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Are You Ready? National Security Emergencies
http://www.whitehouse.gov/ ^ | February 7, 2003 | WHITE HOUSE

Posted on 02/10/2003 5:24:36 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK

Are You Ready?

National Security Emergencies

In addition to the natural and technological hazards described in this publication, Americans face threats posed by hostile governments or extremist groups. These threats to national security include acts of terrorism and acts of war. The following is general information about national security emergencies. For more information about how to prepare for them, including volunteering in a Citizen Corps program, see the “For More Information” chapter at the end of this guide.

Terrorism

Terrorism is the use of force or violence against persons or property in violation of the criminal laws of the United States for purposes of intimidation, coercion or ransom. Terrorists often use threats to create fear among the public, to try to convince citizens that their government is powerless to prevent terrorism, and to get immediate publicity for their causes. Acts of terrorism range from threats of terrorism, assassinations, kidnappings, hijackings, bomb scares and bombings, cyber attacks (computer-based), to the use of chemical, biological and nuclear weapons. High-risk targets include military and civilian government facilities, international airports, large cities and high-profile landmarks. Terrorists might also target large public gatherings, water and food supplies, utilities, and corporate centers. Further, they are capable of spreading fear by sending explosives or chemical and biological agents through the mail. In the immediate area of a terrorist event, you would need to rely on police, fire and other officials for instructions. However, you can prepare in much the same way you would prepare for other crisis events.

Preparing for terrorism

  1. Wherever you are, be aware of your surroundings. The very nature of terrorism suggests there may be little or no warning.
  2. Take precautions when traveling. Be aware of conspicuous or unusual behavior. Do not accept packages from strangers. Do not leave luggage unattended. Unusual behavior, suspicious packages and strange devices should be promptly reported to the police or security personnel.
  3. Do not be afraid to move or leave if you feel uncomfortable or if something does not seem right.
  4. Learn where emergency exits are located in buildings you frequent. Notice where exits are when you enter unfamiliar buildings. Plan how to get out of a building, subway or congested public area or traffic. Note where staircases are located. Notice heavy or breakable objects that could move, fall or break in an explosion.
  5. Assemble a disaster supply kit at home and learn first aid. Separate the supplies you would take if you had to evacuate quickly, and put them in a backpack or container, ready to go.
  6. Be familiar with different types of fire extinguishers and how to locate them. Know the location and availability of hard hats in buildings in which you spend a lot of time.

Protection against cyber attacks

Cyber attacks target computer or telecommunication networks of critical infrastructures such as power systems, traffic control systems, or financial systems. Cyber attacks target information technologies (IT) in three different ways. First, is a direct attack against an information system “through the wires” alone (hacking). Second, the attack can be a physical assault against a critical IT element. Third, the attack can be from the inside as a result of compromising a trusted party with access to the system.

  1. Be prepared to do without services you normally depend on that could be disrupted—electricity, telephone, natural gas, gasoline pumps, cash registers, ATM machines, and internet transactions.
  2. Be prepared to respond to official instructions if a cyber attack triggers other hazards, for example, general evacuation, evacuation to shelter, or shelter-in-place, because of hazardous materials releases, nuclear power plant incident, dam or flood control system failures.

Preparing for a building explosion

Explosions can collapse buildings and cause fires. People who live or work in a multi-level building can do the following:

  1. Review emergency evacuation procedures. Know where emergency exits are located.
  2. Keep fire extinguishers in working order. Know where they are located, and learn how to use them.
  3. Learn first aid. Contact the local chapter of the American Red Cross for information and training.
  4. Building owners should keep the following items in a designated place on each floor of the building.

Bomb threats

If you receive a bomb threat, get as much information from the caller as possible. Keep the caller on the line and record everything that is said. Then notify the police and the building management.

If you are notified of a bomb threat, do not touch any suspicious packages. Clear the area around suspicious packages and notify the police immediately. In evacuating a building, don’t stand in front of windows, glass doors or other potentially hazardous areas. Do not block sidewalk or streets to be used by emergency officials or others still exiting the building.

Suspicious parcels and letters

Be wary of suspicious packages and letters. They can contain explosives, chemical or biological agents. Be particularly cautious at your place of employment.

Some typical characteristics postal inspectors have detected over the years, which ought to trigger suspicion, include parcels that—

With suspicious envelopes and packages other than those that might contain explosives, take these additional steps against possible biological and chemical agents.

What to do if there is an explosion

Leave the building as quickly as possible. Do not stop to retrieve personal possessions or make phone calls. If things are falling around you, get under a sturdy table or desk until they stop falling. Then leave quickly, watching for weakened floors and stairs and falling debris as you exit.

  1. If there is a fire:

  2. If you are trapped in debris:

Chemical and Biological Weapons

In case of a chemical or biological weapon attack near you, authorities will instruct you on the best course of action. This may be to evacuate the area immediately, to seek shelter at a designated location, or to take immediate shelter where you are and seal the premises. The best way to protect yourself is to take emergency preparedness measures ahead of time and to get medical attention as soon as possible, if needed.

Chemical

Chemical warfare agents are poisonous vapors, aerosols, liquids or solids that have toxic effects on people, animals or plants. They can be released by bombs, sprayed from aircraft, boats, or vehicles, or used as a liquid to create a hazard to people and the environment. Some chemical agents may be odorless and tasteless. They can have an immediate effect (a few seconds to a few minutes) or a delayed effect (several hours to several days). While potentially lethal, chemical agents are difficult to deliver in lethal concentrations. Outdoors, the agents often dissipate rapidly. Chemical agents are also difficult to produce.

There are six types of agents:

Biological

Biological agents are organisms or toxins that can kill or incapacitate people, livestock and crops. The three basic groups of biological agents which would likely be used as weapons are bacteria, viruses, and toxins.

  1. Bacteria. Bacteria are small free-living organisms that reproduce by simple division and are easy to grow. The diseases they produce often respond to treatment with antibiotics.

  2. Viruses. Viruses are organisms which require living cells in which to reproduce and are intimately dependent upon the body they infect. Viruses produce diseases which generally do not respond to antibiotics. However, antiviral drugs are sometimes effective.

  3. Toxins. Toxins are poisonous substances found in, and extracted from, living plants, animals, or microorganisms; some toxins can be produced or altered by chemical means. Some toxins can be treated with specific antitoxins and selected drugs.

Most biological agents are difficult to grow and maintain. Many break down quickly when exposed to sunlight and other environmental factors, while others such as anthrax spores are very long lived. They can be dispersed by spraying them in the air, or infecting animals which carry the disease to humans as well through food and water contamination.

Anthrax spores formulated as a white powder were mailed to individuals in the government and media in the fall of 2001. Postal sorting machines and the opening of letters dispersed the spores as aerosols. Several deaths resulted. The effect was to disrupt mail service and to cause a widespread fear of handling delivered mail among the public.

Person-to-person spread of a few infectious agents is also possible. Humans have been the source of infection for smallpox, plague, and the Lassa viruses.

What to do to prepare for a chemical or biological attack

What to do during a chemical or biological attack

  1. Listen to your radio for instructions from authorities such as whether to remain inside or to evacuate.

  2. If you are instructed to remain in your home, the building where you are, or other shelter during a chemical or biological attack:

  3. If you are caught in an unprotected area, you should:

What to do after a chemical attack

Immediate symptoms of exposure to chemical agents may include blurred vision, eye irritation, difficulty breathing and nausea. A person affected by a chemical or biological agent requires immediate attention by professional medical personnel. If medical help is not immediately available, decontaminate yourself and assist in decontaminating others. Decontamination is needed within minutes of exposure to minimize health consequences. (However, you should not leave the safety of a shelter to go outdoors to help others until authorities announce it is safe to do so.)

  1. Use extreme caution when helping others who have been exposed to chemical agents:

  2. Remove all items in contact with the body.

  3. Flush eyes with lots of water.

  4. Gently wash face and hair with soap and water; then thoroughly rinse with water.

  5. Decontaminate other body areas likely to have been contaminated. Blot (do not swab or scrape) with a cloth soaked in soapy water and rinse with clear water.

  6. Change into uncontaminated clothes. Clothing stored in drawers or closets is likely to be uncontaminated.

  7. If possible, proceed to a medical facility for screening.

What to do after a biological attack

In many biological attacks, people will not know they have been exposed to an agent. In such situations, the first evidence of an attack may be when you notice symptoms of the disease caused by an agent exposure, and you should seek immediate medical attention for treatment. In some situations, like the anthrax letters sent in 2001, people may be alerted to a potential exposure. If this is the case, pay close attention to all official warnings and instructions on how to proceed. The delivery of medical services for a biological event may be handled differently to respond to increased demand. Again, it will be important for you to pay attention to official instructions via radio, television, and emergency alert systems. If your skin or clothing comes in contact with a visible, potentially infectious substance, you should remove and bag your clothes and personal items and wash yourself with warm soapy water immediately. Put on clean clothes and seek medical assistance. For more information, visit the website for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, www.bt.cdc.gov.

Nuclear and Radiological Attack

Nuclear explosions can cause deadly effects—blinding light, intense heat (thermal radiation), initial nuclear radiation, blast, fires started by the heat pulse, and secondary fires caused by the destruction. They also produce radioactive particles called fallout that can be carried by wind for hundreds of miles.

Terrorist use of a radiological dispersion device (RDD)—often called ”dirty nuke” or “dirty bomb”—is considered far more likely than use of a nuclear device. These radiological weapons are a combination of conventional explosives and radioactive material designed to scatter dangerous and sub-lethal amounts of radioactive material over a general area. Such radiological weapons appeal to terrorists because they require very little technical knowledge to build and deploy compared to that of a nuclear device. Also, these radioactive materials, used widely in medicine, agriculture, industry and research, are much more readily available and easy to obtain compared to weapons grade uranium or plutonium.

Terrorist use of a nuclear device would probably be limited to a single smaller “suitcase” weapon. The strength of such a weapon would be in the range of the bombs used during World War II. The nature of the effects would be the same as a weapon delivered by an inter-continental missile, but the area and severity of the effects would be significantly more limited.

There is no way of knowing how much warning time there would be before an attack by a terrorist using a nuclear or radiological weapon. A surprise attack remains a possibility.

The danger of a massive strategic nuclear attack on the United States involving many weapons receded with the end of the Cold War. However, some terrorists have been supported by nations that have nuclear weapons programs.

If there were threat of an attack from a hostile nation, people living near potential targets could be advised to evacuate or they could decide on their own to evacuate to an area not considered a likely target. Protection from radioactive fallout would require taking shelter in an underground area, or in the middle of a large building.

In general, potential targets include:

Taking shelter during a nuclear attack is absolutely necessary. There are two kinds of shelters—blast and fallout.

Blast shelters offer some protection against blast pressure, initial radiation, heat and fire, but even a blast shelter could not withstand a direct hit from a nuclear detonation.

Fallout shelters do not need to be specially constructed for that purpose. They can be any protected space, provided that the walls and roof are thick and dense enough to absorb the radiation given off by fallout particles. The three protective factors of a fallout shelter are shielding, distance, and time.

Remember that any protection, however temporary, is better than none at all, and the more shielding, distance and time you can take advantage of, the better.

Electromagnetic pulse

In addition to other effects, a nuclear weapon detonated in or above the earth’s atmosphere can create an electromagnetic pulse (EMP), a high-density electrical field. EMP acts like a stroke of lightning but is stronger, faster and briefer. EMP can seriously damage electronic devices connected to power sources or antennas. This include communication systems, computers, electrical appliances, and automobile or aircraft ignition systems. The damage could range from a minor interruption to actual burnout of components. Most electronic equipment within 1,000 miles of a high-altitude nuclear detonation could be affected. Battery powered radios with short antennas generally would not be affected.

Although EMP is unlikely to harm most people, it could harm those with pacemakers or other implanted electronic devices.

What to do before a nuclear or radiological attack

  1. Learn the warning signals and all sources of warning used in your community. Make sure you know what the signals are, what they mean, how they will be used, and what you should do if you hear them.

  2. Assemble and maintain a disaster supply kit with food, water, medications, fuel and personal items adequate for up to 2 weeks—the more the better. (See the “Emergency Planning and Disaster Supplies” chapter for more information).

  3. Find out what public buildings in your community may have been designated as fallout shelters. It may have been years ago, but start there, and learn which buildings are still in use and could be designated as shelters again.

  4. If you live in an apartment building or high-rise, talk to the manager about the safest place in the building for sheltering, and about providing for building occupants until it is safe to go out.

  5. There are few public shelters in many suburban and rural areas. If you are considering building a fallout shelter at home, keep the following in mind.

  6. Learn about your community’s evacuation plans. Such plans may include evacuation routes, relocation sites, how the public will be notified and transportation options for people who do not own cars and those who have special needs. See the “Evacuation” chapter for more information.

  7. Acquire other emergency preparedness booklets that you may need. See the “For More Information” chapter at the end of this guide.

What to do during a nuclear or radiological attack

  1. Do not look at the flash or fireball—it can blind you.

  2. If you hear an attack warning:

  3. Protect yourself from radioactive fallout. If you are close enough to see the brilliant flash of a nuclear explosion, the fallout will arrive in about 20 minutes. Take shelter, even if you are many miles from ground zero—radioactive fallout can be carried by the winds for hundreds of miles. Remember the three protective factors: shielding, distance and time.

  4. Keep a battery-powered radio with you, and listen for official information. Follow the instructions given. Local instructions should always take precedence: officials on the ground know the local situation best.

What to do after a nuclear or radiological attack

In a public or home shelter:

  1. Do not leave the shelter until officials say it is safe. Follow their instructions when leaving.

  2. If in a fallout shelter, stay in your shelter until local authorities tell you it is permissible or advisable to leave. The length of your stay can range from a day or two to four weeks.

  3. Although it may be difficult, make every effort to maintain sanitary conditions in your shelter space.

  4. Water and food may be scarce. Use them prudently but do not impose severe rationing, especially for children, the ill or elderly.

  5. Cooperate with shelter managers. Living with many people in confined space can be difficult and unpleasant.

Returning to your home

  1. Keep listening to the radio for news about what to do, where to go, and places to avoid.

  2. If your home was within the range of a bomb’s shock wave, or you live in a high-rise or other apartment building that experienced a non-nuclear explosion, check first for any sign of collapse or damage, such as:

  3. Immediately clean up spilled medicines, drugs, flammable liquids, and other potentially hazardous materials.

  4. Listen to your battery-powered radio for instructions and information about community services.

  5. Monitor the radio and your television for information on assistance that may be provided. Local, state and federal governments and other organizations will help meet emergency needs and help you recover from damage and losses.

  6. The danger may be aggravated by broken water mains and fallen power lines.

  7. If you turned gas, water and electricity off at the main valves and switch before you went to shelter:

  8. Stay away from damaged areas.

  9. Stay away from areas marked “radiation hazard” or “HAZMAT.”

For more information relevant to terrorism consult the following chapters:

Homeland Security Advisory System

The Homeland Security Advisory System was designed to provide a comprehensive means to disseminate information regarding the risk of terrorist acts to federal, state, and local authorities and to the American people. This system provides warnings in the form of a set of graduated “Threat Conditions” that increase as the risk of the threat increases. At each threat condition, federal departments and agencies would implement a corresponding set of “Protective Measures” to further reduce vulnerability or increase response capability during a period of heightened alert.

Although the Homeland Security Advisory System is binding on the executive branch, it is voluntary to other levels of government and the private sector. There are five threat conditions, each identified by a description and corresponding color.

The greater the risk of a terrorist attack, the higher the threat condition. Risk includes both the probability of an attack occurring and its potential gravity.

Threat conditions are assigned by the Attorney General in consultation with the Assistant to the President for Homeland Security. Threat conditions may be assigned for the entire nation, or they may be set for a particular geographic area or industrial sector. Assigned threat conditions will be reviewed at regular intervals to determine whether adjustments are warranted.

Threat Conditions and Associated Protective Measures

There is always a risk of a terrorist threat. Each threat condition assigns a level of alert appropriate to the increasing risk of terrorist attacks. Beneath each threat condition are some suggested protective measures that the government and the public can take, recognizing that the heads of federal departments and agencies are responsible for developing and implementing appropriate agency-specific Protective Measures:

Low Condition (Green). This condition is declared when there is a low risk of terrorist attacks. Federal departments and agencies will consider the following protective measures.

Members of the public can:

Guarded Condition (Blue). This condition is declared when there is a general risk of terrorist attacks. In addition to the measures taken in the previous threat condition, federal departments and agencies will consider the following protective measures:

Members of the public, in addition to the actions taken for the previous threat condition, can:

Elevated Condition (Yellow). An Elevated Condition is declared when there is a significant risk of terrorist attacks. In addition to the measures taken in the previous threat conditions, federal departments and agencies will consider the following protective measures:

Members of the public, in addition to the actions taken for the previous threat condition, can:

High Condition (Orange). A High Condition is declared when there is a high risk of terrorist attacks. In addition to the measures taken in the previous threat conditions, federal departments and agencies will consider the following protective measures:

Members of the public, in addition to the actions taken for the previous threat conditions, can:

Severe Condition (Red). A Severe Condition reflects a severe risk of terrorist attacks. Under most circumstances, the protective measures for a Severe Condition are not intended to be sustained for substantial periods of time. In addition to the protective measures in the previous threat conditions, federal departments and agencies also will consider the following general measures:

Members of the public, in addition to the actions taken for the previous threat conditions, can:



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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
Include in the emergency kit a hefty bottle of strong drinking spirits for use as an anethesthetic.
51 posted on 02/10/2003 7:03:04 PM PST by Quietly
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To: doug from upland
You know, I was pondering what, in retrospect, advice might have been offered to WTC employees. Really nothing, except:

1. Don't go to work.
2. If you must, take parachute.

52 posted on 02/10/2003 7:03:10 PM PST by txhurl
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To: Travis McGee
They forgot to advise Americans to purchase and train with firearms in order to defend their families during periods of chaos.

I'm sure they just assumed we were all already doing that. ;o)

53 posted on 02/10/2003 7:05:12 PM PST by ConservativeLawyer (God Bless our Troops and keep them safe.)
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
bump
54 posted on 02/10/2003 7:06:52 PM PST by foreverfree
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To: ConservativeLawyer
Somehow I doubt it. More likely, there will be "Checkpoints" in our national future.

"Firearms Inspections Stop Terrorism"

55 posted on 02/10/2003 7:07:32 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Howlin
Thanks for the ping !
56 posted on 02/10/2003 7:08:27 PM PST by kassie (God Bless and Protect Our Military)
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
On my way to work I was listening to NPR (our only radio station) and they were saying for all Americans to have enough food and water for 3 days, to have a radio and fresh batteries, and to have on hand DUCT TAPE and some kind of tarp to cover and seal windows. That one caught my attention. Is the gov. expecting nuclear bombs to fall?
57 posted on 02/10/2003 7:12:10 PM PST by DBtoo
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
Great information, all. Thank you.

I spent quite a few hours this past weekend refilling/refreshing my 72-hour kit. I even constructed an additional extension kit in a big plastic tool chest on rollers with some additional comfort items, camping stuff, etc. Gas tank is full, batteries are all checked and charged or new, water supply topped off ...

58 posted on 02/10/2003 7:12:19 PM PST by strela (Magog Brothers Atlantis Carpet Reclaimers)
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To: Travis McGee
I fear you are likely correct.

I must be stupid, because I can't figure out why the liberals think that weapons of mass destruction in the hands of a madman are no threat to the United States or Iraq's neighbors, but ordinary firearms in the hands of law-abiding, responsible citizens are a grave threat.

59 posted on 02/10/2003 7:12:34 PM PST by ConservativeLawyer (God Bless our Troops and keep them safe.)
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To: ConservativeLawyer
Indeed.

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60 posted on 02/10/2003 7:15:20 PM PST by Travis McGee (I have to click off and get back to writing my book.....)
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To: Morrigan
Yup, you're right... be armed, cuz when people panic, they want what you have, thinking they need it to survive! I worked during a few hurricanes, and you wouldn't believe what people do to one another. Come to think of it, I've never even seen reports of the hundreds of National Guardsmen and military, who come out under "martial law," ever on national t.v.
Really, be prepared. I know people think its silly to over react but it is better to be prepared. Even water is considered gold! (Did you catch the part about Agriterrorism?)
61 posted on 02/10/2003 7:22:48 PM PST by Terridan
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
THANK-YOU VERY , VERY MUCH.....PRINTED FOUR COPPIES ALREADY....YOU MAY POSSIBLY BE A LIFE SAVER..
62 posted on 02/10/2003 7:23:57 PM PST by saxxa
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To: cmsgop
A **Bump** ~ in the memory of KOBI.
63 posted on 02/10/2003 7:25:41 PM PST by TwoStep (Ignorance can be cured, stupid is forever!)
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To: DBtoo
to have on hand DUCT TAPE and some kind of tarp to cover and seal windows. That one caught my attention. Is the gov. expecting nuclear bombs to fall?

Duct tape is good stuff, but I doubt it would help much in a nuclear strike.

Sounds more like preparations for chemical or bio warfare.

64 posted on 02/10/2003 7:26:26 PM PST by ConservativeLawyer (God Bless our Troops and keep them safe.)
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To: txflake
You know, I was pondering what, in retrospect, advice might have been offered to WTC employees.

A quarter mile of rope and some rapelling gear stashed on every other floor in the upper half of each tower might have saved hundreds.

65 posted on 02/10/2003 7:29:39 PM PST by Stefan Stackhouse
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To: txflake
Unfortunately, once they had control of the plane and approached the building, not much could be done. I still am in disbelief that some people went back to work like sheep when someone told them that it was okay.
66 posted on 02/10/2003 7:36:21 PM PST by doug from upland (May the Clintons live their remaining days in orange jumpsuits sharing the same 6 x 9 cell.)
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To: All
Usenet has some darned good information available on general survival skills as well. alt.survival and misc.survivalism both contain copious amounts of info.

Another good source is here.

67 posted on 02/10/2003 7:38:44 PM PST by strela (Magog Brothers Atlantis Carpet Reclaimers)
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
>> I think being armed would be a good thing but i dont think its on the list.

I suggest investing in a good supply of locally strategic materials, primarily machined steel, lead, and brass.
68 posted on 02/10/2003 7:42:13 PM PST by FreedomPoster (This space intentionally blank)
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To: strela
Don't forget the frugal squirrel.

http://www.frugalsquirrels.com/
69 posted on 02/10/2003 7:43:05 PM PST by FreedomPoster (This space intentionally blank)
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To: Howlin
Save for a later read.
Thanks Howlin.
70 posted on 02/10/2003 7:51:41 PM PST by RightWingMama
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To: Free the USA; B4Ranch; FITZ; Tancredo Fan; Fish out of Water; seamole; Ajnin; agitator; Tancred; ...
Preparedness info thanks to our Atomic Pal.
71 posted on 02/10/2003 7:57:43 PM PST by madfly
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To: ConservativeLawyer
Thanks. I do not live close enough to be immediately downwind of a high probability target. however the disruption of such an attack wqould be great enough that full emergency preps would probably be necessary. I have a bug out bag for many years now. I had to do it once due to a Chem spill from a train so I realize the options. My bug out bag contains 2000 rounds of ammunition but I would expect to wether the storm here where I live. I have all the goodies necessary to take care of myself and probably my entire neighborhood for a couple of months.

I have plenty of food, water, first aid supplies, gasoline, and other equipment including two way radios, and information people need. The two drug dealers accross the street have a large supply of anti-biotics that they give out to MD's. I know I should refer to them as pharaceutical sales people but they prefer to be called drug dealers.

As far as radiological emergencies we can handle those with judicous use of the basement. Chemical warfare will be far enough away that I am not worried. the number of casualties that could be caused by a chemical attack in the small town I live in is low enough as to not be a problem. In short I am one of those people that will most likely survive and wind up taking care of the injured. Oh well, we shall do our best to help out.

72 posted on 02/10/2003 8:08:06 PM PST by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
I can't believe the white house puts this out so late. How efficient, something to do when the terror alert hits Orange. Why not sooner.

Thanks AP and Thanks to all for the links.

When I think of the eyes and chlorine and other gases that burn them, I know one is told to wet a cloth and breathe through it to prevent buring the membranes and lungs, but if you cover your eyes and you can't see to help others. I would ( and still need to get) a pair of safety glasses that OSHA makes you wear around fumes and contagious diseases.

Also, I save old spray bottles and filled some with water for handwashing, and stretching the water supply. Others filled with bleach water, and dish soap water, watered down shampoo (for body wash instead of bar soap), white vinegar, peroxide and alcohol.

73 posted on 02/10/2003 8:19:00 PM PST by madfly
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
BTTT
74 posted on 02/10/2003 8:25:23 PM PST by ProudEagle
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK; Uncle Bill
Oh brother ... the Y2K scare part deux.

Where is Uncle Bill with the pasting of a barbed-wire compound when you need him ...

75 posted on 02/10/2003 8:33:17 PM PST by _Jim (//NASA has a better safety record than NASCAR\\)
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To: _Jim
Oh brother ... the Y2K scare part deux.

Y2K was a government hoax?

I'd always had my suspicions ... hate to see you, of all people, feel the same.

76 posted on 02/10/2003 8:36:00 PM PST by Askel5
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
Just be careful if something happens god forbid theres gonna be alot of scared crazy people in places where they shouldnt or dont usually go! I think being armed would be a good thing but i dont think its on the list.

At Red alert ... CCW / CHL or not ALL people should be armed. At the very least a rifle in the truck / car should be carried.

77 posted on 02/10/2003 8:40:59 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Chance favors the prepared mind.)
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To: Askel5
Y2K was a government hoax?

It was a hucksters's !*dream*! (and *not* a gov't hoax!) -

- the potential here for 'hucksters' looms large too (sales *are* up at Artmy/Navy stores) ...

78 posted on 02/10/2003 8:41:09 PM PST by _Jim (//NASA has a better safety record than NASCAR\\)
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To: FreedomPoster
Don't forget the Rubicon either
79 posted on 02/10/2003 8:45:57 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Chance favors the prepared mind.)
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To: harpseal
My bug out bag contains 2000 rounds of ammunition

2000 rounds ??? Have you considered a geocache for some of that? If you need more than 400, civilization is over.

80 posted on 02/10/2003 8:47:45 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Chance favors the prepared mind.)
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To: P.O.E.
Would it be useful to have a portable generator you could wheel over to the local gas station, hook up to the fuse box, and get the pumps running?

What the other poster said about crazies running around will be true. Plus, the generator would be stolen from you in an instant (and you might be left in a pool of blood). Besides, the police would confiscate the genrator if they saw you trying to do something like like...

Don't go toward people in an emergency, GET THE HELL OUT OF THERE!

81 posted on 02/10/2003 8:56:15 PM PST by steve86 (O.J. did it.)
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To: _Jim
(and *not* a gov't hoax!)

They fell for it, then?

82 posted on 02/10/2003 9:01:15 PM PST by Askel5
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To: ConservativeLawyer; DBtoo; doug from upland; Howlin
You're supposed to have the duct tape and huge rolls of plastic, to cover your window(s), to make a room in your house "shelter-in-place". Safe from bio and chemical, if I've read it right.

Doug? Howlin?
83 posted on 02/10/2003 9:10:59 PM PST by Bradís Gramma
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To: Askel5
They fell for it, then?

The human race is a gullible lot overall ... (or at least it consists of a large number of gullible individuals) -

- and those without a true grasp of the situation can be talked into panic (and worse) by a media which must constantly work to fill it's airtime. Some of those capable of being talked into panic include those calling themselves our 'law makers' (i.e., those who make up 'our government').

So, in effect, the answer to your question is yes - although this was not the circuitous route by which you expected the answer to your question to be answered in the afirmative ...

84 posted on 02/10/2003 9:21:13 PM PST by _Jim (//NASA has a better safety record than NASCAR\\)
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To: Askel5; 2sheep
A hoax resulting in a nation not taking prepardness seriously? People don't want to be fooled again, and oh, the ribbing.
85 posted on 02/10/2003 9:26:00 PM PST by madfly
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK; *San FRancisco; GodBlessAmerica; Cool Guy; CounterCounterCulture; deeel-me-in; ...
Thanks for the post A_P.

FYI ping!

86 posted on 02/10/2003 9:27:07 PM PST by American Preservative
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To: madfly
... not taking prepardness seriously?

Should not one *always* be prepared? Weren't you a Boy Scout - and didn't part of the motto refer to 'being prepared'.?

My contention/my concern is the 'over-blown nature' a thing like this can take on ...

Be vigilant, report suspicious activity and by all means live your life the way you want to.

87 posted on 02/10/2003 9:31:24 PM PST by _Jim (//NASA has a better safety record than NASCAR\\)
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To: libertylass
Yes, I was one "of those."

Rock on. I still haven't used all my Y2K tp. I laugh at terrorists who threaten the world tp supply.

88 posted on 02/10/2003 9:37:30 PM PST by Semaphore Heathcliffe
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To: Chad Fairbanks
that's why they are called Beta...

LOL!

89 posted on 02/10/2003 9:38:59 PM PST by Semaphore Heathcliffe
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To: deport
"Keep you spam in a safe place...."

Are you series?
90 posted on 02/10/2003 9:47:59 PM PST by BeerSwillr
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To: madfly; ATOMIC_PUNK
thanks for the info
91 posted on 02/10/2003 9:48:00 PM PST by Semaphore Heathcliffe
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
Good post punk. If we had a responsible media in America, they’d forego some of the garbage they spew, and use their immense communicative powers (which they exercise over OUR AIRWAVES) to educate the public about this information.
92 posted on 02/10/2003 9:53:35 PM PST by Barnacle (Not just your everyday marine crustacean of the subclass Cirripedia)
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
I think being armed would be a good thing but i dont think its on the list.

I didn't see any mention of being armed on the list. I think it is wise to be armed at all times, it will be even more important in a situation where all services have been interrupted.

93 posted on 02/10/2003 10:11:05 PM PST by c-b 1
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
"Duck and Cover!"
94 posted on 02/10/2003 10:18:19 PM PST by PatrioticAmerican (Arm Up! They Have!)
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To: ConservativeLawyer; Travis McGee; Utah Girl
Travis if you don't finish that book soon they are gonna say ya copied it out of a newspaper on a Tuesday........:o)

Does anyone have a copy of the old hoarding of food laws ? I seem to remember that almost everything we read here is ......dare I say it......alledgedly illegal ?

Stay Safe !

95 posted on 02/10/2003 10:46:18 PM PST by Squantos (RKBA the original version of Homeland Security .....the one proven method that works !)
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To: Howlin
Thanks for the ping. I'll print this out and store with my "survival kit". Have emailed to my email list. They probably get tired of the stuff I send but can't help it.
96 posted on 02/10/2003 11:48:08 PM PST by ClancyJ
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
Ah, the hell with it - I'm just gonna run out and buy a level 4 biohazard coverup.
97 posted on 02/11/2003 12:00:50 AM PST by 3catsanadog (When anything goes, everything will.)
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
. . . . . oh, and that pistol I've been promising myself for the past couple years.
98 posted on 02/11/2003 12:03:02 AM PST by 3catsanadog (When anything goes, everything will.)
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To: Howlin
Bump for later reading.
99 posted on 02/11/2003 2:15:39 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (Let's Roll)
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To: Centurion2000
Cache's contain more and reloading equipment. I figure with the bug out bag I am equipping myself and three others as needed.
100 posted on 02/11/2003 5:17:02 AM PST by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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