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Columbia Discussion thread
Feb 1, 2003

Posted on 02/01/2003 8:41:00 AM PST by Admin Moderator

Edited on 02/01/2003 9:11:45 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

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On behalf of posters on Free Republic, I post this with deepest sympathy for the crew and their families.

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Shuttle Contact LOST-No Tracking Data During RE-Entry!

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KEYWORDS: columbia; columbiatragedy; feb12003; india; israel; nasa; shuttle; spaceshuttle; sts107; unitedstates
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1 posted on 02/01/2003 8:41:00 AM PST by Admin Moderator
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2 posted on 02/01/2003 8:42:51 AM PST by EternalVigilance
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May God bless them and their families.
3 posted on 02/01/2003 8:43:18 AM PST by martin_fierro
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To: Admin Moderator
Live Video Streams:
BBC World: http://202.174.129.100/bbc300k
CTV NewsNet: http://ctvbroadcast.ctv.ca/ctvlivehigh.asf
WFAA/Dallas (ABC): http://playlist.yahoo.com/makeplaylist.dll?id=5882
KPRC/Houston (and all IBSYS sites): http://mfile.akamai.com/7882/live/reflector:23961.ram
KHOU/Houston (CBS): http://playlist.yahoo.com/makeplaylist.dll?id=206531
CNN: http://www.itcom.itd.umich.edu/streaming/ram/avs03.ram
FOX News Channel: http://umtv-live.rs.itd.umich.edu/itcom/avs01.ram
NBC; NASA TV; MSNBC; KXAS/Dallas: http://www.msnbc.com/m/lv/default.asp?0cv=CA01

4 posted on 02/01/2003 8:43:24 AM PST by mhking
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To: Admin Moderator
May the Lord Bless and keep the families of the brave men and women of the shuttle at this time of thier deepest loss. And May God Bless America!
5 posted on 02/01/2003 8:44:04 AM PST by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: Admin Moderator

The American flag flies at half staff at the press site with launch pad 39A in the background at the Kennedy Space Center (news - web sites) in Cape Canaveral, Florida February 1, 2003. The shuttle lifted off from the pad with a crew of seven on a 16-day scientific research mission, and is feared crashed in northeastern Texas. REUTERS/Duffin McGee

6 posted on 02/01/2003 8:44:18 AM PST by hole_n_one
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~; A CA Guy; A Citizen Reporter; abner; AFPhys; agrace; alisasny; alnick; ...
Over here.
7 posted on 02/01/2003 8:44:19 AM PST by Howlin
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To: Admin Moderator

This is a photo of the shuttle that was lost today. You can right click view to see it full size.


8 posted on 02/01/2003 8:44:35 AM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: mhking; rintense; JeanS
Fox News has some new video, according to rintense.
9 posted on 02/01/2003 8:45:11 AM PST by Howlin
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To: Admin Moderator
God bless them all and their families in this tragic time of grief.
10 posted on 02/01/2003 8:45:16 AM PST by rintense (Go Get 'Em Dubya!)
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To: DoughtyOne
Notice the missing tiles on underside of wing....that's considered to be normal I expect...

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11 posted on 02/01/2003 8:45:39 AM PST by GRRRRR (God Bless America)
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To: DoughtyOne
Thanks for the picture. I should have given you credit.
12 posted on 02/01/2003 8:45:51 AM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: Admin Moderator
Thank you for this Thread
13 posted on 02/01/2003 8:46:06 AM PST by Fiddlstix (Tag Line Service Center: Get your Tag Lines Here! Wholesale! (Cheaper by the Dozen!) Inquire Within)
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To: Admin Moderator
is it your intent to make this thread a forum exclusively for the shuttle tragedy ?

wasn't really clear on the other thread if you wanted the DUmbass trash left over there, or brought over here ...

it's also possible i'm not reading too well at the moment

14 posted on 02/01/2003 8:46:10 AM PST by tomkat (august)
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To: Admin Moderator
Oh God, our help in ages past,
Our hope for years to come,
Please bear our Columbia astronauts
Safely to their eternal home.

Amen.
15 posted on 02/01/2003 8:46:49 AM PST by exit82
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To: Howlin
Yep. If showed more detail of the pieces as the shuttle disintegrated.

If the shuttle was spinning out of control (as the one of the FNC amateur videos clearly shows to me), then odds are the crew was unable to correct it (meaning they could have already died due to internal failures such as pressure, oxygen, etc.)

16 posted on 02/01/2003 8:47:38 AM PST by rintense (Go Get 'Em Dubya!)
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To: Admin Moderator
My prayers go out to the families.

I had the privilege of talking to the Columbia Astronauts a few years ago. C-Span actually linked up a line for calls. I asked them a question and wished them well.

We will be praying in church for the families tomorrow.
17 posted on 02/01/2003 8:48:08 AM PST by MKJust
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To: Admin Moderator
Probably has been posted , but I wiil do it again anyway:

Here is the link to the weather radar loop showing the debris cloud:

http://www.srh.noaa.gov/radar/loop/DS.p19r0/si.kshv.shtml
18 posted on 02/01/2003 8:48:32 AM PST by Lokibob
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To: rintense
I'm looking for it.
19 posted on 02/01/2003 8:48:39 AM PST by Howlin
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To: GRRRRR
From the other thred:

Story here:

Crack issue not settled, but shuttle chief optimistic Columbia will launch on time

By Chris Kridler
FLORIDA TODAY

CAPE CANAVERAL -- Shuttle managers aren't yet satisfied with tests on parts like one that was cracked in Discovery, but the shuttle program chief is optimistic Columbia will launch Jan. 16 as scheduled. "The shuttle is OK to fly in every other respect," said Jessica Rye, a spokeswoman for shuttle contractor United Space Alliance. "But a decision on whether the parts are safe won't come until a review Tuesday."

Shuttle mission managers held a formal launch readiness review on Thursday at Kennedy Space Center, but they decided more testing was needed before Columbia is cleared for launch, shuttle program manager Ron Dittemore said.

"We don't have any real indications that look like this is going to be a show-stopper for us," he said.

Shuttle managers will review data from tests Sunday afternoon to make sure they are ready to proceed with the countdown, which gets under way overnight Sunday. The crew goes into quarantine today and will fly into Kennedy Space Center on Sunday.

The cracked part was a ball in a support inside a liquid oxygen line in Discovery, found during the orbiter's continuing overhaul. Inspectors found no cracks in Columbia, Atlantis or Endeavour.

There are three sizes of balls in liquid oxygen and hydrogen line supports, called ball strut tie rod assemblies. They range from 2 1/4 inches to 1 1/4 inches, and there are 18 in each shuttle.

Since Columbia is on the launch pad, shuttle managers hope to avoid inspecting it, which could cause a launch delay. Instead, they want to be sure that even if any of the balls are cracked, they won't pose a danger to the orbiter.

Laboratory tests were used to induce surface cracks in spare parts, and engineers experienced with similar problems -- namely, the cracked fuel-pipe liners that grounded the fleet last summer -- found their expertise useful in analyzing the balls, Dittemore said.

"The most likely scenario is that we have a ball in a vehicle that has a small surface defect, and that, under load, over time, has propagated into a small crack," he said.

New inspection techniques found small defects in spare balls that were missed two decades ago when the shuttles were put into operation, he said.

There are no immediate plans to remove the cracked ball from Discovery, he said, but NASA will have to evaluate whether some balls should be replaced if the shuttles are expected to fly for 20 more years. < /end of story >

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This story says cracks weren't found in Columbia, but Columbia wasn't even inspected.

20 posted on 02/01/2003 8:48:41 AM PST by ksen (HHD)
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To: hole_n_one
I urge everyone to fly their flag today.


21 posted on 02/01/2003 8:48:44 AM PST by Hillary's Lovely Legs (Happy people live longer. I plan on living forever)
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To: Lokibob
That is totally amazing.
22 posted on 02/01/2003 8:49:07 AM PST by Howlin
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To: Admin Moderator
Don't be silly. I'd have left my name off of it if I could have.
23 posted on 02/01/2003 8:49:18 AM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: exit82

24 posted on 02/01/2003 8:49:50 AM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: DoughtyOne
It was a nice thing to do.
25 posted on 02/01/2003 8:49:53 AM PST by Howlin
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To: GRRRRR
Shuttles shed tiles like snakes shed scales. Loss and replacement is normal, and the craft can stand the loss of a few tiles. How many shuttles we have left?
26 posted on 02/01/2003 8:50:22 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: rintense
then odds are the crew was unable to correct it

Yeah, its all computer controlled. If it started into a spin with those aerodynamic pressures it probably would have started tearing apart before anybody could even react.
27 posted on 02/01/2003 8:50:39 AM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: ksen
Those lines were unlikely to be involved with this morning's disaster.
28 posted on 02/01/2003 8:50:45 AM PST by bonesmccoy (Defeat the terrorists... Vaccinate!)
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
Thanks for the reminder, HLL. I can't get mine up due to my shoulder, but will ask a friend to help.

FNC said that the shuttle was completely overhauled in the past year. You can bet that the list of folks who worked on the shuttle in that time is on it's way to the FBI, just to be thorough.

29 posted on 02/01/2003 8:50:47 AM PST by rintense (Go Get 'Em Dubya!)
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
I urge everyone to fly their flag today

ours went up about 20mins ago.
i'd join in urging the rest of you to do the same ...

30 posted on 02/01/2003 8:51:04 AM PST by tomkat (august)
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To: Pete-R-Bilt
over here. look at the loop lokibob posted.
31 posted on 02/01/2003 8:51:45 AM PST by glock rocks (God bless America)
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To: Howlin

Click here for “Taps”


Rest in Peace...

32 posted on 02/01/2003 8:51:47 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (9 out of 10 Republicans agree: Bush IS a Genius !!)
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To: mhking; All
Here is another radar time loop of that area. The time shown is Greenwich Time. (link)
33 posted on 02/01/2003 8:52:03 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Stamp out Freepathons! Stop being a Freep Loader! Become a monthly donor!)
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To: DoughtyOne
Thanks for the pictures you have been posting on here today!

You are the best!
34 posted on 02/01/2003 8:52:21 AM PST by PhiKapMom (Bush/Cheney 2004)
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To: Howlin
Here's another story from December 14, 2002:

Workers find crack in shuttle Discovery, prompting possible inspection of entire fleet

By John Kelly
FLORIDA TODAY

CAPE CANAVERAL -- Workers overhauling shuttle Discovery found a cracked ball joint inside a liquid oxygen pipe late Tuesday night, prompting NASA to look at Atlantis and Endeavour to see whether the problem exists throughout the fleet.

Shuttle program managers at Johnson Space Center in Houston so far have decided not to inspect the plumbing in Columbia, which was rolled out to the pad Monday for a Jan. 16 launch. NASA does not expect to find such a crack in Columbia, which two years ago underwent the same kind of overhaul that Discovery is being subjected to this year.

However, if the same ball joint is found damaged in the checks of Atlantis or Endeavour, shuttle managers could change their minds.

Inspection of Columbia would be difficult, if not impossible, while it sits vertically on its mobile launch platform. A decision to roll the shuttle back from the launch pad to inspect or repair parts inside Columbia's fuel pipes would delay the 16-day scientific mission.

"The only reason to go inspect Columbia right now is if you needed to clear it for flight," NASA spokesman James Hartsfield said. "That's not the situation right now."

Discovery has been garaged at Kennedy Space Center since summer, undergoing major maintenance and modification as other orbiters have in recent years. The earliest it could possibly fly again is November 2003. The other two orbiters are set to fly in March and May and inspections can be done easily without intruding on other flight preparations.

The cracked ball joint in Discovery is 2.25 inches across. It's part of a flexible joint assembly that provides internal support to a 17-inch pipe, one of several giant pipes that deliver super-cold liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen to the shuttle's three main engines. Any issues in the shuttles' main propulsion system are treated as critical safety issues because of the potential for catastrophic failure during launch.

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The previous story I posted was from 1/9/03.

35 posted on 02/01/2003 8:52:21 AM PST by ksen (HHD)
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
My Betsy Ross went up shortly after.
36 posted on 02/01/2003 8:52:25 AM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: Mamzelle
Yep. For some reason, I'm reminded of the Payne Stewart plane accident...
37 posted on 02/01/2003 8:52:50 AM PST by rintense (Go Get 'Em Dubya!)
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To: Lokibob; Admin Moderator
That radar map is sort of "trippy" looking. What is it showing?

Thanks for the DU free zone!! :)

38 posted on 02/01/2003 8:53:24 AM PST by exhaustedmomma (Praying for families of Columbia Shuttle)
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39 posted on 02/01/2003 8:54:02 AM PST by ChadGore
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To: bonesmccoy
Those lines were unlikely to be involved with this morning's disaster.

I hope you're right....

40 posted on 02/01/2003 8:54:07 AM PST by ksen (HHD)
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To: All
OFFICIAL WORD THAT THE SHUTTLE IS GONE! JUST ON FOX!
41 posted on 02/01/2003 8:54:23 AM PST by areafiftyone (The U.N. is now officially irrelevant! The building is for Sale!!!)
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To: MeeknMing
Are you in Farmer's Branch? Any word on debris in the area?
42 posted on 02/01/2003 8:54:48 AM PST by Republic of Texas
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To: Admin Moderator
I asked my family about something I read on the other thread, and they blew me off. What do you all think: Why is the President returning from Camp David to the WH via car rather than Marine 1?
43 posted on 02/01/2003 8:55:03 AM PST by hispanarepublicana
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To: Howlin
Today is Chinese New Year's. Ming was so sad to hear this news. So sad....

I printed off the picture of the people on the shuttle and showed to her and her son Yujing...

44 posted on 02/01/2003 8:55:08 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (9 out of 10 Republicans agree: Bush IS a Genius !!)
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To: Howlin
It's pretty awful.
45 posted on 02/01/2003 8:55:48 AM PST by hchutch ("Last suckers crossed, Syndicate shot'em up" - Ice-T, "I'm Your Pusher")
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To: hispanarepublicana
I heard due to fog.
46 posted on 02/01/2003 8:55:52 AM PST by Republic of Texas
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To: areafiftyone
NBC: US Spy satellites have cataloged what they are now saying was an explosion.
47 posted on 02/01/2003 8:56:05 AM PST by July 4th
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To: hispanarepublicana
Fog in the Washington dc area.
48 posted on 02/01/2003 8:56:15 AM PST by Lokibob
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To: hchutch
I don't even know what to say anymore. I'm trying to read the threads and find out what people think might have happened.
49 posted on 02/01/2003 8:56:24 AM PST by Howlin
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To: hispanarepublicana
I'd assume it's so he can discuss the issue with his team. He'd have more time traveling via car than air to do this.
50 posted on 02/01/2003 8:56:40 AM PST by rintense (Go Get 'Em Dubya!)
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