IDF (Israel Defense Forces) won’t buy IMI Tavor rifle for lack of budget

Globes ^ | 4 February 2003 | Dror Marom

[Sender]

[STD]

What a pity, the IDF will have to make do with American weapons bought with American dollars!

[Travis McGee]

and can fire up to 750-900 rounds a minute.

COOL! I wonder where the belt goes in?

[elbucko]

Just another "Ugly" gun.

[archy]

Nope, Tavor is magazine-fed, using standard M16 magazines, though those truly large-capacity devices like the 100-round Beta-C or Chinese CXX drum can be used as well.

The light Israeli beltfed is the Negev squad auto weapon, and it can also be fed either by belt or magazine [hint: if a magazine is used the cyclic rate increases, since the bolt isn't slowed byu operating the belt camming feed lever and pawls] The Negev feeds from the left side, normally, though a righthand feed top cover can be used for twin-mount guns or special vehicle or aircraft applications.

But I'd think the SHRIKE LMG belt-fed upper mechanism for an M16 might be up your alley- they'll work with most any of the pre-ban registered full-auto M16 lower receivers though they are a bit pricy, at least until the *new* wears off the project. And they offer a quick-change barrel feature to the M16 design....

I remain fond of the Australian F89 Minimi though the US M249 SAW is very similar and close enough for most purposes. But the NEGEV is sweet, and the SHRIKE looks promising.

[archy]

More on the ARES 5,56mm beltfed conversion unit for the M16/M16A1/M16A2/M4 *here*

[archy]

What a pity, the IDF will have to make do with American weapons bought with American dollars!

Sorry, girls. When those from the *religion of peacy* come to cut your throats like they did at Gan Dafna, you'll have to make do with M16A1s and CAR15s. Hope they don't choke on the dust.

[Travis McGee]

What's the bottom picture? Archy getting ready for a business conference?

[Travis McGee]

#8: SCREENSAVER!!!

Where do I sign up????

[Squantos]

No speed loader jokes ? BTW that pig (the rifle) has a rate of fire that will need an ammo bearer........whats the yiddish term for "bawana" Yehuda ?

Stay Safe !

[harpseal]

I am making a presumption here that it uses some of the same types of reconfiguration options available on the Stoner 98 which could be reconfigured into a number of guises including as a belt fed LMG

[Travis McGee]

I'm just assuming it's an idiot reporter that doesn't know the difference between cyclic rate of fire and actual rounds fired per minute, changing mags etc.

[harpseal]

Roger that on the difference betwen cyclic rate and real rate of fire but given the specs on this I believe they do have a conversion that is belt fed.

[Joe Brower]

[archy]

Where do I sign up????

Right here, Chokolotnik

-archy-/-

[archy]

And now for the REALLY fun part of dealing with any sort of military organization: *Paperwork here*

[archy]

What's the bottom picture? Archy getting ready for a business conference?

No. That would be *archy finding it difficult to make choices about his plans for R&R.*

*Archy getting ready for his business conference* would be *this one.*

[Shooter 2.5]

Forget it.

I just noticed that the housing is separate. The Israeli Army doesn't issue those.

[archy]

BTW that pig (the rifle) has a rate of fire that will need an ammo bearer........what's the yiddish term for "bawana" Yehuda ?

I don't know, but you'd better figure out the term in Nepalese and Khaskura as well. The Indian Army just ordered 20 million dollars worth of the things for their Gurkhas and paratroops, having found that the Kalishnikov-variant INSAS rifle that they produce themselves was not quite what they were after. The Turks have also been looking at a major Tavor purchase to go with the Merkava MkIV tanks they're considering, though the older Galil design, a bit heavy but reliable as an AK and certainly sturdy enough for use even by Turkish conscripts [using the FN-FAL up till now] as a bayonet platform, is also under consideration- Urra, Urra!

It'll be interesting to see how the TAVOR serves with an M203 mounted, something most bullpups are pretty miserable with [even the Brits are now issuing Canadian C7 carbines for use with the blooper rather than try to hang them onto their discredited L85A1 Individual Weapons.] But the Tavor was said to have been designed with a UGL attachment in mind, though the Indians may go with the Soviet-pattern GP25 40mm UGL systems instead.

And Tavors are turning up in greater numbers in Bosnia as well, with another sale there, as even in subzero weather they work, more than you can say for some aluminum-and plastic 5,56mm rifles....