it, but the shuttle typically loses some tiles during flight. If the tile were lost on one of the control surfaces (wings) and especially a leading edge of a wing then all bets are off. I'm sure the entire aerospace community will be doing CFD analyses for the next year in an effort to determine what kind of damage requires repair on-orbit for a safe reentry. Future flights will carry repair kits to fix such damage on-orbit.

765 posted on 02/01/2003 7:36:19 AM PST by Rockitz
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To: TheRightGuy
What I find incredible is that apparently no one can say how long the shuttles were intended to last in the first place.

Regards, Ivan

766 posted on 02/01/2003 7:36:21 AM PST by MadIvan
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To: piasa
How is the crew of the Space Station Freedom (or Alpha, as algore named it) going to get home?
767 posted on 02/01/2003 7:36:22 AM PST by operation clinton cleanup
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To: DoughtyOne
This is the crew which went up.
Any word if any stayed on the space station and others coming back home?
768 posted on 02/01/2003 7:36:24 AM PST by Publius6961
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To: bribriagain
Haaretz is reporting that the Isreali astronaut's family have been taken to a secure location.
769 posted on 02/01/2003 7:36:29 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: mathluv
debris cloud?
770 posted on 02/01/2003 7:36:36 AM PST by ThinkingMan
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To: bribriagain
The voice transcripts from the Challenger event have not been released to the public at the request of the families.

I remember hearing reports that the astronauts on the Challenger were alive when they hit he water. (Buttons pushed and other stuff that could have only been done by someone AFTER they survived the explosion). All of that was suppressed from the public. I always thought that was odd.

771 posted on 02/01/2003 7:36:51 AM PST by The South Park Republican
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To: All
Well at least what ever happened, happened so fast that they never felt it.


That copy of a DU post was SICK!!! Let's hope that someone at DU has the intestinal fortitude to ban that idiot.

I don't know which is worse, that DU post or knowing that somewhere in Gaza there are people dancing in the streets just like on 9/11.


17 years and 4 days after the Challenger. My prayers go out to their families.
772 posted on 02/01/2003 7:37:20 AM PST by txradioguy (HOOAH! Not just a word, A way of life!)
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To: DoughtyOne
Thank you for the picture of the crew....

My tears have been flowing all morning, all the painful memories of 17 years ago returned.

My prayers for them and their families... :(((

773 posted on 02/01/2003 7:37:31 AM PST by SunnyUsa
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To: theFIRMbss
Don't blame the people.

Why not? They are never even interested in the space program until there is an accident. The media didn't even cover the Challenger launch until they found out it had blown up.

774 posted on 02/01/2003 7:37:35 AM PST by snopercod
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To: Semper Paratus
What the hell is going on? I just logged onto FR. Can someone summarize what's happening?????
775 posted on 02/01/2003 7:37:36 AM PST by rintense (Go Get 'Em Dubya!)
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To: Publius6961
Interesting question. I afraid I don't know the answer.
776 posted on 02/01/2003 7:37:40 AM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: Wait4Truth
This is so heartbreaking!

Heartbreaking indeed, W4T. Everybody here is just stunned, speechless in disbelief.

777 posted on 02/01/2003 7:37:43 AM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: George W. Bush
The history of flight is the history of a dream,:-human-kind’s dream to soar through the sky like a bird.

This dream is filled with failure and set backs.
Since the 1900's would-be aeronauts have constructed and tested a wide variety of flying machines, often resulting in death or injury as they plummeted to earth.

When Air Alaska Flt 261 fell into the sea with 88 passengers on board.Did we call for for new MD 80's despite the age of the aircraft?

The shuttle is the best monitored space vehicle we have ever
produced and no doubt the cause of the break up will be eventually revealed.

Tragically, while I mourn the loss of life, it is the price we pay for progress and our dreams of conquering the stars.

We must not lose sight of the goal when we encounter a failure.We must not cease this noble quest.
778 posted on 02/01/2003 7:38:03 AM PST by ijcr
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To: Semper Paratus
Terrible. Israel's mood had apparently been cheered by Colonel Ramon's flight. Now they'll be plunged into sadness.

Regards, Ivan

779 posted on 02/01/2003 7:38:04 AM PST by MadIvan
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To: Rebelbase
Damn, the Jihadists have a missle capable of hitting a target going 12,500 mph, at 200,000 feet.

Don't know if there was sarcasm in that, but I highly doubt there was any way a thug-nation missile would hit that.

780 posted on 02/01/2003 7:38:15 AM PST by GOPyouth
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To: GirlShortstop
I am of the opinion that exposing them for the dispicable people they are is a good thing for us.

But I understand and respect your opinion.
781 posted on 02/01/2003 7:38:27 AM PST by The South Park Republican
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To: GRRRRR
Oh, my God. I've been away from the radio and everything else. This is awful.
782 posted on 02/01/2003 7:38:36 AM PST by mhking
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To: MadIvan
Ivan

They reported on CNN that each shuttle had a flight life of 100 missions.

783 posted on 02/01/2003 7:38:42 AM PST by Don Munn
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To: Servant of the Nine
I don't think the CRV would have been capable of addressing the situation. The nation has never really had a rescue capability for space missions. The only time we had a crew rescue contemplated was during Skylab and a command module was actually created with four seats (one pilot and 3 down from the station).
784 posted on 02/01/2003 7:38:44 AM PST by bonesmccoy (Defeat the terrorists... Vaccinate!)
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To: GRRRRR
Just talked to my brother-in-law who lives in Livingston, Texas. He said he was out in his front yard with his grandson watching the shuttle fly over. He saw the explosion... he is freaking!! He swears there was a plane in the air, too. Is that possible? It isn't too far from Houston International, so I suppose it is nothing.
785 posted on 02/01/2003 7:38:45 AM PST by exhaustedmomma (Praying for families of Columbia Shuttle)
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To: SkyPilot
We shall soon be seeing THIS in the middle east...


786 posted on 02/01/2003 7:38:55 AM PST by ppaul
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To: July 4th
I've been hearing this story about insulation for a while - can any find a story??? I'm having no luck.

Someone may have posted this already, but here's what I found.

"On launch day, a piece of insulating foam on the external fueltank came off during liftoff and was believed to have struck theleft wing of the shuttle.

Leroy Cain, the lead flight director in Mission Control, had assured reporters Friday that engineers had concluded that anydamage to the wing was considered minor and posed no safety hazard."

Link to article

I hope I did this right. I'm still learning computer. :)

787 posted on 02/01/2003 7:38:57 AM PST by valleygal (Please sign www.PetitionOnline.com/adalert for missing adults.)
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To: rintense
What the hell is going on? I just logged onto FR. Can someone summarize what's happening?????

Shuttle Columbia broke up on reentry over TX. There is word that a piece flew off during launch and may have damaged the forward surface of the wing.

788 posted on 02/01/2003 7:39:11 AM PST by ez ("If this is not evil, then evil has no meaning." - GWB)
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To: rintense
Shuttle, crew lost

By Irene Brown
UPI Science News
From the Science & Technology Desk
Published 2/1/2003 10:18 AM
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CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla., Feb. 1 (UPI) -- Space shuttle Columbia and its seven-member crew, including Israel's first astronaut Ilan Ramon, were lost upon return to Earth Saturday following a 16-day space research mission.

Observers in Houston who could see the shuttle as it flew overhead enroute to the Kennedy Space Center in Houston reported debris falling from the sky.

"It looked just like the Mir breakup," said Stephen Clark, a contributor to spaceflightnow.com.

Ground control teams in Houston lost tracking and radio contact with the shuttle at 9 a.m. ET.

"Contingency procedures are in effect," said commentator James Hartsfield.

Under tight security, shuttle Columbia lifted off on Jan. 16. In addition to Ramon, the crew included commander Rick Husband, pilot Willie McCool, flight engineer Kalpana Chawla, payload commander Michael Anderson and astronauts David Brown and Laurel Clark.

Rescue teams have been alerted in the central Houston area and residents have been warned not to touch any debris, which could contain toxic substances. President George W. Bush was being briefed at the presidential retreat in Camp David, Md., and was preparing to convene domestic and military committees that may be involved in the shuttle emergency.

The mission was the first of six planned for this year, with the remainder of the flights devoted to space station assembly.

The loss of the shuttle and the crew comes 17 years after the Challenger accident, which claimed the lives of seven astronauts, including teacher in space Christa McAuliffe. The woman who trained alongside McAuliffe and served as her backup was to fly on Columbia's next mission this November.

There has been no determination what caused Columbia to fall from the sky.

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789 posted on 02/01/2003 7:39:34 AM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: LoneGOPinCT
I worked as a mechanical tech for Morton Thiokol in 1987 (post challenger) and spent my last days there working with the External tank crew. The insulation on the tank is very similar to the expandable foam that you can buy at a builders center. It is sprayed on the surface and is VERY sticky. I find it hard to believe that it could "fall off" the tank.

More than likely it may have been a piece of ice caused by the loading of liquid oxygen through the "beanie" at the top of the external tank.

It is obviously a break up of the air frame (ie structural failure) but until they locate and examine the debris, no one will know what happened.

~nomad
790 posted on 02/01/2003 7:39:39 AM PST by Normal4me
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To: txradioguy
That copy of a DU post was SICK!!! Let's hope that someone at DU has the intestinal fortitude to ban that idiot.

Let's not drag anymore DU spew on this thread.

Please start one, if that is your interest.

791 posted on 02/01/2003 7:39:40 AM PST by don-o
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To: All
I sit in stunned silence thinking about this. These type of things happen and seem to come out of nowhere to blind side us. May God Bless the Astronaut's Souls

I can't help but notice that Bush's parallels with Reagan are becoming spookier by the day. Now we add a Shuttle Tradgedy and the parallels become VERY noticeable.

792 posted on 02/01/2003 7:39:53 AM PST by SteamShovel
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To: rintense
First reports were that NASA had lost contact with Space Shuttle Columbia. Next they reported that Columbia was overdue. Next we heard reports that there were sounds of an explosion north of Dallas, Texas. After that, we saw video of the Columbia, on reentry, exploding and breaking up in the Dallas, Texas area.
793 posted on 02/01/2003 7:39:57 AM PST by Catspaw
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To: rintense
The shuttle crashed rin it blew up over Dallas and parts seem to be scatterd from Texas,to Louisana that about sums it up

Regards
RB
794 posted on 02/01/2003 7:40:07 AM PST by Rightly Biased (<><)
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To: The South Park Republican
I am of the opinion that exposing them for the dispicable people they are is a good thing for us.

Yes, but not on this thread. I'm finding it hard to take on this thread.
795 posted on 02/01/2003 7:40:10 AM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: CELTICGAEL (Celt)
excuse me, I was just repeating what a witness said on cnn. don't jump at me OK.

Sorry about that. I was just getting frustrated with the talk about terrorism both on the news and in this thread.

797 posted on 02/01/2003 7:40:12 AM PST by mikegi
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To: OReilly
As soon as one piece falls off of the shuttle, who knows what it was connected to. The comm equipment may have been the first to go, and any patch antennas, etc. would have been the first things to get stripped off. No radio contact seems logical.

Note to all: Many shuttle comms after re-entry are on open air frequencies. There may be stuff out there that people have recorded off of scanners.
798 posted on 02/01/2003 7:40:16 AM PST by July 4th
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To: Indiana Jones
You said you heard something that sounded like a sonic boom in Dallas. I just spoke with my sister and she said she heard a sonic boom as well & we are 130 miles east of Dallas. That was a terrible impact if it was heard this far. We are about 100 miles west of Palistine, Tx. Drudge reported that it was traveling at a speed of 12,500 mph. The President is returning to the White House from Camp David about noon EST.
799 posted on 02/01/2003 7:40:16 AM PST by nightowl
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To: davidosborne
Du people are demented!
800 posted on 02/01/2003 7:40:24 AM PST by demlosers
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