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Chivalry Linked to Sexist Views of Women
Yahoo! ^ | 2/11/2003 | Jacqueline Stenson

Posted on 02/11/2003 9:27:41 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves

LOS ANGELES (Reuters Health) - Chivalry isn't all it's cracked up to be, suggests new research showing that men who hold doors for women also tend to hold sexist views about them.

"On the surface, you would say these are really polite gentlemen," said study author William Altermatt, an assistant professor of psychology at the University of Michigan in Flint.

But women may not find their underlying beliefs about the opposite sex very considerate, he said.

At a recent meeting of the Society for Personality and Social Psychology, Altermatt reported research showing that men who supported chivalry also generally believed that women are not as competent and powerful as men and that their place is in the home.

In one study, 201 college students (66% male) completed questionnaires about their beliefs on chivalry and attitudes toward women.

Responses revealed a clear association between chivalry and sexist beliefs, a link that is based on stereotypes, Altermatt and colleagues found.

The belief that women are less competent and powerful than men explained both chivalry --that women must be protected and provided for by men--and sexist beliefs that women are not qualified for high-power positions, the researchers concluded.

In a second study, they sought more information about chivalry and female stereotypes from an additional 185 college students (62% male). Participants evaluated three stereotypical subgroups of women and also completed a questionnaire about their views on chivalry.

The participants reporting high support for chivalry gave more favorable ratings to homemakers and less favorable ratings to career women and sexually permissive women than the low-chivalry participants did.

The researchers said these findings extend those of the first study by suggesting that chivalrous men not only endorse the stereotype that women are less competent and powerful than men but also disapprove of women who violate this stereotype--those who are high in competence and power or low in virtue.

While women shared some of the same views as men, there were differences. "Men were more favorable to chivalry than women and they also had more stereotypes of women," Altermatt said.

He describes chivalry as a type of "benevolent sexism." While chivalry may seem nice, he explained, the basis for it nonetheless is that women are in need of help by men.

"It makes men look great, but it's also got this baggage," Altermatt said. "It doesn't always make sense."


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"Sexist Republican Pig! How dare you hold that door for me!!!"
1 posted on 02/11/2003 9:27:41 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves
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To: Mr. Jeeves
This is crap.
2 posted on 02/11/2003 9:28:57 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: Mr. Jeeves
There really is no winning is there?
3 posted on 02/11/2003 9:30:25 AM PST by tcostell
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To: Mr. Jeeves
Oy vey.

Shoot me now...
4 posted on 02/11/2003 9:32:11 AM PST by Mr. Thorne (Where's the global warming?! I'm cold NOW!)
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To: KC_Conspirator
I agree. Why do we feed these people?
5 posted on 02/11/2003 9:32:26 AM PST by boxer
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To: Mr. Jeeves
The fact that there was public money lying around to fund a study like this is depressing.
6 posted on 02/11/2003 9:32:48 AM PST by SoDak
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To: Mr. Jeeves
The participants reporting high support for chivalry gave more favorable ratings to homemakers and less favorable ratings to career women ... suggesting that chivalrous men ... disapprove of women who ... are high in competence

I think this whole thing is stupid. The above "logical" chain of supposition on the part of the researcher really shows that they are pushing an agenda and grasping at straws to do so.

7 posted on 02/11/2003 9:33:52 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: Mr. Jeeves
Radical feminists have protested against having doors held for them for at least thirty years. And now this guy does a study--well funded with tax money, no doubt--to confirm it.

One more instance of a researcher finding what he wanted to find in the first place. Besides, if he had found anything else, he would never get another research grant or promotion.

Politically correct scholars are little better than lemmings.
8 posted on 02/11/2003 9:34:32 AM PST by Cicero
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To: Mr. Jeeves
...disapprove of women ...who are low in virtue.

What?! Dissapprove of somebody's lack of virtue? How unenlightened. Next thing you know, people will start to approve of virtue. That could lead to standards of behavior, which could lead to intact families, which could lead to well-adjusted children, which could lead to a decrease in the need for counseling, which could lead to the unemployment of professors of psychology.

9 posted on 02/11/2003 9:35:15 AM PST by Jeff Chandler ( ; -)
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To: Mr. Jeeves
"The soft chivalry of low expectations"
10 posted on 02/11/2003 9:37:37 AM PST by cicero's_son
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To: Mr. Jeeves
LOS ANGELES (Reuters Health) - Chivalry isn't all it's cracked up to be, suggests new research showing that men who hold doors for women also tend to hold sexist views about them.

Heaven knows I do! I haven't gotten many complaints about it in my time, either.

11 posted on 02/11/2003 9:38:36 AM PST by HitmanLV
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To: Mr. Jeeves; dead; TomServo; Texaggie79; weikel
What do you tell a woman with two black eyes?

Nothing, you already told her twice!

;-)

12 posted on 02/11/2003 9:40:03 AM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: Mr. Jeeves
Destroying the last vestiges of culture and civility, that's what this is all about...
13 posted on 02/11/2003 9:40:29 AM PST by Junior (I stole your tag line)
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To: ClearCase_guy
http://spruce.flint.umich.edu/~altermat/

T. William Altermatt, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor
Department of Psychology
University of Michigan-Flint
411 Murchie Science Building
303 East Kearsley Street
Flint, MI 48502

altermat@umflint.edu
(810) 762-3468


14 posted on 02/11/2003 9:42:03 AM PST by Jeff Chandler ( ; -)
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To: HitmanNY
Yup, I hold doors for them too, and the elderly, and anyone who is close to the door so that it does not slam in their face. where in the survey do I fit.

Women, I belive with all my heart that they are different in important ways from men. Oh yes, and some are pretty, some are smart, some are...
15 posted on 02/11/2003 9:44:46 AM PST by KC_for_Freedom
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To: Mr. Jeeves
Fine. I'm a sexist. So what?
16 posted on 02/11/2003 9:46:28 AM PST by B-Chan (Ad Astra Per Ardua)
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To: KC_for_Freedom
I remember being in NJ on business and when I would hold the doors (like I always do), the women would give me the evil eye, like I was insulting them. Not that I needed another reason to hate it up north.
17 posted on 02/11/2003 9:46:48 AM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: KC_for_Freedom
Women, I belive with all my heart that they are different in important ways from men.

Viva La Difference!

18 posted on 02/11/2003 9:47:50 AM PST by Jeff Chandler ( ; -)
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To: Mr. Jeeves
The belief that women are less competent and powerful than men explained both chivalry --that women must be protected and provided for by men--and sexist beliefs that women are not qualified for high-power positions, the researchers concluded.

There is so much to dissect here - I am really angry about this crap. These sick sexually confused people should not get a PENNY of public money. The feminist agenda is ruining families and millions of lives. I know. I was in Berkely at one of the first "women's liberation" meeetings in 68 or 69.

Feminazis are angry, lesbian, hateful bitches who want to destroy God's natural order. It is very very sad and dangerous that this kind of horse s**t is being crammed down kids' throats in school and media. Girls nowadays - and boys - are indoctrinated with this psychotic nonsense. "Feminism" means: Women have the right to be (and should be) sluts, they should be lesbians, and they must hate men. They must have abortions, and the result is millions of bastard children. And men can have sex any old time with any woman and feel no repsonsibility. After all, why keep a cow at home when you can buy milk in the market? I really hate this c*p.

No wonder kids are totally confused and can't form relationships. They don't know what a normal marriage looks like.

Why can't they see that men and women have different psychologies and different roles? Answer: they want to detroy society since they are envious of the Creator.

19 posted on 02/11/2003 9:49:21 AM PST by First Amendment
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To: Sir Gawain
I remember being in NJ on business and when I would hold the doors (like I always do), the women would give me the evil eye, like I was insulting them.

I have never in my life gotten a bad reaction from a woman for holding a door, or for any other act of chivalry. (Being ruggedly handsome has its advantages!)

20 posted on 02/11/2003 9:50:41 AM PST by Jeff Chandler ( ; -)
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To: KC_Conspirator
This is crap.

Exactly. A conclusion in search of confirming evidence.

21 posted on 02/11/2003 9:51:07 AM PST by elbucko (REPEAL THE NINETEENTH AMENDMENT!)
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To: pram

T. William Altermatt

Welcome to my personal page. Here you will find assorted quotes, images, and links to other websites that I find interesting. I'm always interested in a good conversation, so feel free to email me with your reaction to anything on this page.

One theme you will see throughout this page is the mind-body problem, the question of how the experiencing mind (consciousness) and the physical body are related. I find this question endlessly fascinating, both philosophically and psychologically. It is a goal of mine to someday develop a course on consciousness and the mind-body problem.


22 posted on 02/11/2003 10:01:03 AM PST by Jeff Chandler ( ; -)
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To: Mr. Jeeves
What's amusing is how many women in the workplace who expect discriminatory hiring practices, set-asides and quotas in their favor are still shocked and floored when men don't treat them with courtesy and deference anymore.
23 posted on 02/11/2003 10:01:16 AM PST by Middle Man
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To: Jeff Chandler
I have never in my life gotten a bad reaction from a woman for holding a door, or for any other act of chivalry. (Being ruggedly handsome has its advantages!)

LOL! To be honest, I haven't either - even here in San Francisco, the "Heart of Darkness". But if I was 5'4" and 300 pounds with warts all over my face, I expect I would have.

We can therefore derive a simple rule: A handsome man who behaves chivalrously toward a woman is charming, confident and sexy; an ugly man who behaves chivalrously toward a woman is a creepy, vulgar sexist.

24 posted on 02/11/2003 10:01:56 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves
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To: Mr. Jeeves
A handsome man who behaves chivalrously toward a woman is charming, confident and sexy; an ugly man who behaves chivalrously toward a woman is a creepy, vulgar sexist.

LOL! I wonder how THAT fits into the good perfesser's theories?

25 posted on 02/11/2003 10:04:09 AM PST by Jeff Chandler ( ; -)
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To: Mr. Jeeves
Those morons just don't get it. Women and children are the most precious thing in the world. Once one loses that crucial bit of common sense, or worse, if one never even recognizes that little factoid, it's a long slide into absurdity.
26 posted on 02/11/2003 10:05:15 AM PST by Freedom4US
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To: pram
"Girls nowadays - and boys - are indoctrinated with this psychotic nonsense."

Being a parent, I've found a real sign of the times in cartoon programming. Nowadays the decision makers, doers, problem solvers and rescuers are always the girl characters. The male characters, whether boys or grown men, are portrayed as tongue-tied, snivelling cowards at best and scheming, incompetent louts at worst.

Hollywood seems to think, "If we bombard the public with enough images of females doing traditionally male things, we can CHANGE HUMAN NATURE!"

27 posted on 02/11/2003 10:12:12 AM PST by Middle Man
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To: Middle Man
...cartoon programming...The male characters, whether boys or grown men, are portrayed as tongue-tied, snivelling cowards at best and scheming, incompetent louts at worst.

There is an huge homosexual presence in the creative arts, and cartooning and cartoon script writing are no exception. It would be fascinating to explore the correlation between one's attitude towards traditional sex roles, particularly one's own, and one's sexual orientation. Perhaps some intrepid professor of psychology would want to conduct a study on the subject. Taxpayer-subsidized, of course.

28 posted on 02/11/2003 10:20:57 AM PST by Jeff Chandler ( ; -)
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To: Sir Gawain
I'm raised and living in NJ, and you can hold doors for me and reach things on the top shelf and lift heavy things for me and I will smile and thank you sincerely. We will both enjoy the little interlude of gallantry and the world will be a little better for it.

And yes, I try to do the same services for those in need, and give up my seat to the elderly, pregnant, encumbered, and teach my children the same. Grace does not always come naturally...

My only dilemma: trying to figure out when an elderly gentleman would rather hold the door, or have it held...

Mrs VS

29 posted on 02/11/2003 10:22:41 AM PST by VeritatisSplendor
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To: VeritatisSplendor
My only dilemma: trying to figure out when an elderly gentleman would rather hold the door, or have it held...

Get back with me in 20 years and I'll let you know.

30 posted on 02/11/2003 10:24:53 AM PST by Jeff Chandler ( ; -)
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To: tcostell
There really is no winning is there?

Among reasonable people there is. The people who write and believe this tripe are beyond all hope.

31 posted on 02/11/2003 10:38:24 AM PST by twigs
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To: Mr. Jeeves
No, I ought to slam the doors in their faces. I'm sure they will appreciate that!!!

Who the hell is this Altermatt guy, anyway?

32 posted on 02/11/2003 10:42:04 AM PST by Dan from Michigan ("Yippee Kai Aye......")
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There is an huge homosexual presence in the creative arts

My talented artistic daughter is going to college next fall and will major in Fine Arts. She went to the college of her choice last week and spent the night and visited classes in a program set up for students who have been accepted. Her host--and her nest of friends--were lesbians. My daughter who attends a Christian HS had never been exposed to this and had one clown making an obvious play for her. We are not shocked exactly, but certainly disgusted. We might make arragenments for her to live off-campus, as we have learned that this college is known to be a den of lesbians.

33 posted on 02/11/2003 10:42:43 AM PST by twigs
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To: Jeff Chandler
Bwahahahhaahhaahahhahahah! A Pencilneck, figures.
34 posted on 02/11/2003 10:42:43 AM PST by Dan from Michigan ("Yippee Kai Aye......")
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To: Mr. Jeeves
I, a woman, have found that men are just as nice to me when I hold the door open for them as they are when they see me coming and hold the door open to me. I LOVE IT when they do!

I will chase down the first feminazi who gripes about it, too. THEY will get an earful, to say the very least!

35 posted on 02/11/2003 10:43:38 AM PST by Alkhin (He thinks I need keeping in order.)
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To: Jeff Chandler
"There is an huge homosexual presence in the creative arts, and cartooning and cartoon script writing are no exception."

Hmmmm. In light of that, the all-out attack on the whole concept of the nuclear family may be in retaliation for the ridicule and teasing by the other kids in the schoolyard lo those many years ago.

I wasn't that big a sports fan as a kid, but I don't wish to nuke the Super Bowl as a result!

36 posted on 02/11/2003 10:45:07 AM PST by Middle Man
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To: Jeff Chandler
Jeff, Thanks for the photo, worth at least a thousand words. Notice the slight smirk. And PHD too! What a joke! These people have no clue what real people (especially real men) think. He must rationalize that since his life revolves around academia, that polling only male college students is required, justified and fair. Also it's a lot easier than going out into the real world and doing real research. Safer this way too. Don't ever have to leave campus. Don't have to personally meet or speak to any objectionable un-PC types. Don't have to include "them" in "my" results at all. And this way it pays just as much, too. (Smirk)!

These academic parasites all need to be cut off from the public teet and forced out into the real working world. Let their education begin!
37 posted on 02/11/2003 10:49:34 AM PST by 1ofmanyfree
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To: JasonC
Come quickly and bring a candle. The forces of chivalry have been reduced to doormen.
38 posted on 02/11/2003 10:49:48 AM PST by MARTIAL MONK
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To: Mr. Jeeves
"The participants reporting high support for chivalry gave more favorable ratings to homemakers and less favorable ratings to career women and sexually permissive women than the low-chivalry participants did."

So, he wants us to prefer sluts and women who don't want to raise families??

These psychologists should be kept in padded cells somewhere - maybe in Iraq.

39 posted on 02/11/2003 10:51:13 AM PST by ZULU (You)
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To: Middle Man
...the all-out attack on the whole concept of the nuclear family may be in retaliation for the ridicule and teasing by the other kids in the schoolyard lo those many years ago.

Funny you should write that. I had a friend in grammar school who was picked on A LOT. He contacted me via e-mail a few years ago, after decades of lost contact. He waited for months to share with me his "secret", which I had already guessed by his West Hollywood address. Poor guy was dying of cancer, and was reconnecting with people from his past before he passed away. May God rest his soul.

40 posted on 02/11/2003 10:53:06 AM PST by Jeff Chandler ( ; -)
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To: pram
They must have abortions, and the result is millions of bastard children.

Um.....huh? Abortions don't result in children, last I checked.

41 posted on 02/11/2003 10:54:33 AM PST by Pahuanui (When a foolish man hears about the Tao, he laughs out loud)
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To: ClearCase_guy
I guess the only "competent" women are career women. I think more highly of women that choose to raise their children ( that is, continuing civilization, which desperately needs it) than those that chose to push papers in a tall building.
42 posted on 02/11/2003 11:00:40 AM PST by stands2reason (This is not a tag line.)
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To: Dan from Michigan
I open the car door (and close it) for my wife, I have four sons- 3 of whom know that they should ALWAYS hold the door for a chick (er- I mean female), give up their seat for adults of any age, and not wear their hat at the table.

The fourth one will learn when he is able to talk.
43 posted on 02/11/2003 11:05:42 AM PST by ThinkingMan (Maybe someday I can ride in one of those black helicopters!)
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To: pram
they should be lesbians, and they must hate men. They must have abortions, and the result is millions of bastard children.

LOL! I trust that this is an intentional parody of their logically incoherent sputterings.

44 posted on 02/11/2003 11:06:51 AM PST by steve-b
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To: Sir Gawain
another reason to hate it up north.

My job took me around the country, and I decided quite naturally to retire to the South. For the reason you mention.

45 posted on 02/11/2003 11:08:17 AM PST by KC_for_Freedom
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To: ThinkingMan
... I have four sons- 3 of whom know that they should ALWAYS hold the door for a chick (er- I mean female)...

Yeah, I always open doors for the babes.

 

... not wear their hat at the table.

When I forgot to remove my hat at the table, my Dad would ask me if I were Jewish.

46 posted on 02/11/2003 11:20:00 AM PST by Jeff Chandler ( ; -)
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To: stands2reason
I think more highly of women that choose to raise their children

Why, that's mighty chivalrous of you. Isn't nice to know that (in the eyes of some academics), I just insulted you? Chivalry = sexism, so labeling someone as chivalrous must be something like Hate Speech. Oh, it's a strange, strange world.

47 posted on 02/11/2003 11:22:37 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: SoDak
The fact that there was public money lying around to fund a study like this is depressing.

No kidding. How many crates of 5.56mm NATO Ball could have been purchased with that money? That would be a helluvalot better way to spend the taxpayers bucks than this "study".

48 posted on 02/11/2003 11:23:37 AM PST by ArrogantBustard
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To: Mr. Jeeves
Me, I hold the doors anyhow, because I durn well feel like it. The women it pleases are worth pleasing, the women it pisses off are worth pissing off. The opinions of idiots such as our psychologist friend I don't care about, because they're not worth caring about.
49 posted on 02/11/2003 11:28:27 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Middle Man
Being a parent,

Watch your keyboard there, son. You're infected with the same feminazi drivel as the cartoons!

You ain't no generic, androgynous, nondescript "parent". You're a Father, an indispensable part of a complete family. Don't ever forget it.

(Of course, if despite your FRname, your'e female, then you're a Mother. Same deal.)

50 posted on 02/11/2003 11:30:25 AM PST by ArrogantBustard
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