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Mark Steyn: Marching for terror
The Telegraph (U.K.) ^ | 02/15/03 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 02/14/2003 4:18:45 PM PST by Pokey78

Hello? Anybody home? After my colleague Armando Iannucci's stirring call to non-arms on Thursday, I expect you're out on the march. But, on the off-chance you're reading this over breakfast while waiting for the paint on your placard to dry, I'd ask you to reconsider.

I understand you and Armando and the distressingly large number of my Daily Telegraph and Spectator confreres, plus spouses and offspring, who'll be joining you on this march, are in favour of "peace". Armando, countering the hawks' argument that Saddam is stalling and "this can't go on for ever", put it this way:
"Wait a minute. This may sound stupid, but why can't it go on for ever? What precisely are the disadvantages of this form of stalemate going on for a very, very long time?"

Why not ask an Iraqi what the disadvantages of stalemate are? As far as Saddam's subjects are concerned, the "peace" movement means peace for you and Tony Benn and Sheryl Crow and Susan Sarandon, and a prison for them. I was in Montreal last week, which has the largest Iraqi population in North America. I've yet to meet one who isn't waiting eagerly for the day the liberation of their homeland begins. Then they can go back to the surviving members of their families and not have to live in a country where it's winter 10 months of the year.

They're pining for war not because they like the Americans, or the Zionists, or me, but because they understand that, as long as there's Saddam, there's no Iraq. Saddam has killed far more people than Slobo, Iraq has been far more comprehensively brutalised than Kosovo. Marching for "peace" means marching for, oh, another 15 years of Saddamite torture and murder, followed by a couple more decades under the even more psychotic son, until the family runs out of victims to terrorise, gets bored and retires to the Riviera.

It's easy to say it's up to the Iraqi people to get rid of Saddam. That theory worked well in the days when all the peasants had to do was storm the palace and dodge the muskets. It doesn't work against a man who can poison an entire village from the air. Marching for "peace" means marching against the Iraqi people: it's the equivalent of turning them away as, to their shame, many free nations in the 1930s turned away refugees from Germany.

But perhaps, as is the case with many marchers, your priority isn't the Iraqi people living in bondage under an Iraqi dictator, but the Palestinian people living in bondage under a Zionist dictator: fine, whatever, you're entitled to your point of view. But you ought to know that, as long as Saddam sits in Baghdad, there will never be a Palestinian state. Never. Chance of the "Palestinian Authority" becoming a fully fledged People's Republic: zero.

Saddam serves as principal sugar daddy to the relicts of suicide bombers and neither Israel nor America is going to agree to a Palestinian state where the prime business opportunity is strapping on the old explosives belt and telling Baghdad where to mail the cheque. We're talking cold political reality here: keeping Saddam in power may stymie the crazy Texans, but also those downtrodden Palestinians. If you're serious about them, you might want to think that one through.

Thirdly, "Stop the War" is a slogan that showed up too late. You can't stop it now; it's already started. Even if the ricin factories and the NBC suits in the mosque and the live grenades at Gatwick haven't persuaded you, you can tell something's up from the uncertain tone of the Government's once-confident voice: they've run up against something they don't know how to spin.

Do you really think not invading Iraq will make all the bad stuff go away? Do you honestly believe the fig-leaf argument that, because Saddam is a nominally secular Ba'athist socialist, the Islamists would have nothing to do with him? He recently donated enough blood to have a full-length copy of the Koran written in it: that makes him less of a "secular" leader than Charles Kennedy, don't you think? You don't have to believe that if you don't want to. But your argument depends on giving both Saddam and al-Qa'eda the benefit of far more doubts than their prior behaviour warrants. Your line is basically: we can't really be sure he'd sell suitcase nukes to terrorists until one goes off in Birmingham. Then you and Armando will say, oh, OK, maybe there's a link after all - unless, of course, you're among the dead.

I don't claim to understand the depth of opposition to Tony Blair. It must be frustrating to switch on the television every night and see Blair planning to save the world when he can't even do anything about the crummy hospitals and lousy trains and rampant crime. But sending a million Valentines to a monster to spite your own hard-hearted master is not the answer.

Today's demo is good for Saddam, but bad for the Iraqi people, and the Palestinian people, and the British people. One day, not long from now, when Iraq is free, they will despise those who marched to keep them in hell.


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1 posted on 02/14/2003 4:18:45 PM PST by Pokey78
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To: Howlin; riley1992; Miss Marple; deport; Dane; sinkspur; steve; kattracks; JohnHuang2; ...

2 posted on 02/14/2003 4:19:56 PM PST by Pokey78
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To: Pokey78
Wow!
3 posted on 02/14/2003 4:24:42 PM PST by jwalburg
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To: Pokey78
One day, not long from now, when Iraq is free, they will despise those who marched to keep them in hell.

Damn, he's good...

4 posted on 02/14/2003 4:25:48 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Pokey78
Steyn brings up some good points.

I am a member of a dance group that is filled with liberals. The other night I had a lot of fun when they couldn't answer any question that I asked them. Questions like, "Why hasn't war been declared?"

The peace marchers are actually increasing the possibility of war being waged. Saddam would be singing a different tune at the tables if he knew that the US had the full support of its citizens. So, siding against Pres. Bush is siding with Saddam.

Good Going, Mark
5 posted on 02/14/2003 4:27:01 PM PST by gortklattu
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To: Pokey78
Saddam serves as principal sugar daddy to the relicts of suicide bombers

This is the one and only reason the "Palestineans" support Saddam:

to cash in on $25,000 for strapping Semtex to their children's bodies (that's equivalent to about $250,000 USD).

One good reason to kill Saddam - among many other good reasons - is to end the psychiatric sickness that has engripped "Palestine."

6 posted on 02/14/2003 4:27:42 PM PST by angkor
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To: Pokey78
Again, fantastic!
7 posted on 02/14/2003 4:30:56 PM PST by Mr. Buzzcut
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To: Pokey78
you can tell something's up from the uncertain tone of the Government's once-confident voice: they've run up against something they don't know how to spin.

That's a bit cryptic. Wonder what he's getting at.

8 posted on 02/14/2003 4:33:06 PM PST by NewYorker
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To: Pokey78
BTTT
9 posted on 02/14/2003 4:33:23 PM PST by tet68 (Jeremiah 51:24 ..."..Before your eyes I will repay Babylon for all the wrong they have done in Zion")
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To: Pokey78
One day, not long from now, when Iraq is free, they will despise those who marched to keep them in hell.

Bullet between the eyes bump.

10 posted on 02/14/2003 4:35:38 PM PST by Madame Dufarge
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To: Pokey78
they will despise those who marched to keep them in hell.

Bravo, Mr. Steyn.

I have been blessed with all of the opportunities that come with living in the United States of America. I have never known the atrocities that the people of Iraq face day in, day out.

And I despise those who will continue to march and who will continue to speak out (in their glorious ignorance).

Stay safe.

J.Q.

11 posted on 02/14/2003 4:37:29 PM PST by jqpublic
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To: Pokey78
One day, not long from now, when Iraq is free, they will despise those who marched to keep them in hell.

True...the French are going to be despised for a long, long time.

12 posted on 02/14/2003 4:43:07 PM PST by what's up
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To: marron
This may sound stupid, but why can't it go on for ever? What precisely are the disadvantages of this form of stalemate going on for a very, very long time?"

Sound familiar?
OPEC, Russia and Iraq

"The ideal outcome for Russia is exactly the same as that for Saudi Arabia and OPEC, i.e. maintenance of the status quo and the sanctions regime on Iraqi oil. Thus, Russia's opposition to a U.S. invasion of Iraq is completely rational."

Maybe there's a fear that without sanctions to protest against, they won't have anything to protest against anymore. So continue the sanctions!

13 posted on 02/14/2003 4:54:03 PM PST by Shermy
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To: Pokey78
I sure hope it happens soon. Today, after the UN fiasco, I was near a television and I heard someone say (that is, I was in the other room doing something, so I don't know who said this) that the whole event had been unreal: except for Spain and Britain, the UN acted as if the US were a rogue state and Saddam was a model leader.
14 posted on 02/14/2003 4:57:23 PM PST by livius
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To: Pokey78; MadIvan
Good article, guys.............FRegards
15 posted on 02/14/2003 5:11:30 PM PST by gonzo (I will give up my gun when they pry my cold ........The hell with that - I'm reloading.......)
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To: Pokey78
A London-based Iraqi condemns the marchers on this thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/843470/posts?page=11#11

16 posted on 02/14/2003 6:28:11 PM PST by aculeus
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To: scholar; Bullish; linear
Ping
17 posted on 02/14/2003 6:37:57 PM PST by knighthawk
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To: Pokey78
Steyn does it again.
18 posted on 02/14/2003 6:45:00 PM PST by knighthawk
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To: livius
"the UN acted as if the US were a rogue state and Saddam was a model leader."


The animosity of those who are jealous of our 'standard of living' knows no boundaries. Today was just a bit too transparent when applause erupted in the Security Council Chamber. Before today such displays only occured at sectional UN conferences, such as those on the 'rights' of various groups of people.
19 posted on 02/14/2003 6:47:00 PM PST by maica
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To: Pokey78
"Your line is basically: we can't really be sure he'd sell suitcase nukes to terrorists until one goes off in Birmingham. Then you and Armando will say, oh, OK, maybe there's a link after all - unless, of course, you're among the dead."

Is there really a better way to say this? ~~~ I adore Mark Steyn!

20 posted on 02/14/2003 6:50:35 PM PST by Right_in_Virginia (May God bless President Bush and our troops)
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To: NewYorker
They are scared, and for security reasons, they can't say why.

They can't stop everything forever. I don't think they have, but they have been small enough to dismiss. Every time terrorists are ruled out quickly, but they still have no idea of what did go wrong, I get suspicious.

I don't know if anyone knows if there were any links when there was the spate of train wrecks, or crazy men taking over busses, or all the sick cruise ships. I know it could be a media thing, or chance, but maybe not in some cases.

Just now on FoxNews a train derailed with a bunch of propane tank cars. Wasn't it a few days ago there was another wreck with chemicals? Even easy small things like this are disruptive economically, one of the stated goals of the Jihadi. Just a maybe.

Who knows, and the government isn't telling.

21 posted on 02/14/2003 7:18:10 PM PST by StriperSniper (Start heating the TAR, I'll go get the FEATHERS.)
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To: Madame Dufarge; Pokey78
Bullet between the eyes bump.

Nah, they flop around too much and make a mess. Bullet in either eye at the bridge of the nose. No muss no fuss.

Thanks for the ping Poke.

22 posted on 02/14/2003 7:19:26 PM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: Right_in_Virginia
...15 years of Saddamite torture...

So, would it be correct to say that many of the peaceniks are Saddamites?

23 posted on 02/14/2003 7:25:14 PM PST by Tall_Texan (Where liberals lead, misery follows.)
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To: maica; Freee-dame; wardaddy; Squantos; harpseal; Yehuda; FITZ; Sabertooth; piasa
NOBODY says it better! STEYN PING!
24 posted on 02/14/2003 7:30:21 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.enemiesforeignanddomestic.com)
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To: Tall_Texan
LOL ;*D
25 posted on 02/14/2003 7:47:19 PM PST by Right_in_Virginia (May God bless President Bush and our troops)
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To: Pokey78
Reading Steyn certainly refurbishes the landscape of ones mind!
Thanks ... and BTTT!
26 posted on 02/14/2003 8:49:58 PM PST by patricia
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To: Pokey78
"ARE THEY FOR US OR AGAINST US?" (Updated Daily.)

27 posted on 02/14/2003 9:11:42 PM PST by Cindy
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To: Pokey78
Another great one from Steyn.....BUMP
28 posted on 02/14/2003 9:29:36 PM PST by JulieRNR21 (Take W-04........Across America!)
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To: NewYorker
" "...the uncertain tone of the Government..."

That's a bit cryptic. Wonder what he is getting at?"

Mark Styne usually writes from a Canadian POV. Perhaps he is refering to the Canadian government.

VietVet

29 posted on 02/14/2003 9:32:35 PM PST by VietVet
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To: Pokey78
Beautiful... I can't fathom how lefties can read that and not understand.
30 posted on 02/14/2003 9:49:26 PM PST by Tamzee (There are 10 types of people... those who read binary, and those who don't.)
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To: VietVet
Mark Styne usually writes from a Canadian POV.

Here's he's writing for a London paper so I think he's referring to Tony Blair and Co. Are they concerned about the terrorists, about the whipping up of the anti-war sentiment, about the polls?

31 posted on 02/14/2003 9:51:57 PM PST by NewYorker
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To: Pokey78
neither Israel nor America is going to agree to a Palestinian state where the prime business opportunity is strapping on the old explosives belt and telling Baghdad where to mail the cheque.

Steyn is right of course, but he neglects to mention that Saudi Arabia writes just as many checks to homicide bomber families as Saddam does. Those sonsofcamels will eventually have to be dealt with as well.

32 posted on 02/14/2003 10:13:55 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: VietVet
Perhaps he is refering to the Canadian government.

Nope, he's referring to the Brits.

33 posted on 02/14/2003 10:27:54 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: NewYorker
I believe he was refering to the high-level on internal political dissent that Blair's support of our Iraq position is causing his Government.
34 posted on 02/14/2003 11:19:58 PM PST by ggekko
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To: ggekko
I believe he was refering to the high-level on internal political dissent that Blair's support of our Iraq position is causing his Government.

I think so too. There's an interesting editorial in the 2/15 WSJ on that subject. If I was clever I would know how to post the link.

35 posted on 02/15/2003 12:10:19 AM PST by NewYorker
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To: Pokey78
Steyn bump
36 posted on 02/15/2003 2:04:25 AM PST by George W. Bush
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To: Pokey78; Alamo-Girl; onyx; SpookBrat; Republican Wildcat; Howlin; Fred Mertz; dixiechick2000; ...
Mark Steyn: Marching for terror

Excerpt:

Why not ask an Iraqi what the disadvantages of stalemate are? As far as Saddam's subjects are concerned, the "peace" movement means peace for you and Tony Benn and Sheryl Crow and Susan Sarandon, and a prison for them. I was in Montreal last week, which has the largest Iraqi population in North America. I've yet to meet one who isn't waiting eagerly for the day the liberation of their homeland begins. Then they can go back to the surviving members of their families and not have to live in a country where it's winter 10 months of the year.

They're pining for war not because they like the Americans, or the Zionists, or me, but because they understand that, as long as there's Saddam, there's no Iraq. Saddam has killed far more people than Slobo, Iraq has been far more comprehensively brutalised than Kosovo. Marching for "peace" means marching for, oh, another 15 years of Saddamite torture and murder, followed by a couple more decades under the even more psychotic son, until the family runs out of victims to terrorise, gets bored and retires to the Riviera.

It's easy to say it's up to the Iraqi people to get rid of Saddam. That theory worked well in the days when all the peasants had to do was storm the palace and dodge the muskets. It doesn't work against a man who can poison an entire village from the air. Marching for "peace" means marching against the Iraqi people: it's the equivalent of turning them away as, to their shame, many free nations in the 1930s turned away refugees from Germany.


A ping for those that might have otherwise missed this great Steyn article...



Please let me know if you want ON or OFF my General Interest ping list!. . .don't be shy.

37 posted on 02/15/2003 2:06:25 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (Bu-bye SADdam. You're soon to meet your buddy Stalin in Hades.)
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To: livius
Wasn't that some display by France? The inspections are working. Yeah, right ! < /sarcasm >.

Yes, both Britain and Spain came out strong against Saddam. Thank you both !!

To Kofi Annan with love,

Bart


38 posted on 02/15/2003 2:40:25 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (Bu-bye SADdam. You're soon to meet your buddy Stalin in Hades.)
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To: aculeus
Bump !! Great article on your link there. Thanks !!

And why I will not [join anti-war demo, by an Iraqi living in the UK]

39 posted on 02/15/2003 2:53:24 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (Bu-bye SADdam. You're soon to meet your buddy Stalin in Hades.)
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To: MeeknMing
Bump
40 posted on 02/15/2003 4:08:20 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (Let's Roll)
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To: MeeknMing
LOL! Go Bart!
41 posted on 02/15/2003 5:03:46 AM PST by livius
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To: Pokey78
One day, not long from now, when Iraq is free, they will despise those who marched to keep them in hell.

Thanks for ping Pokey.

42 posted on 02/15/2003 5:21:47 AM PST by GirlShortstop
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To: Pokey78; VietVet; NewYorker; Travis McGee
I don't claim to understand the depth of opposition to Tony Blair. It must be frustrating to switch on the television every night and see Blair planning to save the world when he can't even do anything about the crummy hospitals and lousy trains and rampant crime. But sending a million Valentines to a monster to spite your own hard-hearted master is not the answer.

Another column that I read yesterday - possibly in the Washington Times - pointed out that Margaret Thatcher was 'deposed' as leader of the Tories during the first Gulf War. The writer thought that Bush41 et al would not have stopped so precipitously on the road to Baghdad if she had still been in power.

Apparently Chirac and Shroeder would love to get rid of Blair for the same reason (that he provides extra backbone) And they are working hard to get his Labor Party to turn against him.

43 posted on 02/15/2003 6:10:50 AM PST by maica
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To: Pokey78; Howlin; riley1992; Miss Marple; deport; Dane; sinkspur; steve; kattracks; JohnHuang2
<< One day, not long from now, when Iraq is free, they will despise those who marched to keep them in Hell. >>

And, please G-d, they will despise "those who marched to keep them in Hell" enough that the rest of us are encouraged to all climb on board with them and send those they despise -- and their every Evil bloody Communist Party of America-descended, ABA, AARP, NEA et al "education-system" -infiltrated idea and indoctrination -- and sylable-by-bloody-sylable-parsed "law" -- to Hell with them!

And to then
RESTORE OUR BELOVED FRATERNAL REPUBLIC!

44 posted on 02/15/2003 6:48:38 AM PST by Brian Allen (This above all -- to thine own self be true)
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To: Pokey78
Thanks for the ping, friend :^)
45 posted on 02/15/2003 6:50:54 AM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: Pokey78; xm177e2; mercy; Wait4Truth; hole_n_one; GretchenEE; Clinton's a rapist; buffyt; ...

Mark Steyn MEGA PING!!


46 posted on 02/15/2003 6:51:28 AM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: Brian Allen
How are ya, my friend? Thanks for pinging -- I'm on so many ping lists, stuff gets buried sometimes..hehe
47 posted on 02/15/2003 6:52:16 AM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: Pokey78
Ever feel like some of the Arab world is on another planet and that they an alien race? A lost civilization battling a superior civilization ?

Today in Britan you could here the thick accents of Palestinian activists and other radical islamicists who have infiltrated that counrty.

The mutant virus has permeated Europe and must be irradicated.

Islam carries within its "code" a militant and hostile message and blueprint for upsetting democracies and open societies.

48 posted on 02/15/2003 6:59:27 AM PST by Helms
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To: MeeknMing
If we could only find Kofi smoking crack with an undercover
highly paid hooker.
49 posted on 02/15/2003 7:01:39 AM PST by Helms
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To: MeeknMing
Bump!
50 posted on 02/15/2003 7:11:56 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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