France's history of military failure

World Net Daily ^ | 2.12.2003 | G Kilber

[RoughDobermann]

Umm, you're the one who brought up Frenchmen dying for us. Is it not reasonable to remind people that we Americans have sacrificed many thousands of our young men to protect the French?

By the way, I don't care if the French support us in our upcoming war with Iraq. Considering their combat record, why should we?

[AdA$tra]

France saved OUR COUNTRY and George Washington's ass in the Revolutionary War.

Barely....And only to protect their own selfish needs. If we are keeping score, they owe us FAR more than we owe them. I actually am related to, and know other people that put it all on the line for them. Why don't you move to France with Alec Baldwin if you love them so much. France is a full on ally to Iraq at this point. EVERYTHING they have done proves it beyond a doubt. The "in the name of peace" argument no longer flies since they are denying even basic defensive surveilance to the Turks.

[SMEDLEYBUTLER]

France's history of military failure

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[cicero's_son]

By the way, I don't care if the French support us in our upcoming war with Iraq

Nor do I.

And it's unbecoming for us to behave like a bunch of jilted schoolgirls just because the mighty French army won't be at our side in Iraq.

[exnavy]

I know that I am not unique in that regard, I've heard others talk of tracing back to the Mayflower.

[exnavy]

sorry that last was meant for a different thread!

[RoughDobermann]

Well, just as the French are rude, obnoxious and undeservedly arrogant, we Americans tend to be somewhat emotional when we feel that we've been jilted, particularly when the jilter happens to owe their very existence to our repeated sacrifices...

[cicero's_son]

Americans tend to be somewhat emotional when we feel that we've been jilted, particularly when the jilter happens to owe their very existence to our repeated sacrifices...

Not all of us feel that way.

In fact, I'd prefer to think that most of us--when we can momentarily escape the feminized squealing of our corporate media--are still capable of rational, measured consideration of matters of grave importance.

As to whether France owes its "very existence" to our repeated sacrifices, let me suggest that you bone up on the history of WWI and WWII, paying particular attention to President Wilson's role in the former. History is not so simple as American public schools and media outlets like to pretend.

[RoughDobermann]

Answer this question for me: Would France have been libertated in both WWI and WWII without our assistance?

[cicero's_son]

France "liberated" in WWI? In all sincerity, I'd encourage you to read the history of that conflict. It's conveniently swept under the rug in most historybooks these days, but WWII (and hence, the modern world) cannot be understood except as the uninterrputed and inevitable product of WWI.

[RoughDobermann]

Did German forces occupy a significant portion of France during WWI?

[SevenDaysInMay]

We should make contigency plans for removing our heroes from burial in France et al. before the Eurabians begin to desecrate our war dead.

[cicero's_son]

The short answer is, it depends on what you consider to be France. ;-)

The Austrians actually sued for a negotiated settlement, with the endorsement of the Pope, but President Wilson refused to allow anything but an "unconditional surrender" modeled on Appomattox. The French (along with the Germans and the Austrians) paid for the American President's intransigence with millions more unnecessary casualties and the wholesale destruction of what used to be called Christendom.

Less than 20 years later, an embittered young house painter named Adolph Hitler stepped into the vacuum left by the Habsburgs and flooded Europe with the blood of millions more innocents on all sides.

The point of all this being, again, that history is never so simple as our primitive modern textbooks suggest.

Do we "owe" the French eternal loyalty for their invaluable aid at Yorktown? Of course not. No more than the French "owe" us eternal loyalty for our role in WWII.

[CHICAGOFARMER]

We should make contigency plans for removing our heroes from burial in France et al. before the Eurabians begin to desecrate our war dead.


Sounds like you have a mission that would gather support as you move forward.

[RoughDobermann]

Well, I suppose that we simply disagree. Yes, I do believe that we owed France a debt due to their assistance during the Revolutionary War. However, I believe that we repaid that debt during our assistance during World War One. With that in mind, I believe that they should be somewhat compliant to our wishes after taking into consideration our helping them regain their country during World War Two. Just my opinion, mind you.

[cicero's_son]

Well, I'm obviously not going to persuade you, but I'd ask you to consider whether the French (and the rest of Western Europe) owed a similar debt to Josef Stalin. After all, he inflicted massive casualties on the Reich's eastern frontier, and no amount of American assistance would have availed France had the Soviets failed to withstand the German invasion.

But this could go on forever...If you are interested in reading more on WWI, I'd highly recommend a book called Leftism Revisited by the Austrian conservative Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn. Our own William F. Buckley once praised him as "the world's most interesting man."

[finnman69]

nice trolling...you signed up at FR for this?

[SunTzuWu]

After all, many French noblemen gave their lives and service in our fight for Independence, and were it not for their support, we may never have prevailed against the King.

Actually the French King supported the colonies against the British because he couldn't beat them with his own army. The French people showed him what they thought of that a few years later when they separated his head from the rest of his body.