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World War II Rescued American Airmen Defend Serbs [WARNING-GRAPHIC PHOTOS]
National Committee of American Airmen ^ | April 9, 1999 | Richard L. Felman

Posted on 02/07/2003 6:24:30 PM PST by Karadjordje


US airman under Serbian care


Award for Serbian Chetnik leader Dragoljub Mihailovich


Award for Serbian Chetnik leader Dragoljub Mihailovich


The cover of Time Magazine, May 25, 1942. Their article began: "He clasps the crag with crooked hands...he watches from his mountain walls, and like a thunderbolt he falls."

Open letter—April 9, 1999
To Our Troops In The Former Yugoslavia

"We Found Out The Truth About the Serbs...When We Were Shot Down"
World War II Rescued American Airmen Defend Serbs
By Richard L. Felman

Over 500 MlAs Saved By The Serbian People During WWII

During World War II, we were in the Army Air Corps list as "Missing in Action" in the very same area you are now serving.  If we may, we would like to relay to you a frank, soldier-to-soldier message about our personal experience while there—something which politicians who sent you there have not told you and something which you have not read or seen in the anti-Serb media.

In 1944, the members of our committee were flying bombing missions out of Italy over Southern Europe.  During that time over 500 of us were shot down over enemy-occupied Yugoslavia and saved from certain death by the Serbian people.  Ours was the greatest rescue of American lives from behind enemy lines in history but has been kept under wraps all these years because of pressure from foreign sources. [Emphasis added]

While we were there, those of us who were wounded were given whatever medical supplies they had even at the deprivation of their own troops.   If there was one piece of bread in the house, or one egg, it went to the American airmen while the Serb went hungry.

If there was one bed or one blanket, it went to us while the Serb slept on the bare ground.  No risk of sacrifice was too great to insure our safety and well being.  One experience which is forever seared in my memory is the time a village with 200 women and children was burned to the ground by the Germans because the Serbs would not tell them where they were hiding us.  To this day, I can smell the terrible stench of their burning flesh.  One does not forget such things.

The most incredible part of our rescue was that before each mission, our bomber crews were briefed by the highest levels of American intelligence that if shot down over Yugoslavia, we were to stay away from the Serbian people as they were collaborating with the Germans and "cutting off the ears of American airmen" before turning them over. Only after we were shot down did we find out the amazing thoroughness with which the truth about the Serbs was being distorted. [Emphasis added]

Further compounding this deception is the fact that while the Serbs were our allies in WWII, Croatians and Muslims (who we are favoring today) were allies of the Nazis, shooting at us and responsible for killing many of our fellow American fliers.  In view of the lies we were told about the Serbs during World War II, we could not help but wonder if our foreign policy there today is the same anti-Serb bias we encountered 52 years ago.

Could our career diplomats sacrifice former friends and reward former enemies in the name of political expediency?  Could it be because in the world community there are over one billion Muslims and only 9 million Serbian Orthodox Christians with the same proportionate power in the global economy?  Could it be because the Serbs have no oil wells and no unlimited oil money?

Could it be because the Croatians and Muslims outspend the Serbs 50 to one on lobbyists, media firms and campaign contributions?  Could this be why, "atrocities" are manufactured to make the Serbs look bad while gaining sympathy for their opponents?  Could this be why the Serbs are branded "aggressors" in land they have lived on for over 600 years? 

Could our policy have something to do with the fact there are 540 members of Congress, none of whom are Orthodox Christians?  Could the State Department’s bitter bias, against General Draza Mihailovich, the anti-Communist guerrilla leader who saved us, be based on the fact he was a Serb?

Could these be the reasons the State Department has covered up the truth of our rescue all these years and opposed our petition to express   gratitude for saving over 500 American lives (a petition which is supported by the 8 million veterans of the American Legion, the Veterans of Foreign  Wars and the Air Force Association and which has been approved by the United States Senate.)?

Could it be these are the reasons the Chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee has also denied our petition by saying to us here are "ethnic groups in Yugoslavia" who oppose it?

Are we mad?  You can bet your next month’s paycheck that we are mad!  We did not leave our families, risk our lives and watch our buddies get their arms, legs and heads blown off so that "ethnic groups in Yugoslavia" could tell us what we could or could not do in our own country.

Now that the spring thaw has set in, temperatures and tempers will start to rise in the volatile area you now find yourselves.  All we ask is that in your dealings with the local people you be made aware of the eyewitness experience of your fellow comrades-in-arms.  By speaking out now we have nothing to gain except a burning moral passion to tell the truth, a sworn duty to protect our national honor, a patriotic desire to express heart felt gratitude to those on foreign soil who save American lives while they are fighting in defense of our glorious country.

Now that you have been sent to foreign soil and asked to risk your lives we feel you should know the truth and not be "suckered in" by the rhetoric of highly paid public relations firms, foreign lobbyists and self-serving politicians who know absolutely nothing of the region’s history.

We might also add that had it not been for the Serbian people, Air Force General Donald J. Smith, our chairman and one our rescued airmen, would not have survived the war and been able to dedicate 40 years of honorable service to his country.

Had it not been for the Serbian people, technical Sgt. Curtis "Bud" Diles, another of our airmen, would not be alive today in Dayton, Ohio, enjoying retirement with his four children and 12 grandchildren.

There are hundreds of us with stories just like those.   Some of the greatest testimony to the many sacrifices made on our behalf us the many thousands of American children who are alive today solely because the Serbian people saved over 500 of their grandfathers during World War II.  Some of them could very well be serving with you today in Bosnia. 

I was one of three rescued American airmen who returned last year to the former Yugoslavia to commemorate the 50th anniversary of victory in Europe with the people who saved us and to visit the cow pasture that  served as a landing strip from which we were rescued.  The most moving  experience of our sentimental trip was being cheered by over 50,000 Serbs who gathered at a mountain top to welcome us and who kept chanting "USA, USA".

As American military men, we have a proud tradition of "duty, honor and country" to uphold and a fierce sense of loyalty to those with whom we fought side by side in combat.  We never forget their kindness nor do we return their battlefield sacrifices for us by bombing their women and children.  The Serbian people helped us when we were desperate and in trouble. Now that the situation is reversed we can do no less.

Please keep these untarnished truths in mind as you now serve our country and all it stands for, and may God bless you all as we pray for your safe return.

This war will not last long.  If for no other reason, it appears the US Forces are already running low on missiles.  And, Clinton’s blustering threats of "escorting the Albanian Kosovars back to their home" is silliness.

So far Clinton’s war has failed to even find ONE of Milosevic’s mobile units to shoot at.  How does he plan on personally escort back the reported 1,000,000 Albanians his spokespersons claim have fled the country?   The Serbs tied up 10 divisions of Hitler’s Crack troops—even after they lost the war.

If he continues the kind of bombing he conducted last couple of nights, he is going to lose the humanitarian war on CNN.  Pictures of mothers and newborn premature babies being evacuated from the hospital 100 yards from the Interior Ministry’s spectacular blaze, a father on the street being interviewed saying it was "easy for Clinton to drop bombs on the children from the skybut we will see what kind of man he is when he comes to our soil" or the flames from a residential area hit in last night’s bombing raids, are far more dramatic and horrifying than watching Albanian refugees who are riding trains to the border and walking across.

Pictures of bombs on civilian targets.  So far this week, over 1000 people are reported to have died so far in the bombing raids. That is a far higher death toll than Christiane Amanpour has been able to muster up in her drive to sell the Albanian side to a jaded, suspicious American public.

The world is seeing the results of the bombs.  The effort to portray the Serbs, as US News and World Report does in its April 12, 1999, issue on "Balkan Hell" as crazed killers is largely verbal so far.

Stories of "summary executions," US News and World Report noted, were hard to "prove" but are "quite credible given the Serbs’ vicious record.  These stories are being challenged by those, such as Col. Felman, USAF Ret., who have had personal experiences with the Serbs.

We are in a whole new kind of warfare, folks, and it appears that Milosevic has pretty much won it. It already sounds like the Clinton administration is trying to figure out who it can blame for the debacle.

Redacted for inclusion on this site.   Contact information:

Richard L. Felman Major USAF (Ret), President
National Committee of American Airmen
Rescued by General Mlhailovich, Inc.
PO Box 17478
Tuscon, Arizona 85731

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Karadjordje


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To: CobaltBlue
Have you at all read my western articles (The Ottawa Citizen, The Economist, The Washington Post) about Nasir Oric's-Mudshahedin Islamist crimes in and around Srebrenica on Serbian civilians before any Serbian army came to Srebrenica in 1995?

This crimes are one of the most detailed documented crimes in the Bosnian war!. In his campaign he, his troops and his mudshahedin fighters butchered over 1,200 Serbian civilians and injured over 3,000 in and around Srebrenica municipalities. 52 Serbian villages had been destroyed. This crimes are well documented in the book "Chronicle of our graveyard'" ("Hronika naseg groblja") (<- click)

MUSLIM ENCLAVE COMMANDER RESPONSIBLE FOR DEATH OF OVER 1,000 SERBS

B e l g r a d e, Nov. 22 (Tanjug) - Former Commander of the Eastern Bosnian Muslim enclave of Srebrenica Naser Oric will be the first Muslim to be indicted by the Hague-based International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia, the Belgrade weekly Telegraf said. The weekly quoted survivors' testimonies, collected in the book 'the chronicle of our graveyard' by Milivoje Ivanisevic, as saying that Oric's troops brutally killed more than 1,000 Serbs in the region of Srebrenica. Rajko Jovanovic from the village of Jazestica near Srebrenica said that in his village on August 8, 1992 Oric's soldiers broke Dragan Mladenovic' skull with an axe, beheaded Andjelko Mladenovic, killed another five people and torched 55 houses. Milojka Marinkovic said that on September 24, 1992, Oric's soldiers killed 30 inhabitants of the Serb village of Podravanje, including her father, two brothers, mother and five other relatives. Dozens of Serbs were killed in Srebrenica prisons controlled by Oric and according to the survivors' testimonies, the guards inscribed crosses on Serbs' bodies with sharp implements and poured salt over them. Muslim civilians who last year moved to the northwestern Bosnian town of Tuzla under U.N. protection say that each of them had to pay 100 German marks to Oric in order to leave Srebrenica.

Here another western article about Srebrenicas Muslim heroes before the Serbian army came:

"I met him in January, 1994, in his own home in Serb- surrounded Srebrenica. On a cold and snowy night, I sat in his living room watching a shocking video version of what might have been called 'Nasir Oric's Greatest Hits.'. 'We ambushed them,' he said when a number of dead Serbs appeared on the screen. The next sequence of dead bodies had been done in by explosives: 'We launched those guys to the moon,' Oric boasted. When the footage of a bullet-marked ghost town appeared without any visible bodies, Oric hastened to announce: 'We killed 114 Serbs there.'"

Toronto Star, July 16, 1995



Alija Izetbegovic saluting "El Mujahedin" unit.


Bosnian Army Mudshahedin Emblem


Bosnian Army Mudshahedin Emblem


Bosnian Army Mudshahedin Emblem


Toronto Star: "'Nasir Oric's Greatest Hits.'. 'We ambushed them,' he said when a number of dead Serbs appeared on the screen. The next sequence of dead bodies had been done in by explosives: 'We launched those guys to the moon,' Oric boasted. When the footage of a bullet-marked ghost town appeared without any visible bodies, Oric hastened to announce: 'We killed 114 Serbs there.'"

But keep on ignoring all this.

Karadjordje

61 posted on 02/09/2003 9:28:36 AM PST by Karadjordje
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To: Karadjordje
What year is the report "MUSLIM ENCLAVE COMMANDER RESPONSIBLE FOR DEATH OF OVER 1,000 SERBS" from - 1995? Because it says:
"Muslim civilians who last year moved to the northwestern Bosnian town of Tuzla under U.N. protection say that each of them had to pay 100 German marks to Oric in order to leave Srebrenica."

The Muslim civilians would likely include men right? It doesn't say it was only women and children who were allowed to leave if they paid. The details on those missing from Srebrenica show some were last seen around Srebrenica a year or more it was taken over, so probably many had left Srebrenica and weren't even there in July 1995. The civilians who bribed their way out to get to Tuzla could have then traveled elsewhere in Bosnia or left it altogether.

62 posted on 02/09/2003 9:49:28 AM PST by joan
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To: DAPFE8900
bump to your comments
63 posted on 02/09/2003 9:50:43 AM PST by mel
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To: joan
November 23, 1995 from the Yugoslavian agency tanjug.

Sorry, I forgot to post the source:

http://www.hri.org/news/balkans/yds/95-11-23.yds.html (<- Click)

Karadjordje

64 posted on 02/09/2003 9:56:56 AM PST by Karadjordje
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To: Karadjordje
CobaltBlue wrote: I am laughing at you because you don't want to talk about all the people murdered by Serbs. Why not?

You never accused antisemitic war criminal and fascist revisionist Franjo Tudjman or war criminal Fundamentalist Islamist Bosnian leader Alija Izetbegovic.



late Croatian Presidant Franjo Tudjman in Knin in front of his ethnic cleansing troops

On May 24, 1992, the late Croatian leader Tudjman spoke to his nation from the Ban Jelacic Square [in Zagreb], saying literally:

"There would not have been a war had Croatia not wanted it, but we judged this was the only way to achieve independence."

You don't believe me - you have to because this are facts! Watch the Croatian "Goebbles-movies":

Franjo Tudjman's speech at the Ban Jelacic Square [in Zagreb, Croatia] in Serbian Part 1 (1,3 Megabyte, MPG-Format)(<- Click)

Franjo Tudjman's speech at the Ban Jelacic Square [in Zagreb, Croatia] in Serbian Part 2 (1,3 Megabyte, MPG-Format)(<- Click)

Franjo Tudjman's speech at the Ban Jelacic Square [in Zagreb, Croatia] in Serbian Part 3 (1,3 Megabyte, MPG-Format)(<- Click)

Franjo Tudjman's speech at the Ban Jelacic Square [in Zagreb, Croatia] in Serbian Part 4 (1,3 Megabyte, MPG-Format)(<- Click)

Karadjordje

65 posted on 02/09/2003 11:51:58 AM PST by Karadjordje
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To: Pyro7480
Thanks for the very nice reply.
66 posted on 02/09/2003 12:29:35 PM PST by crazykatz
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To: Karadjordje
You have blown that weisel "greencobalt" right out of the water!!

GREAT JOB!!

Now, you have educated a whole group of freepers about EXACTLY what went on in the Balkans.

I am more convinced than ever that Croats ONLY can define themselves by their hatred of the Orthodox Serbs.

The Croats have no decent history... no heroes from WWII and no future as a country because the western countries have their economy by the short hairs!! Croatia is not a country it is an "economic opportunity" for western companies to exploit. Why am I not surprised?

67 posted on 02/09/2003 12:47:49 PM PST by crazykatz
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To: crazykatz
I wonder why CobaltBlue never mentioned Alija Izetbegovic's book "Islamic Declaration". It was written in 1970 by former Muslim president Alija Izetbegovic. In 1983 (time of old federal communist yugoslavia) he was sentenced to 13 years in prison for his islamistic, intolerant book. In 1990 "Islamic Declaration" was printed again in Sarajevo. Read now some passages:


Alija Izetbegovic

The following are excerpts from the book "The Islamic Declaration" ("Islamska deklaracija"), written by Mr. Alija Izetbegovic, current President of Bosnia-Herzegovina. The book was reprinted by "BOSNA", Sarajevo, 1990, 127 pages.

"... Do we want the Muslim nations to cease moving in circles, to stop being dependent, backward and poverty-stricken;

do we want them to once again with a sure step climb the road of dignity and enlightment and to become masters of their own fate;

do we want the springs of courage, genius and virtue to come forth strongly once again;

then we must show the way which leads to that objective:

The implementation of Islam in all fields of individuals' personal lives, in family and in society, by renewal of the Islamic religious thought and creating a uniform Muslim community from Morocco to Indonesia. ..."

Izetbegovic, Alija, Islamska deklaracija, Sarajevo, 1990, p. 3
 

"... A nation, and an individual, who has accepted Islam is incapable of living and dying for another ideal after that fact. It is unthinkable for a Muslim to sacrifice himself for any tzar or ruler, no matter what his name may be, or for the glory of any nation, party or some such, because acting on the strongest Muslim instinct he recognizes in this a certain type of godlessness and idolatry. A Muslim can die only with the name of Allah on his lips and for the glory of Islam, or he may run away from the battlefield. ..."

Izetbegovic, Alija, Islamska deklaracija, Sarajevo, 1990, p. 4
 

"... Muslim nations will never accept anything that is explicitly against Islam, because Islam here is not merely a faith and the law, Islam has become love and compassion. He who rises against Islam will reap nothing but hate and resistance. ..."

Izetbegovic, Alija, Islamska deklaracija, Sarajevo, 1990, p. 17
 

"... In perspective, there is but one way out in sight: creation and gathering of a new intelligence which thinks and feels along Islamic lines. This intelligence would then raise the flag of the Islamic order and together with the Muslim masses embark into action to implement this order. ..."

Izetbegovic, Alija, Islamska deklaracija, Sarajevo, 1990, p. 18
 

"... The shortest definition of the Islamic order defines it as a unity of faith and law, upbringing and force, ideals and interests, spiritual community and state, free will and force. As a synthesis of these components, the Islamic order has two fundamental premises: an Islamic society and Islamic authority. The former is the essence, and the latter the form of an Islamic order. An Islamic society without Islamic power is incomplete and weak; Islamic power without an Islamic society is either a utopia or violence.

A Muslim generally does not exist as an individual. If he wishes to live and survive as a Muslim, he must create an environment, a community, an order. He must change the world or be changed himself. History knows of no true Islamic movement which was not at the same time a political movement as well. This is because Islam is a faith, but also a philosophy, a set of moral codes, an order of things, a style, an atmosphere - in a nutshell, an integral way of life. ..."

Izetbegovic, Alija, Islamska deklaracija, Sarajevo, 1990, p. 19
 

"... The first and foremost of such conclusions is surely the one on the incompatibility of Islam and non- Islamic systems. There can be no peace or coexistence between the "Islamic faith" and non- Islamic societies and political institutions. ... Islam clearly excludes the right and possibility of activity of any strange ideology on its own turf. Therefore, there is no question of any laicistic principles, and the state should be an expression and should support the moral concepts of the religion. ..."

Izetbegovic, Alija, Islamska deklaracija, Sarajevo, 1990, p. 22
 

" Islam contains the principle of ummet, i.e. the tendency towards unification of all Muslims into a single community - a spiritual, cultural and political community. Islam is not a nationality, it is above nationalities. ..."

Izetbegovic, Alija, Islamska deklaracija, Sarajevo, 1990, p. 27
 

"... The upbringing of the nation, and especially the mass media - the press, TV and film - should be in the hands of people whose Islamic moral and intellectual authority is undisputed. ...

... Islamic renewal cannot be initiated without a religious, and cannot be successfully continued and concluded without a political revolution."

Izetbegovic, Alija, Islamska deklaracija, Sarajevo, 1990, p. 32
 

"... Establishing of an Islamic order is thus shown as the ultimate act of democracy, because it means the implementation of the deepest desires of the Muslim nations and common man. One thing is certain: no matter what a part of the rich and the intelligence wants, the common man wants Islam and living in his Islamic community. ..."

Izetbegovic, Alija, Islamska deklaracija, Sarajevo, 1990, p. 33
 

"... In the struggle for an Islamic order all methods are permitted, except one - except crime. No-one has the right to smear the beautiful name of Islam and this struggle by uncontrolled and excessive use of violence. ..."

Izetbegovic, Alija, Islamska deklaracija, Sarajevo, 1990, p. 37
 

"... Islamic order may be implemented only in countries where Muslims represent the majority of the population. Without this majority, the Islamic order is reduced to authority only (because the other element is lacking - the Islamic society), and may turn into violence. ..."

Izetbegovic, Alija, Islamska deklaracija, Sarajevo, 1990, p. 37
 

"... the Islamic movement should and must start taking over the power as soon as it is morally and numerically strong enough to not only overthrow the existing non-Islamic, but also to build up a new Islamic authority. ..."

Izetbegovic, Alija, Islamska deklaracija, Sarajevo, 1990, p. 43
 

"... Pakistan was a general rehearsal of introducing Islamic order under modern conditions and on the present stage of development. ...

... The conclusions from the twenty-odd year of Pakistan's existence are clear enough. They are:

First, the struggle for Islamic order and a general reconstruction of the Muslim society can be successfully conducted only by experienced and seasoned individuals, aligned into a staunch and homogenous organization. This organization is no political party from the arsenal of the Western democracy; it is a movement based on Islamic ideology and with clear moral and ideological criteria of belonging;

Second, the struggle for an Islamic order today is a struggle to implement the essence of Islam, and this means that in practice one must ensure religious and moral upbringing of the people and provide for basic elements of social justice. At this time, forms are of secondary importance; and

Third, the functions of the Islamic republic are not to primarily declare equality of all men and brotherhood of all Muslims, but to struggle for some of these high moral principles in practice. The awakened Islam should in every community take into its own hands the flag for a more just social order and to clearly state that in struggling for Islam another war is being declared as well, the one against ignorance, injustice and poverty, a war without compromises and setbacks. ..."

Izetbegovic, Alija, Islamska deklaracija, Sarajevo, 1990, p. 45-46
 

"... In one of the thesis for an Islamic order today we have stated that it is a natural function of the Islamic order to gather all Muslims and Muslim communities throughout the world into one. Under present conditions, this desire means a struggle for creating a great Islamic federation from Morocco to Indonesia, from the tropical Africa to the Central Asia. ..."

Izetbegovic, Alija, Islamska deklaracija, Sarajevo, 1990, p. 46
 

"... Panislamism always came from the very heart of the Muslim peoples, nationalism was always imported stuff. ..."

Izetbegovic, Alija, Islamska deklaracija, Sarajevo, 1990, p. 49
 

"... But, under the leadership of Zionists, started an action in Palestine which is not only inhumane and ruthless but also shortsighted and adventuresome. This politics takes in account only temporary ratio of power and forgets about overall ratio of power between Jews and Muslims in the world. This politics in Palestine is a provocation to all Muslims of the world. Jerusalem is not only a question of Palestinians, neither is it a question of Arabs only. It is a question of all the Muslim nations. TO KEEP JERUSALEM, THE JEWS WOULD HAVE TO DEFEAT ISLAM AND THE MUSLIMS, AND THAT - THANK GOD - IS OUTSIDE THEIR POWER."

Izetbegovic, Alija, Islamska deklaracija, Sarajevo, 1990, p. 53
 

"... We would like to distinguish between Jews and Zionists, but only if Jews themselves find strength to find the difference. We hope that the military victories, which they had against quarrelling Arab regimes, (not against Arabs or against Muslims) will not blur their minds. We hope that they will eliminate confrontation which they made by them- selves, so the new road is open to a life on the common ground of Palestine. If they, though, continue on the road of arrogance, which is more likely, then for the whole Islam movement, and FOR ALL MUSLIMS THERE IS BUT ONE SOLUTION: TO CONTINUE TO FIGHT, TO STRENGTHEN AND BROADEN IT, FROM DAY TO DAY, FROM YEAR TO YEAR, NO MATTER THE VICTIMS AND NO MATTER THE TIME it may last, until they are forced to RETURN EVERY INCH OF THE OCCUPIED LAND. EVERY NEGOTIATION AND EVERY COMPROMISE ON THIS FUNDAMENTAL ISSUE FOR OUR BROTHERS IN PALESTINE, WILL BE A TREASON WHICH MAY DESTROY THE VERY CORE OF THE MORAL SYSTEM OF OUR WORLD.

These are not new laws of our new Islam politics toward Christians and Jews, not new laws dictated by the new political situation. They are just the practical conclusions taken from the Islamic recognition of Christians and Jews which come right from the Qu'ran (Qu'ran, 29/45, 2/136, 5/47-49)

Izetbegovic, Alija, Islamska deklaracija, Sarajevo, 1990, p. 53-54.

Source: http://www.hvk.org/hvk/articles/0802/0.html.31990.VINCLUDEFIX (<- Click)

Here are some pictures of Alija Izetbegovic with his Jihad friends.
Watch and enjoy it:


Izetbegovic salutes a Mudshahedin fighter in Bosnia


Izetbegovic together with Mudshahedin fighters in Bosnia


Holy Islamic fighters in Bosnia


Izetbegovic's Jihad army in Bosnia


Izetbegovic's Jihad army in Bosnia


A Mudshahedin in Bosnia


Holy warriors of Islam in Bosnia


Izetbegovic and his Islamic warriors in Bosnia


Mudshahedin fighters in Bosnia


Izetband Sheikh Abu Abdulrahman from 'El Mudshahedin' in Bosnia

Karadjordje

68 posted on 02/09/2003 1:43:46 PM PST by Karadjordje
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To: CobaltBlue
CobaltBlue, so tell me have you ever read "Islamic Declaration" after Tudjmans antisemitic, revisionistic and nazi-glorifing book "Wastelands -- Historical Truth"?

It's a nice Islamistic Fundamentalist and intolerant book written by your big hero Alija Izitbegovic in 1970.

Karadjordje

69 posted on 02/09/2003 1:52:44 PM PST by Karadjordje
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To: Karadjordje
BTTT

And, just think....all the muslims want to rule the world... imagine being a Christian Serb or Croat living in Bosnia and reading that garbage about having an islamic state in Bosnia. THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ENOUGH TO MAKE THE CHRISTIANS BAND TOGETHER AND GO TO WAR AGAINST THE MUSLIMs and fight tooth and nail to prevent such a thing from happening.

Well, we all know what REALLY happened now don't we?

70 posted on 02/09/2003 2:09:03 PM PST by crazykatz
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To: crazykatz
Hello crazykatz!

Do you remember when the western Media shoutet "The Serbs have occupied almost half of Bosnia!"
This statement is from a fascist. Even in Hitler's (In 1939 Hitler said: "I have three enemies, the Serbs, the Jews and the Communists.") nazi maps everyone can see that the Serbs lived in more then 50% of Bosnia for centuries.

Look at this maps:


Dr. Manfred Straka from Graz's "Sudostdeutsches Institut", Jugoslawien: Volkliche Gliederung, Mehrheitsgebiete, 1940


Legende zur Volklichen Gliederung von 1940

Or look at this newer maps from the New York Times or from the National Geographic:


The New York Times, "Demographics", 26.11.1994


National Geographic Vol. 189, No.6, "In focus - Bosnia", Juni 1996

Now compare it with the Mudshahedin map:


Map of an "Islamic Bosnia" drawn from Islamist Fundamentalists

Karadjordje

71 posted on 02/09/2003 2:49:50 PM PST by Karadjordje
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To: crazykatz
Dear crazykatz,

Maybe if the Serbs hadn't shelled Zadar or Osijek than they together with the Croatians could have taken care of the Muslims.

You're right about the danger of Islam in Bosnia though.

Croatians and Serbians should put aside past differences and focus on the twin threats of Western meddling in their governments, and Islamic expansionism on their borders.



be seeing you,

foreign policy wonk


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72 posted on 02/09/2003 2:51:48 PM PST by foreign policy wonk (Take down the House of Saud!)
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To: Karadjordje
What CobaltBlue does not understand is the cause of the conflicts during the last decade in the balkans. He doesn't realize that the war was forced on the Serbs by the descendants of Hitler's allies. It was a direct continuation of the battles that ended in 1945 with the end of WWII. The Croats, Bosnian Muslims and Kosovo Albanians were more than loyal allies of Adolf Hitler. Their goals, ideology and traitorous behaviour during the 1940's and the 1990's were the same. What he's lamenting about is that the Serbs were actually defeating those resurected Nazi-allies at the begining of the conflict in the 1990's. Untill NATO rescued them from total military defeat. They were protected by Hitler and used the Wehrmacht-umbrella to commit genocide. Sad thing is, that NATO choosed to play Hitler's role nowadays in the balkans.
73 posted on 02/09/2003 2:52:05 PM PST by DestroyEraseImprove
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To: Karadjordje
Your second map is not a demographic map, but rather a map outlining front lines.

Thank you for posting the maps BTW.



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foreign policy wonk


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74 posted on 02/09/2003 2:53:41 PM PST by foreign policy wonk (Take down the House of Saud!)
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To: DestroyEraseImprove
What you're excluding is the fact that Croatia was led by those who fought Hitler, men like Bobetko and Tudjman.

There were some rightwing nationalists, yes, and some crimes were committed. But to equate them to the Ustasha doesn't make sense as the bulk of them fought the Ustasha.

Nothing in the Balkans is black and white. That's for certain.

You're also excluding Serbian Chetnik collaboration, particularly in Bosnia and Croatia.

Mihajlovic (is that the correct spelling?) was the least tainted by collaboration, as he actually fought the Germans.

The further West you went, the deeper the collaboration was.

The Chetniks under Djujic had as their leader a man who was a disciple of Ljotic, the collaborationist leader of the Zbor party.

Collaboration occurred on all sides.

The Serbs of Croatia and Bosnia fought both as collaborators and resistors.

Parallels to WW2 don't work.



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post 0052
75 posted on 02/09/2003 2:57:43 PM PST by foreign policy wonk (Take down the House of Saud!)
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To: foreign policy wonk
Maybe if the Serbs hadn't shelled Zadar or Osijek than they together with the Croatians could have taken care of the Muslims.

Maybe if the Serbs wouldn't had accepted to be protected by the traitorous and lying UN helmets in 1991/92 and instead had chosen to settle the scores once and for all with the resurected Nazi-allies at that time, we would see a Serbian state including the Krajina and most of Bosnia. The Croats could have had their part of Hercegovina as compensation and the rest of muslim bosnia if they wanted. Tudman said the bosnian muslims are croats anyways.

76 posted on 02/09/2003 3:04:22 PM PST by DestroyEraseImprove
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To: DestroyEraseImprove
The Vance Plan cemented Serb gains in Croatia for a few years.

Milosevic decided that they were expendable and sold them down the river, allowing Croatian forces to run rampant.

I still can't believe the refugee Serbs didn't lynch him when they got to Belgrade.

Saying this, Serb and Croat intellects realize that they no longer are enemies, as the danger of Islamic expansionism and western meddling is a much larger danger.

They were once united against the Turks on Field of Blackbirds, and in the revolts in Hercegovina.

Now, they're united again.



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77 posted on 02/09/2003 3:08:08 PM PST by foreign policy wonk (Take down the House of Saud!)
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To: foreign policy wonk
What you're excluding is the fact that Croatia was led by those who fought Hitler, men like Bobetko and Tudjman.

Nothing contradictory here. Tudman and Bobetko converted to Ustashluk in their old days.

The further West you went, the deeper the collaboration was.

Maybe that has something to do with the fact, that he further West you went, the more intense was the genocide perpetrated against serbs in that area.

Collaboration occurred on all sides.

Your attempt to equalize some minor serb collaboration in ares in which they were exterminated with the open and direct ideological support of Hitler by the Nazi-puppet called NDH fails miserably. Take a look at the map of Yugoslavia during the occupation and the states that were created by the third Reich and their borders. Serbia was decimated and the only state under military administration. That means, Serbia was ruled directly from Berlin. Zagreb on the other hand made the decision to exterminate it's serbian population within the borders of NDH on it's own.

78 posted on 02/09/2003 3:30:01 PM PST by DestroyEraseImprove
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To: DestroyEraseImprove
Croatian Nationalism is not equivalent to "Ustashism" like Serbian nationalism is not equivalent to the Ljotic brand.

It's a common misperception.

As for WW2 collaboration, the Croatian puppet state was divided into two zones of occupation, one Italian and one German.

The Serbian state was under German military occupation.

This isn't an attempt to equalize the level of collaboration, please refrain from making assumptions like that.

The point I'm making is that the picture in the Balkans isn't black and white, as has been portrayed on this discussion.

What's important is that there are new enemies and new alliances at stake now. History is the poison of the Balkans, whether it be the slaughter of Serbs in WW2, or the slaughter of Bosnians, or Macedonians, etc.

The lines have shifted.

Those in the know in both Belgrade and Zagreb see that.

Visionaries need to be recognized, and history needs to be tossed.

Don't become a prisoner of history.

Radical Islam is the clear and present danger.



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foreign policy wonk


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79 posted on 02/09/2003 3:36:13 PM PST by foreign policy wonk (Take down the House of Saud!)
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To: foreign policy wonk
Tudman sold the Hercegovina Croats down the river. They are forced to live in this silly moron called 'Federation'. I still believe Milosevic and Tudman had a deal worked out regarding Krajina and Bosnia-Hercegovina. Guess Tudman became to greedy or the US made him an offer he couldn't refuse. We'll have to wait a few years or decades, but fact is that the status quo now is only a transition for the 'final' solution.
80 posted on 02/09/2003 3:45:27 PM PST by DestroyEraseImprove
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