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5 arrested at gay sex site
Phila. Daily News ^ | Thu, Feb. 13, 2003 | CATHERINE LUCEY

Posted on 02/14/2003 6:21:55 AM PST by NativeSon

Wild, anonymous, male sex romps took place frequently in the sixth-floor men's room at the Center City Strawbridge's store, police said.

Police arrested five men yesterday, and another half dozen last month, in the bathroom, which is listed as a primo sex spot on a graphic Web site catering to gay men.

The men's room also was featured in Philadelphia magazine last month as "one of the classiest spots in town to find love with a perfect stranger."

All face charges of prostitution or lewd behavior, said Lt. Charles Green. None was a Strawbridge's employees.

Strawbridge officials were not available to comment last night.

Green said Strawbridge's, on Market near 9th, reported the problem to police in early January after a father and son walked into the bathroom around Christmas and saw two men having sex.

According to posts on the gay Web site, the bathroom has been popular for months. As many as 11 men could be crowded into the room, they said.

"I've been here when the stalls were half full and three guys were standing outside the occupied stalls with their pants down (or off completely!)," one writer said.

Another said: "I've been there when four or five guys are all going at it at the same time."

The bathroom is located in the restaurant, at the far end of the long pink dining room, with white linen tablecloths, crystal chandeliers and oil paintings.

The restroom appeared pretty slow last night.

The Web site also suggests other public bathrooms for the sexually voracious, including one in the Mellon Building on Market near 8th; the bathroom near the food court at the Gallery, on Market between 7th and 11th; and the basement restroom in the Mellon Bank Building at Market Street near 18th.

Green said they were investigating other locations, but would not reveal where they were.


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To: f.Christian
Yup, ol JJ was some kinda creep for darn sure.
From what I have seen and read he started out in his youth as a good person. Somewhere along the way he sure went awry. I guess that goes to show what herion and cocaine can do for ya.
51 posted on 02/14/2003 10:07:53 AM PST by asneditor (A government that is big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take it all away)
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To: asneditor
I would see where you were coming from if so many other Libertarians hadn't posted such similar things, just not EXACTLY the same. As far as Christianity is concerned. All kinds of people call themselves Christians. Those are the people I usually debate. When I see a post about sex or drugs I just automatically thing of the Libertarians I've read on the FR who want total liberty regarding all vices. Things like legalizing all drugs and prostitution, almost anything, as long as it is victimless.

A surprising number of Libertarians also call themselves Christians though seldom the Mensas.

52 posted on 02/14/2003 10:09:55 AM PST by biblewonk
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To: FeliciaCat
Everyone knows the aroma of urinal cakes is quite an aphrodisaic.
53 posted on 02/14/2003 10:16:02 AM PST by GSWarrior
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To: NativeSon
It isn't just gay men - us straight guys do this too, right? I mean, I hang around women's rooms with my pants down to my ankles all the time.

I just can't figure out why everyone laughs...

54 posted on 02/14/2003 10:16:59 AM PST by Billthedrill (Just call me Prisoner Number 74993425)
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To: biblewonk
Well, thats why you shouldnt paint with such a broad brush.

Now with the religion part out of the way I will also tell you I too am for legalization of drugs. Why? Im sure that is your first question. Because, the only person being hurt by drugs is the person taking them and that is their choice. So you will come back by saying no, thats not true, drug dealers kill each other off all the time. and I say yes that is very true but if they took the money out of the trade through legalization the criminal element would be gone with no need for drug wars.

Now before I am labeled a heathen again I would like to let you know I am a deacon in my church (Central Christian Church)and I do drug counseling. There is NO REDEEMING VALUE to drugs and the good lord knows we would be better off without them but unfortunately thats not the case.
We have fought and fought against drugs through laws and law enforcement and it has gotten worse. It's time to try a different approach.
55 posted on 02/14/2003 10:21:08 AM PST by asneditor (A government that is big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take it all away)
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
You can also check your state and town and see what restrooms to avoid.
57 posted on 02/14/2003 10:25:00 AM PST by Hillary's Lovely Legs (Happy people live longer. I plan on living forever)
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To: yendu bwam
Great. Now you have to worry about sending your son into a public restroom.
58 posted on 02/14/2003 10:26:30 AM PST by stands2reason
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To: asneditor
Now with the religion part out of the way I will also tell you I too am for legalization of drugs. Why? Im sure that is your first question. Because, the only person being hurt by drugs is the person taking them and that is their choice. So you will come back by saying no, thats not true, drug dealers kill each other off all the time. and I say yes that is very true but if they took the money out of the trade through legalization the criminal element would be gone with no need for drug wars.

Religion out of the way?

Drug addiction hurts the individual and everyone in contact with that person especially spouse parents and kids. Drug addiction is a huge drain on the economy apart from the money spent to try and fight the sources. The bible speaks about the fall of people. Paul said he would not eat meat again if it caused his brother to fall. Where is that spirit in the Libertarian "Christian"?

Now before I am labeled a heathen again I would like to let you know I am a deacon in my church (Central Christian Church)and I do drug counseling.

Interesting. It is like a unitarian church? Are you a female? Central Christian Church could be like some of those liberal gay churches for all I know. There are so many things out there passing off as Christianity it's just sad. Even the Methodist church has completely left the bible and become a discrace. I'm not assuming the worst of you but I'm still really struggling with the idea of being a Libertarian and a Christian.

There is NO REDEEMING VALUE to drugs and the good lord knows we would be better off without them but unfortunately thats not the case. We have fought and fought against drugs through laws and law enforcement and it has gotten worse. It's time to try a different approach.

This position makes no sense. The fight could be fought a lot better but the idea of something being so horrible that we should just give up and maybe it will get better, well, that's why I ask if you are female.

59 posted on 02/14/2003 10:30:27 AM PST by biblewonk
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To: NativeSon
Damn. Homosexuals don't bother me in the least, except for when this kind of thing goes on. What is it with picklesniffers and public restrooms, rest stops, and certain public parks?

They've really got to start policing their own community.

60 posted on 02/14/2003 10:33:34 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: stands2reason
Great. Now you have to worry about sending your son into a public restroom.

It's no joke. I brought my sons into a public restroom on the NY Thruway, and had to back out fast. This is a sure indicator of the decline of morality in our nation. It's an abuse of my rights and these people should be arrested and punished.

61 posted on 02/14/2003 10:34:45 AM PST by yendu bwam
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
I tried, but I couldn't get myself past the first page.
62 posted on 02/14/2003 10:36:28 AM PST by stands2reason
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To: asneditor
Hate that verse, doncha?
63 posted on 02/14/2003 10:38:45 AM PST by stands2reason
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To: stands2reason
I didn't realize how gross the site had gotten. I apologize for the graphics, but I did research on my area, and my friend's health club is on there, along with several mall and college restrooms. I need to start warning some of my friends.

Matter of fact, 2 restrooms in city offices were also highly rated!!!
64 posted on 02/14/2003 10:39:00 AM PST by Hillary's Lovely Legs (Happy people live longer. I plan on living forever)
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To: biblewonk
I guess noothing is immoral until the government makes it illegal...do you think fornication should be made illegal? It hurts people, too. If not, then by your logic, you must be for it...
65 posted on 02/14/2003 10:42:50 AM PST by stands2reason
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To: asneditor
Forgive my last post. I meant it towards biblewonk.
66 posted on 02/14/2003 10:43:50 AM PST by stands2reason
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To: biblewonk
I'm not assuming the worst of you but I'm still really struggling with the idea of being a Libertarian and a Christian.

This may help. God isn't government.

67 posted on 02/14/2003 10:46:12 AM PST by stands2reason
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To: stands2reason
I guess noothing is immoral until the government makes it illegal...do you think fornication should be made illegal? It hurts people, too. If not, then by your logic, you must be for it...

I wish this made more sense, then I could respond to it. Why did the government make prostitution illegal in the first place? How do countries that are legalizing it feel about the bible today?

68 posted on 02/14/2003 10:46:44 AM PST by biblewonk
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To: stands2reason
This may help. God isn't government.

It doesn't. Are you another one of those "Libertarian Christians"?

69 posted on 02/14/2003 10:47:53 AM PST by biblewonk
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To: f.Christian
"JJ was a drug addict -- homosexual too ! He would use rape for punishment !"

is that true?..where did you ever hear or read that?

70 posted on 02/14/2003 10:54:08 AM PST by cherry
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To: FeliciaCat
what is it with gay men and public bathrooms???

I think it is that they are attempting to redefine how the rest of society views what is "normal" behavior thus enabling them to advance their agenda. I believe that their agenda is to advance homosexual behavior via means such as making pedophilia seem normal. The younger the recruit, the better. If the son that walked in with his father can become inured to this crap overtime, it will help make it acceptable to people other than hollywood, soccer mommies, and the left in general.

71 posted on 02/14/2003 10:55:31 AM PST by RushLake
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To: new cruelty
Elton John lyrics? You're evil.
72 posted on 02/14/2003 10:57:41 AM PST by RichInOC (...Was George Michael in there singing "if you wanna do it, do it right, do it with me..."?)
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
Oh my goodness, that is quite a opening page! Gee, most sites wait until you are well in before showing such graphic pics! Those boys' mothers must be very proud of their modelling careers ;-)
73 posted on 02/14/2003 11:03:16 AM PST by habs4ever
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To: NativeSon
Big difference between Mayor Street and Mayor Rendell. Rendell would have just ignored this, maybe even made some joke about it at some homosexual group banquet.
74 posted on 02/14/2003 11:05:50 AM PST by bvw
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To: RichInOC
LOL, I'm in an Elton sort of mood today I guess...

Goodbye Experiment 273

75 posted on 02/14/2003 11:09:09 AM PST by new cruelty
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To: cherry
It was very well known -- possibly in the movie even.

I read a frightening account in a Christian publication of an early account of an encounter with the young jj. When he was just starting out in Indianapolis in the 60's very successfully in an inner city church another local minister made a visit with him. During their meeting jj explained how sheoples need a father figure to lead them -- he heard enough and wanted to leave and jj asked if they could pray together 1st .. ... .. before he knew it he was kneeling on the floor and the room filled with his cronies and his brain // soul was being sucked out of him. He had to recite the Lord's prayer to maintain his composure -- -- -- scary // evil !
76 posted on 02/14/2003 11:13:56 AM PST by f.Christian (( Orcs of the world : : : Take note and beware. ))
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To: NativeSon
You are quite right. Strawbridges has the right to get this stopped. But some people here post as if busting pickle parks is more important than busting burglars, muggers, car theives, etc. It isn't, and until cops with as big a budget as the Philly PD figure out how to use their resources effectively, having them chase after whatever somebody thinks is icky, is counterproductive.
77 posted on 02/14/2003 12:25:38 PM PST by eno_
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To: biblewonk
I'm neither Christian nor libertarian.
78 posted on 02/14/2003 12:35:09 PM PST by stands2reason
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To: biblewonk
I'll repeat it slower for you. Do...you...think...fornication...should...be...illegal? Why or Why not?
79 posted on 02/14/2003 12:36:53 PM PST by stands2reason
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To: eno_
But some people here post as if busting pickle parks is more important than busting burglars, muggers, car theives, etc.

Bulls#!t.

80 posted on 02/14/2003 12:39:45 PM PST by stands2reason
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To: yendu bwam
I brought my sons into a public restroom on the NY Thruway, and had to back out fast.

Very sad.
(Also "backing out" was definitely the proper course of action.)

81 posted on 02/14/2003 12:47:25 PM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: stands2reason
Public bathrooms .. .. .. come on -- -- -- whatta YOU think ?
82 posted on 02/14/2003 12:57:37 PM PST by f.Christian (( Orcs of the world : : : Take note and beware. ))
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To: stands2reason
I'll repeat it slower for you. Do...you...think...fornication...should...be...illegal? Why or Why not?

Nooooooooo...That's too general a charge and Isreal, which had a right to punish it showed itself not worthy to do so therefore how much less a heathen government like ours. Prostitution is much less general a sexual sin. I also think porn is prostitution and should also be illegal but the cat's out of the bag there.

83 posted on 02/14/2003 12:59:43 PM PST by biblewonk
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To: eno_
It isn't, and until cops with as big a budget as the Philly PD figure out how to use their resources effectively, having them chase after whatever somebody thinks is icky, is counterproductive.

"Icky" isn't the problem breaking the law and then publishing it is. And this goes back to my statement about Philly trying to improve itself with tourism and business and these illegal antics undermine that. Yes B&E's are a problem but here you have perps committing crimes on provate property and then drawing you a map and telling everyone where they will do it again- what do they expect would happen?

I don't care about the g@y part too much- except that this is good ammo for the "we're like everyone else" line- it's the illegal and lewd acts treated as normal/acceptable.

84 posted on 02/14/2003 1:08:02 PM PST by NativeSon (Nothing says "Love" like a new gun!)
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To: Rustheman
It's Mickey Gilly.
It's Johnnie Lee. It was his first gold. record
85 posted on 02/14/2003 1:10:33 PM PST by mollynme
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To: biblewonk
There you go again with assumptions. Assuming gets you know where. As I should have know you are more of a blow hard than anything else. If you would do your reasearch you would find that Resident Reagan belonged the the Christian Church as a young man. So I guess that makes him a liberal woman.
Let me help you to understand. First off Im no liberal and not a female either as much as you might like that to be the case. Also for FYI The Christian Church is also known as The Desciples of Christ.
Until you can control your assumptions and ridiculous accusations and start an argument based on fact and reason please don't bother responsing.
86 posted on 02/14/2003 2:08:36 PM PST by asneditor (A government that is big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take it all away)
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To: f.Christian
Immoral AND illegal, and rightly so.
87 posted on 02/14/2003 4:11:32 PM PST by stands2reason
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To: AUgrad
WE HAVE A WINNER !!
Snooter ;o)
88 posted on 02/14/2003 7:54:15 PM PST by snooter55 (I regret often that I have spoken; seldom that I have been silent)
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To: biblewonk
If libertarians are conservatives I must be something else.

Yep, you are a puritan.

89 posted on 02/14/2003 7:59:52 PM PST by Dinsdale
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To: asneditor
I am a proud Libertarian and I do not know of any other libertarian who would approve of what these homo's are doing.

How would you "not approve" unless you were judging what you were not approving?

And libertarians are not conservatives. Honest, savvy libertarians will readily admit it.

90 posted on 02/14/2003 8:00:00 PM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: Dinsdale
If he's a puritan, you're a moral reprobate.
91 posted on 02/14/2003 8:00:46 PM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: Kevin Curry
You don't know me...Puritan.

Libertarian's are the most constitutionally conservative people there are. Conserverative in the broader sense (wanting things to stay the same), proudly no.

92 posted on 02/14/2003 8:06:23 PM PST by Dinsdale
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To: snooter55
has HUGE ears and we haven't heard from him for some time now.

Bing Crosby

93 posted on 02/14/2003 8:08:16 PM PST by Temple Owl
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To: NativeSon
I worked at Bloomingdale's in Roosevelt Field. NBC had a hidden camera watching the gay men go in and out. One day a gay man picked the wrong day, wrong stall to mess with. He was looking over the top of a stall, watching a ten year old boy pee. Then he tried to get into the stall to coax the boy to give him a h-job. The boy ran out and told his father (a NYPD detective) who were it not for security, would have put a cap in that fag's head. Sad. After that, they had to set up a permanent security guard detail in the men's room.
94 posted on 02/14/2003 8:08:47 PM PST by cyborg
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To: asneditor
Now with the religion part out of the way I will also tell you I too am for legalization of drugs. Why? Im sure that is your first question. Because, the only person being hurt by drugs is the person taking them and that is their choice.

I posted again and I'm still making assumptions about someone who feels this way.

95 posted on 02/17/2003 5:44:46 AM PST by biblewonk
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