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Posted on 02/03/2003 7:06:12 PM PST by Craig1972
I am now reaching voting age and one very fundamental question eludes me (as I am not an American, and quite illeducated in politics if I might add) --
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Very interesting website, this one! But I am now reaching voting age and one very fundamental question eludes me (as I am not an American, and quite illeducated in politics if I might add) --
What is the difference between REPUBLICANS and DEMOCRATS? I tried to search on Google but there is not a single website that provides a quick, comprehensible capsule of information about this question.
Would appreciate if someone here can throw some light on the matter, or direct me to some useful resources.
posted on 02/03/2003 7:06:13 PM PST
posted on 02/03/2003 7:08:25 PM PST
Difference Between Republicans and Democrats
A Republican and a Democrat were walking down the street when they came to a homeless person. The Republican gave the homeless person his business card and told him to come to his business for a job. He then took twenty dollars out of his pocket and gave it to the homeless person.
The Democrat was very impressed, and when they came to another homeless person, he decided to help. He walked over to the homeless person and gave him directions to the welfare office. He then reached into the Republican's pocket and gave the homeless person fifty dollars.
Now you understand the difference between Republicans and Democrats
posted on 02/03/2003 7:10:13 PM PST
Perhaps the question is better asked - what is the difference between a liberal and a conservative. Party affiliation can at times be deceiving...
posted on 02/03/2003 7:12:14 PM PST
(Freedom is not Free)
Try here for political litmus tests:
www.rnc.org for Republicans.
www.rats.org...okay, okay....just kidding, it's www.dnc.org for Democrats.
posted on 02/03/2003 7:13:43 PM PST
(Don't call them liberals, socialists or left wing statists is more like it.)
|...that the United States were founded on the fundamental principle that individuals have certain rights and freedoms which cannot be infringed upon and may be restricted only to the degree necessary to preserve the rights of others.
||...that our Founding Fathers did not really mean what they said when they guaranteed certain constitutional rights such as the right to freedom of religious expression, the right to keep and bear arms, and the right to retain the use of private property.
|...the money you earn is yours and that government in a free society has the right to take only as much as is needed to perform those limited functions, which are appropriate to it.
||...government has a right to use your money as it sees fit to redistribute wealth, establish new spending programs in times of budget surpluses, and to return to you only that portion of your money which is politically expedient.
|...the traditional family and the values it fosters are the foundation of American society and their preservation is essential to our Nation's continued success.
||...American society must redefine its values and the role of the family to fit new lifestyle concepts, which have resulted from the 60ís counter-culture movement and an attitude that promotes an abrogation of individual responsibility.
|...parents have the right to determine the values with which their children will be raised and to have the widest possible choice among public, private and religious schools and that competition will improve public education.
||...the federal government has the right to determine the values which will be taught in public schools and parentsí choice of schools must be limited to avoid exposing public schools to competitive forces which would encourage reform and increase accountability.
|...that the free enterprise system is the most effective engine of economic progress.
||...that government regulation and federal control of economic activity can better distribute wealth and services to the American people.
|...high taxes, runaway government spending, and over-regulation of business and farming punish initiative and stifle economic growth.
||...penalizing achievement with higher taxes and increased government bureaucracy and spending will not stifle economic growth but instead guarantee prosperity for everyone.
|...that with freedom comes responsibility and that individuals must take personal responsibility for their own actions and our criminal justice system must be based on this idea.
||...individual behavior, including criminal behavior, can be blamed on "society" and that spending on social welfare programs and improvements in prison living conditions can combat crime.
|...that your property is yours and you have the basic right to make use of it without unreasonable government restrictions.
||...the government has the right to regulate the use of private property in accordance with narrow special interests without giving just compensation to owners.
|...the preservation of our rights and freedoms must be entrusted to a strong national defense and of the ability of the United States to negotiate with other nations from a position of strength.
||...we can afford to drastically weaken our military despite the threats present in an unstable, post-Cold War international environment and the United States must subjugate its interests to those of the United Nations.
|...it is imperative today to re-affirm the traditional freedoms and values of America to preserve our great Republic.
||...that America must adopt a politically correct, multi-cultural set of values which denies common American heritage and will further divide American society.
|...there can be differences of opinion and that such differences such result in opponents, not enemies.
||...that all whom oppose them are to be treated as enemies.
|...that all of America's citizens can enjoy the rights and freedoms of our country without diminishing the rights of others.
||...that some must give up a portion of their rights and freedoms that others may enjoy those same rights and freedoms.
|...that public servants, particularly those whom we elect to office, must be held accountable to the highest standards of ethical conduct.
"If a man cannot be trusted with the government of himself, can he be trusted with the government of others?" [Thomas Jefferson]
|...that loyalty to a discredited leader is a virtue and if other office holders have committed indiscretions, a sitting office holder should not be criticized for failing to uphold the highest standards of ethical conduct.
posted on 02/03/2003 7:14:14 PM PST
#3 is a pretty good example actually. And to be fair we generally here think of Republicans as conservatives and democrats as liberal.
posted on 02/03/2003 7:14:34 PM PST
(Freedom is not Free)
To: chance33_98; Craig1972
"Perhaps the question is better asked - what is the difference between a liberal and a conservative. Party affiliation can at times be deceiving..."
Exactly. Good answer.
Republicans think you're smart enough to keep and spend your own money, where as democrats think all money should be spent the way they think is best for you. Democrats want more of your paycheck and republicans want less. Republicans believe ALL races can succeed if they have the will. Democrats think minorities can only succeed if they have guilty white liberals helping them every step of the way. They think you're too stupid to survive on your own.
The best place to learn about the Republican Party is www.republicanbasics.com, website for Back to Basics for the Republican Party. There you'll read that the Democrats' donkey symkbol began as a Whig party caricature of Andrew Jackson as a jackass.
If you came to America for a better life you are a republican. If you came to America for a hand out you are a democrat.
posted on 02/03/2003 7:18:52 PM PST
(SUPPORT PRESIDENT BUSH)
"We are not without accomplishment. We have managed to distribute poverty equally." DNC
Difference Between Republicans and Democrats
A Republican and a Democrat were walking down the street when they came to a homeless person. The Republican gave the homeless person his business card and told him to come to his business for a job. After the homeless person showed up and put in an honest few hours of work, he then took twenty dollars out of his pocket and gave it to the homeless person.
The Democrat was very impressed, and when they came to another homeless person, he decided to help. He walked over to the homeless person and gave him directions to the welfare office. He then reached into the Republican's pocket and took fifty dollars, then gave the homeless man ten, and kept forty dollars for bureaucratic costs.
Now you understand the difference between Republicans and Democrats
Boy are you in for it...LOL
But let me take my shot:
Republicans, generally speaking of course, believe in the federal republic constituted by our founders---in the rule of law as opposed to the whim of men (sometimes referred to as democracy); in the separation of powers (to disallow too much power from residing in too few hands), in unalienable rights to life and liberty which come from God, not from man, and can therefore not be rightfully abrogated by man. Godfearing, patriotic folk who actually work for a living and take care of our own, and do what they can to make the world a better and a safer place.
Democrats are a motley assortment of evildoers, useful idiots, racebaiters, racists, political hacks, synchophants, narciscists, abortionists, hedonists, skanks, journalists, globalists, pollsters, professors, welfare cheats, illegal aliens, dead people, professional victims, communists, socialists, nazis, homosexuals, transvestites, lawyers, Islamo-lovers, pacifists, violent criminals, hippies, dopeheads, actors, treehuggers, tyrants and fools.
Hope that helps. :-)
If you're an optimist, you're a Republican. If you're pissed off at life, you're a memeber of the Democrat Party.
"What is the difference between REPUBLICANS and DEMOCRATS?"
Real republicans can agree with the positions below.
Rinos & Democrats cannot.
REPUBLICAN LIBERTY CAUCUS POSITION STATEMENT
posted on 02/03/2003 7:25:45 PM PST
For starters: You can't vote if you are not an Citizen of the United States.
If one is seeking to becomes a citizen of the United States of America... FreeRepublic is a great place to start! For that matter FreeRepublic is a great place to learn the difference between Republicans and Democrats rather or not you live in America.
posted on 02/03/2003 7:27:27 PM PST
I'll take a crack at this.
The main difference is their belief in the role of Government.
Republicans believe in a limited government and more personal responsibility.
Democrats believe in a larger government that is more active in peoples lives.
posted on 02/03/2003 7:29:42 PM PST
Didn't you leave out the part about the Dimocrats believing the Constitution is a "living" document - so they can twist it to mean whatever they want?
posted on 02/03/2003 7:30:00 PM PST
This is easy.
We have 10 initial ammendments to our constitution, commonly refered to as "The Bill of Rights." They list things that are god given, and not up to debate. All people have them, regardless of governments.
The Democrats support a broad First ammendment (free speach), while they want a weak Second ammendment (the Right to keep and bear arms--as in guns).
The Republicans want a weak first ammendment (porn, sex education, should be curtained), while supporting a strong Second ammendment.
There is a third party here in America. It's called the Libertarian Party. We support equally strong enforcement of all the ammendments.
posted on 02/03/2003 7:32:34 PM PST
(What's the frequency, Kenneth?)
When a Republican candidate for President agrees to a debate, he is afraid to debate anyone but a Democrat. When a Democrat candidate for President agrees to a debate, he is afraid to debate anyone but a Republican.
When a duopoly rules a country there is no real debate, apologies to the founding fathers.
Do you have a soul? If yes, then you are a Republican. If no, then you are a Democrat.
Do you think for yourself? See above.
Do you want to keep more of what you earn?
Do you think most people want freedom more than security?
Do you think that O.J. is guilty?
posted on 02/03/2003 7:34:59 PM PST
For completeness, there's also a fourth party: the Green party seeks to destroy the First Amendment through things like "campaign finance reform" and also seeks to destroy the Second Amendment by means of ever more restrictions on gun owners.
If you agree with the following, you are a Republican.
The Bill of No Rights
We, the sensible of the United States, in an attempt to help everyone get along, restore some semblance of justice, avoid any more riots, keep our nation safe, promote positive behavior and secure the blessings of debt-free liberty to ourselves and our great-great-great grandchildren, hereby try one more time to ordain and establish some common sense guidelines for the terminally whiny, guilt-ridden delusional, and other liberal, commie, pinko bedwetters.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that a whole lot of people were confused by the Bill of Rights and are so dim that they require a Bill of No Rights.
You do not have the right to a new car, big-screen color TV or any other form of wealth. More power to you if you can legally acquire them, but no one is guaranteeing anything.
You do not have the right to never be offended. This country is based on freedom, and that means freedom for everyone -- not just you! You may leave the room, turn the channel, express a different opinion, etc., but the world is full of idiots, and probably always will be.
You do not have the right to be free from harm. If you stick a screwdriver in your eye, learn to be more careful, do not expect the tool manufacturer to make you and all of your relatives independently wealthy.
You do not have the right to free food and housing. Americans are the most charitable people to be found, and will gladly help anyone in need, but we are quickly growing weary of subsidizing generation after generation of professional couch potatoes who achieve nothing more than the creation of another generation of professional couch potatoes.
You do not have the right to free health care. That would be nice, but from the looks of public housing, we're just not interested in public health care.
You do not have the right to physically harm other people. If you kidnap, rape, intentionally maim or kill someone, don't be surprised if the rest of us get together and kill you.
You do not have the right to the possessions of others. If you rob, cheat, or coerce away the goods or services of other citizens, don't be surprised if the rest of us get together and lock you away in a place where you still won't have the right to a big-screen color TV or a life of leisure.
You do not have the right to demand that our children risk their lives in foreign wars to soothe your aching conscience. We hate oppressive governments and won't lift a finger to stop you from going to fight if you'd like. However, we do not enjoy parenting the entire world and do not want to spend so much of our time battling each and every little tyrant with a military uniform and a funny hat.
You do not have the right to a job. All of us sure want you to have one, and will gladly help you along in hard times, but we expect you to take advantage of the opportunities in education and vocational training laid before you to make yourself useful.
You do not have the right to happiness. Being an American means that you have the right to pursue happiness -- which, by the way, is a lot easier if you are unencumbered by an overabundance of idiotic laws created by those around you who were confused by the Bill of Rights.
posted on 02/03/2003 7:39:41 PM PST
The Republicans want a weak first ammendment (porn, sex education, should be curtained)
You display a faulty understanding of original intent. The founders of this great republic would have scoffed at the notion that the first amendment included loose sexual morality, or some imagined right to pollute society with it.
Their understanding of liberty was the liberty to do good, but never ever included the 'right' to do evil.
Democrats are really Socialist
Republicans are the liberal Democrats of 50 years ago
True conservatives are the Constitution Party or the Libertarian Party, depending on whether you think recreational drug use should be legal or not.
I'll try to do this with as little spin as possible:
1. To understand American politics you have to understand the Constitution. It is a legal document that tells the powers given by the people to the government, how the government may exercise those powers, and how the government may not exercise those powers.
Republicans usually favor a more literal interpretation of the Constitution, and so are called "strict constructionists." They view the Constitution as a legally-binding contract between the people and the federal government, and thus believe the Constitution should be followed according to its simplist, most literal interpretation, with due deference to the original intent of the drafters of the Constitution, whom Americans call the "Founding Fathers."
The Democrats view the Constitution as a living document and thus believe that it can change as society desires in order to allow for public policy that it would prohibit if read literally. Democrats are known as "broad constructionists."
2. Democrats and Republicans vary on social policy.
Republicans believe the government should provide a minimum moral standard for society by outlawing harmful drugs, abortion, gay marriage, etc. However, because Republicans are strict constructionists, they generally oppose laws limiting the private ownership of guns by law-abiding persons (see the 2nd Amendment).
Democrats believe that morality is, or should be viewed, as relative to the individual, and thus usually support the liberalization of drugs, abortion, gay marriage, etc. Because they are broad constructionists, they believe the government has the power to restrict private gun ownership.
On the whole, though, Republicans and Democrats are both favor broad protection of individual liberties in the social context. This is largely because of Americans' shared heritage of individual liberty and natural rights.
3. Republicans and Democrats vary on economic issues.
Republicans believe very much in free enterprise and "the maximum of individual liberty consistent with ordered society" (Ronald Reagan), and so they tend to oppose high government regulation of the economy and high tax rates. They believe people know best how to use their own property and spend or invest their own money, and they believe the government wastes a great deal of money.
In general, this is because Republicans view the proper role of government merely as guaranteeing social order, protecting individual rights, and enforcing contracts.
Democrats believe the government should provide for people, and that companies must be highly regulated in order to protect employees, the environment, etc. They therefore support higher taxes to fund social programs and more government regulation of business. They believe people don't use their property or spend and invest their money in a way that benefits society, and they believe the government is more efficient than Republicans say it is.
4. Republicans and Democrats differ on foreign policy.
Republicans believe America should follow a less activist foreign policy that is based mostly on America's best interests, not world opinion or UN resolutions. Thus, Republicans oppose going to war when it benefits other countries but not the US, and they favor going to war when it will aid the security of the US.
Democrats favor a more activist foreign policy that is based more on world opinion and UN resolutions than on America's best interests. They favor going to war when the world opinion is for it.
There is usually less disagreement over foreing policy than over economics or social policy. This is partly because of the water's edge effect: The old saying in the US is that "politics ends at the water's edge." Of course, that is true more in theory than in practice. Further, both parties believe that US interests should play some sort of role in foreign policy, as should moral and ethical dictates. Lastly, because voters pay less attention to foreign policy, it is less influenced by political passions, and thus the debate often is more reasoned than on economic or social issues.
5. Republicans and Democrats are qualitatively different.
Republicans tend to rely on statistics, theory, and other objective sources of knowledge.
Democrats tend to rely on emotions, social justice, utilitarianism, and other subjective sources of knowledge.
The Democrats support a broad First ammendment (free speach)
IMO, your knowledge of Democrats is lacking as well. Truth is, they grab every opportunity to try and silence those who oppose them.
Democrats believe that we can delay in taking away Saddam's:
25,00 liters of anthrax
38,000 liters of botulinum toxin
500 tons of sarin, mustard gas & VX nerve agents & 30,000 munitions to deliver them to other countries
They must take the guns away from law abiding citizens who have a GOD GIVEN right to the guns RIGHT AWAY
Add to your argument, the right to freely assemble (with whomever you want): as in Boy Scouts...
Allright mate, here it is in a nutshell.
LIBERALS (aka "Democrats") are ruled by emotion and the irrepressible urge to foist emotion-driven solutions to society's ills upon society, regardless of whether or not society's inhabitants want to be involved in said solutions (See also; "Socialism", "Communism").
CONSERVATIVES (not to be confused with "Republicans" at times) employ logic, critical thinking, and common sense to same said problems. Our answers to said problems ain't pretty or politically correct sometimes, as they involve self-suffiency, self-respect, and a rejection of liberal dogma, but we are always in tell-it-like-is mode.
More simply put; Conservatives smart, Liberals stupid....
posted on 02/03/2003 7:46:43 PM PST
To: Eric in the Ozarks
if you look in their platforms the Republicans #1 item says we belive in the Declaration of Independance, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. (ie we believe that all men are created equal)
The DEMOCRATS 2000 party platforn NEVER Mentioned any of them. So I truly believe that they don't care about the people they swear they are working for and their votes show it!!!
Republicans believe that your personal rights come from God (known as "Natural Law").
You are born with them.
Government cannot take away what has been given to man by God. (though government tries)
One has "Moral" obligations to others less fortunate according to ones conscience.
Democrats believe that your personal rights come from government (known as "Posited Law").
These rights are "granted" or "denied" to you by government.
One has societal or financial obligations to others according to government declaration, not the needs of the unfortunate.
posted on 02/03/2003 7:48:31 PM PST
Is voting age in Australia 32 years of age, or does the 1972 next to your username refer to something else?
posted on 02/03/2003 7:48:48 PM PST
by Mr. Mojo
To: Eric in the Ozarks
Of course my lists were not comprehensive.
For example, in my compilation of the the members of the RAT coalition, I forgot to include ugly feminists. ;-)
Reminds me of a definition I heard of libs and conservatives on Paul Harvey (or something) many years ago.
If a man were drowning 100 feet off shore, a conservative would throw the man 90 feet of rope and expect the man to swim the remaining 10 feet to the rope.
A liberal would throw the man 300 feet of rope and then let go of his end to go "help" someone else.
posted on 02/03/2003 7:50:37 PM PST
"You display a faulty understanding of original intent. The founders of this great republic would have scoffed at the notion that the first amendment included loose sexual morality, or some imagined right to pollute society with it."
Thanks for demonstrating my point. Thread-starter person from Australia: That was a quote from a Republican.
posted on 02/03/2003 7:50:58 PM PST
(What's the frequency, Kenneth?)
What is the difference between REPUBLICANS and DEMOCRATS?
posted on 02/03/2003 7:51:19 PM PST
If you don't mind me asking, how is a 2.2 Trillion budget limited goverment?
posted on 02/03/2003 7:52:04 PM PST
To: Grand Old Partisan
"There you'll read that the Democrats' donkey symkbol began as a Whig party caricature of Andrew Jackson as a jackass."
Is that true? I've always been under the impression that both the elephant and the jackass were the creations of Thomas Nast. I think he operated about 50 or so years after Jackson's time....
posted on 02/03/2003 7:53:41 PM PST
You can't vote if you are not an Citizen of the United States.
Liberals and democrats are scum of the Earth ....
Republicans are more than likely not. Pretty much sums it up.
posted on 02/03/2003 7:54:28 PM PST
(The question is not whether you're paranoid, but whether you're paranoid enough.)
Democrats are a motley assortment of evildoers,...
Funny, my theasuraus has the exact same entries under Democrat!
"Democrats are a motley assortment of evildoers, useful idiots, racebaiters, racists, political hacks, synchophants, narciscists, abortionists, hedonists, skanks, journalists, globalists, pollsters, professors, welfare cheats, illegal aliens, dead people, professional victims, communists, socialists, nazis, homosexuals, transvestites, lawyers, Islamo-lovers, pacifists, violent criminals, hippies, dopeheads, actors, treehuggers, tyrants and fools."
You forgot shitheads...
posted on 02/03/2003 7:55:24 PM PST
Democrats want more government control. Republicans want less. Democrats will tell you that they are the party of the common people and Republicans the party of the rich. Republicans see the Democrats as the party of those who want, or benefit from, or can live with higher taxes and Republicans as the low tax party. Democrats say that Republicans want more government control over moral questions. Republicans point out that local influence over such questions is a part of self-government and hence of political freedom.
Republicans are the party of the taxpaying, traditionalist majority and democrats are the party of the dissident fringes -- ethnic and sexual preference minorities, bohemian lifestyle liberals, urbanites on the coast, recipients of social expenditures, administrators of social programs, the very rich and the very poor. Unless, that is, these groups are already a majority and the Republicans the fringe.
One thing to understand about America, though: parties have long been coalitions of interest, ethnic and regional groups. In contrast to Continental Europe they've rarely been strongly ideologically oriented. Thus, you'll find many people in each party who don't fit the sterotypes.
Parties did become more ideological and more polarized in the period from the 1960s through the 1990s. The old North-South, Catholic-Protestant divisions were replaced by bitter conflicts over abortion, sexuality, drugs, and foreign policy. Older generations that had basically similar ideas on social questions were replaced by more divided and contentious generations.
Today, there are many who will tell you that the US is two nations, divided by cultural, social and moral questions. But in the 1990s and even more since 2001 the two halves of the country -- liberal and conservative, secular and religious, urban and non-urban -- have grown closer together. Philosophical and ideological schisms persist, but the country is fully capable of functioning and working together.
posted on 02/03/2003 7:56:48 PM PST
"Their understanding of liberty was the liberty to do good, but never ever included the 'right' to do evil."
Their understanding of liberty was the liberty to do good, which never ever included any 'right' of government to decree what was 'evil'.
The rule of constitutional law was to be followed, and a jury was to decide if that law was violated.
posted on 02/03/2003 7:59:05 PM PST
A couple of Liberals were walking down a gravel road south of town. They came apon an older man, laying off in a ditch, crying out and moaning from a beating he'd suffered earlier.
One Liberal said to the other,"this is awful...poor soul."
The other Liberal reponded, "right. We've got to find who ever did this and help him."
To: MonroeDNA; Craig1972
Of course, you carefully avoided my main point; that the founders of America would have laughed contempuously at the idea that pornography would be covered in the First Amendment. Do you have even one scrap of evidence that even one founder would have approved of what you claim? Or do you, like the Left, not give a d*mn about original intent? Do you join with them in rewriting or ignoring history to buttress your own agenda?
Our young Australian friend:
As this gentleman said, in me you are getting a very 'republican' perspective. You are of course also getting a clear picture, through his claims, of the misunderstanding of history of the group in our country that call themselves 'Libertarians'.
You're going to get a lot of nonsense on this thread, a lot of posturing, and occasionally some good information.
This is my opinions and observations, so take it for what you will ( I will try to capture the most modern explanation, throughout the two party's histories,things have flip-flopped ):
As another poster pointed out, generally the Republican party looks to the private sector as a means of ''promoting the general welfare'. That term does not mean giving handouts, as is commonly misused. With the Republicans, it tends to look at individuals acting through their own decisions to better themselves and society. This is only a general statement, since there are Republicans that believe in a strong central Federal system ( you'll hear them referred to on here as neo-cons, statists, RINOs, and other assorted terms ).
Also, contrary to what you may receive from many American media sources, Republicans do believe in civil liberties. They also tend to believe in and uphold the concept of private property, which the individual owner may use to whatever the best purpose the owner believes the property should be used.
Democrats tend to believe in the government as the source of solutions to societal ills, and tend to believe that the general welfare is served by government and its dictates, rather than the individual ( You'll note that there is a similarity to the neo-con ). They tend to believe that government is the best distributor of equality, which generally translates into higher taxation and redistribution of wealth generated by the individual.
Contrary to the American media, Democrats today do not whole-heartedly support civil liberties, and base the concept of civil liberties on the idea of 'group rights', rather than an individual having rights. At one time, Democrats did believe in the individual, but that sort of Democrat is a rare breed today.
Another poster said it best. The real difference would be in the terms 'conservative' and 'liberal' to describe the two types. These terms, I believe, are 180 degrees different in their meaning from how the rest of the world connotes the terms ( and in this case, the rest of the world is correct in definition, the socialists having co-opted the term liberal about the time of Franklin Roosevelt ). There are 'conservative' Repulicans and 'liberal' Republicans. I am certain that there are 'conservative' Democrats, but their voices are drowned out by the 'liberal' Democrats that dominate that political party.
So, in general terms ( note the neo-con reference earlier ), Republicans tend to be associated with the rights of the individual and the importance of private property, and Democrats tend to be associated with the power of the State trumping individual rights, and do not defend ( or at best, weakly support ) the concept of private property.
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