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FReeper Gets Internal N. Korea Documents via FNN; Concern Now Is Over Public-Order Collapse (Hot!)
Fuji TV Network from Sankei Shimbun from Internal DPRK Sources (in Japanese) ^ | 6 February 2003 | AmericanInTokyo

Posted on 02/05/2003 3:16:30 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo

[Sensitive Documents From North Korea the Japanese Recently Obtained]

As a service to Free Republic (and the cause of Truth, Freedom, and National Security) it is my pleasure to synopsize-translate-comment, link to the original report, and pass on to you a quite interesting report today from Tokyo, Japan. This comes through the services of Fuji Television (FNN News). It has to do with internal Communist Korean Worker's Party government documents smuggled out of North Korea which seem to show an increasing level of internal concern and nervous tension over a break up of public order (i.e. 'loss of control') and decline in socialist thought-control over average North Koreans.

This may explain exactly why Kim Jong-il appears to be acting uncharacteristically bold these days, and that brinksman North Korea seems intent to "go for broke" as perhaps there seems to be few options left for the cruel despots clinging to state-terror power.

Please read on, below (from the original Japanese-languge web report).


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Japan; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: dprk; fujinewsnetwork; internaldocs; kimjongil; northkorea; nukes; regimecollapse; socialorder
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To: AmericanInTokyo; Mercuria; nunya bidness
WOW! And again, WOW!

101 posted on 02/05/2003 4:33:03 PM PST by AnnaZ
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To: Sender
Now if we can just beam MTV at them 24/7, we can accelerate the total demise of their society. Bwa ha ha ha haaaaa!!!

I was thinking we should bomb them with Playboy and cold Budweiser.

102 posted on 02/05/2003 4:37:04 PM PST by Newbomb Turk (Don't drink the punch)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
"As a result, I respectfully dismiss this as 'disinformation', as you may have suggested."

Sorry, I was trying to say that whether this new document is real OR NOT, it still fits in with the Communist short-term goal of appearing very desperate/crazy.

It may very well be real, I have no way of confirming nor denying that fact, but the document works towards the North Koreans' short-term goal regardless.

With that knowlege in mind, this document may very well have been leaked by the DPRK security police themselves, even if it is true (something rather rare for them).

103 posted on 02/05/2003 4:40:21 PM PST by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Were I eating dirt to exist, a bit of porn would probably seem like just the right ticket to punch before dying.
104 posted on 02/05/2003 4:43:16 PM PST by lodwick (Republicans for Sharpton)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
I think the South will do itself great harm if it send bucks to the North. Let them colapse on their own.

Radio propaganda comes to mind. The North needs to hear some.

105 posted on 02/05/2003 4:45:45 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: mykdsmom
Holy kimchee! Have you seen this?
106 posted on 02/05/2003 4:48:36 PM PST by Constitution Day
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To: AmericanInTokyo
BTTT Excellece in FReepership award to YOU! Thanks AmericanInTokyo! What an interesting, but not surprising report. Those unfortunate people...
they are getting their hands on forbidden American movies, tapes, pictures, novels, and bibles, all outlawed by North Korea as a threat to socialist order and Kim Jong-il's iron control.
Funny, her forbids "his" people what he relishes himself. Typical despot. It's good about the Bibles though. I hope WE will liberate them soon. No thanks to appeaser JImmy Carter who propped them up. Wonder if Madeline Albright will want to go over for another FEAST, while the citizens STARVE!
FRreepers Rock!


107 posted on 02/05/2003 4:48:38 PM PST by Libertina
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Bump for a great scoop, AIT!!
108 posted on 02/05/2003 4:52:01 PM PST by Humidston (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law)
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To: Thud
NK refugee comments about ordinary soldiers having lost discipline, i.e., acting like thieves, indicates that the rot has spread from the top to the ranks.

An inherent problem of running a corrupt state, is that corruption has to be restricted to very limited number of people. This is for two reasons:

- A widely corrupt state is an ineffecient one, and the damage expands geometrically every time it drops a level. There is a huge difference between a few people skimming some off the top and everyone and their brother taking a cut. Once people realize that their supervisors are corrupt, and they can get in the act, they will. Anyone with anything to offer will start to cut deals.

- A widely corrupt state is breeds intrigue, deception, and paranoia. People who risk their lives to cut deals will make sure that their tracks are covered, and that the books are well cooked. Every time that information changes hands, it may change substantially, to reflect the needs of whoever is passing it. This means that high level officials have no reassurance that they know what the real situation is, or who they can really trust. The real economy and centers of power exist off-line; the official line is an obstacle, not to be used except as required.

As the corrupt leaders of North Korea have sown, so shall they reap; a nation rotten to the core, with schemers, liars, and opportunists at every level.

109 posted on 02/05/2003 4:53:11 PM PST by Steel Wolf
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To: DoughtyOne
If NK goes ballistic because they don't get money and concessions......
I will go ballistic if the U.S. gives NK money and concessions!
North Korea is in the final throws of death, for the sake of the common NK citizen let it be quick and sure. America will with great kindness pick up the pieces if they know the new leadership is intent on righteousness.
110 posted on 02/05/2003 4:54:50 PM PST by duk
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To: Southack
I agree with you on this. Whether this is true or not is not something that I can not ascertain, but it does fit with their current strategery. How many documents of this obviously sensitive nature "escaped" from NK? Why now?

I do not think that it is prudent to hit the ground running in an assumed direction. I do not think its wise to simply dismiss the possibility of this being NK propaganda.

AIT has done a wonderful job of getting this info to FR before it is ANYWHERE in the US media or in English even.

Thank you AIT.

Lets just not make the mistake of overlooking possibilities and making faulty assumptions.
111 posted on 02/05/2003 4:57:37 PM PST by myself6
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To: AmericanInTokyo
BUMP for a great scoop!!! FreeRepublic rules the information age.
112 posted on 02/05/2003 5:00:00 PM PST by putupon (The Democratic Party and Clinton's sold our missiles to Communist China)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
The Baath Party, which rules Iraq, is actually the Baath Socialist Party... but for some reason, the media rarely mentions that... -

and, they never fail to mention the notorius "Republican" guard. It is rather blatent and sickening. Sort of like Ted Dansen's little jab about Republicans in is sorry excuse for a tv show.

113 posted on 02/05/2003 5:01:23 PM PST by FreeAtlanta
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To: myself6
OOPS...

It should have read. "..is not something that i can ascertain.."

AND

"..."escaped" from NK in the past?"

Sorry for the 4th grade grammer.
114 posted on 02/05/2003 5:04:13 PM PST by myself6
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Something like 70% of the people in N. Korea appear to be on the outs with the party generally. Any chance of arming that 70%?

Basically, instead of dropping leaflets and beaming propaganda at the place, is there any reason we couldn't be dropping cheap rifles and ammo, possibly some of the old Mosins which the Russians have stored in depots along with 7.62x54 ammo? I should think that a couple of hundred thousand of those in the hands of that 70% might cause the beloved leader and his A$$#ole crew a bit of consternation there...

115 posted on 02/05/2003 5:05:14 PM PST by merak
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To: Southack
Sorry, I was trying to say that whether this new document is real OR NOT, it still fits in with the Communist short-term goal of appearing very desperate/crazy

Appearing desperate and crazy is a national policy of North Korea that they have used for decades. It's not a very hard sell, either. I don't imagine that they are any more crazy than usual. They may well be more desperate, but that is only because North Korea has no effective patron state, no way to sustain its operations independently, and a very powerful enemy that it has been irritating for almost 60 years.

You're right in that it is mostly an act; the North Korean leaders are calculating and methodical, often incompetently so. They are also walking into a trap.

Bush's point at the U.N., to be made sometime this summer, will be that if North Korea is desperate, it is their own doing. All they have to do is get in line with the international community, blah blah blah, and we'd help them out. He'll throw cash, food and oil on the table, and he'll ask for some concessions that will sound rather bland and appeasing. The right will gasp in horror, the left will cheer, and the North Koreans will accuse us of being despotic aggressors, refuse entirely, and storm out.

Cue the U.N. sanctions, cue the USN blockade. Past that, it's war or collapse for North Korea.

116 posted on 02/05/2003 5:07:55 PM PST by Steel Wolf
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To: AmericanInTokyo
I am sure people will want to hit the link above. Please don't be discouraged in working your way through the Japanese. Unless there is a way to archive the Japanese version from the web ASAP, it may be difficult to access this story again.

What a find! I've cached the page here, along with your translation. (The N. Korea article is the first one in the list. Click on [cached] at the bottom of the summary paragraph.)

117 posted on 02/05/2003 5:10:59 PM PST by jennyp (http://crevo.bestmessageboard.com)
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To: Steel Wolf; Dark Wing
Excellent comments.
118 posted on 02/05/2003 5:11:02 PM PST by Thud
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To: merak
The North Koreans are a very heavily armed group, overall. Aside from the military, there are several 'reserve' and 'militia' organizations, numbering in the millions.

(The Red Guards Militia, the Worker-Peasant Red Guards, and the Red Youth Guards, etc.)

Most of the militia units are local, and have light machine guns, grenades, anti-aircraft guns, etc. Military training is extremely common, usually on Sundays. A town will hold their own local training, starting at adolescence with the Red Youth Guards)

119 posted on 02/05/2003 5:14:44 PM PST by Steel Wolf
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BUMP
120 posted on 02/05/2003 5:14:47 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
The Baath Party, which rules Iraq, is actually the Baath Socialist Party

Perhaps this is why the socialists in the US and Europe are so oddly turned on against an attack on Iraq.

121 posted on 02/05/2003 5:15:15 PM PST by expatpat
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To: Steel Wolf; AmericanInTokyo
Take a look at this thread, including the comments by me, TigerLikesRooster and Dark Wing.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/835830/posts

122 posted on 02/05/2003 5:15:29 PM PST by Thud
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To: Steel Wolf; AmericanInTokyo
There's a problem for the North Koreans, I think, if they invade South Korea - the soldiers will immediately be able to see how much better the South Koreans have been living. Will that lead to rebellion?

I think what I'm saying is they can't really invade without opening their own society to some extent or another. Does Kim Jong Il realize this, do you think?
123 posted on 02/05/2003 5:16:07 PM PST by Amelia (Who's sending missile parts to Iraq?)
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To: RobFromGa
What is causing the North Korean people to rebel spontaneously in a land with no free speech and no due process?

Perhaps they have eaten all of the pebbles, twigs, bark and grass in the country and they're itching to try one of those western Happy Meals they've heard about.

124 posted on 02/05/2003 5:16:21 PM PST by Zebra
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To: RobFromGa
'What is causing the North Korean people to rebel spontaneously in a land with no free speech and no due process?'

Must be that rumbling feeling in their tummies.
125 posted on 02/05/2003 5:17:21 PM PST by keats5
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To: Libertina
*Funny, her forbids "his" people what he relishes himself.*

Pygmies, evil dictators and sociopaths are like that ;^)
126 posted on 02/05/2003 5:17:40 PM PST by prairiebreeze ("We won't deny, ignore or pass our problems along to other Presidents" --GWBush)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
There's been A-LOT of prayer about this, over the years.

Let's add to it.
127 posted on 02/05/2003 5:18:59 PM PST by unspun (Official U.S. acknowledgement of Christ -- Constitutional since "the Year of our Lord" 1787)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
This post quite literally knocks my sox off! I'm beyond "impressed".

Way to go Freeper!!
128 posted on 02/05/2003 5:19:08 PM PST by prairiebreeze ("We won't deny, ignore or pass our problems along to other Presidents" --GWBush)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
This isn't really off topic...but remember the gunman, clutching a sheaf of papers, who got inside the gates of the UN a few months ago? He fired a few shots into the air and stood with his hand on his hip and looking really impatient while the UN security guards surrounded him. His attitude struck me not as dangerous, but like he was saying "Come ON already, HURRY UP!!"

I've often wondered what was in those documents he was holding and whether the UN would ever come clean...which it hasn't. Looks like an alternative method for getting the word out was more successful.

129 posted on 02/05/2003 5:21:49 PM PST by cake_crumb (Without dictators, what reason would we have to keep the UN?)
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To: Thud
I like your PSYOPs idea. I wish we were a lot more aggressive with them on this front, which could potentially have a very good return for what money we'd invest into it. The traditional line seems to be to not try and destabilize the regime, overtly or covertly. Reading your post makes me even more convinced that there is merit to the covert approach.
130 posted on 02/05/2003 5:23:00 PM PST by Steel Wolf
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To: FreedomPoster
"Any news outlet that doesn't have a staffer glued to FreeRepublic is plain-and-simple *stoopid*. This site is the best news filter going. Period."

Wow. That's the job for me!
131 posted on 02/05/2003 5:25:58 PM PST by keats5
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To: All
Well, these people are starving to death. They may resort to eating Kim Jung Il and the other party members when they overthrow them. The more it looks like the communists are losing power the crazier they will act. Bet on that.
132 posted on 02/05/2003 5:37:49 PM PST by txradioguy (Doing my part to keep the country free)
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To: Steel Wolf
An effective PSYOPS campaign would be to warm a box of MRE's, set them at the DMZ and let the smell waft over to the north. They'd come in droves over to our side.
133 posted on 02/05/2003 5:39:09 PM PST by txradioguy (Doing my part to keep the country free)
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To: Amelia
There's a problem for the North Koreans, I think, if they invade South Korea - the soldiers will immediately be able to see how much better the South Koreans have been living. Will that lead to rebellion?

It won't lead to rebellion. It will lead to a lot of them not being lead anywhere. North Korean soldiers who know what the South is like, free from the security apparatus (who won't deploy with the army) and south of the DMZ could desert at the drop of a hat. Entire units could go rogue and disband, if prompted by their commanders (who would also be fleeing south).

To complicate things, the North Korean high command doesn't know for certain that an order to invade south would be obeyed by their own officers. The senior unit commanders know the score. Defending their side of the line is one thing, crossing it to certain death and defeat is another entirely. Unit commanders could either disobey or deliberately misinterpret orders to avoid battle. Any such men would be well treated by the victorious joint US-Korean forces later.

Nuclear weapons are much more reliable.

134 posted on 02/05/2003 5:39:30 PM PST by Steel Wolf
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To: AmericanInTokyo
--It is said the Party must put its foot down at all costs, reject and keep out ALL Western influences and Capitalist influences, for it may erode and decay the socialist system.

In other words, if they had to compete in the arena of Ideas, they would lose. Therefore, they must keep those ideas from the NK workers.

135 posted on 02/05/2003 5:42:28 PM PST by ez ("If this is not evil, then evil has no meaning." - GWB)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
How interesting you should mention its (socialist) mysterious omission. The Baath Socialist Party - each and every time the discussion of Iraq comes up - yours truly remembers to include it - the Socialists I work however cringe when they hear the term. I guess it's just another example of the Left wing refusing to admit that their ideology leads to horror shows all over the world.
136 posted on 02/05/2003 5:44:28 PM PST by eleni121
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To: AmericanInTokyo
"The US, in my opinion, for too long has not worked on ways to get the truth into North Korea on the standard AM band through some kind of clever technology to fiddle with the NK bandwith spectrum, and get broadcast in just below or above NK frequencies..."

True. Instead we got the Clinton/Carter/UN/DRPK Agreed Framework, weapons inspectors and food aid shipments (frequently delayed, and then untracked after delivery)

These problems in NK didn't start with the present Bush administration. They've been at a head for years now. The timing of NK's 'sudden' political implosion really bothers me. Kim seems to be pulling a quid pro quo, but the MEDIA attention and cries of 'crisis' gets me.

137 posted on 02/05/2003 5:44:45 PM PST by cake_crumb (Without dictators, what reason would we have to keep the UN?)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Incredible. Thank you so much for the translation and the post.
138 posted on 02/05/2003 5:46:14 PM PST by Darlin' ("If this isn't evil, then evil has no meaning")
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To: Sender
Now if we can just beam MTV at them 24/7, we can accelerate the total demise of their society.

Actually, for some it would have the opposite effect. You know, "if that is what the west has to offer then maybe what we have ain't so bad"... Most people I know think that MTV is disgusting.

139 posted on 02/05/2003 5:47:00 PM PST by eleni121
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To: Dog Gone
North Koreans are worried about losing ideological control over the population

While it is good to see perhaps a sliver of truth appearing in the general population thoughts, I have to wonder just how much idelogical control does the Party still have over its soldiers and military officers?

If the military cannot be converted, US relations to North Korea will have a new element added to the current distrust... one of pitty.

140 posted on 02/05/2003 5:50:57 PM PST by VetoBill (Who is the actor that plays Dan Rather?)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
You Da-Man!
141 posted on 02/05/2003 5:51:02 PM PST by RightWinger
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Imagine if Ceausescu had had nukes and missiles to project them.

If he did, the Soviets would have shot him before the Romanian people did. They knew he was nuts.

142 posted on 02/05/2003 5:51:26 PM PST by Timesink (My name's Harley Earl. And I've come back to build you a great tampon.)
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To: Steel Wolf
And all are useless. These militias and the regular army are just a prison camp without walls. Their mission is to not overthrow the government. Military effectiveness is not a factor.
143 posted on 02/05/2003 5:51:49 PM PST by Thud
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To: Amelia
They don't have the petroleum, oil and lubricants to invade. That possibility ended when the USSR died. The most the NKPA can do is bombard the Seoul area from border fortifications. Whether they can do even that now is open to question.
144 posted on 02/05/2003 5:53:24 PM PST by Thud
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Whoa...excellent post. Tricky time for the North Korean people. What caused the people to rise up? One big reason - President Bush noticed their suffering and told the world. Prisoner Nation: Why North Koreans cheered Bush's "axis of evil" designation, Feb. 5, 2003
145 posted on 02/05/2003 5:53:59 PM PST by Ragtime Cowgirl (Clearly, Saddam Hussein and his regime will stop at nothing until something stops him.- Colin Powell)
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To: Thud
The militias are set up to defend against attacks from the rear, coasts, and from airborne / airmobile attacks. North Korea had a lot of trouble in being outflanked and cut off in the Korean War, so Kim Il Sung made the idea of an 'impregnable rear' one of his twelve guiding military principles.

That having been said, their militia would be little more than cheap, ineffective cannon fodder. They'd be of marginal use in defending NK from an attack, and no use in supporting an advance south. I was just pointing out to another poster that the populace is by no means disarmed.

146 posted on 02/05/2003 6:02:56 PM PST by Steel Wolf
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Thank you, thank you, thank you.....................for reporting on things that our media here in the US has not reported on.

This is another example of why Freepers are the MOST informed bunch on the web.

147 posted on 02/05/2003 6:06:04 PM PST by DoctorMichael (Liberals SuK; Liberalism SuX)
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To: JimVT

North Korea is Dark

South Korea is bright, North Korea is dark. This amazing image is included in the standard US Department of Defense briefings on North Korea. It was mentioned in a news briefing on 23 December 2002 by Defense Secretary Rumsfeld, who stated that "If you look at a picture from the sky of the Korean Peninsula at night, South Korea is filled with lights and energy and vitality and a booming economy; North Korea is dark."


148 posted on 02/05/2003 6:06:08 PM PST by Rebelbase (Rock with Celtic roots at http://www.sevennations.com)
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl; All
Anyone who wants to see the big difference in North and South Korea, click the link and look at the image. It's a night time satellite image showing all of the lights in the cities in the South and the lack of them in the North.


http://aerospace.colorado.edu/classes/6210/reports/rpt7/quiz/a8.html
149 posted on 02/05/2003 6:06:58 PM PST by txradioguy (Doing my part to keep the country free)
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To: Rebelbase
You and I are thinking alike! One of the websites for the military camps in S. Korea used to show the difference between day and night.
150 posted on 02/05/2003 6:08:05 PM PST by txradioguy (Doing my part to keep the country free)
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