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Letter from Barrett firearms to LAPD
California NRA Members' Councils ^ | 12-11-02 | Ronnie Barrett

Posted on 02/04/2003 6:32:45 PM PST by Inspector Harry Callahan

Chief William J. Bratton
Los Angeles Police Department
150 North Los Angeles Street

Re: LAPD 82A Rifle, Serial No. 11**

Dear Chief Bratton,

I, a U.S. citizen, own Barrett Firearms Mfg. Inc., and for 20 years I have built .50 caliber rifles for my fellow citizens, for their Law Enforcement departments and for their nation's armed forces.

You may be aware of the latest negative misinformation campaign from a Washington based anti-gun group, the Violence Policy Center. The VPC has, for three or so years, been unsuccessful in Washington, D.C. trying to demonize and ban a new subclass of firearms, the .50 caliber and other "too powerful" rifles. This type of nibbling process has been historically successful in civilian disarmament of other nations governed by totalitarian and other regimes less tolerant of individual rights than the United States .

The VPC's most recent efforts directs this misinformation campaign at your state, attempting to get any California body to pass any law against .50 caliber firearms. In March 2002 the VPC caused the California State Assembly, Public Safety Committee to consider and reject the issue by a 5 to 0 with 1 abstaining vote.

Regrettably, the same material has been presented to your city council. I personally attended the council meeting in Los Angeles regarding attempts to bar ownership of the .50 caliber rifle in your city. I was allowed to briefly address the council. The tone of the discussion was mostly emotionally based, so the facts that I attempted to provide were ineffective to the extent they were heard at all. The council voted to have the city attorney draft an ordinance to ban the .50, and further, to instruct the city's representatives in Sacramento and in Washington D.C. to push for bans at their respective levels.

At that council meeting, I was very surprised to see an LAPD officer seated front and center with a Barrett 82A1 .50 cal rifle. It was the centerpiece of the discussion. As you know, there have been no crimes committed with these rifles, and most importantly, current California law does not allow the sale of the M82AI in the state because of its detachable magazine and features that make it an "assault weapon." This rifle was being deceptively used by your department. The officer portrayed it as a sample of a currently available .50 cal rifle, available for sale to the civilians of Los Angeles. One councilman even questioned how this rifle was available under current laws, but as I stated, facts were ineffective that day.

Your officer, speaking for the LAPD, endorsed the banning of this rifle and its ammunition. Then he used the rifle for photo ops with the Councilmen each of whom, in handling the firearm, may have been committing a felony. I was amazed.

Since 1968, with the closing of the U.S. Springfield Amory, all of the small arms produced for the various government agencies are from the private sector. Every handgun, rifle or shotgun that law enforcement needs comes from this firearms industry. Unless the City of Los Angeles has plans of setting up its own firearms manufacturing, it may need to guard the manufacturing sources it has now.

When I returned to my office from Los Angeles, I found an example of our need for mutual cooperation. Your department had sent one of your 82A1 rifles in to us for service. All of my knowledge in the use of my rifle in the field of law enforcement had been turned upside down by witnessing how your department used yours. Not to protect and serve, but for deception, photo opportunities, and to further an ill-conceived effort that may result in the use of LA taxpayer monies to wage losing political battles in Washington against civil liberties regarding gun ownership.

Please excuse my slow response on the repair service of the rifle. I am battling to what service I am repairing the rifle for. I will not sell, nor service, my rifles to those seeking to infringe upon the Constitution and the crystal clear rights it affords individuals to own firearms.

I implore you to investigate the facts of the .50, to consider the liberties of the law-abiding people and our mutual coexistence, and to change your department's position on this issue.

Sincerely,
BARRETT FIREARMS MANUFACTURING, INC.

Ronnie Barrett
President


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To: Squantos
We could always get some custom dies, a lathe, soem of the miniture fuses from the 20mm miltary surplus that one can still buy. Just an idea but I think you are right about having to go to a turd world toilet to get the proper fodder for this new toy.

Hey in my old age I have been sort of feeling an urge for a warmer clime who knows maybe I will?
51 posted on 02/04/2003 11:38:53 PM PST by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: FreedomCalls
What does a policeman need a 50 caliber BMG rifle for?

Well, the next Mrs. Weaver may be holding a baby behind a cinder block wall.

LEOs need to be ready for any contingency.

52 posted on 02/04/2003 11:42:36 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace; Shooter 2.5; Joe Brower
Kalifornistan is a "front line state" in this struggle. If we lose Kali, America will no longer be the free super power it has been.
53 posted on 02/04/2003 11:45:33 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Squantos
BTTT

Regards

alfa6 ;>}
54 posted on 02/04/2003 11:46:38 PM PST by alfa6 (Let us rest our eyes on the friendly skies, And the cool, green hills of Earth RAH)
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To: Noumenon; wardaddy
Our militarized "law enforcement" has become the standing army our founders feared.

Couldn't have said it better myself. War is coming.

And this is what it might look like, as the outer fringes of the storm arrive.

55 posted on 02/04/2003 11:52:10 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: harpseal
Seem we are the ugly Americans these days. Last I looked Brits are getting all the Ex-Pat smoothie soothie jobs with the emirs. I have been playing with a .338 lapua mag lately. I have it dialed in nicely with factory ammo.

Also been lusting for a Unertl USMC 10X that a company (that owns MMC sights and IWI H3 sights) bought and is selling "NEW" with civie serial numbers. 2500 $ a copy out the door... eliptical mil dots yada yada yak yak ayk....

I have to save my duckets for that but I'll have one I can take to the range in daylight soon.

Stay Safe !!!

56 posted on 02/04/2003 11:55:33 PM PST by Squantos (RKBA the original version of Homeland Security .....the one proven method that works !)
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To: alfa6
Back at ya......Stay Safe !!
57 posted on 02/04/2003 11:56:28 PM PST by Squantos (RKBA the original version of Homeland Security .....the one proven method that works !)
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To: harpseal
Do you mean a 20mm upper?

If so yes that would be legal.
58 posted on 02/05/2003 12:04:39 AM PST by Sabretooth (My handle is SabREtooth not SabERtooth.)
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To: Inspector Harry Callahan
"I am battling to what service I am repairing the rifle for."

Whatever he is trying to say I don't understand.

Good intentions is no excuse for bad writing.

--Boris

59 posted on 02/05/2003 1:24:29 AM PST by boris
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To: Travis McGee
If you are telling me that Kalifornia is somehow similar to the rest of the country, I'll tell you that you are crazy.
60 posted on 02/05/2003 4:11:57 AM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace (The one and only.)
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To: harpseal
Given that the lower reciever is the serial numbered part what law would make this illegal to own if one had it in conversion kit form?

You'd be making a Destructive Device by making a rifle with a bore diameter of over .50. Still legal to do on an ATF Form 1, if DDs are legal in your state and the CLEO will sign your Form 1.

61 posted on 02/05/2003 4:19:58 AM PST by Trailerpark Badass
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To: 2nd_Amendment_Defender
You know the answer, don't you! The cops of, pick the state, would, instead of going unarmed, willingly embrace the double standard, and break the laws of their own state, you know the ones that only apply to "civilians", and to remain armed would cross the border to purchase in states without the strict laws against, owning a gun, no, that should read strict anti-constitutional, rules, because you cannot have a law that usurps the Law of the Land, The Constitution of the United States of America. Can you?
62 posted on 02/05/2003 4:36:39 AM PST by wita
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To: Inspector Harry Callahan
bump
63 posted on 02/05/2003 4:39:13 AM PST by Centurion2000 (The question is not whether you're paranoid, but whether you're paranoid enough.)
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To: Inspector Harry Callahan
BTTT
64 posted on 02/05/2003 4:41:51 AM PST by StriperSniper (Start heating the TAR, I'll go get the FEATHERS.)
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To: boris; Inspector Harry Callahan
Good intentions is no excuse for bad writing.

Good writing doesn't make bad intentions noble.

65 posted on 02/05/2003 5:00:33 AM PST by packrat01 (but it probably ain't on Kalifornicate's approved list, either.)
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To: Sabretooth
nice companions, but seems you have a thing for cheep scopes...

have you found that they don't impair your hit ratio?

66 posted on 02/05/2003 5:15:05 AM PST by packrat01
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To: Dick Vomer
Better yet, maybe they'll buy the rifle back from the LAPD (wouldn't that be a hoot...a reverse "buy back"), repair it and sell it to a patriot in another state. If I had the means I'd love to buy the "liberated" rifle.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

67 posted on 02/05/2003 5:23:16 AM PST by wku man
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To: Travis McGee; FreedomCalls
-- What does a policeman need a 50 caliber BMG rifle for?

- Well, the next Mrs. Weaver may be holding a baby behind a
- cinder block wall.

You can also be certain that it makes their pee-pee feel bigger.


68 posted on 02/05/2003 5:40:34 AM PST by Joe Brower (http://www.joebrower.com/)
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To: Inspector Harry Callahan
Barrett bttt!
69 posted on 02/05/2003 5:43:42 AM PST by lodwick
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To: *bang_list
WOW
70 posted on 02/05/2003 6:15:05 AM PST by vannrox (The Preamble to the Bill of Rights - without it, our Bill of Rights is meaningless!)
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To: Joe Brower
Obviously they not only expect us to lick their boots, they expect us to like it.

(Service the rifle for a PD that is trying to ban them.)

71 posted on 02/05/2003 7:27:15 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Inspector Harry Callahan
"...less tolerant of individual rights..."

While I agree this is an excellent article and this man is a true patriot, there are certain buzz words we as a people in a constitutional republic should not use in certain context.
The people in this country have got to stop using words like tolerate, allow, civil rights, etc., and start using the correct words and statements that go along with them.

Instead of stating "...other regimes less tolerant of individual rights than the United States . " , I'd say something like other regimes that do not have a constitution securing the individual rights.
To use the word "tolerant" implies that we (like other countries) need governmental permission to do anything.

Tolerate "To allow , to be or done without prohibition; permit. "

As I've stated in the past, liberals don't care about the constitution, liberty, rights or any of that. Liberals believe that they are all knowing and that they and they alone can dictate what you can and can't do. We can continue to show them FBI (and other) reports that guns curb crime more often then help crime. It doesn't matter. Liberals believe that we are living in a democracy and if enough of them get together they can vote away all your God given Constitutionally secured rights.

We are fighting people who really don't give a tinkers damn about anyone's rights but their own and even then they call 'em privileges.

72 posted on 02/05/2003 7:29:33 AM PST by Mikey
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To: Joe Brower; weaponeer
What does a policeman need a 50 caliber BMG rifle for?

Every domestic firearms manufacturer should simply refuse to sell guns in Kalifornia. Between the LAPD hypocrisy and the 50 cal ban, the "safe" gun "drop test" BS, and the Perata "assault weapon" ban, California has already demonstrated THEY DON'T WANT GUNS IN THEIR STATE.

So stop selling them, ESPECIALLY to law enforcement agencies in California. They can buy some nice AK's from Kanuckistan, and get their pistols from Mexico. This attitude that so many LEO's have, especially at senior levels, that whats OK for me should be prohibited to you, is a complete and total refutation of everything the 2nd Amendment stands for.

Nice work Mr. Barrett, good on you.

73 posted on 02/05/2003 7:50:20 AM PST by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: FreedomCalls
Well said and correct.
74 posted on 02/05/2003 8:08:17 AM PST by Mikey
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
"The battle won't get to me...at least not anytime soon."

"In Germany they came first for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up."

Rev. Martin Neimoller, German Lutheran pastor arrested by the Gestapo in 1937

75 posted on 02/05/2003 8:29:11 AM PST by Mikey
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To: Inspector Harry Callahan
Please excuse my slow response on the repair service of the rifle. I am battling to what service I am repairing the rifle for.

Bump

76 posted on 02/05/2003 8:33:09 AM PST by cinFLA
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To: Shooter 2.5
"I found out it takes only five people on a town council to make a person put their house up for sale."

Thats why we must get rid of that democracy that has infested our republic.

Restore the republic and reclaim your God given Constitutionally secured rights or loose them by a mob vote.

77 posted on 02/05/2003 8:38:10 AM PST by Mikey
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To: zx2dragon
"...Criminal Use of the 50 Caliber Sniper Rifle."

How about "Criminal use" of a knife, bat, 2X4, automobile, rock, rope, etc., etc., etc.

78 posted on 02/05/2003 8:44:21 AM PST by Mikey
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To: Inspector Harry Callahan
Please excuse my slow response on the repair service of the rifle. I am battling to what service I am repairing the rifle for. I will not sell, nor service, my rifles to those seeking to infringe upon the Constitution and the crystal clear rights it affords individuals to own firearms

Freedom Fighter Bump!!

79 posted on 02/05/2003 8:47:31 AM PST by AUgrad
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To: packrat01
I plan on getting a nice scope for the .50 as soon as I have the funds. ie a job.

The scopes I have now have served their purpose of plinking between 100-250 yards. I will probably get a good one for long distance work.
80 posted on 02/05/2003 10:57:58 AM PST by Sabretooth (My handle is SabREtooth not SabERtooth.)
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To: boris
"I am battling to what service I am repairing the rifle for."

His actions speak louder than his words.

81 posted on 02/05/2003 12:04:21 PM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: hoosierham
SOME police really don't like any citizen being armed.

More guns, less crime, fewer LE jobs? Any LEO Freepers out there who wish to verify or rebut?

82 posted on 02/05/2003 12:16:05 PM PST by JimRed
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
"Anyone who voluntarily lives in Kalifornia deserves what he/she gets in my humble opinion."

IMHO you're an idiot.

83 posted on 02/05/2003 12:34:57 PM PST by semaj
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
Anyone who voluntarily lives in Kalifornia deserves what he/she gets in my humble opinion.

You might want to CC: JR about the above statement ... he lives in Fresno

We, the native born Californians, are doing our best to re-take our state from the misfits who moved here from other states and brought their liberal crap with them. Don't forget that this is the state of Ronald Reagan. We are not about to move from our native home state and surrender out birth-right to the liberal miscreants who have infested our state.

84 posted on 02/05/2003 12:45:23 PM PST by 1redshirt
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To: Inspector Harry Callahan
"Please excuse my slow response on the repair service of the rifle."

LOL!

Translation:
"When you see Satan wearing icicles, expect that rifle via Pony Express a week later!"

85 posted on 02/05/2003 1:50:00 PM PST by Redbob (Tony Orlando was NEVER any good...)
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To: Inspector Harry Callahan
Harry, my man!
86 posted on 02/05/2003 1:50:53 PM PST by AppyPappy (Will Code COBOL For Food)
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To: FreedomCalls
Right you are!
Mighta been fun if Randy Weaver or the Branch Davidians had had a Barrett or two!
87 posted on 02/05/2003 1:52:53 PM PST by Redbob (Tony Orlando was NEVER any good...)
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To: Squantos
Speakin' of Smith:
You might be interested in the new .50 revolver they have under development.
Pictures have been popping up at Smith-friendly sites.
(Hint: It looks remarkably like the well-built "Wessons" - the Dans!)
88 posted on 02/05/2003 1:57:21 PM PST by Redbob (Tony Orlando was NEVER any good...)
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To: jrd
Not to worry. The laws of Darwinian evolution will mete out justice to the festering boil that now afflicts the left buttock of the good ol' USA. Habla espanol'?
89 posted on 02/05/2003 1:59:17 PM PST by tracer
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To: FreedomCalls
"....by sending in a pot-bellied old sheriff to knock on Randy Weaver's door and say "Hey Randy, what's up? Ya know you missed yer court date the other day."

A couple of professional bail recovery agents -- unarmed, without attitude, and dressed in casual attire -- would have been more likey than local LEOs or a Fe(de)ral SWAT (Safer-With-A-Terrorist) Team to produce ol' Randy in court without producing a bruise or shedding a drop of blood...

90 posted on 02/05/2003 2:06:34 PM PST by tracer
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To: Inspector Harry Callahan
YES! BUMP THIS BABY TO THE TOP! BTTT!

When EVRY manufacturer refuses to sell to the police, the same police who are attempting to ban most of the manufacturers' market from buying from the manufacturers, maybe, just maybe, these idiot cops will change their tune. If they can't have their toys, then they might think twice.
91 posted on 02/05/2003 2:27:24 PM PST by PatrioticAmerican (Arm Up! They Have!)
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To: FreedomCalls
"What does a policeman need a 50 caliber BMG rifle for?"

...or a machinge gun, when all they are good for is killing a number of people quickly?
92 posted on 02/05/2003 2:29:44 PM PST by PatrioticAmerican (Arm Up! They Have!)
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To: Inspector Harry Callahan
Where is the obligatory link to Barrett? Here it is.

Barrett Rifles

Please send Mr. Ronnie Barret an e-mail of support. Anything will do.

mail@barrettrifles.com

93 posted on 02/05/2003 2:33:46 PM PST by PatrioticAmerican (Arm Up! They Have!)
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To: Travis McGee
I'd take strip the rifle to its last weld and send it to them with the note: "Sorry, I cannot ship such rifles to citizens of California. Therefore, I am shipping only the pieces back. You figure it out."
94 posted on 02/05/2003 2:37:41 PM PST by PatrioticAmerican (Arm Up! They Have!)
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To: zx2dragon
There was also a cop shot here with a 50 at an Albertsons grocery store. Then again, using fingers and toes, that is about all the 50 crimes ever committed.
95 posted on 02/05/2003 2:41:29 PM PST by PatrioticAmerican (Arm Up! They Have!)
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To: Inspector Harry Callahan
Watson's Wepaons

.50 BMG Custom Bolt Action Rifles

"We build a complete line of custom .50 BMG bolt action rifles. We start out by using high quality German designed and made custom barreled actions. We then add your choice of high quality laminated wood stock and bipod to make this a truly amazing gun to shoot and a real piece of art. We have several styles to choose from including our Standard Lite Weight, Modular Lite Weight SWAT, Lite Weight Hunting, and Bull Barrel Target model."

I want one.........

96 posted on 02/05/2003 2:59:18 PM PST by Mat_Helm
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To: jrd; ItisaReligionofPeace; cavtrooper21
"Hmmm.. The Socialist Republic of Kalifornia strikes again."

"Can the States of the United States come together and vote to do away with a State? Kalifornia does not speak for the rest of the country nor does it abide by the laws of the land...seem like if we voted them in the union we could vote them out!"

"Anyone who voluntarily lives in Kalifornia deserves what he/she gets in my humble opinion."

Can any of you read? Try it again below!

The VPC's most recent efforts directs this misinformation campaign at your state, attempting to get any California body to pass any law against .50 caliber firearms. In March 2002 the VPC caused the California State Assembly, Public Safety Committee to consider and reject the issue by a 5 to 0 with 1 abstaining vote.

The State of California got it right for a change. The City of Angels is another story.

97 posted on 02/05/2003 4:28:56 PM PST by gc4nra
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To: gc4nra
Where LA leads, often California follows. One would hope that this is one time where this does not happen, however my hopes are not too high. California has also enacted some of the most asnine and draconian firearms restrictions of any state. Most of these efforts were led and supported by LA and SF politicians and "special action groups" funded heavily by out-of-state money.
Ca is the testing ground for future socialist/New Democrat policy directed at the entire nation. These policies are not only directed at 2nd Amendment rights, but also at the family structure, education, and other basic building blocks of our nation as it stands today. The chaos / corruption of LA stands as a shining example of what is in store for all of us if the brakes are not applied now. The re-election of Gov. Davis by the STATE of California shows that the rot has spread. There are a huge number of very fine people, both "liberal" and "conservitive" that call California home, however too many of their fellow Californians have bought into the New Democrat lie and they suffer for it.
When the Government of California repeals some of the more idiotic and worthless restictions it has saddled its citizens with in the name of "crime prevention" and "public safety", I'll belive that they are trying to chart a more reasonable course for all the people of California. Untill then - the "Socialist Republic of Kalifornia" will remain that way, at least to me.
98 posted on 02/05/2003 5:12:57 PM PST by cavtrooper21 (Shoot 'em if they stand, cut 'em if they run!)
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To: PatrioticAmerican
I'd be very tempted to put a very subtle kink in the barrel before sending it back.

But I know Ronnie B. wouldn't do that.

99 posted on 02/05/2003 5:19:32 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
Yeah, maybe he can let you deliver it for him? ;>
100 posted on 02/05/2003 5:35:58 PM PST by PatrioticAmerican (Arm Up! They Have!)
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