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Parent Alleges Harassment for Exposing 'Fistgate'
CNSNEWS.com ^ | 2/06/03 | Lawrence Morahan

Posted on 02/07/2003 4:24:38 AM PST by kattracks

CNSNews.com) - Lawyers from a homosexual advocacy group took depositions from a Massachusetts parent this week, almost three years after he first exposed "Fistgate," a state-sponsored workshop in which educators instructed teens in graphic homosexual sex.

The deposition of Brian Camenker, taken Tuesday by lawyers for the Boston-based Gay and Lesbian Advocates and Defenders, is an effort to put parents under financial strain and to discourage others around the country from bringing similar workshops to light, Camenker charged.

"If they are able to be able to beat us in Massachusetts, they can continue to hound any parent who gets in their way," said Camenker, president of the Parents Rights Coalition.

Two Massachusetts Department of Education staffers lost their jobs because of their involvement in the state-funded workshop held at Tufts University in March 2000, called "What They Don't Tell You About Queer Sex and Sexuality in Health Class." The Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network co-sponsored the workshop.

Homosexual advocacy groups have been pursuing lawsuits against Camenker and Scott Whiteman, another parent, for secretly recording, exposing and publicizing the event, in which instructors encouraged children as young as 14 years of age to engage in life-threatening sex acts. One instructor told the students: "Fisting often gets a bad rap."

"Fistgate" soon attracted national prominence. Among others, Sean Hannity discusses the event in his book, Let Freedom Ring, and William Bennett talks about the event in his book, The Broken Hearth . This past week, Alan Keyes made a trip to Boston to speak on behalf of Camenker and Whiteman, as well as rally support for their cause.

Legal defense costs since homosexual advocacy groups first deposed Camenker and Whiteman in the summer of 2000 have reached well over $100,000, Camenker said.

"It has a certain national significance as to what the gays can do to parents who expose the stuff," he added.

The Gay and Lesbian Advocates and Defenders did not return calls for comment.

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To: madg; Right Wing Professor; yendu bwam; Lancey Howard; american spirit; LO_IQ; Remedy; Contra; ...
"Why should the contents of a PRIVATE conference be made public?... There wasn't anything "public" about this. And the "public employees" were not acting in that capacity... they had volunteered their own time."

Camenker and Whiteman had a civic duty to expose the harmful and obscene material being presented in GLSEN's workshops. Remember, after the conference, the organizers denied claims of misconduct made by the Parent's Rights Coalition. The audio tape substantiated Camenker's and Whiteman's claims.

Go back to Reply 19 in this thread and reread Chapter 272, sections 28, 29, and 31. GLSEN and their workshop presenters are guilty of breaking the General Laws of Massachusetts by disseminating harmful and obscene matter to minors as defined in section 31:

"Harmful to minors'', matter is harmful to minors if it is obscene or, if taken as a whole, it (1) describes or represents nudity, sexual conduct or sexual excitement, so as to appeal predominantly to the prurient interest of minors; (2) is patently contrary to prevailing standards of adults in the county where the offense was committed as to suitable material for such minors; and (3) lacks serious literary, artistic, political or scientific value for minors.


"Obscene'', matter is obscene if taken as a whole it (1) appeals to the prurient interest of the average person applying the contemporary standards of the county where the offense was committed; (2) depicts or describes sexual conduct in a patently offensive way; and (3) lacks serious literary, artistic, political or scientific value...


As a member of the homosexual community who has claimed to have attended GLSEN conferences (are you mentoring these kids?), Youhave confirmed that this conference was a completely PRIVATE. Therefore GLSEN and the workshop presenters have no defense under sections 28 and 28. But we know that the pro-homosexual government of Massachusetts would never file charges in a case like this.

It's time to put a stop to GLSEN's influence in the public schools.

103 posted on 02/08/2003 10:44:53 AM PST by EdReform
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To: madg
Your response pretty well verifies your sense of twisted logic which doesn't really surprise me. How you or anyone else can deem fisting as just another facet of sex that can be intertwined into any discssion of sexual matters, especially with young impressionable children gives new meaning to the term "warped mind"! Of course, this type of thinking (?) is I'm sure just a natural by-product of a lifestyle that has a growing % of young men who view receiving the "gift" of the HIV virus as some sort of erotic experience. Don't feign surprise at responses like mine...we all know what's going on here with the homosexual movement and their tireless efforts to recruit young people into their world of anonymous sex in public bathrooms, violating body parts, HIV laden sex orgies, sex with animals and who knows what else. If you really see this a viable alternative for young people I have nothing but pity for you. Also, feel free to contact the Texas GLSEN chapters that practice this perversity...while you can before they self-destruct.
105 posted on 02/08/2003 11:52:56 AM PST by american spirit
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To: EdReform
I have not made up my mind about this issue, so I appreciate your opinion.

Nevertheless, do you think that leaking anonimously this illegally-obtained material would have been a better strategy?

Remember "Deep Throat"?

He/She/They stole secret information and leaked it to the Wash Post. Nevertheless, "Deep Throat" never revealed its identity, avoiding all the distraction of personal attacks, such as accusation of being a law breaker.

The "Fistgate" actors need to learn more about the first "Gate", Watergate

106 posted on 02/08/2003 12:08:02 PM PST by LO_IQ
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To: madg
Yeah, and all those search engines with "personals" sections are nothing more than a figment of our imaginations. Add to that the sites that offer parks, campus and office bathrooms where "cruisers" can meet with others to spread the "gift"...just mirages I guess. Also, if that doesn't happen then they visit all the bookstore gloryholes to get anonymous satisfaction... oh I'm sorry that must be another distorted allegation. Sorry pal, you cannot defend the indefensible, groups and individuals around the country are continually uncovering more info all the time.
108 posted on 02/08/2003 12:45:53 PM PST by american spirit
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To: banjo joe
"Would a meteor strike work for that? I've noticed He usually employs natural forces. (And why not)."

Isa 46:9-10
9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,
10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

(some believe that the book of Job is the oldest book of the Bible)

Job 38:22-23
22 Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail,
23 Which I have reserved against the time of trouble, against the day of battle and war?

Rev 16:14,16-18,20,21
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent (over 100 lbs.): and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

111 posted on 02/08/2003 2:53:04 PM PST by the-ironically-named-proverbs2
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To: webstersII
2 Pet 3:9-13
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
112 posted on 02/08/2003 2:59:45 PM PST by the-ironically-named-proverbs2
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To: tessalu
In Matthew, Jesus plainly stated that in the "last days, it will be as the days of Noah".

Looks like we almost there.
113 posted on 02/08/2003 3:07:38 PM PST by CyberAnt ( Yo! Syracuse)
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To: kattracks
I feel ill.

5.56mm

114 posted on 02/08/2003 3:13:20 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: madg; All
"... the $150-million budget of the state's "Safe Schools" program..."


Banned in Boston - Better not complain about the gay agenda for Massachusetts schools.

Indeed, Paul Cellucci, the state's Republican governor, has continued to budget $1.5 million for the Governor's Commission for Gay and Lesbian Youth. The commission oversees the creation and support of "Gay/Straight Alliances"--student clubs organized around gay issues.

10 Easy Steps to Starting a GSA

Mass Department Of Education - Out and About

Safe Schools Program for Gay and Lesbian Students Grant Opportunity

To: Superintendents and Gay/Straight Alliance Advisors
From: Robert V. Antonucci, Commissioner of Education
Date: October 1, 1996
Subject: Safe Schools Program for Gay and Lesbian Students Grant Opportunity

Attached you will find a FY 97 Safe Schools Program for Gay and Lesbian Students Pilot Mentor Program Grant opportunity, provided in partnership with the Governor's Commission on Gay and Lesbian Youth.

This small $40,000 grant program will provide state funds to eight to ten school districts to create a mentoring program to help other schools start gay/straight alliances at the high school level...

Fund Code - 798: Gay/Straight Alliance Mentoring Program: FY 2001

Fund Code - 798: Gay/Straight Alliance Mentoring Program: FY 2000

Alliances: A Student Guide

Job Openings (July 2000)


Interesting. Tell me again how no taxpayer funds are being used to promote the homosexual agenda in the public schools.


First AIDS Education, Then "Safe Schools," Then Gay Advocacy

Unsafe at Any Grade

Public Schools Face Growing Demands From Gay Activists

115 posted on 02/08/2003 3:40:36 PM PST by EdReform (ATTENTION FREEPERS and LURKERS - www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/838661/posts)
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To: ladylib
schools, libraries, and museums are exempt from state pornography laws.

Then why are there net nannies or whatever on school computers?

116 posted on 02/08/2003 3:46:13 PM PST by maxwell (Well I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation...)
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To: maxwell
Good question.
117 posted on 02/08/2003 3:55:36 PM PST by ladylib
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To: ladylib; maxwell
The ACLU, NEA, and Planned Parenthood oppose filters on school & public library computers. They are concerned about filters hindering the 1st Amendment.
118 posted on 02/08/2003 4:33:10 PM PST by Kuksool (Fight The Axis of Evil: ACLU, NEA, & NOW)
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To: madg
Camenker and Whiteman broke the law. See Section Q for Civil Remedy. That is why they are being sued. It’s all in accordance with the General Laws of Massachusetts.

Please consult your own link to the relevant statute of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts.

http://www.state.ma.us/legis/laws/mgl/272-99.htm

2. The term "oral communication" means speech, except such speech as is transmitted over the public air waves by radio or other similar device.

Such as a microphone and loudspeakers?

Your claim that Camenker and Whiteman broke the law just doesn't hold water. It wasn't a private conversation. It was a public seminar.

Here's another link of yours:

http://www.bridges-across.org/ba/tidh/context.htm

The mere fact of availability of professional development credits is not sponsorship.

However, the availability of professional development credits from the Massachusetts Department of Education signals that it was indeed a public event.

And the fact that GLSEN and others don't want the tape distributed proves that they know how explosive this is. They know that parents and other taxpayers will object to exposing their children to this nonsense.

119 posted on 02/08/2003 6:38:53 PM PST by Bryan
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To: madg
Well, we could debate a long time about a definition for a "average homosexual" but I don't see much evidence that proves your point....so be it. One thing I'll leave you with is that it's generally understood that during Hitler's rise to power, homosexuals were used as a cause celebre for a time until he had solidified his power base. At which time it's my understanding that many of those involved with homosexual rights were rounded up along with...you know the rest. Something to think about.
120 posted on 02/08/2003 6:54:12 PM PST by american spirit
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To: EdReform
As far as the public schools go, the best thing all parents can do to protect their children is to remove the homosexual advocates' "audience" by using the Hatch Amendment Letter - Parental Consent Form for use in the Public Schools. Let the pro-homos spout their propaganda and perversion to a bunch of empty chairs.

I would think that may be second-best. Best would be home-schooling.

121 posted on 02/08/2003 6:54:39 PM PST by Aarchaeus
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To: kattracks
Simple fact: If this information was put out in a government funded, public school, then the information must be open for public discussion.

Simple.

Why the judge hasn't dismissed the case with prejudice is completely beyond me!

Mark
122 posted on 02/08/2003 7:45:42 PM PST by MarkL
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To: american spirit
during Hitler's rise to power, homosexuals were used as a cause celebre for a time until he had solidified his power base. At which time it's my understanding that many of those involved with homosexual rights were rounded up along with....

american spirit - you may ber interested in Lively and Abrams' book "The Pink Swastika" - a very well researched and totally fascinating book about the deep connection between homosexuality and the Nazis. Most if not all of it is online at http://www.abidingtruth.com/ Also on that great website are a lot of other materials about the "gay" agenda and how to fight it. I've been reading Lively's stuff for some years and admire him a lot.

123 posted on 02/08/2003 9:54:11 PM PST by First Amendment
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To: Aarchaeus
Actually, you are quite right. I stand corrected!

(However, for those parents who aren't homeschooling, the Hatch Amendment Letter can be very helpful.)
124 posted on 02/09/2003 5:49:02 AM PST by EdReform (ATTENTION FREEPERS and LURKERS - www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/838661/posts)
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To: kattracks
Homosexual advocacy groups have been pursuing lawsuits against Camenker and Scott Whiteman, another parent, for secretly recording, exposing and publicizing the event, in which instructors encouraged children as young as 14 years of age to engage in life-threatening sex acts. One instructor told the students: "Fisting often gets a bad rap."

Hmm, is it a classified secret?

125 posted on 02/09/2003 6:01:58 AM PST by A. Pole
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To: madg
No "child abuse" took place... just illegal wiretapping.

If nothing wrong took place, why this secrecy? Was it a secret private meeting or a event of public record?

126 posted on 02/09/2003 6:13:06 AM PST by A. Pole
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To: madg
The discussion may have been a little over-the-top, but not by much.

Just "a little over-the top"? So what would be much "over-the-top"? And what criminal penalty would you recommend for those whistle-blowers?

127 posted on 02/09/2003 6:18:44 AM PST by A. Pole
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To: Brookhaven
These people have a prolapse of judgement, and risk a prolapse of their "heaven's gate". At the current high school level in extracurricular activities, sodomy is taught/recruited as safe-sex birth control. This catagory of Darwin Awards will be carved from pillars of salt.
128 posted on 02/09/2003 6:21:57 AM PST by SevenDaysInMay
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To: madg
debunked and totally fascinating fabricated book...

What "madg" stands for? Mad g.?

134 posted on 02/09/2003 9:22:56 AM PST by A. Pole
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To: madg
"Camenker and Whiteman broke the law. See Section Q for Civil Remedy."

If they "broke the law," can you show us when and where they were charged and convicted in a criminal court? What fine was levied by the court? Have they been sentenced in any way? If you can't prove these things, then I suggest you refrain from presenting your opinion as a statement of fact.

The current suit is a civil suit. Anyone can sue anyone for anything. It's interesting that the suit was brought by "Boston-based Gay and Lesbian Advocates and Defenders." Here's what they have to say about the case:

Gay & Lesbian Advocates & Defenders - GLAD Cases

(scroll down to near bottom of the page)

"Netherland et al. v. Whiteman et al. (Massachusetts)

CASE PENDING

GLAD is putting the right-wing on notice that they cannot use intimidation tactics to try to stop vitally important sex education information from getting to young people. In violation of Massachusetts wiretapping and privacy laws, Scott Whiteman, Brian Camenker, and the right-wing organization Parents Rights Coalition publicly distributed a tape recording of a sexuality and HIV/AIDS prevention education workshop conducted in March, 2000 at a conference sponsored by GLSEN. GLAD filed suit in Massachusetts Superior Court on behalf of Julie Netherland, a former employee of the Department of Education, and obtained a temporary restraining order (later converted to a preliminary injunction) to stop the defendants from further distributing the tape recording. After a lengthy discovery period, GLAD filed a motion for summary judgment, which is now pending."


Vitally important sex education information?! Here's what Education Commissioner David P. Driscoll said at the time:

State condemns 'gay' sex discussion

"Faced with the irrefutable evidence of his employees' actions, David Driscoll, commissioner of the Massachusetts Department of Education, admitted Tuesday: "The participation of our staff in conversations with students about explicit issues of sexuality outside the realm of AIDS/HIV prevention was wrong. The workshops were of prurient nature, and not educational, and what we heard suggests that the discussion contributed absolutely nothing to the students' understanding of how to avoid AIDS and HIV."


Once again:

"The workshops were of prurient nature, and not educational"

(Remember M.G.L Chapter 272: Sections 28, 29, and 31?)


From the article:

"The Gay and Lesbian Advocates and Defenders did not return calls for comment.

If they have such a strong case against Camenker and Whiteman, why do they refuse to comment?

136 posted on 02/09/2003 9:30:37 AM PST by EdReform (ATTENTION FREEPERS and LURKERS - www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/838661/posts)
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To: Kuksool; ladylib; maxwell
"The ACLU, NEA, and Planned Parenthood oppose filters on school & public library computers."

So does GLSEN:

GLSEN's Position Paper on Internet Filtering Software

137 posted on 02/09/2003 10:03:42 AM PST by EdReform (ATTENTION FREEPERS and LURKERS - www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/838661/posts)
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To: madg
I find it interesting that the groundwork you have laid here in defense of these people carefully refutes possible defenses that these two men may bring up. What exactly is your relationship to this case?

My personal opinion is that the will cream your side (pun intended) by claiming to be reporters. What is your take on that?



The court found that "the government's significant interest in protecting privacy is not sufficient to justify the serious burdens the damages provisions of the Wiretapping Acts place on free speech." The law "may not constitutionally be applied to penalize the use or disclosure of illegally intercepted information" when the media does not "participate in or encourage" the illegal interception, the court held.



138 posted on 02/09/2003 10:14:02 AM PST by VeniVidiVici
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To: madg
I have read this thread with considerable interest. Any of my perspectives would not make much sense to you - the resolution of this confrontation between such disparate Weltanschaungen is not amenable to logic/reason. If you would, please just take a second and answer a question for me. I won't burden you further...

Is 'fisting' OK between consenting teenagers (the 16 - 18 y.o. you cite earlier)? Thank you for your reply.
141 posted on 02/09/2003 10:46:28 AM PST by esopman (Blessings on Freepers Everywhere)
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To: EdReform
It's time to put a stop to GLSEN's influence in the public schools

GLSEN is indeed a child absuer, and it's influence should be fought everywhere.

143 posted on 02/09/2003 11:44:37 AM PST by yendu bwam
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To: madg; esopman
If asked, I would warn anyone of the potential risks... but what consenting parties do behind closed doors is none of my business.

Anyone who promotes or encourages 'fisting' to teenagers is a child abuser, including GLSEN and those who support it. This is pure evil. You, magd, are willfully blind to evil.

144 posted on 02/09/2003 11:47:57 AM PST by yendu bwam
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To: yendu bwam
You are a hardy soul....presenting truth to magd. Alas, such blindness to evil is ultimately a spiritual phenomenon. Education is of little avail (especially that facsimile current in academia today). I applaud you and pray for magd.
145 posted on 02/09/2003 12:00:46 PM PST by esopman (Blessings on Freepers Everywhere)
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To: Antoninus; madg
Should people be arrested for soliciting sex in public rest rooms?

Madg thinks it's fine for people to solicit homosexual sex in public rest rooms, and that the age of consent of 16-18 is fine - and that it's fine for there to be homosexual scoutmasters with other people's 16-18 teenage boys under their authority on overnight camping trips. By defending GLSEN in this disgusting and evil incident, in which young teenagers are taught the particulars of anal intercourse, fisting, anal balls, etc. (i.e. playing with feces), madg has sided against our children. We need to protect our children from such as he. He is dangerous. That which he defends is pure evil.

146 posted on 02/09/2003 12:00:47 PM PST by yendu bwam
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To: esopman; madg
Alas, such blindness to evil is ultimately a spiritual phenomenon. Education is of little avail (especially that facsimile current in academia today). I applaud you and pray for magd.

Thanks for your comments, espoman. I pray that madg repent from the path of evil and corruption and spiritual desolation which he has chosen. I pray for the children who are led onto that path by the likes of madg.

147 posted on 02/09/2003 12:03:04 PM PST by yendu bwam
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To: kattracks
Who are the backers, bankrolling the poopoo packers?
Stop their dough and these perverts will go.
148 posted on 02/09/2003 12:14:04 PM PST by F.J. Mitchell (Muslims love Christians and Jews to death)
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To: madg
Is what consenting people do behind closed doors any of your and my business, after they destroy their health in mutually consented perversion and open that closed door and run out demanding that you and me and the government using our money, drop all research on cures for unavoidable diseases and invest the profits from the entire gross National produce into a cure for their avoidable disease?
149 posted on 02/09/2003 12:35:02 PM PST by F.J. Mitchell (Muslims love Christians and Jews to death-gays want to love our kids to death)
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To: madg
So now,Exposing the unethical is unethical-interesting concept.
150 posted on 02/09/2003 12:49:56 PM PST by F.J. Mitchell (Muslims love Christians and Jews to death-gays want to love our kids to death)
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