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Debris Photos (GRAPHIC)
Yahoo News photos ^ | 2/2/03 | freepers

Posted on 02/02/2003 7:34:59 AM PST by Mark Felton

Edited on 02/02/2003 12:51:23 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

[Your attention please. This thread has generated a ton of abuse reports. Some have been from long established freepers. Others have been from relative newbies. Some have been complaining about the thread. Others have been complaining about the complainers.

Throw on top of it the fact that some of the newbies who showed up on this thread happen to be returning bannees, who before being banned were friendly with some of the very people they are bickering with here, and something is striking us as just not right.

If you are interested in the debris photos, this is the thread for it. If not, don't join in this thread. It is not disrespectful to those who died to post pictures of the debris in our opinion. What they show and where they landed may help piece together what killed these brave people.

If you feel that is the wrong decision, we apologize and mean no harm. But please, no more arguing about it on the thread, and no more abuse reports on the matter.

Thanks, AM.]

Fires, believed started by debris from the downed space shuttle Columbia, burn in an area near Dallas, Saturday, Feb. 1, 2003. Seven astronauts perished when the shuttle broke to pieces as it re-entered the atmosphere at the end of a 16-day mission. (AP Photo/Joe Cavaretta)
Sun Feb 2, 1:14 AM ET

Fires, believed started by debris from the downed space shuttle Columbia, burn in an area near Dallas, Saturday, Feb. 1, 2003. Seven astronauts perished when the shuttle broke to pieces as it re-entered the atmosphere at the end of a 16-day mission. (AP Photo/Joe Cavaretta)



A video image of a helmet that dropped into a yard in Norwood Community, Texas from the space shuttle Columbia is seen Feb. 1, 2002. Many parts of the shuttle, along with human remains, were found in the area. NASA officials later removed the helmet. (Rick Wilking/Reuters)
Sat Feb 1, 9:31 PM ET

A video image of a helmet that dropped into a yard in Norwood Community, Texas from the space shuttle Columbia is seen Feb. 1, 2002. Many parts of the shuttle, along with human remains, were found in the area. NASA (news - web sites) officials later removed the helmet. (Rick Wilking/Reuters)



A small brush fire started by a falling piece of debris from the space shuttle Columbia outside Athens, Texas after the shuttle broke apart during re-entry over Texas on its way to a scheduled landing in Fla., Feb. 1, 2003. Authorities have not speculated on the cause of the crash. (Jeff Mitchell/Reuters)
Sat Feb 1,10:35 PM ET

A small brush fire started by a falling piece of debris from the space shuttle Columbia outside Athens, Texas after the shuttle broke apart during re-entry over Texas on its way to a scheduled landing in Fla., Feb. 1, 2003. Authorities have not speculated on the cause of the crash. (Jeff Mitchell/Reuters)


A piece of debris believed to be from the space shuttle Columbia is photographed near Lufkin, Texas, Feb. 1, 2003. NASA lost contact with the shuttle at around 9 a.m., about 16 minutes before its scheduled landing at Kennedy Space Center. (Reuters)
Sat Feb 1, 9:31 PM ET

A piece of debris believed to be from the space shuttle Columbia is photographed near Lufkin, Texas, Feb. 1, 2003. NASA (news - web sites) lost contact with the shuttle at around 9 a.m., about 16 minutes before its scheduled landing at Kennedy Space Center (news - web sites). (Reuters)


Goldie Hamilton looks at a piece of debris that dropped into her yard in Alto, Texas from the space shuttle Columbia February 1, 2003. Many parts of the shuttle along with human remains were found in the area. Hamilton lives in the house in the background. REUTERS/Rick Wilking
Sat Feb 1, 9:15 PM ET

Goldie Hamilton looks at a piece of debris that dropped into her yard in Alto, Texas from the space shuttle Columbia February 1, 2003. Many parts of the shuttle along with human remains were found in the area. Hamilton lives in the house in the background. REUTERS/Rick Wilking


A piece of debris from the space shuttle Columbia dropped into this yard in Alto, Texas, February 1, 2003. Debris from space shuttle Columbia rained down onto fields, highways and a cemetery in Texas on Saturday, sending dozens of residents to hospitals after they handled the smoldering metal wreckage. All seven astronauts on board were killed in the break-up, which scattered potentially toxic debris across a 120-mile (190-km-long) swath of eastern Texas. REUTERS/Rick Wilking
Sat Feb 1, 9:18 PM ET

A piece of debris from the space shuttle Columbia dropped into this yard in Alto, Texas, February 1, 2003. Debris from space shuttle Columbia rained down onto fields, highways and a cemetery in Texas on Saturday, sending dozens of residents to hospitals after they handled the smoldering metal wreckage. All seven astronauts on board were killed in the break-up, which scattered potentially toxic debris across a 120-mile (190-km-long) swath of eastern Texas. REUTERS/Rick Wilking



Stan Melasky, left, and his brother Steve Melasky look over a piece of debris, believed to be from the space shuttle Columbia, that fell on their farm near Douglass, Texas, Saturday, Feb. 1, 2003. (AP Photo/Donna McWilliam)
Sat Feb 1, 7:43 PM ET

Stan Melasky, left, and his brother Steve Melasky look over a piece of debris, believed to be from the space shuttle Columbia, that fell on their farm near Douglass, Texas, Saturday, Feb. 1, 2003. (AP Photo/Donna McWilliam)


An Anderson County sheriff's deputy walks past a piece of debris from the space shuttle Columbia outside Palestine, Texas after the shuttle broke apart during reentry over East Texas on its way to a scheduled landing in Florida, February 1, 2003. Shaken NASA officials vowed to find out what caused the space shuttle Columbia to break up, saying they would look closely at the impact of a piece of foam insulation that struck the orbiter's left wing at takeoff. REUTERS/Jeff Mitchell
Sat Feb 1, 8:52 PM ET

An Anderson County sheriff's deputy walks past a piece of debris from the space shuttle Columbia outside Palestine, Texas after the shuttle broke apart during reentry over East Texas on its way to a scheduled landing in Florida, February 1, 2003. Shaken NASA (news - web sites) officials vowed to find out what caused the space shuttle Columbia to break up, saying they would look closely at the impact of a piece of foam insulation that struck the orbiter's left wing at takeoff. REUTERS/Jeff Mitchell


A piece of space shuttle debris sits on the ground outside Bronson, Texas, Saturday, Feb. 1, 2003. Space shuttle Columbia broke apart in flames 200,000 feet over Texas on Saturday, killing all seven astronauts just minutes before they were to glide to a landing in Florida. (AP Photo/David J. Phillip)
Sat Feb 1, 7:25 PM ET

A piece of space shuttle debris sits on the ground outside Bronson, Texas, Saturday, Feb. 1, 2003. Space shuttle Columbia broke apart in flames 200,000 feet over Texas on Saturday, killing all seven astronauts just minutes before they were to glide to a landing in Florida. (AP Photo/David J. Phillip)


Searchers mark a small piece of debris while looking for remnants of the space shuttle outside Bronson, Texas, Saturday, Feb. 1, 2003. Space shuttle Columbia broke apart in flames 200,000 feet over Texas on Saturday, killing all seven astronauts just minutes before they were to glide to a landing in Florida. (AP Photo/David J. Phillip)
Sat Feb 1, 7:29 PM ET

Searchers mark a small piece of debris while looking for remnants of the space shuttle outside Bronson, Texas, Saturday, Feb. 1, 2003. Space shuttle Columbia broke apart in flames 200,000 feet over Texas on Saturday, killing all seven astronauts just minutes before they were to glide to a landing in Florida. (AP Photo/David J. Phillip)


Resident Bugs Arriola looks at a piece of debris from the space shuttle Columbia, Sunday, Feb. 2, 2003 in Nacogdoches, Texas. People have been told not to touch any of the debris as there could be toxic chemicals on the material. (AP Photo/Donna McWilliam)
Sun Feb 2,10:11 AM ET

Resident Bugs Arriola looks at a piece of debris from the space shuttle Columbia, Sunday, Feb. 2, 2003 in Nacogdoches, Texas. People have been told not to touch any of the debris as there could be toxic chemicals on the material. (AP Photo/Donna McWilliam)


Vollunteer firefigher John Berry looks out at small piece of debris believed to be from the space shuttle Columbia in a rural area north of Palestine, Texas, Saturday, Feb. 1, 2003. The shuttle broke apart in flames over Texas on Saturday, killing all seven astronauts just minutes before they were to glide to a landing in Florida. (AP Photo/LM Otero)
Sat Feb 1, 7:41 PM ET

Vollunteer firefigher John Berry looks out at small piece of debris believed to be from the space shuttle Columbia in a rural area north of Palestine, Texas, Saturday, Feb. 1, 2003. The shuttle broke apart in flames over Texas on Saturday, killing all seven astronauts just minutes before they were to glide to a landing in Florida. (AP Photo/LM Otero)


A couple looks at a piece of debris from the space shuttle Columbia that dropped onto the highway in Alto, Texas February 1, 2003. Debris fromColumbia rained down onto fields, highways and a cemetery in Texas on Saturday, sending dozens of residents to hospitals after they handled the smoldering metal wreckage. All seven astronauts on board were killed in the break-up, which scattered potentially toxic debris across a 120-mile (190-km-long) swath of eastern Texas. REUTERS/Rick Wilking
Sat Feb 1, 9:23 PM ET

A couple looks at a piece of debris from the space shuttle Columbia that dropped onto the highway in Alto, Texas February 1, 2003. Debris fromColumbia rained down onto fields, highways and a cemetery in Texas on Saturday, sending dozens of residents to hospitals after they handled the smoldering metal wreckage. All seven astronauts on board were killed in the break-up, which scattered potentially toxic debris across a 120-mile (190-km-long) swath of eastern Texas. REUTERS/Rick Wilking


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To: Thinkin' Gal
Dang Gal...you are good.
301 posted on 02/02/2003 1:47:11 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts ()
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
bookmark for later
302 posted on 02/02/2003 1:48:43 PM PST by Double Tap
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To: BearWash; Jeremiah Jr; 2sheep; Prodigal Daughter
"even with a band of iron and brass"

(doesn't say aluminum, titanium, and copper, but close enough for government work.)

Note the word translated as brass:

05174 n@chash (Aramaic) {nekh-awsh'}
corresponding to 05154; TWOT - 2858; n m
AV - brass 9; 9

1) copper, bronze

***

Thank you.

303 posted on 02/02/2003 1:51:18 PM PST by Thinkin' Gal
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To: Mark Felton; Gorzaloon
Found in Nacogdoches, approximately 12" long


304 posted on 02/02/2003 1:51:50 PM PST by Lady Jag (Googolplex Start Thinker of the Seventh Galaxy of Light and Ingenuity)
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To: Thud


305 posted on 02/02/2003 1:53:46 PM PST by kcvl
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To: sneakypete
"Many are experts in their fields, many are near-geniuses."

Near? Just near? :)

And many are just near fields.

And some are outstanding in their fields.:)

306 posted on 02/02/2003 1:53:46 PM PST by Balata
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To: Arkinsaw
#34 & #149
 
Are these REALLY shoe soles??
 
They look like where the feet would be anchored to the floor (deck?) so you wouldn't go drifting off while you were performing some job function that required a bunch of physical movement.
 
Kinda like those aluminum things in the shoe store to size your feet.
 
(Anyone got a picture of an EVA suit?)

307 posted on 02/02/2003 1:56:13 PM PST by Elsie (I trust in Jesus.... THOUSANDS OF EXISTING MANUSCRIPTS speak of Him!)
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To: amom
That looks like an artifact of zooming in at an extremely bright object - though the DARK areas are interesting.
308 posted on 02/02/2003 1:57:56 PM PST by lepton
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To: Elsie
OK, let me rephrase. You can read the text while waiting for the pictures to download. Otherwise, you stare at a blank screen until the entire thing is downloaded.
309 posted on 02/02/2003 1:58:23 PM PST by snopercod
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To: kcvl

Wow!

Did this BOUNCE over after the impact or did someone ROLL it over?


310 posted on 02/02/2003 1:59:56 PM PST by Elsie (I trust in Jesus.... THOUSANDS OF EXISTING MANUSCRIPTS speak of Him!)
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To: Balata


311 posted on 02/02/2003 2:01:51 PM PST by kcvl
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To: deziner; Ronaldus Magnus
"are you saying the folks from DU were gleeful about what happened yesterday? If so, that's AWFUL!!!!"

How is this for one of the more 'tasteful' remarks from DU:


"Where is our "fearless leader"?
Just as some other people have said...lost in space "
312 posted on 02/02/2003 2:02:06 PM PST by XBob
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To: Elsie

A charred piece of debris believed to be from the shuttle was found in Palestine, Texas. Debris, which officials warned could be toxic, was scattered across east Texas.

313 posted on 02/02/2003 2:02:13 PM PST by Lady Jag (Googolplex Start Thinker of the Seventh Galaxy of Light and Ingenuity)
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To: sciencediet

314 posted on 02/02/2003 2:04:43 PM PST by kcvl
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To: Elsie

Larry Epps shows how close he was to being hit with debris from the Columbia space shuttle at his home near San Augustine, Texas, Sunday, Feb. 2, 2003. Epps said the part missed him by about 15 feet. After the shuttle broke up Saturday over eastern Texas, fragments of the shuttle were sent showering to the ground. (AP Photo/Eric Gay)

315 posted on 02/02/2003 2:05:43 PM PST by kcvl
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To: kcvl

Why is THIS barn BLUE?
316 posted on 02/02/2003 2:06:25 PM PST by Elsie (I trust in Jesus.... THOUSANDS OF EXISTING MANUSCRIPTS speak of Him!)
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To: freepersup
Looks like Columbia went from a 57 degree bank to going sideways, left wing forward, while on a horizontal plane. Is that a 90 degree bank?

Re-entering with the left wing forward would certainly explain the burn-through starting there. I don't know if that is what happened, though. Did it leave the 57 degree bank due to other problems, most likely a burn-through, or did the loss of control cause the burn-through?

317 posted on 02/02/2003 2:09:57 PM PST by Thud
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To: Thinkin' Gal
I've lost track of whether it was mentioned on this thread, but one of the first videos of debris burning clearly showed the shape of a tree in the form of the charred groundcover. Someone mentioned it looked like the tree on the flag of Lebanon (I have not seen the flag myself). This was the video that showed two people and a dog (I think) walking around the edge of the charred area. Whether it looked like a pine tree, an olive tree, or what, it was most definitely a distinct tree shape.
318 posted on 02/02/2003 2:10:03 PM PST by steve86
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To: sneakypete
Today, quite a few farmers in east Texas are out standing in their fields.
319 posted on 02/02/2003 2:10:03 PM PST by Erasmus
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To: kcvl
Thanks. See my No. 317.
320 posted on 02/02/2003 2:12:09 PM PST by Thud
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To: Elsie
I suppose the photographer didn't want people thinking the "hicks" had a barn that wasn't painted? I HAVE NO IDEA! lol! I don't know how many barns are painted in most places but around her they don't waste the time.
321 posted on 02/02/2003 2:12:46 PM PST by kcvl
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To: Elsie
The photo on the left is earlier and the radioactivity hasn't died down yet.
322 posted on 02/02/2003 2:15:57 PM PST by Erasmus
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To: Mark Felton
yes, very strong likeness.
323 posted on 02/02/2003 2:15:59 PM PST by cubreporter
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To: Admin Moderator
"This is nonsense and an insult to Americans. Do we need America haters on FreeRepublic?"

"No, we do not need America haters on FreeRepublic. Generally when we realize that someone is one, Jim will remove their account. We'll take your warning about the other poster under advisement. Thanks, AM"



Please advise all America Haters to report to LibertyPost.com, one of their home sites, full of America Haters. And full of FR haters too.
324 posted on 02/02/2003 2:16:15 PM PST by XBob
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To: Admin Moderator; Mark Felton
Sorry Mark - I meant to address this to you.

"This is nonsense and an insult to Americans. Do we need America haters on FreeRepublic?"

"No, we do not need America haters on FreeRepublic. Generally when we realize that someone is one, Jim will remove their account. We'll take your warning about the other poster under advisement. Thanks, AM"



Please advise all America Haters to report to LibertyPost.com, one of their home sites, full of America Haters. And full of FR haters too.
325 posted on 02/02/2003 2:17:33 PM PST by XBob
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To: Arkinsaw
Not every body has to wait for the Feds to give them permision to do something. Many things can and will and should be done at the local levels.
326 posted on 02/02/2003 2:17:34 PM PST by mathluv
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To: Elsie
Same barn, different light, maybe different camera, film, different time, or digital enhancement. The blue barn is cooler due to one or more of these factors.
327 posted on 02/02/2003 2:17:54 PM PST by Lady Jag (Googolplex Start Thinker of the Seventh Galaxy of Light and Ingenuity)
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To: Elsie
Possibly the aluminum tin siding that was used on the barn reflecting from the light at that time of day.

Just an idea.
328 posted on 02/02/2003 2:18:20 PM PST by swheats
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To: John Jorsett
I agree. I see absolutely nothing wrong at all about this thread. I would not like to see remains of any kind but for me, the shuttle debris is part of the story. How come the TV/news stations are showing it and as far as I know, there are not complaints? Why cant FR show the same thing and discuss it with other Freepers? At least we get the chance to do this on this forum...we have NO VOICE on the networks. Keep up the good work and if there is a thread I cannot view I will not go into it. Simple as that. Everyone has a choice. But...so far this is just fine with me.
329 posted on 02/02/2003 2:19:22 PM PST by cubreporter
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To: virgil
It looks like a giant ball of string.

It looks like a spherical metal tank (helium or fuel component) covered with insulation that has frayed badly.

330 posted on 02/02/2003 2:21:04 PM PST by lepton
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To: djf
Every tile is numbered, and if they started to peel off, they might be able to work their way backwards.

That is why I would think they would take a photo and gps reading for every piece they find. Location has a notable part in figuring out what happened.

331 posted on 02/02/2003 2:22:29 PM PST by lepton
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To: Thud
At 207,000 feet you still have little in the way of aerodynamic control, even at 12 000 MPH. So you could get into a 90 degree yaw, or sideslip, as the video seems to show.

I would think that if the reaction control system was still functional they might have been able to correct the attitude; but things may have happened too quickly, and the craft may already have been aerodynamically compromised (e.g., from the purported damage during launch).

And of course, your ship is not designed to take the friction heating in that attitude so it's likely to have a structural failure pretty quickly.

That's what appears to have happened.

332 posted on 02/02/2003 2:23:46 PM PST by Erasmus
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To: BenLurkin
"Manuevering rocket malfunction?
Software "glitch"/Hacking?
Pilot error? (Was re-entry automtated?)
What other causes might there be?"

Main causes I can see are: 1) loss of integrity of heat-shielding. An amazing amount of air rubs over the shuttle each second during re-entry, under high pressures. When pressure increases, so does temperature...even before the molecules start rubbing against the surface of the shuttle. If a large enough area becomes open to the heat, it can melt the shuttle hull, or even incandesce objects on the other side of the hull.

Communications is lost for a portion of re-entry, because the friction is so great that the atmosphere, and portions of the shuttle skin are ionized (i.e. electrons gain enough energy that they leave orbit around the nucleus).

2) Loss of structural integrity. The shuttle is under a great deal of stress. If significant components shift they can cause instability, or if they come off, they alter the aerodynamics of the craft as well as stripping the craft of some of its heat shielding.

3) The shuttle became unstable. The shuttle must come in in a very specific configuration, otherwise it can begin to wobble, or spin, or slow down too fast. If the shuttle wobbles out of parameters, it can place immense stresses on the craft in ways that it was not, and could not be, designed for. If the shuttle slows down too fast, it heats up too fast.

While there is some fuel in the shuttle during re-entry, it is a rather small quantity, the re-entry being non-powered. The shuttle is designed to slow down by a series of banking maneuvers gradually increasing the drag and extending the flight distance while within the atmosphere.

There may be other things, but those are what first come to mind. Obviously, all three happened, the question is which caused the others to happen.
333 posted on 02/02/2003 2:26:27 PM PST by lepton
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To: Admin Moderator
Thank you.
334 posted on 02/02/2003 2:28:17 PM PST by mathluv
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To: nmh
You truly are a disgusting individual.

Don't know how long you have been around here; but fyi, this thread runs because the FreeperNation comprises thousands of folks of multi expertise.

Any one of whom might see something is a pic that raises a question or supposition that might prove helpful.

335 posted on 02/02/2003 2:28:42 PM PST by don-o
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To: Howlin
Launched on the 16th.

16 days in orbit, too.

336 posted on 02/02/2003 2:30:44 PM PST by EggsAckley (Time flies like an arrow.......but fruit flies like bananas)
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To: mikenola
Bronson is in Sabine County, not Galveston. Difference of about 150 miles.
337 posted on 02/02/2003 2:30:54 PM PST by lonestar ((Nelson Mandela has a thinking problem))
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To: lepton
From news conference on now...Over CA and NV...noticed drag on left side (from missing tiles?) computer correcting by banking? right
338 posted on 02/02/2003 2:31:01 PM PST by chnsmok (Dware vs. 100 mussels! Pay per mussel! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/829652/posts?page=1)
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To: don-o
Don't know how long you have been around here; but fyi, this thread runs because the FreeperNation comprises thousands of folks of multi expertise.

Some of them are actually rocket scientists (I know of four myself), and others knowledgeable enthusiasts.

Actually, there is a list somewhere of many FReepers occupations.

339 posted on 02/02/2003 2:35:04 PM PST by lepton
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To: Elsie
Why is THIS barn BLUE?

It's not blue, it's just the unpainted galvanized steel showing up better in one picture than in another. Most likely a camera exposure setting at work here - check out the peak of the barn roof - it's "blue" too. The grass looks different, too.

340 posted on 02/02/2003 2:36:20 PM PST by Cloud William
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To: Mark Felton
Mark, these pictures may prove invaluable at some point in time, as evidence often gets lost in transit. The fact that some materials made it through re-entry and other stuff didn’t will be of great help in designing future shuttles. Thanks. yoe
341 posted on 02/02/2003 2:40:49 PM PST by yoe
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To: yoe
These pictures are indeed sobering. It causes me to wonder if the crew, doing what they needed to do in preperation for landing, had some awareness of the dire and fatal situation in which they were. If they did, I can only imagine the courage of those people had in the face of this most awful fear.

The maps of Texas which show the locations of found debris helps us understand how far the Columbia fell. And with the exception of the apt that burned yesterday, it is a blessing from God that people on the ground were not injured and that there was not horrific damage done to property.

There is a lot to be learned from this event and I agree with the poster who suggested that these photos are going to be useful to that end.

342 posted on 02/02/2003 2:48:38 PM PST by celtic gal (it ain't spring but spring has sprung, the grass is ris.....)
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To: celtic gal
This thread is newsworthy. I've seed TV shots of debris, but failed to understand the magnitude of what has rained down upon Texas. It is amazing how many pieces have fallen and in recognizable form, too. I think the people of Texas should be praised for responding to this situation. They are locating and marking the debris, and I'm sure their diligence will be invaluable in aiding the feds in the unbelievable task before them.
343 posted on 02/02/2003 3:08:04 PM PST by gitmo ("The course of this conflict is not known, yet its outcome is certain." GWB)
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To: lepton
though the DARK areas are interesting.

Yes they are.

344 posted on 02/02/2003 3:10:40 PM PST by amom
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To: Mark Felton
"The poisons will be contained with some cells and may not have leaked out until the debris has significantly slow down (no longer at "burn" kinds of speeds. "

or in tanks like that shown in #214.
345 posted on 02/02/2003 3:11:16 PM PST by XBob
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To: Momaw Nadon
Whoops, somebody moved Dallas-Ft Worth in this weather image shot.
346 posted on 02/02/2003 3:14:38 PM PST by not-an-ostrich
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To: sciencediet
that is definitely a 'tile' probably from underside of the wing
347 posted on 02/02/2003 3:17:00 PM PST by XBob
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To: Mark Felton
Good job, Mark. Painful to view but I think it helps grasp the reality of what happened, and ALL evidence will be helpful in putting the pieces together.
348 posted on 02/02/2003 3:21:10 PM PST by ncpastor
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To: amom
William Orr, center, and members of a search and rescue team look for debris from space shuttle Columbia in a wooded areal near San Augustine, Texas, Sunday, Feb. 2, 2003. Authorities used horses and satellite gear Sunday to search for more scorched pieces of space shuttle Columbia across the Texas and Louisiana countryside. (AP Photo/Eric Gay)

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/030202/168/36her.html

349 posted on 02/02/2003 3:28:04 PM PST by amom
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To: BenLurkin
By all means any one of the multiple causes stated, could be the culprit. I re-read my post and I may have given the impression that I was proferring a root cause. Good catch-

What caused the shuttle to be out of position for re-entry is the six million dollar question.

The video shows the shuttle still intact for the most part, and I think that is what is so compelling.

It is a fatal position, and doomed by virtue of this fact.

The indication of rising temperatures and subsequent loss of sensors may have been linked to tile damage, or due to fatal re-entry position (sideways). Or as you posted, a number of other reasons...
350 posted on 02/02/2003 3:29:33 PM PST by freepersup (Put That Bur qa On ! Put That Bur qa On ! Put That Bur qa On !)
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