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Freeper Breaks Foam Problem Story at FR First!!!
Freerepublic ^ | 4/1/03 | Freepers

Posted on 02/04/2003 9:32:29 PM PST by Jael

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To: Black Agnes
Wonder how many bird cages will be lined with the shredded papers when they're done...

There are too many straight up and honest taggers at NASA for any coverup to work. Especially the older ex-military types near retirement. Some of them are having fits right now.

FYI, I understand that there was supposed to be an announcement Monday of who the next major shuttle contractor was supposed to be. I understsand that is on hold. It was supposed to be some contractor with a "hispanic name". I suppose that might be Hernandez Engineering or someone else.

51 posted on 02/05/2003 10:44:49 AM PST by isthisnickcool
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To: Jael
IMHO the title should read: "Simpleton whacknut jumps to conclusions before all shuttle debris is collected for analysis"
52 posted on 02/05/2003 10:49:53 AM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: isthisnickcool
Ah. I wasn't implying that the engineers would do any shredding. Unless they lied outright about experimental outcomes. The administrators and bureaucratic pencil pushers might IMHO. Wonder how many administrators aren't ex-mil types. Hmmm.
53 posted on 02/05/2003 10:50:18 AM PST by Black Agnes
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To: Willie Green
LOL!
54 posted on 02/05/2003 10:50:28 AM PST by katnip
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To: davisfh
It's doubtful that you'll ever see anything about this on the evening news.

Just as we never heard a word about the fact that they stopped spraying asbestos based insulation on all girders above the 55th floor of the WTC during construction in the '70's due to EPA regulations.

I blame the Muslims for destroying the WTC...I blame the deaths of thousands that day and the deaths of the Columbia 7 on this type of piss poor thinking

55 posted on 02/05/2003 10:51:02 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts ()
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To: Constitution Day
LOL
56 posted on 02/05/2003 10:52:05 AM PST by Chad Fairbanks ('I WISH, at some point, that you would address those damned armadillos in your trousers." - JustShe)
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To: Black Agnes
What? YOu are kidding me?? Someone finally asks and they blow it off???

I must find the transcripts to that briefing!!!
57 posted on 02/05/2003 10:54:44 AM PST by Jael
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To: Jael
Yup, blew him off. Although, IMHO strictly, the Huntsville reporter didn't do a very good job of wording the question. I'd have worded it so that weasel word answers would be difficult to give. He seemed nervous though so I'll give him a break :).
58 posted on 02/05/2003 10:57:46 AM PST by Black Agnes
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To: Jael
When we were young, we had a saying when one was being a bit arrogant..."So what do you want, a medal, or a chest to pin it on?"
59 posted on 02/05/2003 10:59:42 AM PST by Hildy
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To: backhoe
Thanks for posting that!
60 posted on 02/05/2003 11:00:30 AM PST by Jael
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To: Jael
Actually, I think it was this guy. Might want to email him this thread.

Huntsville Times News Article
61 posted on 02/05/2003 11:01:07 AM PST by Black Agnes
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To: Constitution Day
Actually I'm a she. :-)
62 posted on 02/05/2003 11:01:59 AM PST by Jael
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To: Jael
YES! This is the guy!!!

John Anderson, Political Columnist, Huntsville Times

Hope he isn't a Goron.
63 posted on 02/05/2003 11:03:44 AM PST by Black Agnes
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To: Willie Green; *all
Actually, the Freeper broke the story of the foam, and the "enviroment friendly" issue. No one is for sure what caused the accident.

In honor of the memory of the Seven, all the facts should be known. Not just what the liberal media will tell you.

64 posted on 02/05/2003 11:04:53 AM PST by Jael
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To: Jael
Well, you see, you're 'technical minded' and posted 'geeky stuff' so you must be a guy! See how that works? :)
65 posted on 02/05/2003 11:05:22 AM PST by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes
I agree. There are good people at NASA. But there are also people who will try to CYA. Look at Challenger.

66 posted on 02/05/2003 11:06:44 AM PST by Jael
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To: Hildy
It wasn't me that broke the story, so your callous remarks are not needed or wanted. Thanks.
67 posted on 02/05/2003 11:07:59 AM PST by Jael
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To: Jael
Thanks for looking.
68 posted on 02/05/2003 11:08:00 AM PST by backhoe (The 1990's will be remembered as "The Decade of Fraud(s)..." ( Clintons, Dot-Bombs, Oslo... ))
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To: Jael
Actually I'm a she. :-)

OOPS!
Normally I am adept at telling the difference.

My apologies, ma'am. :)

69 posted on 02/05/2003 11:15:34 AM PST by Constitution Day
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To: Black Agnes
I am going to email him.

There is also a guy here in Birmingham who might touch it.

Thanks so much, you have been so helpful. :-)
70 posted on 02/05/2003 11:16:00 AM PST by Jael
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To: Jael
They weren't even meant to be callous...I always thought it was funny when I heard it, but then again, I was 10 the last time I heard it! :)
71 posted on 02/05/2003 11:16:22 AM PST by Hildy
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To: Jael
I just emailed him. Freepmail me an email and I'll send you a copy of what I sent. Maybe if he gets it from several people he'll be more likely to look at it. :)
72 posted on 02/05/2003 11:23:14 AM PST by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes
Thanks! But really, the guy who first found the info is the one who got me interested. (Enlightiator)

I try to post from NASA sources and other printed material to make sure things are right, so it's really not that I am a techie, although I wish I was.

I actually worked in politics. :-)

This event hits home for a couple of reason. We are members of the Space and Rocket Center in Huntsville, and it looks like the foam call was made at Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville.

Also, my uncle works at Michoud.
73 posted on 02/05/2003 11:25:06 AM PST by Jael
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To: Jael
No one is for sure what caused the accident.

Coulda fooled me.
The Foamheads have been almost as fanaticly focused as the "Medicinal" Hempsters.

74 posted on 02/05/2003 11:29:39 AM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Jael
Ah. I'm a scientist. One of my relatives is a PhD physicist that worked on the tile program. He clued us into the early damage and possible cause of the whole thing early Sat morning. In fact, he had been tracking it as he does all the shuttle re-entries. He called because he knew the first thing *I* would think of was Stinger missile attack. He called to tell me that it was at 200K ft and not terrorism. *LOL*. We have a very geeky family, lots of scientist types.

The bee in my bonnet with this is not wanting the (liberal) press to drop the EPA regs as part of a cause if tile damage from the foam hit is determined as a reason. All these EPA regs (the 'silly' ones) have been sold as 'no consequences' to humanity. In science, there are always tradeoffs. Informed tradeoffs are better than blind dogmatically obedient ones.

75 posted on 02/05/2003 11:34:21 AM PST by Black Agnes
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To: Black Agnes
Would be interested to know what your phd thinks about the emerging evidence.
76 posted on 02/05/2003 12:12:40 PM PST by fooman (PC Kills!)
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To: Jael
Thank you so much for the kudos! Hugs!
77 posted on 02/05/2003 1:09:34 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: fooman
Haven't talked to him since the weekend. I'll see if I can contact him. He's probably busy and working overtime now.
78 posted on 02/05/2003 3:20:32 PM PST by Black Agnes
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To: davisfh; unspun
The formula was changed around 1996/1997 to make it more "environmentally friendly." I'm sure that no consideration was given to manned space flight safety when this happened.


They yanked the freon to save the ozone layer. The ice would only form UNDERNEATH the insulating layer if the insulation had already come "unglued" - compared to the billions of A/C units using freon WHATEVER the shuttle used would be akin to peeing in the ocean - and putting our guys and gals with the right stuff at risk for no reason. Sigh.
79 posted on 02/05/2003 3:51:53 PM PST by Tunehead54 (RIP Columbia & Challenger Crews)
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To: Black Agnes
I emailed him too, have not heard anything. He lives and works in Huntsville, where MSFC is. I doubt he will try and follow up. MSPC is the one who is responsible fr the foam and the follow up on the formula investigations. He peobably doesn't want to make the home folks mad. So many people depend on the jobs there.

I may email the guy in Birmingham who has been covering the story. I think his name is Kenneth Faulk.
80 posted on 02/06/2003 11:19:39 AM PST by Jael
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To: Constitution Day
No problem at all. :-)
81 posted on 02/06/2003 11:20:09 AM PST by Jael
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To: backhoe
There was a story in the Birmingham News yesterday that said "Freon is implicated in the destruction of the ozone layer" or something to that effect. Just printed as fact.

That's the problem here. Thanks again for that lik.
82 posted on 02/06/2003 11:23:17 AM PST by Jael
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To: Tunehead54
One article mentioned the freon as if it were a culprit in and of itself. Said it was "a very volatile gas".
83 posted on 02/06/2003 11:26:50 AM PST by Jael
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To: Jael
Just printed as fact.

That is the heart of the problem- the media in this country ( and I include the "propaganda arm"- the entertainment media... in that definition ) has a pre-adjusted template of things they consider good, bad, and simply so far out of bounds that they won't even mention it.

My participation in the Freon War predates my appearance on the web, consequently I don't have a lot of links to it- it was a done deal by the time I got here.

But to sum up, the Wall Street Journal was the only paper of national stature to point out that there were an equal, if not greater, number of scientists, researchers, and academics who looked at the same data the anti-Freon crowd did, and reached opposite conclusions.

Indeed, the late Dixie Lee Ray ( former WA state Governor ) wrote columns debunking the Freon-is-harmful/evil myth... and found little interest by publications, outside of the Journal. The press had their preconceived point of view, and were not even interested in exposing the public to any dissent.

84 posted on 02/06/2003 12:28:39 PM PST by backhoe (Do NOT Read this! Under penalty of Law!)
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To: Jael
One article mentioned the freon as if it were a culprit in and of itself. Said it was "a very volatile gas".


Freon is an inert gas. I do not believe its explosive unless air as explosive if compressed and released suddenly. Freon when compressed and then allowed to expand makes AC work. Why its useful in foam I do not know - all I do know is that they changed the foam insulation formula to be more environmentally friendly - and perhaps less effective in its adhesion and insulatory qualities. FTEM.
85 posted on 02/06/2003 8:00:39 PM PST by Tunehead54 (RIP Columbia & Challenger Crews)
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