Officials warn: Terror threat is 'significant'

USA Today ^ | 2/11/03 | Mimi Hall and Jack Kelley

[JustPiper]

TACDA JOURNAL OF CIVIL DEFENSE

Thanx for the info, here's the link for Freepers, the greatest bunch of Patriots in the world, "W" is a Freeper too ;)

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Btw Jim do you realise how many lives you'll be saving by finding FR?

[section9]

Your posts over the last year on this subject have consisted of mindless chest-beating dressed up as serious military analysis. Your opinions on this subject are of no interest to me.

My, my, sensitive are we? I was hoping that one might be able to have a serious discussion with you on this subject.

Apparently, attempting to have a discussion with a fanatic is akin to tilting at windmills.

Perhaps you don't want to be exposed over the coming weeks for the paranoid black helicopter type that you actually are? I guess as history passes you by, you'll have to bang away at the keyboard, wiping up the spittle as you confront your inner demons with argumentum ad hominem.

For a long time I've been polite, of course, confronting you with little more than skepticism. Now you've given me the excuse to pound your bogus assumptions, tortured logic, half-baked scenarios, and paranoid conspiracy theories into the ground. I'm going to enjoy doing it.

Of course, any posts I make to you will be akin to casting pearls before swine, but you laid down a challenge, and it must be answered.

Once this war is fought and won, I shall dance a jig on what might pass for your reputation.

Of course, there won't be much left on which to dance that jig, now will there?

I didn't pick this fight, you jerk. However, I suppose it can't be helped.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

[JustPiper]

Another link directly to Tacda's bio/chem resources:

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[The Great Satan]

As I said, your childish posts are of no interest to me. None whatsoever. See ya.

[steve-b]

As to Russia, Bush isn't mad at Putin because Putin is a neutral, with no claim of fidelity to the United States.

As to France and Germany, I suspect that the orders to find every embarassing "MADE IN..." label will be handed down as soon as the ground has been secured.

[section9]

Yes, but you responded, didn't you, you paranoid little git?

Why don't you post some evidence for your half-baked ravings?

Oh, and no links to The Spotlight are allowed.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

[section9]

As to France and Germany, I suspect that the orders to find every embarassing "MADE IN..." label will be handed down as soon as the ground has been secured.

One would hope so. Indeed, one suspects that what the Frogs and Krauts are really scared of is some American paratrooper running across bank transaction records in the bombed-out headquarters of Iraq's Mukhabarat. Saddam has, in all probability, compromised several leading politicians among the Eurotrash.

The Russians really don't care. They simply want a place at the top table at the end of the conflict. A war actually works in their interest, as they know the Americans will see to their interests, other middle eastern regimes will gravitate to Moscow in search of an "honest broker. A new Iraqi regime will buy cheap Russian hardware for their "new" army. It's what they're used to.

In the end, the Russians are going to come out way ahead.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

[Ichneumon]

But I have one question. I assume one has to turn off the Air/heating system into the room. So, if the window and door are sealed, won't the air run out? What's to be done about this? Please don't flame me. May seem silly, but it's a serious question.

I won't flame you -- it's an excellent question.

As others have said, the plan is that you won't need to be in your safe room for an extended period of time -- by the time your air gets low, the majority of the threat will have passed. Chemical weapons disperse quite quickly. Biological weapons can can too, depending on type. The most intense kinds of radiological fallout have half-lives measures in hours or days at the most.

However, if you want to learn about "industrial strength" safe rooms, buy a copy of Pulling Through, by Dean Ing.

The first half of the book is a novel, depicting a family's efforts to survive the fallout from a (relatively) nearby multi-megaton nuclear blast. Given their location and the type of the blast, the fallout would have been guaranteed fatal. But they "pull through" by making a first class safe room, complete with its own air filtering system and geiger counter, out of materials available in any grocery store (yes, really). The story walks the reader through all the steps they have to take, and what they have to deal with, and serves as an excellent primer in survival and safe room construction.

The second half of the book consists of blueprints, templates, and technical details on the situations and construction projects described in the first half.

Hmm, it's been at least a decade since I read my copy, I guess it's time to go pull it off the bookshelf...

[snooter55]

RE post # 5.
With all due respect Mr. Satan, I got $5 that says yer wrong .
Please excuse me.... I MUST go down to the local Home Depot and mock the lemmings leaving with plywood, duct tape & large rolls of plastic......
Snooter

[steve-b]

One would hope so. Indeed, one suspects that what the Frogs and Krauts are really scared of is some American paratrooper running across bank transaction records in the bombed-out headquarters of Iraq's Mukhabarat.

True. The point of my comment is that, IMO, the Axis of Weasels has sufficiently pissed off Dubya that we will be looking for this stuff with a fine-toothed comb, not merely examining what happens to turn up in the normal course of post-invasion intel analysis.

[Ichneumon]

If attacking Iraq means sacrificing lives here at home, including potentially my loved ones or even myself, I think it's inevitable. And acting now will probably SAVE countless lives down the road. Plus, it would mitigate the deterrent value of WMDs, as other counties would see that we're willing to absorb those losses for the greater good of destroying their regimes.

I couldn't agree more. I've been saying almost exactly this same thing for weeks now.

[snooter55]

Oh, almost forgot.... my "Shelter/saferoom-bunker" has been in place 4 months after bill clinton was sworn in as POTUS.
Snooter ;o)

[Ichneumon]

Not allowed firearms in Chicago ;(

Yeah? So?

As the old saying goes, "better to be tried by twelve than carried by six".

[Ichneumon]

09-11-01 What day of the week was it? Tuesday--just like today.

I don't see any indications that Al Qaeda is nearly as hung up on "significant dates/days" as Freepers are...

[section9]

Al-Qaeda is a myth. It is absurd on its face to suppose that al-Qaeda cares more about Saddam Hussein than al-Qaeda. The reality is, we are at war with Saddam Hussein -- he hit us bad on 9/11, and now has the anthrax dagger at our throats -- and al-Qaeda is a convenient proxy bogeyman our leaders use to evade that awful truth. We have been outwitted and out-maneauvered by a Third World thug our leaders told us was "contained" ten years ago, and he can kill millions of us and lay our greatest cities to waste if we attempt to move against him. Bad truth, but it's the truth. Deal with it, everybody.

My God, I just went back and read it over again.

First you state that Al Qaeda is a myth.

Then you assert that the same organization, which you claim to be a myth, cares more about themselves than they do Al Qaeda. Now then, is this organization a myth, or is it not?

What you are claiming is that Al Qaeda is an artificial construct, put together by Saddam to be our undoing. The breathtaking stupidity of such a statement bears reflection.

You also claim that Saddam has a dagger at our throats. Yet we are mobilizing. I ask again (something you couldn't even bring yourself to answer, because you know that to do so would undo your whole fantasy...), why would Bush put himself into a no-win position if Saddam could deter him from the getgo? I know, you didn't think that far ahead, did you?

Of course, I noticed that you left yourself an intellectual fallback position once your house of cards comes tumbling down: you stated earlier that the Kurdish and Shi'a areas could serve as liberated zones, leaving Saddam to rule a rump state.

The sure sign of a man who, all too late, realized that he had neither the law, nor the facts on his side: all that is left for you to do is to pound the table.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

[Ichneumon]

Any method air can use to enter the room from the outside is a possible source of contamination, including floor vents too, and should be all sealed. That includes doors, windows, etc, and sheeting them with plastic and duct taping any place air can come into the room.

Also be aware that hardwood floors leak air like a sieve. There's a quarter inch or so of air space underneath them, and the cracks between the wood slats allow the floor to "breath". If your best saferoom has a traditional hardwood floor, it's best to just carpet the room wall-to-wall with heavy mil plastic sheeting and seal the edges to the surrounding walls with duct tape.

Electrical outlets, light switches, and ceiling-mounted light fixtures are also often overlooked sources of "air leaks".

[Ichneumon]

I'm nervous too. I live 20 miles from the biggest US naval installation in the world, NAS Norfolk.

Look at the bright side -- the terrorists almost invariably attack "soft" civilian targets, and stay far away from attacking anyone who could actually fight back, like a naval base.

[RummyChick]

There is a show from the Twilight Zone where the neighborhood goes beserk over invasion by aliens and they start fighting about supplies and shelter etc.

For some reason, that show keeps running through my head. I laughed at it when I saw it a few years ago but it is coming closer to reality.

[JustPiper]

I just heard it on MSNBC. Chris Whitcomb, former FBI said FEMA is new to BioTerror and they should NOT being telling people to go out and buy plastic & duct tape for their windows. He said it makes smart sense to be prepared as in any tornado, earthquake etc. but do not waste your money and panic.

[okkev68]

By the time we knew we had been attacked with bio weapons then it would be to late to do much. These are all good suggestions for nuclear and chemical, but my understanding of bio weapons is that they would be passed by person to person contact, not some huge cloud of "death".