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French are unmoved by US 'frog bashing'
The Times ^ | February 8, 2003 | Tim Reid and Charles Bremner

Posted on 02/07/2003 3:28:16 PM PST by MadIvan

“THE game is over,” President Bush told Iraq on Thursday.

“It’s not a game, and it’s not over,” Jean-Pierre Raffarin, the French Prime Minister, shot back yesterday. Thus the war of words between dovish France and hawkish America grew more rancorous.

There are three men in the world who would be wise for reasons of personal safety not to show their faces in America: Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein and M Raffarin’s boss, President Chirac.

Middle America, egged on by hostile television networks and editorial writers, has been whipped into a rage against what is perceived as betrayal by the vain and preening French or, as they are now being characterised, “cheese-eating surrender monkeys”.

France was rescued by America in both World Wars, US commentators note as French obstructionist tactics at the United Nations thwart the campaign to get Saddam.

They mutter darkly about Germany’s anti-Americanism, but the vitriol has been almost exclusively directed at the French: the leader of the Franco-German “axis of weasel”.

“Let’s beat up the French,” the conservative co-host of CNN’s Crossfire programme declared on Thursday night. The audience cheered.

Later a viewer’s e-mail was flashed up on screen: “I understand that the French UN Ambassador was told to stop waving his hand in the air because it was inappropriate to surrender at the UN meeting.”

Bill Sammon, the White House correspondent for the Washington Times, said: “The Administration has come to the realisation that writing off France is not a bad thing politically . . . I think it plays pretty well.”

The British journalist Christopher Hitchens summed up US feelings in The Wall Street Journal: “Chirac. . .is a positive monster of conceit. . .a man so habituated to corruption that he would happily pay for the pleasure of selling himself.”

France is shrugging off what the left-wing daily Libération labelled “le frog-bashing” as a manifestation of the primitive prejudices now prevailing in a country with which it has a long tradition of rivalry.

Gallic commentators have taken a more detached view, seeing America’s anger as proof that Paris must be doing something right with its moral stand in favour of “peace”, while the US air waves and news pages have filled with anti-French vitriol in recent weeks.

“It’s a little tiresome,” one French diplomat said. “The Americans always throw tantrums like this when they don’t get their way.”

The condescension in this statement proves everything that the Americans are saying to be absolutely true - Ivan

But what did hit home was the dismissal by Donald Rumsfeld, the Defence Secretary, of France and Germany as “old Europe”.

The conservative Le Figaro, which has become even more anti-US than Libération, noted yesterday that France had replaced Iraq as the obsession of the “pen-wielding war-mongers” of the White House.

“The toughening of Washington’s position has confirmed the expected return to page one of an odious little character with a black beret, a cigarette in his mouth and baguette under his arm: France has not finished paying for the affront which it has inflicted on the muscular diplomacy of Uncle Sam,” it said.

The more outrageous American gibes are a source of French amusement.

M Chirac’s aides chuckled after Rush Limbaugh, a radio host, said that no one should trust a country with a Foreign Minister named Dominique de Villepin. With his aristocratic airs, the elegant M de Villepin is viewed even in France as a little hard to take.

The media have made much of the US tabloids’ dismissal of France with the “cheese-eating surrender monkeys” insult. Le Figaro nicely translated the line, which comes from The Simpsons television cartoon, as: primates capitulards et toujours en quête de fromages.

The media have also been struggling to decode a now famous New York Post headline denouncing France and Germany as “The Axis of Weasel”. Le Figaro translated this as l’axe des faux jetons — literally “the axis of the two-faced”.

There was also some admiration yesterday for the wordsmiths of the White House who are making good use of the English that is understood even by the French in President Bush’s statements. His “the game’s over” on Thursday night needed no French translation in a country long devoted to English-language café video games.

Over Iraq, the French are distinguishing between “good Americans” and “bad” ones. The latter are written off as right-wing fans of “le cowboy Bush”, such as George Will, a columnist who wrote this week that France was now performing “a manoeuvre which it has been perfecting since 1870: retreat”.

Good Americans are anti-war Democrats, Hollywood stars and the think-tank experts who give sympathetic replies in impeccable French to the anti-American rants of listeners on French radio shows.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Germany; News/Current Events; Political Humor/Cartoons; US: District of Columbia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: 1cheeseeating; 2surrendermonkeys; bashing; blair; bush; cheeseandwhine; cheeseeating; france; french; froginablender; frogs; iraq; isurrender; saddam; surrendermonkeys; uk; us
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I have to admit, I thought I'd never see the day when America was at daggers drawn with France to the same level that Britain is. That day has come.

Regards, Ivan


1 posted on 02/07/2003 3:28:16 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: carl in alaska; Cautor; GOP_Lady; prairiebreeze; veronica; SunnyUsa; Delmarksman; Sparta; ...
Bump!
2 posted on 02/07/2003 3:28:33 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
Fighting a War without the French is like going deer hunting without an accordion.
3 posted on 02/07/2003 3:30:51 PM PST by humblegunner
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To: MadIvan
“cheese-eating surrender monkeys"

Groundskeeper Willy has arrived....

4 posted on 02/07/2003 3:30:56 PM PST by amused (Creed of the Leftist: "Freedom of speech as long as you are in agreement")
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To: MadIvan
Confusion to the Frogs!

Who needs them anyway, we know who our friends are.

5 posted on 02/07/2003 3:31:02 PM PST by LibKill (ColdWarrior. I stood the watch.)
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To: MadIvan
So? I'm unmoved by their eating snails and frog legs...
6 posted on 02/07/2003 3:31:53 PM PST by null and void
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To: MadIvan
Ivan I need to stay off these French threads...I tend to lose my temper....and say very bad things not meant for this forum...

I hate the French!!

7 posted on 02/07/2003 3:32:03 PM PST by Dog (How is my posting 1-888-ITS GOOD)
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To: MadIvan
French are unmoved by US 'frog bashing'

Poor French. It's not easy being green.

8 posted on 02/07/2003 3:32:35 PM PST by #3Fan
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To: MadIvan
Ah, yes. Hating the French. An important piece of the US/UK friendship! It's nice to see we haven't forgotten.
9 posted on 02/07/2003 3:32:41 PM PST by July 4th
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To: MadIvan
I fart in their general direction.
10 posted on 02/07/2003 3:32:43 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: July 4th
Don't worry. The French will be there when they need us.
11 posted on 02/07/2003 3:33:21 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: MadIvan
I have to admit, I thought I'd never see the day when America was at daggers drawn with France to the same level that Britain is.

We had a French foreign exchange student. I asked her about that.

She said the problem with the UK has to do with agriculture. They don't like the U.S. because we showed up too late in WWII

12 posted on 02/07/2003 3:33:34 PM PST by The Raven (Liberalism: The dream world called denial)
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To: MadIvan
Nobody in their right minds gives a fat rat's ass what the penny-ante, pissant French government thinks anyway.
13 posted on 02/07/2003 3:33:43 PM PST by agitator (Ok, mic check...line one...)
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To: MadIvan
I think we should follow Ann Coulter's advice and just invade France.
14 posted on 02/07/2003 3:33:49 PM PST by HennepinPrisoner
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To: MadIvan
French are unmoved by US 'frog bashing'

We must try harder.

15 posted on 02/07/2003 3:34:04 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: dfwgator
LMAO!!!!!
16 posted on 02/07/2003 3:34:11 PM PST by Dog (How is my posting 1-888-ITS GOOD)
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To: MadIvan
“cheese-eating surrender monkeys”.

Wish I'd coined that phrase! Perfecto! :-)

17 posted on 02/07/2003 3:34:40 PM PST by Happygal
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To: MadIvan
pardon que je vous aime du fromage avec votre gémissement?

(Babel Fish Translation)

18 posted on 02/07/2003 3:34:51 PM PST by JennysCool
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To: Dog
LOL!!!!!!!!!!! I am going to ask a dumb question -- why are they called Frogs? I must have missed something along the way. I detest frogs but I was just wondering how frogs and French went together.

My vocabulary consists more and more of I HATE the (fill in the blank)
19 posted on 02/07/2003 3:35:11 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Bush/Cheney 2004)
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To: amused
The French know the "monkey" line - far before we started using it on a regular basis. I remember being in France 10 years ago, and The Simpsons was one of the national networks (France 1 or 2 maybe) meticulously translated.
20 posted on 02/07/2003 3:35:50 PM PST by July 4th
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To: MadIvan

21 posted on 02/07/2003 3:36:26 PM PST by Free_at_last_-2001
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To: July 4th
You mean the MINKEY..???
22 posted on 02/07/2003 3:36:38 PM PST by Dog (How is my posting 1-888-ITS GOOD)
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To: The Raven
They don't like the U.S. because we showed up too late in WWII

It wasn't that we showed up too late, it was that they surrendered too soon.

23 posted on 02/07/2003 3:36:52 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: MadIvan
When America is in the hands of our own cheese eating surrender monkey frog girls, the RAT communists, I have disdain at home as well. But, today, the unscrupulous devotees that run the land of froggy frunks have my particularly sharpest disdain - down with the communist pig gerdung and frunky frogs. Traitors and no friends of America - the America that comes running to bail out the losers of the world that were once 'friends' of freedom. Screw the UN, screw the EuroIslamotrash and SCREW THE FROGS and their gerdung compatriots.
24 posted on 02/07/2003 3:37:51 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (This space for rent (Not accepting bids from the United Nations))
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To: MadIvan
primates capitulards et toujours en quête de fromages.

Doesn't roll quite as trippingly off the tongue, does it?

25 posted on 02/07/2003 3:37:59 PM PST by skeeter (Die dulci freure)
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To: MadIvan
cheese-eating surrender monkeys...

I can understand the cheese and I can understand the frogs legs. What I can't understand is the snails. I'd eat a crow before i'd eat a snail.

26 posted on 02/07/2003 3:38:18 PM PST by merak
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To: MadIvan
ROTFLOL! 'Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys' makes it overseas!
27 posted on 02/07/2003 3:38:25 PM PST by ewing
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To: MadIvan

29 posted on 02/07/2003 3:39:00 PM PST by Paul Atreides
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To: MadIvan
A pox upon the frogs!
30 posted on 02/07/2003 3:39:03 PM PST by Maedhros (m 3a r ) s)
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To: MadIvan
Maybe we are spending too much time here bashing the French. I mean, are they really worth the bandwidth? Maybe the best way to piss off the French is to simply ignore them.

Nah, French-bashing is too much fun.

31 posted on 02/07/2003 3:39:21 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: humblegunner
LOL! Funging frunks are corrupt at new levels even for their frogdom...
32 posted on 02/07/2003 3:39:27 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (This space for rent (Not accepting bids from the United Nations))
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To: Paul Atreides
Classic!
33 posted on 02/07/2003 3:40:32 PM PST by Free_at_last_-2001
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To: HennepinPrisoner
We may have to do just that. They are either with us or with the terrorists. Given their large population of practitioners of The Religion of PeaceTM, the idea of us having to take them out is not as far-fetched as it once was. We do indeed live in "interesting" times.
34 posted on 02/07/2003 3:40:49 PM PST by johnb838 (deconstruct liberalism... you get communism)
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To: dfwgator
"I fart in their general direction."

Brings to mind a great idea. The Brits can get rid of their dead cattle by launching them across the sea into France.
35 posted on 02/07/2003 3:41:07 PM PST by Conservateacher
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To: MadIvan
Thank you for a delightful thread. If they are unmoved, I suggest a bigger basher.
36 posted on 02/07/2003 3:41:13 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Free_at_last_-2001
Well done!
37 posted on 02/07/2003 3:41:44 PM PST by KeyWest
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To: MadIvan
I'd nominate the French government to the 'Axis of Snobbish Haughtiness and Faux Principles'.


38 posted on 02/07/2003 3:42:21 PM PST by Riley
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To: MadIvan
My distaste for the French goes back to the early eighties when they refused U.S. planes to overfly France on the way to bomb Ghadafi which made our pilots refuel two more times than necessary.

I don't call that an ally. It's a weasel!

39 posted on 02/07/2003 3:42:22 PM PST by LaGrone
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To: PhiKapMom
I am going to ask a dumb question -- why are they called Frogs?

I believe that it is because they eat the legs off of the little critters.

40 posted on 02/07/2003 3:42:28 PM PST by jackbill
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To: MadIvan
The French made a big deal of Bush's statement, "The game is over", by responding that "It's not a game, and it's not over."

That ignores Bush's previous sentence in which he referred to Saddam's cat and mouse game with inspectors.

It would be nice if a major news outlet called the French on this distortion, and asked them if their statement means that Saddam's cat and mouse game is not over, and whether their statement should be interpreted as approval of Saddam's actions so far.

41 posted on 02/07/2003 3:43:01 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: MadIvan
Three guys, an Englishman, a Frenchman and an American are out walking along the beach together one day. They come across a lantern and a genie pops out of it. "I will give you each one wish, " says the genie.

The American says, "I am a farmer, my dad was a farmer, and my son will also farm. I want the land to be forever fertile in America." With a blink of the genie's eye, 'FOOM' - the land in America was forever made fertile for farming.

The Frenchman was amazed, so he said, "I want a wall around France, so that no one can come into our precious country." Again, with a blink of the Genie's eye, 'POOF' - there was a huge wall around France.

The Englishman asks, "I'm very curious. Please tell me more about this wall. The Genie explains, "Well, it's about 150 feet high, 50 feet thick and nothing can get in or out." The Englishman says, "Fill it up with water."

42 posted on 02/07/2003 3:43:29 PM PST by colorado tanker (the game is over)
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To: MadIvan
French are unmoved by US 'frog bashing'

Unmoved? Perhaps we should send them some Metamucil?

43 posted on 02/07/2003 3:43:34 PM PST by jackbill
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To: MadIvan
I don't seem to remember the UN approving the French Deployment of troops into the Ivory Coast ? Are these illegally (by their own defination) parked frogs gonna get Toad away ?

Stay Safe !

45 posted on 02/07/2003 3:43:48 PM PST by Squantos (RKBA the original version of Homeland Security .....the one proven method that works !)
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To: KeyWest
Well done!

Thank you!

46 posted on 02/07/2003 3:43:50 PM PST by Free_at_last_-2001
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To: dfwgator
Nah, French-bashing is too much fun.

Yes, Britain and America are family all right. ;)

Regards, Ivan

47 posted on 02/07/2003 3:44:12 PM PST by MadIvan
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48 posted on 02/07/2003 3:44:54 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: PhiKapMom
They're called the Frogs because of their eating habits. Even the Russian slang for Frenchman is "lyagushedniki", which means "frog eater".

Regards, Ivan

49 posted on 02/07/2003 3:45:20 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: stlrocket
Unlike the French, at least the clock is right twice a day.
50 posted on 02/07/2003 3:46:04 PM PST by dfwgator
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