France's history of military failure

World Net Daily ^ | 2.12.2003 | G Kilber

[CHICAGOFARMER]

Americans swamp French Embassy 'It never stopped, it was crazy,' said diplomat after 1,000 calls

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France's history of military failure ---------------------------------------------------------

The military history of France:

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Gallic Wars – Lost. In a war whose ending foreshadows the next 2,000 years of French history, France is conquered by, of all things, an Italian.

Hundred Years War – Mostly lost, saved at last by a female schizophrenic who inadvertently creates The First Rule of French Warfare: "France's armies are victorious only when not led by a Frenchman."

Italian Wars – Lost. France becomes the first and only country to ever lose two wars when fighting Italians. Wars of Religion – France goes 0-5-4 against the Huguenots

Thirty Years War – France is technically not a participant, but manages to get invaded anyway. Claims a tie on the basis that eventually the other participants started ignoring her.

War of Devolution – Tied. Frenchmen take to wearing red flowerpots as chapeaux.

The Dutch War – Tied.

War of the Augsburg League / King William's War / French and Indian War – Lost, but claimed as a tie. Three ties in a row induces deluded Francophiles the world over to label the period as the height of French military power.

War of the Spanish Succession – Lost. The war also gave the French their first taste of a Marlborough, which they have loved every since.

American Revolution – In a move that will become quite familiar to future Americans, France claims a win even though the English colonists saw far more action. This is later known as "de Gaulle Syndrome," and leads to the Second Rule of French Warfare: "France only wins when America does most of the fighting."

French Revolution – Won, primarily due the fact that the opponent was also French.

The Napoleonic Wars – Lost. Temporary victories (remember the First Rule!) due to leadership of a Corsican, who ended up being no match for a British footwear designer.

The Franco-Prussian War – Lost. Germany first plays the role of drunk frat boy to France's ugly girl home alone on a Saturday night.

World War I – Tied and on the way to losing, France is saved by the United States. Thousands of French women find out what it's like to not only sleep with a winner, but one who doesn't call her "Fraulein." Sadly, widespread use of condoms by American forces forestalls any improvement in the French bloodline.

World War II – Lost. Conquered French liberated by the United States and Britain just as they finish learning the Horst Wessel song.

War in Indochina – Lost. French forces plead sickness, take to bed with the Dien Bien Flu.

Algerian Rebellion – Lost. Loss marks the first defeat of a Western army by a Non-Turkic Muslim force since the Crusades, and produces the First Rule of Muslim Warfare: "We can always beat the French." This rule is identical to the First Rules of the Italians, Russians, Germans, English, Dutch, Spanish, Vietnamese and Esquimaux.

War on Terrorism – France, keeping in mind its recent history, surrenders to Germans and Muslims just to be safe. Attempts to surrender to Vietnamese ambassador fail after he takes refuge in a McDonald's.

The question for any country silly enough to count on the French should not be "Can we count on the French?" but, rather, "How long until France collapses?"

G. Kilber

[CHICAGOFARMER]

Who can supply the phone fax and email for the embassy in DC, and in Grovement officals in France.

It is time for a good old flooding of emails and faxs and phone calls from WWII vetrans and extended families.

My Uncle who is still alive, landed at Normandy, fought to Berlin.

Ten thousand Americans are buried in France. They need to be returned home.

Who can help

[exnavy]

Great post!

[RoughDobermann]

France saved OUR COUNTRY and George Washington's ass in the Revolutionary War. If not for Lafayette and Co., we'd all be speaking English today...the QUEEN'S English.

Arguable, but probably an accurate statement. But, do you not think that they've been repaid by us many, many times over?

[RamingtonStall]

So we repaid the French by bailing their asses out in WWI and WWII, not to mention picking up after them in VietNam.

There is a limit to how many times we have to repay these ungrateful people.

It is now time for the US to get out of NATO and form an ALLIANCE with the WILLING Countries who are with us for the 21st Century as opposed to the 18th or the 20th!

RamS

[CHICAGOFARMER]

the French do two things very well.

They make good wine.

They surrender quickly.

[cicero's_son]

The French are selfish, destructive, vain, and shortsighted, but they no more owe us their loyalty than we owe them ours.

After all, many French noblemen gave their lives and service in our fight for Independence, and were it not for their support, we may never have prevailed against the King.

[gurkha]

It leaves out France getting whipped by Mexico in the 1860's. I believe France is the only country ever to lose a war with Mexico.

[CHICAGOFARMER]

What your are missing from this battle of money.

France, Russia and China, have 40-60 billion dollars of contracts ove the next ten years. They don't want this war to reset the tables.

Germany and France has sold most of the oil equipment to the Iraq in the last ten years.

Do you now see clearly?

[CHICAGOFARMER]

Principle, character, integrity, would be nice. Loyality is with your dog.

[RoughDobermann]

After all, many French noblemen gave their lives and service in our fight for Independence, and were it not for their support, we may never have prevailed against the King.

Granted. However, do you want to compare the number of French who've died on our soil to the number of Americans who've died on French soil?

Also, let's not forget; the French had an ulterior motive when they helped us out during the Revolutionary War. Did we have an ulterior motive when we bailed them out during WWI and WWII?

[RamingtonStall]

The only Loyalty they owe is to honor the Treaty that they would have us honor if they were being attacked. Once the French and the Germans and the Belch decide to stop honoring the NATO treaty, they have told us to not bail their asses out again. I suggest we take them at their word.

Concerning Turkey, I recommend that the USA take this opportunity to make new Treaties and alliances for the 21st Century.

NATO is DEAD. As pronounced so certainly by our former Allies, the French.

Joy! ([: ^ )


RamS

[Seajay]

Les Frogs are good at very low level conflict :

Did they not recently free American missionaries being held hostage by revolutionary Islamics in Ivory Coast?

Also - two points about the froggers in WW DUECE :
They were the first to fire on us in anger in the ETO (Oran).
Most of them were facists and really welcomed the Nazis (Vichy Government). "Liberating" them was not really a favor ...

[MeekMom]

Outstanding Post!!

Absolutely Outstanding!

Sent to family and friends!

[cicero's_son]

You evidently misunderstand me.

I am not suggesting that France is beyond reproach, or even that they have a leg to stand on in this conflict.

Quite the opposite, I am suggesting that our criticism of them would be better grounded in realpolitik than in histrionic appeals to what they "owe" us.

[ServesURight]

LOL

[CHICAGOFARMER]

A few good deeds by a few will not excuse the mass stupidity of the general population (people).

The French govt is basing decisions on OIL. OIL. Oil and money form the oil means votes to keep their a$$es in power.

Do you now see the difference between our mission and French self serving motives??

[cicero's_son]

Ok. So it's a matter of balancing the lives sacrificed on each side, then? And once a suitable number of French have died as "payment" for past services rendered, are they then absolved from all future cooperation?

Absurd. And worse, these histrionics discredit our altogether reasonable and rational basis for expecting French support in the war on terror.

[cicero's_son]

NATO is DEAD

Perhaps. And it may be a good thing.

[RoughDobermann]

Umm, you're the one who brought up Frenchmen dying for us. Is it not reasonable to remind people that we Americans have sacrificed many thousands of our young men to protect the French?

By the way, I don't care if the French support us in our upcoming war with Iraq. Considering their combat record, why should we?

[AdA$tra]

France saved OUR COUNTRY and George Washington's ass in the Revolutionary War.

Barely....And only to protect their own selfish needs. If we are keeping score, they owe us FAR more than we owe them. I actually am related to, and know other people that put it all on the line for them. Why don't you move to France with Alec Baldwin if you love them so much. France is a full on ally to Iraq at this point. EVERYTHING they have done proves it beyond a doubt. The "in the name of peace" argument no longer flies since they are denying even basic defensive surveilance to the Turks.

[SMEDLEYBUTLER]

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[cicero's_son]

By the way, I don't care if the French support us in our upcoming war with Iraq

Nor do I.

And it's unbecoming for us to behave like a bunch of jilted schoolgirls just because the mighty French army won't be at our side in Iraq.

[exnavy]

I know that I am not unique in that regard, I've heard others talk of tracing back to the Mayflower.

[exnavy]

sorry that last was meant for a different thread!

[RoughDobermann]

Well, just as the French are rude, obnoxious and undeservedly arrogant, we Americans tend to be somewhat emotional when we feel that we've been jilted, particularly when the jilter happens to owe their very existence to our repeated sacrifices...

[cicero's_son]

Americans tend to be somewhat emotional when we feel that we've been jilted, particularly when the jilter happens to owe their very existence to our repeated sacrifices...

Not all of us feel that way.

In fact, I'd prefer to think that most of us--when we can momentarily escape the feminized squealing of our corporate media--are still capable of rational, measured consideration of matters of grave importance.

As to whether France owes its "very existence" to our repeated sacrifices, let me suggest that you bone up on the history of WWI and WWII, paying particular attention to President Wilson's role in the former. History is not so simple as American public schools and media outlets like to pretend.

[RoughDobermann]

Answer this question for me: Would France have been libertated in both WWI and WWII without our assistance?

[cicero's_son]

France "liberated" in WWI? In all sincerity, I'd encourage you to read the history of that conflict. It's conveniently swept under the rug in most historybooks these days, but WWII (and hence, the modern world) cannot be understood except as the uninterrputed and inevitable product of WWI.

[RoughDobermann]

Did German forces occupy a significant portion of France during WWI?

[SevenDaysInMay]

We should make contigency plans for removing our heroes from burial in France et al. before the Eurabians begin to desecrate our war dead.

[cicero's_son]

The short answer is, it depends on what you consider to be France. ;-)

The Austrians actually sued for a negotiated settlement, with the endorsement of the Pope, but President Wilson refused to allow anything but an "unconditional surrender" modeled on Appomattox. The French (along with the Germans and the Austrians) paid for the American President's intransigence with millions more unnecessary casualties and the wholesale destruction of what used to be called Christendom.

Less than 20 years later, an embittered young house painter named Adolph Hitler stepped into the vacuum left by the Habsburgs and flooded Europe with the blood of millions more innocents on all sides.

The point of all this being, again, that history is never so simple as our primitive modern textbooks suggest.

Do we "owe" the French eternal loyalty for their invaluable aid at Yorktown? Of course not. No more than the French "owe" us eternal loyalty for our role in WWII.

[CHICAGOFARMER]

We should make contigency plans for removing our heroes from burial in France et al. before the Eurabians begin to desecrate our war dead.


Sounds like you have a mission that would gather support as you move forward.

[RoughDobermann]

Well, I suppose that we simply disagree. Yes, I do believe that we owed France a debt due to their assistance during the Revolutionary War. However, I believe that we repaid that debt during our assistance during World War One. With that in mind, I believe that they should be somewhat compliant to our wishes after taking into consideration our helping them regain their country during World War Two. Just my opinion, mind you.

[cicero's_son]

Well, I'm obviously not going to persuade you, but I'd ask you to consider whether the French (and the rest of Western Europe) owed a similar debt to Josef Stalin. After all, he inflicted massive casualties on the Reich's eastern frontier, and no amount of American assistance would have availed France had the Soviets failed to withstand the German invasion.

But this could go on forever...If you are interested in reading more on WWI, I'd highly recommend a book called Leftism Revisited by the Austrian conservative Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn. Our own William F. Buckley once praised him as "the world's most interesting man."

[finnman69]

nice trolling...you signed up at FR for this?

[SunTzuWu]

After all, many French noblemen gave their lives and service in our fight for Independence, and were it not for their support, we may never have prevailed against the King.

Actually the French King supported the colonies against the British because he couldn't beat them with his own army. The French people showed him what they thought of that a few years later when they separated his head from the rest of his body.