Pentagon adviser: France 'no longer ally'

UPI ^ | 2/4/2003 | Martin Walker

[Mossad1967]

France is no longer an ally of the United States and the NATO alliance "must develop a strategy to contain our erstwhile ally or we will not be talking about a NATO alliance" the head of the Pentagon's top advisory board said in Washington Tuesday...

[yonif]

It's about time someone said this about this anti-Semitic, anti-Israel, anti-USA, Socialist, Freedom-Hating country.

[dfwgator]

Au revoir frogs.

[Maedhros]

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Pentagon adviser: France 'no longer ally'

By Martin Walker
UPI Chief International Correspondent
From the International Desk
Published 2/4/2003 3:41 PM
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WASHINGTON, Feb. 4 (UPI) -- France is no longer an ally of the United States and the NATO alliance "must develop a strategy to contain our erstwhile ally or we will not be talking about a NATO alliance" the head of the Pentagon's top advisory board said in Washington Tuesday.

Richard Perle, a former assistant secretary of defense in the Reagan administration and now chairman of the Pentagon's Policy Advisory Board, condemned French and German policy on Iraq in the strongest terms at a public seminar organized by Iraqi exiles and American Middle East and security officials.

But while dismissing Germany's refusal to support military action against Iraq as an aberration by "a discredited chancellor," Perle warned that France's attitude was both more dangerous and more serious.

"France is no longer the ally it once was," Perle said. And he went on to accuse French President Jacques Chirac of believing "deep in his soul that Saddam Hussein is preferable to any likely successor."

French leaders have insisted the country will oppose any military action against Iraq without a second resolution by the United Nations Security Council, where it holds one of five crucial veto powers. Last November France did vote for Resolution 1441, which promised "serious consequences" if Iraq did not cooperate with U.N. weapons inspectors verifying that Iraq has indeed dismantled its programs for chemical, biological and nuclear weapons.

"I have long thought that there were forces in France intent on reducing the American role in the world. That is more troubling than the stance of a German chancellor, who has been largely rejected by his own people," Perle said, referring to the sharp electoral defeat suffered by Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder's party in state elections Sunday.

Although he is not an official of the Bush administration, Perle's position as the Pentagon's senior civilian adviser gives his harsh remarks a quasi-official character and reflects the growing frustration in the White House and Pentagon with the French and German reluctance to support their U.S. and British allies.

"Very considerable damage has already been done to the Atlantic community, including NATO, by Germany and France," Perle said.

"But in the German case, the behavior of the Chancellor is idiosyncratic. He tried again to incite pacifism, and this time failed in Sunday's elections in Hesse and Lower Saxony. His capacity to do damage is now constrained. Chancellor Schroeder is now in a box, and the Germans will recover their equilibrium."

Perle went on to question whether the United States should ever again seek the endorsement of the U.N. Security Council on a major issue of policy, stressing that "Iraq is going to be liberated, by the United States and whoever wants to join us, whether we get the approbation of the U.N. or any other institution."

"It is now reasonable to ask whether the United States should now or on any other occasion subordinate vital national interests to a show of hands by nations who do not share our interests," he added.

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[mabelkitty]

American Citizen Responds: "Duh!"

[Steven W.]

Apparently the French ignored the last memo from Powell reminding them of the Bush doctrine - the mission defines the coalition & if they're not with us they're against us.

[dfwgator]

Like they ever were our ally in the first place.

[OPS4]

The time has come for the EU Totalitarian regime to admit the obvious, they back middle east terrorists over the United States and England.

Now we can align the powers of the free world against such apparent agression!

Ops4 God Bless America!

[L,TOWM]

Perle went on to question whether the United States should ever again seek the endorsement of the U.N. Security Council on a major issue of policy, stressing that "Iraq is going to be liberated, by the United States and whoever wants to join us, whether we get the approbation of the U.N. or any other institution."

"It is now reasonable to ask whether the United States should now or on any other occasion subordinate vital national interests to a show of hands by nations who do not share our interests," he added.

Even better...

[Cold Heat]

I understand the new Euro-trash military establishment led by France wants 3 new aircraft carriers to appear more like a military power.

Sounds to me like they really are doing the same thing that N. Korea and Saddam are currently doing.

[metesky]

"It is now reasonable to ask whether the United States should now or on any other occasion subordinate vital national interests to a show of hands by nations who do not share our interests," he added.

About time someone said it.

[livius]

Wow! Pretty strong statement! I wonder what the French reaction will be?

[Jimmyclyde]

Wow! Pretty strong statement! I wonder what the French reaction will be?

"Don't hurt us please, take whatever you want, we surrender!!

[Mo1]

Pretty strong statement! I wonder what the French reaction will be?

Who cares

The French choose a madman like Saddam over their allies that have bailed their butts a number of times

Who needs friends like that

[AmishDude]

Wow! Pretty strong statement! I wonder what the French reaction will be?

Oh, come on, you already know.

[FreedomPoster]

>>I understand the new Euro-trash military establishment led by France wants 3 new aircraft carriers to appear more like a military power.

If they're built by the French, I'm sure they will dominate the seas in the range of their drydocks.

[weaponeer]

Wow! Pretty strong statement! I wonder what the French reaction will be?

They'll surrender??????

[Shermy]

www.AxisOfWeasels.com

[Jimmyclyde]

With "allies" like this who needs enemies....
Gaul vs. Julius Caesar - Gaul defeated by Rome circa 49 B.C. (Rome defeated the early French swine - the Frenchies had to Hail Julius Caesar as their new leader)

Gaul vs. Franks - Gaul defeated by Franks (the 'original' French, replaced by the Franks *sigh*)

Franks vs. Huns - Huns sack Paris circa 450 A.D. (Huns finally defeated here - Attila's ONLY defeat. Notice it was done by a German-Roman coalition, NOT the Franks)

Franks vs. Themselves - Clovis unites Franks into one kingdom around 511 A.D. He dies and the 'kingdom' falls apart at the seams. Ever hear of naming a successor or how bout a will?

Franks vs. Muslims - Charles Martel defeats a SMALL Muslim raiding party at the Battle of Tours in 732 A.D. Muslims lost interest so Charles claimed a 'great victory'. Notice they didn't follow up and kick the Muslims out of Spain though.....

Franks vs. Franks - Charlemagne crowned 'Emperor of the Romans', Christmas 800 A.D. Again this 'empire' fell apart by 840 A.D. - sheesh. Charlemagne could read but couldn't write - now what sense does that make?

Franks vs. Vikings - From 841 to 911 A.D. the Viking Warrior-Badasses mopped the Frankish countryside with Frank ass. France surrenders Normandy to Vikings 911 A.D. (Stupid mid-evil France was easily bullied by real warriors)

Franks vs. Black Death - 1347 - 1350 A.D. Black Death kills Frenchies good. This plague was said to originate in Mongolia, from the vermin. BUT, we all know it HAD to have came from the filthy French swine.

France vs. England - 100 Years War 1337 - 1453 A.D. Battle of Crecy - 1337 A.D. (English hand the French their own asses in the start of the 100 Years War with the timely use of the longbow. French knights are mowed down like the cannon fodder they were.) Battle of Poitiers, 1356 A.D. - More of the same. Battle of Agincourt, 1415 A.D. - Henry V gets some French butt-whoopin' action. Unfortunately, a heretic freak named Joan of Arc came along and united all the French Frogs and they managed to repel the English. And we all know where that got her....TOASTY.

France vs. World Culture - Renaissance starts in Italy circa 1200's, NOT IN FRANCE.

France vs. World Exploration/Economics - Commercial Revolution starts - major players are England, Spain, and Portugal. Notice who ISN'T on that list?

France vs. France - 1572 A.D. St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre by Queen Catherine. She killed thousands of protestants and Jews. Hrm...that sounds really familiar - the FINAL SOLUTION ring any bells? Evidently these bastards were no better than Nazi Germany and yet they are proud of their heritage?

France vs. Europe - War of Spanish Succession 1648 A.D. (France tries to fight rest of Europe over Spain and looses to Frederick William of Germany)

France vs. Europe - 7 Years War or French Indian War 1756 A.D. (France gets beat up on 2 different continents by England and Germany plus the early future Americans - a guy named George Washington ring any bells?)

France vs. France - French Revolution 1789 - 1799A.D. (France kicks their own asses) Dr. Guillotine makes a handy invention that allows the Frenchies to chop off their own heads with amazing speed - thanks Jacobin Republicans!

France vs. Europe - Waterloo 1815 A.D. (Wellington delivers knockout to Napoleon - 2nd time. This comes AFTER the Russian Winter destroyed the largest army in the World and the U.S. conned old Nappy in the Louisiana Purchase - WHAT A BARGAIN!)

France vs. France - French Revolution (again) 1848 A.D. (France is still kicking their own asses on a smaller scale)

France vs. Mexico - late 1860s - early 1870s A.D. - France conquers Mexico. Wow! Amazing. What an accomplishment. Funny though, when the U.S. decided to enforce the Monroe Doctrine and in so many words told France to get the HELL out of our side of the world, they tucked tail and ran.

France vs. Prussia - Franco-Prussian War 1870 A.D. (William I of Germany kicks the teeth out of Napoleon III - good old Willy proclaims himself emperor of Germany at the Palace of Versailles - can you say bitchslap?) This all started because France opposed the unification of Germany - notice this starts a nasty chain of events that doesn't end till 1945......seems to me we can almost chalk up WWI and II on the dumbass French.

France vs. Germany - WWI 1914-1918 A.D. (Germany beats the hell out of France - without the aid of USA, France would be speaking German. France only won because of Uncle Sam jumped in - then those dumbass sore-winners in France impose an incredibly harsh Treaty of Versailles to 'punish' the Germans. Notice the resulting conditions of this allowed the rise of an unknown Austrian named HITLER.

France vs. Germany - Rise of Hitler 1933-1939 A.D. (Germany bullies France into letting them take more territory - the wussies wouldn't even fight over it - they adopted a policy of 'appeasement' - can you say SCARED?)

France vs. Germany Round II - WWII June 22, 1940 A.D. (France surrenders to Hitler at Compiegne after putting up a fight that made Polish Army look good. Notice Vichy France who quickly jumped ship to be friends with the Germans. And once again without the help of good old Uncle Sam the Atlantic Wall would never have been penetrated - France would either be a part of the 3rd Reich or a satellite country of Communist Russia under Uncle Joe Stalin)

France vs. Vietcong - Vietnam 1954 A.D. (French Army at Dien Bien Phu surrender to Ho Chi Minh) Nuff Said.

MORAL: Even before Jesus walked the face of the Earth, the French have been getting their asses kicked. The smelly, cheese eating, fu-fu dressing French can't fight worth a damn. You TOO can conquer France!

[theFIRMbss]

>Like they ever were our ally in the first place.

1778 - February. France signs a treaty of alliance with the United States
and the American Revolution becomes a world war.

[Dane]

"Don't hurt us please, take whatever you want, we surrender!!

I doubt it. The modern French elite loathe Americans, like Clinton loathed the military. They will be petulant and have a tantrum.

The thing lost on the French though, is that they don't matter anymore, except to their bloated elitist egos.

[Magnum44]

The timing of this is not surprising. When Powell shows his this week he will show the Iraqi teams moving papers and materials from inspection sites prior to unannounced inspections. I said this last week: "Want to take a guess who is tipping off Saddam where inspectors are going?" I think by giving the inspectors certain intel we got a two-fer. Caught the Iraqis and a rat.

France has been over the line for some time now. They are about to be spanked.

[Jimmyclyde]

On a personal note this is the 3rd thread today in which I, along with others have bashed the French.

A great day.

It is the simple pleasures in life that keep us going.

[Southack]

Let's not forget that the Ayatollah Khomeni was harbored by France until he returned to Iran for their revolution that overthrew the Shah, ushering in this, the latest age of Islamic militantcy in the first place.

[hellinahandcart]

"France is no longer the ally it once was," Perle said. And he went on to accuse French President Jacques Chirac of believing "deep in his soul that Saddam Hussein is preferable to any likely successor."

I LOVE this guy Perle! Take that, Chirac!

[Justice]

LOL Great stuff.

[Stultis]

Tell 'em, Rick!

[Dog Gone]

I enjoy France-bashing as much as anyone, but the statement "France is no longer the ally it once was," hardly justifies the headline.

Further, it comes from a private citizen, and it carries exactly the same weight as Jimmy Carter's suckup comments to Cuba.

Having said that, I agree with everything Perle said.

[PhiKapMom]

Richard Perle, a former assistant secretary of defense in the Reagan administration and now chairman of the Pentagon's Policy Advisory Board (from article)

You are talking a very powerful board with the ear of the SecDef Rumseld IMO! The French are in the process of walking the plank and sawing it off!

[steveegg]

Great history lesson.

[ez]

Time for contemporary French socialists to completely undo the victory of Charles Martel, and let France go "Muslim."

[mountaineer]

BOYCOTT FRENCH TOURISM AND PRODUCTS

[INSENSITIVE GUY]

This may be a blessing in disguise.Rifts being created in the u.n.could help weaken it and hopefully cause its demise.

[Newbomb Turk]

Sacre Blu!

[Lion's Cub]

My guess is that the EU will develop its military power. Someday, it may even be dominant.

[glock rocks]

voici.

[Steel Wolf]

I think when the truth is made known, France won't be talking quite so tough.

I find it amusing that they are discussing three new aircraft carriers. A nation with an economy slighly smaller than Denmark, and no forgiegn policy to speak of aside from 'oppose America' seems to be on a poorly thought out track.

[steveegg]

While I agree with Pearle regarding France, I wouldn't let the Germans off the hook nearly that easily. It would seem that Iraq's best and greatest ally is the adopted home of one Adolf Hitler.

[Republic of Texas]

I hope he has Rummy's ear. I worry that Wolfowitz gets drowned out sometimes.

[hellinahandcart]

Wow! Pretty strong statement! I wonder what the French reaction will be?

Their reaction will be swift and horrible. Even before the US invades Iraq, FR will be invaded by hordes of smelly French trolls whining about the cowboy in the White House.

And what's going to piss them off most of all is that they will have had to take this insult from a Jew. Bwahahaaa...

[metesky]

If you are easily offended, do not click on the link below! Contains strong adult language!

The French

[Salamander]

Actually, the Gauls were an ancient Celtic race.

The arrival of the Franks constitutes the "birth" of the "French", as we know them.

"Gallic" is linguistically related to Gaelic.

Please do not disparage those noble, although defeated Celtic warriors by calling them "French".....:)

In a related note, Spain was formerly Iberia, another stronghold of the Celts, hence the term Celto-Iberian.

[ilgipper]

I know this is Pentagon official speaking, and not necessarily someone Bush placed in office, but he was originally a Reagan official, too. Once again we are seeing a starkly different attitude and approach from this Republican administration than we would from any Democratic one. A Clinton or Gore guy would cower in fear that we aren't friends with the French, and would agonize over what we must be doing wrong.

[The Vast Right Wing]

While he may be a private citizen, he is derisively know as the 'Prince of Darkness' to his enemies. I think this is definitely a signal/treat being sent to the french.

[sauropod]

Their food sucks! And they smell...

Wash up! Like me! Soap is cheap and water's free!

HRP

[steveegg]

My guess is that the EU will develop its military power. Someday, it may even be dominant.

How much money do you want to lose disproving that notion?

[showme_the_Glory]

"French President Jacques Chirac of believing "deep in his soul that Saddam Hussein is preferable to any likely successor."


So long Pepe LePew.......you stink and so does your camel friend.

[dfwgator]

1778 - February. France signs a treaty of alliance with the United States and the American Revolution becomes a world war.

They only used us to get to the British, just as we used Stalin to get rid of Hitler.

[TheBigB]

and the NATO alliance "must develop a strategy to contain our erstwhile ally..."

One troop of Boy Scouts with butter knives could contain France.

[The Vast Right Wing]

'I know this is Pentagon official speaking, and not necessarily someone Bush placed in office, but he was originally a Reagan official, too. Once again we are seeing a starkly different attitude and approach from this Republican administration than we would from any Democratic one. A Clinton or Gore guy would cower in fear that we aren't friends with the French, and would agonize over what we must be doing wrong.'

The Democrat Part, The French of North America!