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Ashcroft proposes vast new surveillance powers
Security Focus online ^ | Feb 7, 2003 | Kevin Poulsen

Posted on 02/08/2003 1:44:57 PM PST by Faith65

Ashcroft proposes vast new surveillance powers

By Kevin Poulsen, SecurityFocus Feb 7 2003 7:06PM

A sweeping new anti-terrorism bill drafted by the Justice Department would dramatically increase government electronic surveillance and data collection abilities, and impose the first-ever federal criminal penalties for using encryption in the U.S.

A draft of the Domestic Security Enhancement Act of 2003 dated January 9th was obtained by the non-partisan Center for Public Integrity and released Friday. The 120-page proposal would further expand many of the surveillance powers Congress granted federal law enforcement in the USA-PATRIOT Act in 2001, while increasing the secrecy surrounding some government functions.

The Justice Department hasn't released the proposal publicly, nor has it been formally submitted to lawmakers, but a legislative "control sheet" attached to the bill [pdf] indicates that review copies were sent to Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert, and Vice President Richard Cheney last month. In a written statement Friday, a Justice Department spokesperson said it would be "premature to speculate on any future decisions, particularly ideas or proposals that are still being discussed at staff levels."

Civil liberties groups are already calling the bill "Patriot II".

"I just don't know where to start, it's just expanding everything," says Lee Tien, staff attorney at the Electronic Frontier Foundation. "When this hits the Hill there's going to be a lot more talk about what's going on, as opposed to the Patriot Act, where Congress just went on the government's say-so."

One provision in the bill would represent America's first domestic regulation of encryption, though it would apply only to those already attempting to commit a federal crime.

The new law against "Unlawful use of encryption" would establish prison terms for anyone who "knowingly and willfully uses encryption technology to conceal any incriminating communication" relating to a federal crime that they're committing, or attempting to commit. Offenders would face up to ten years in prison, in addition to the jail time the underlying crime carries, if any. A Justice Department analysis included with the proposal suggests that the illegal encrypting carry a mandatory minimum term of five years in prison.

Similar language has appeared in other government proposals dating back to the mid-1990's. But as encryption becomes more integrated into everyday Internet use, the idea of establishing a special punishment for using crypto borders on the ludicrous, says Tien. "As more and more Internet communications use encryption, it's going to be the default... It's like saying if you use a payphone you should go to jail."

Other provisions in the bill would: Allow a federal judge in one part of the country to issue a search warrant for a location in another part of the country in cases involving the suspected financing of terrorist organizations, attacks on critical infrastructure, or computer crime. The USA-PATRIOT Act allowed such inter-jurisdictional searches only in terrorism cases.

Eliminate the requirement that federal agents issue a subpoena or obtain a court order to access someone's credit report. Under the bill, agents would only need to certify that they will use the information "in connection with their duties to enforce federal law" to secretly gain access to a consumer's credit profile.

Expand grand jury secrecy rules to apply to witnesses, allowing prosecutors to order ordinary citizens not to divulge the existence of a grand jury investigation, or their own testimony, to anyone except an attorney. Current grand jury secrecy rules apply only to jurors, prosecutors and courtroom staff.

Permit federal agents to monitor both voice and Internet communications from a target's Web-enabled cell phone, and to access the contents of the device's memory, with a single court order

Expand the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act that governs U.S. spying on foreign nationals, and make it easy for agents to share foreign intelligence information with criminal investigators.

Many of the over 100 changes to federal law proposed in the bill don't involve the Internet. Among other things, the Domestic Security Enhancement Act would codify the Justice Department's position that the government doesn't have to identify detainees held in terrorism investigations unless they're charged with a crime. Another provision would expand a federal DNA databases of suspected terrorists. The bill would also strip some suspected American terrorists of their citizenship.

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More rights being taken away..........
1 posted on 02/08/2003 1:44:57 PM PST by Faith65
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To: Faith65
Won't pass. The tide is turning. Congress now is sorry they allowed the first one.
2 posted on 02/08/2003 1:50:30 PM PST by proxy_user
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To: Faith65
More rights being taken away..........

Only privileges can be taken away. Rights can only be violated and/or abridged.

3 posted on 02/08/2003 1:59:05 PM PST by sourcery
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To: proxy_user
FReepers ought to be picketing the Justice Department and calling Attorney General Ashcroft out on the carpet. The Patriot Act of 2001 and the Domestic Security Enhancement Act of 2003 are both abominable. The more I hear coming out of Ashcroft, the more convinced I remain that he's a Nephilim creature not far removed from the likes of Janet Reno. Party affiliation makes no difference!
4 posted on 02/08/2003 2:01:40 PM PST by BrucefromMtVernon
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To: proxy_user
Won't pass. The tide is turning. Congress now is sorry they allowed the first one.

They can ram it down our throats after the next terrorist attack. Cowards will allow anything as long as they feel "protected".
5 posted on 02/08/2003 2:01:57 PM PST by steve50 (Nolan in 04)
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To: BrucefromMtVernon
FReepers ought to be picketing the Justice Department and calling Attorney General Ashcroft out on the carpet.

You are either with us or you are a terrorist, so simple, clear, concise. 1984 with a hard-on.

6 posted on 02/08/2003 2:07:54 PM PST by TightSqueeze (From the Department of Homeland Security, sponsors of Liberty-Lite, Less Freedom! / Red Tape!)
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To: proxy_user
Hmmm ... if there is a major terrorist strike state-side, Congress by habit might all over this to wrap themselves up in. However I agree the temper of the electorate would be more agin it -- being so even after a hit, and Congress if politically tuned, would not be as gung-ho to pass it as some proponents might imagine.
7 posted on 02/08/2003 2:08:18 PM PST by bvw
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To: Faith65
This will pass. I believe that it is no coincidence that the text of this bill was released shortly after the gov't issued the new "terror alert".

Not only that, but since the text of Patriot 2 is now public, that means that Patriot 3 has already been written, and they are about to start writing Patriot 4.

The only question that remains now is can they get Patriot 2 passed before the next "incident" so they can use that event to pass Patriot 3; or are they going to drag their feet and pass Patriot 2 with the next event.

8 posted on 02/08/2003 2:13:31 PM PST by Mulder (Guns and chicks rule)
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To: Faith65
Herding the sheep.
9 posted on 02/08/2003 2:14:13 PM PST by Double Tap
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To: Faith65
"Ashcroft proposes ..."

A brief LYING ALERT!!!!!!!!!!! interruption...

Ashcroft hasn't proposed anything in the draft wish list by the staff.


Now back to the rants about the non-existent proposals by people who haven't read them...

10 posted on 02/08/2003 2:17:03 PM PST by mrsmith
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To: steve50; Mulder
I think this will pass too.........
Wait and see........
the way they are issuing these alerts......
something is bound to happen....
but the question is........
WHO DID IT?
Are freedoms are slowly disappearing........
God is our only Hope!
11 posted on 02/08/2003 2:17:24 PM PST by Faith65
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To: TightSqueeze
And they told us that if we elected Bush and supported Ashcroft, this would never happen. I was Republican then. I hope the rest wake up and realize that no political party stands by what it says. Vote independent.
12 posted on 02/08/2003 2:22:46 PM PST by mysterio
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To: mysterio
Vote independent.

With CFR and paperless voting machines I'd say vote independent and use absentee ballots. Doesn't look like elections are going to be much of a problem for the good ole boys from here on out.
13 posted on 02/08/2003 2:33:31 PM PST by steve50 (Nolan in 04)
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To: mrsmith
here's the wish list in black and white and pdf
PAII
Neat stuff ......administrative search warrants with no judge required.
Secret trials. Secret seizures.
Good stuff
/sarcasm
14 posted on 02/08/2003 2:46:29 PM PST by wewillnotfail
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To: BrucefromMtVernon
Party affiliation makes no difference!

After many, many years I think I've finally figured out the equation of DC...

Republican/Democrat = Good Cop/Bad Cop

15 posted on 02/08/2003 2:51:19 PM PST by The Duke
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To: Faith65
The next Bill Clinton is really going to have a field day with these new powers.
16 posted on 02/08/2003 2:55:38 PM PST by The Duke
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To: wewillnotfail
7 megs!, well that's better than the 12 meg file CPI has that I haven't been able to download.

Saaaay buddy ol' pal, if you have it how about posting it?

Might be interesting to see what kind of problems they're having and what kind of solutions they're thinking of.

18 posted on 02/08/2003 3:09:13 PM PST by mrsmith
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To: sourcery
Only privileges can be taken away. Rights can only be violated and/or abridged.

And yet... ex-cons are not permitted to "keep & bear arms," as the pretty much universal interpretation of the Second Amendment goes. Given that such denial does not exist in the Constitution, does this mean:
1. The interpretation is wrong, or
2. There is a right being violated, and/or
3. There is a right being abridged, or
4. Something else?

(I am not attacking your statement, btw, I think you're correct -- I'm just trying to conform it to existing legal practice.)

19 posted on 02/08/2003 7:03:55 PM PST by Eala
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To: Mulder
This will pass. I believe that it is no coincidence that the text of this bill was released shortly after the gov't issued the new "terror alert".
Not only that, but since the text of Patriot 2 is now public, that means that Patriot 3 has already been written, and they are about to start writing Patriot 4.
The only question that remains now is can they get Patriot 2 passed before the next "incident" so they can use that event to pass Patriot 3; or are they going to drag their feet and pass Patriot 2 with the next event.

Well, okay. If they're about to start writing Patriot 4 and thus casting it into concrete, Patriot 5 (the stuff that got excluded from Patriot 4) must be starting to congeal in discussion, and that means that Patriot 6 is beginning to be forming out there on the fringes with even the possibility of some of that material being put off until Patriot 7.

20 posted on 02/08/2003 7:11:26 PM PST by Eala (what I want to know is... what's in Patriot 43?)
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To: Mulder
The only question that remains now is can they get Patriot 2 passed before the next "incident" so they can use that event to pass Patriot 3;

You seem to be implying that they have no control over the timing of the "incidents".

21 posted on 02/08/2003 7:18:19 PM PST by palmer (How's my posting? 1-888-ITS-GOOD)
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To: Faith65
I hear that train a-coming, it's coming round the bend...
22 posted on 02/08/2003 7:50:25 PM PST by philman_36
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To: Eala
If you steal (or borrow without repaying as agreed), your right to specific property can be lost, and title to that property transferred to whomever you owe. This involuntary transfer of title to property is not a violation of your right to property, because rights must be reciprocal: to violate the rights of someone else destroys the basis for your own rights.

If you are attempting to kill or seriously harm someone else, that behavior destroys the basis for any valid claim on your part to any right to life, or self defense--at least to the extent necessary to permit others to defend themselves against your actions, up to and including the use of deadly force.

Theoretically, those whose past actions demonstrate sufficient disregard for the rights of others have undermined or destroyed the basis for their own rights. Reasonable people can disagree on the rightful extent and duration of any such punishment, and on the sort of behavior that would justify such disablement, but that's the theory behind the loss of rights as a consequence of wrongful behavior.

The key idea is reciprocity: it's wrong for you to kill me, because it's wrong for me to kill you. To untie that knot leads to all sorts of trouble.

23 posted on 02/08/2003 8:53:18 PM PST by sourcery
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