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Customs officer fatally shoots motorist at border
Arizona Republic ^ | 13 Feb 2003 | AP

Posted on 02/13/2003 11:06:02 AM PST by JackelopeBreeder

Edited on 05/07/2004 5:21:08 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

LUKEVILLE - A U.S. Customs inspector fatally shot a motorist Thursday who had apparently threatened him during an attempted inspection at a border crossing, a spokesman said.

The driver of the sports utility vehicle was crossing from Mexico into Arizona when he aroused suspicions that he might be smuggling something, said Customs spokesman Roger Maier.


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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: banglist; border; customs; shooting
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Things that make you go hmmm...
1 posted on 02/13/2003 11:06:02 AM PST by JackelopeBreeder
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To: madfly; HiJinx; Marine Inspector
Ping!
2 posted on 02/13/2003 11:07:28 AM PST by JackelopeBreeder (I didn't do it. Nobody saw me. You can't prove it. The sheep are lying.)
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To: JackelopeBreeder
ho hum those SUV drivers again
3 posted on 02/13/2003 11:08:27 AM PST by spokeshave
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To: JackelopeBreeder
I don't care if they start shooting people at random when they cross the border if it will discourage Criminal Infiltration
4 posted on 02/13/2003 11:12:20 AM PST by and the horse you rode in on (Republican's for Sharpton)
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To: JackelopeBreeder
Note to self---In times like these never behave in a threating manner to an armed man wearing a badge.
5 posted on 02/13/2003 11:13:15 AM PST by hexpoppy
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To: JackelopeBreeder
I bet it turns out to be an American citizen who asked why they were rousting him when there was a hundred wetbacks sneaking under the fence, so they shot him for being uppity.

6 posted on 02/13/2003 11:18:57 AM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: hexpoppy
Second note to self: If you treat others as you would want to be treated, your odds of survival increase greatly. This rule has been in effect for a few thousand years.

If you can get shot at a border for being cocky and rude, that's a good thing. Especially at that New York/New Jersey border area.

Be polite. It just might save your life.

7 posted on 02/13/2003 11:20:50 AM PST by blackdog (Fresh American Lamb.....Buy Some Today)
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To: blackdog
Heinlein's First Law: Never throw bags of sh*t at an armed man.

Heinlein's Second Law: Never stand next to anyone who is throwing bags of sh*t at an armed man.

8 posted on 02/13/2003 11:22:45 AM PST by BlueLancer (Der Elite Møøsenspåånkængruppen ØberKømmååndø (EMØØK))
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To: JackelopeBreeder
Keep us posted pls, Jack.

Contraband?

9 posted on 02/13/2003 11:22:51 AM PST by Happy2BMe (It's All About You - It's All About Me - It's All About Being Free!)
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To: Happy2BMe
This one is definitely odd -- no real detail at all.
10 posted on 02/13/2003 11:25:45 AM PST by JackelopeBreeder (I didn't do it. Nobody saw me. You can't prove it. The sheep are lying.)
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To: JackelopeBreeder
Not on Drudge of Fox yet - -
11 posted on 02/13/2003 11:27:58 AM PST by Happy2BMe (It's All About You - It's All About Me - It's All About Being Free!)
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To: blackdog
If you can get shot at a border for being cocky and rude, that's a good thing.

Please tell me you're joking.

12 posted on 02/13/2003 11:31:48 AM PST by freeeee
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To: JackelopeBreeder; *bang_list
Any article that has something in it that goes bang, deserves to be on the *Bang_List.
13 posted on 02/13/2003 11:35:48 AM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: JackelopeBreeder
Ha, this article puts the whacko's here in a quandary. Do they knee-jerk a spew about jack-booted thugs, or are they forced to acknowledge that the US actually did something to enforce the border?
14 posted on 02/13/2003 11:38:43 AM PST by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Take it a step further. What if the driver was an illegal alien trying to smuggle in pot. Which way do you go then?
15 posted on 02/13/2003 11:41:12 AM PST by CWOJackson
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To: Rifleman
"I am a putz ..."
(hanging my head in shame)
17 posted on 02/13/2003 11:43:27 AM PST by BlueLancer (Der Elite Møøsenspåånkængruppen ØberKømmååndø (EMØØK))
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To: CWOJackson
With a dog in the car...
18 posted on 02/13/2003 11:44:36 AM PST by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Rifleman
(They do say that memory is the second thing to go...)
19 posted on 02/13/2003 11:44:42 AM PST by BlueLancer (Der Elite Møøsenspåånkængruppen ØberKømmååndø (EMØØK))
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To: CWOJackson
Ha, this article puts the whacko's here in a quandary. Do they knee-jerk a spew about jack-booted thugs, or are they forced to acknowledge that the US actually did something to enforce the border?

Take it a step further. What if the driver was an illegal alien trying to smuggle in pot. Which way do you go then?

Take it a step further. Now make the person in question Al Qaeda. And ask why we leave so much of the border wide open. BTW, regarding the pot, the dude would have been bringing it into this country, an action which is well within the Constitutional regulator powers of the federal government to regulate. Unfortunately, they're too busy prosecuting a guy growing weed for medical marijuana use that doesn't cross state lines, instead of doing their actual Constitutional duties of guarding the border.

20 posted on 02/13/2003 11:45:43 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: JackelopeBreeder
We got stopped in the desert 100 miles east of San Diego.
I thanked the border patrol for doing its job.
21 posted on 02/13/2003 11:47:29 AM PST by Zathras
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To: JackelopeBreeder
I am surprised the Customs Officer did plant guns, drugs and money on the SUV driver to make him look guilty of at least something.
22 posted on 02/13/2003 11:49:27 AM PST by Station 51
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To: hexpoppy; blackdog
Note to self---In times like these never behave in a threating manner to an armed man wearing a badge.

Second note to self: If you treat others as you would want to be treated, your odds of survival increase greatly. This rule has been in effect for a few thousand years.

I've always loved the old adage: An armed society is a polite society.

23 posted on 02/13/2003 11:50:19 AM PST by FourPeas
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To: JackelopeBreeder

Nothing to see here, move along.

24 posted on 02/13/2003 11:53:38 AM PST by husky ed (FOX NEWS ALERT "General Francisco Franco is still dead" THIS HAS BEEN A FOX NEWS ALERT)
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To: CWOJackson
"What if the driver was an illegal alien trying to smuggle in pot. Which way do you go then?<"

The sounds of heads exploding across the nation as a mental dilemna develops. I wonder if this thread will garner the same fervor as the WoD, Border Control, and anti-cop threads.

This is even more confusing than that Aronde/Tiki Barber Visa commercial with the girl saying: "It looks like him, but it could be him."

25 posted on 02/13/2003 11:56:32 AM PST by RabidBartender (Hi!)
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Ha, this article puts the whacko's here in a quandary. Do they knee-jerk a spew about jack-booted thugs, or are they forced to acknowledge that the US actually did something to enforce the border?

Yeah some of us want to know what happened. The jackboots have no such quandry. To you the uppity civilians got what they deserved.

That being said this officer is not kicking in doors playing like a SEAL which he could have never been. He was a front line law enforcement officer who deserves the benefit of a doubt.

Jackboots, who dress up in black and wear face masks kicking in people's doors in the middle of the night, well I don't shed any tears for them. If they get off scot free when they shoot a young boy laying on the floor in the back well I just can't feel sorry for them when they wake some guy up in the middle of the night and he caps them.

REAL police wear REAL police uniforms, drive REAL police cars, and are respected by me and many others. Unfortunately SWAT teams replete with their military wannabee types who dress up like Nazi stormtroopers complete with face masks and a complete lack of accountability are ruining the moral authority of the real police.

26 posted on 02/13/2003 11:57:36 AM PST by Nov3 (Going to war without France is like going hunting without an accordion!)
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To: dirtboy
Darn, another potential libertarian voter bites the dust is what you're saying.
27 posted on 02/13/2003 11:58:03 AM PST by CWOJackson
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To: RabidBartender
Is there any doubt?
28 posted on 02/13/2003 11:59:29 AM PST by CWOJackson
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To: Diddle E. Squat; Poohbah
Ha, this article puts the whacko's here in a quandary. Do they knee-jerk a spew about jack-booted thugs, or are they forced to acknowledge that the US actually did something to enforce the border?

I'll have to laugh my *ss off if it was another sui juris spouting lunatic with a "Free White Man" passport, pocket Constitution, and several pamphlets on the lost 13th amendment in his car.

29 posted on 02/13/2003 12:02:03 PM PST by Chancellor Palpatine (those who unilaterally beat their swords into plowshares wind up plowing for those who don't)
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To: Happy2BMe
A bit more from the Arizona Daily Star...still no real detail.

The Lukeville Port of Entry is expected to be closed well into Thursday afternoon as officials investigate a fatal shooting by a U.S. Customs Service inspector.

The incident began about 9 a.m., when a red Chevrolet Suburban with Arizona plates pulled up to an inspection booth at the U.S.-Mexico border crossing at Lukeville, about 180 miles west of Tucson, said customs spokesman Roger Maier.

The inspector became suspicious the vehicle was involved in drug smuggling, and the driver "impeded" the inspector's investigation, Maier said.

The confrontation escalated to a point that the inspector felt in danger for his life and fired a single shot at the driver, Maier said.

He could not say whether the threat was caused by the vehicle moving or some other action.

The vehicle traveled north about 85 yards, where it went off the road and the driver died. "The guy did stop initially, and then apparently he did try to leave," Maier said.

The Pima County Sheriff's Department is investigating the shooting.

Officials hadn’t determined as of late Thursday morning whether there was anything inside the vehicle.

30 posted on 02/13/2003 12:06:28 PM PST by JackelopeBreeder (Meddle not in the affairs of dragons. For you are crunchy and good with ketchup.)
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To: JackelopeBreeder
In an effort to counter the pathetic ramblings (of the usual suspects) on this thread, and because of the lack of details in the article, I pose the following questions:

Article: "The Customs inspector tried to inspect the vehicle but the driver interfered."

How did the man interfere? Did he use violence, and if so, what was the level of violence? Was it a push, a punch, or something else? Or was he merely uncooperative?

Atricle: "The driver then threatened the inspector, prompting the officer to fire a single shot, striking the man, Maier said."

How did he man threaten the inspector? Was his threat purely verbal? ("I'll kick your @@@!") Or was it a physical threat , such as reaching for a weapon?

Was the man armed? What weapons, if any were in his possession? Was he in control of his vehicle, attempting to use it as a weapon? If so, where was the inspector relative to the vehicle? Was he in its path?

Did this man, at any time pose a threat to the life or limb of the inspector or other people present?

Only when these questions, and many others, are answered will we be able to intelligently comment on this incident.

31 posted on 02/13/2003 12:12:59 PM PST by freeeee
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To: JackelopeBreeder
Could be real trouble for the Customs Agent. If the deceased is a Mexican national, then Presidente Fox or his authorized drug lord on duty should have first been notified, no matter what the degree of threat to the US Customs Agent. We can't have US authorities treating Mexican criminals like they were criminals.
32 posted on 02/13/2003 12:15:13 PM PST by Tacis
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To: JackelopeBreeder
Preciate it, Jack.

Use of deadly force is authorized if at the discretion of the officer either his or other innocent lives are placed in danger.

Since we don't know if there were any immediate witnesses, and presuming this officer was seasoned and there NEVER had been such an incident at this location before, it is safe to say the officer used appropriate force.

Other questions:

Was the dirver a U.S. citizen?

Was the van stolen?

33 posted on 02/13/2003 12:18:47 PM PST by Happy2BMe (It's All About You - It's All About Me - It's All About Being Free!)
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To: JackelopeBreeder; All
All conjecture aside, it IS a valid statement to say travelling to Mexico right now is DEFINITELY NOT SAFE.

What will this do to Mexican tourism?

34 posted on 02/13/2003 12:22:37 PM PST by Happy2BMe (It's All About You - It's All About Me - It's All About Being Free!)
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To: BlueLancer
Heinlein's Third Law: "Never Act So As To Be Mistaken For a Bag of $&!t"....
35 posted on 02/13/2003 12:36:11 PM PST by tracer (/b>)
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To: JackelopeBreeder
Just called Lukeville and spoke with a friend of mine.

Not much info at this time.

Apparently, the dead suspect was a prior Port Runner, which is a felony.

My friend, in his opinion, thinks the shooting was clean, but none of the INS were eyewitnesses.
36 posted on 02/13/2003 12:38:14 PM PST by Marine Inspector
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com
How much you wanna bet?
37 posted on 02/13/2003 12:49:06 PM PST by cksharks
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To: BlueLancer
Well...I WISH it was the first thing to go.....:-))
38 posted on 02/13/2003 12:52:43 PM PST by Rifleman
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To: freeeee
I have to agree, freeeee.
39 posted on 02/13/2003 12:57:06 PM PST by FreeTally
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To: Marine Inspector
Apparently, the dead suspect was a prior Port Runner, which is a felony.

What's a "Port Runner", and how could that possibly come into play here?

40 posted on 02/13/2003 12:57:54 PM PST by FreeTally
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To: DLfromthedesert
Here's the info on the shooting you heard about...
41 posted on 02/13/2003 1:18:06 PM PST by HiJinx (Port Runner, eh?)
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To: BlueLancer
Actually, they're Niven's First and Second Laws, not Heinlein's.
42 posted on 02/13/2003 1:32:24 PM PST by Poohbah (Beware the fury of a patient man -- John Dryden)
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To: FreeTally
It's like a blockade runner...someone who blows through the Port of Entry without stopping.

I 'spect that explains how it matters...
43 posted on 02/13/2003 1:42:50 PM PST by HiJinx
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To: and the horse you rode in on
"I don't care if they start shooting people at random when they cross the border if it will discourage Criminal Infiltration"

Wow...you are obviously not a compassionate conservative.


44 posted on 02/13/2003 2:28:50 PM PST by Once-Ler (I vote Dubya)
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To: Poohbah
That's it ... kick a guy when he's down ...

see #16,17,19,and 38

I'm such a putz ...

45 posted on 02/13/2003 3:12:39 PM PST by BlueLancer (Der Elite Møøsenspåånkængruppen ØberKømmååndø (EMØØK))
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To: BlueLancer
Chill. Niven and Heinlein were buddies.
46 posted on 02/13/2003 3:13:31 PM PST by Poohbah (Beware the fury of a patient man -- John Dryden)
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To: BlueLancer
That's it ... kick a guy when he's down ... see #16,17,19,and 38

I'm such a putz ...

Hey, don't you mean Niven's? ;-) Hb

47 posted on 02/13/2003 3:30:14 PM PST by Hoverbug (whadda ya mean, "we don't get parachutes"!?!)
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To: Nov3
REAL police wear REAL police uniforms, drive REAL police cars, and are respected by me and many others. Unfortunately SWAT teams replete with their military wannabee types who dress up like Nazi stormtroopers complete with face masks and a complete lack of accountability are ruining the moral authority of the real police.

Absolutely right. I told my son, who is in the Police Academy now, that I am proud of him, but that if he ever becomes a SWAT member or an undercover cop he will no longer be welcome in this house.

48 posted on 02/13/2003 3:34:17 PM PST by and the horse you rode in on
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To: FreeTally
What's a "Port Runner", and how could that possibly come into play here?

A "Port Runner" is an individual that has entered the US at a Port of Entry and speed through to avoid being inspected.

It is a felony and a great risk to the Immigration and Customs Inspectors, as the subject usually attempts to run us over.

I had a guy take off will I had my arm in his window. Damn near ripped it off. I've also had them run over my feet.

I can only speculate, but I would bet the subject attempted to hit the CI with his vehicle.

49 posted on 02/13/2003 3:50:55 PM PST by Marine Inspector
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To: Diddle E. Squat
With a dog in the car...

Yes, it's a distraction and may get you past the inspection.

50 posted on 02/13/2003 3:53:27 PM PST by Marine Inspector
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