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Posted on 02/15/2003 3:12:38 PM PST by MaineVoter2002
Iraqi People To Protestors: "Not In Our Name!"
After your march, when you return to your cosy little house basking in a warm self-congratulatory glow at the thought of a job well done, perhaps you'd spare a minute or two to pen a letter to Dr Khalaf [see below] and explain to him why his fellow Iraqis should be left at the mercy of Saddam. I'm sure he'd appreciate it, he might even forward them to his relatives who are still in Iraq - I'm sure they'd be interested in your expert views.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/letters/story/0,3604,895397,00.html Dr B Khalaf
Friday February 14, 2003
I write this to protest against all those people who oppose the war against Saddam Hussein, or as they call it, the "war against Iraq". I am an Iraqi doctor, I worked in the Iraqi army for six years during Iraq-Iran war and four months during Gulf war. All my family still live in Iraq. I am an Arab Sunni, not Kurdish or Shia. I am an ordinary Iraqi not involved with the Iraqi opposition outside Iraq. I am so frustrated by the appalling views of most of the British people, media and politicians. I want to say to all these people who are against the possible war, that if you think by doing so you are serving the interests of Iraqi people or saving them, you are not. You are effectively saving Saddam. You are depriving the Iraqi people of probably their last real chance get rid of him and to get out of this dark era in their history. My family and almost all Iraqi families will feel hurt and anger when Saddam's media shows on the TV, with great happiness, parts of Saturday's demonstration in London. But where were you when thousands of Iraqi people were killed by Saddam's forces at the end of the Gulf war to crush the uprising? Only now when the war is to reach Saddam has everybody become so concerned about the human life in Iraq. Where were you while Saddam has been killing thousands of Iraqis since the early 70s? And where are you are now, given that every week he executes people through the "court of revolution", a summary secret court run by the secret security office. Most of its sentences are executions which Saddam himself signs. I could argue one by one against your reasons for opposing this war. But just ask yourselves why, out of about 500,000 Iraqis in Britain, you will not find even 1,000 of them participating tomorrow? Your anti-war campaign has become mass hysteria and you are no longer able to see things properly. Locum consultant neurologist, London
I am so frustrated by the appalling views of most of the British people, media and politicians. I want to say to all these people who are against the possible war, that if you think by doing so you are serving the interests of Iraqi people or saving them, you are not. You are effectively saving Saddam. You are depriving the Iraqi people of probably their last real chance get rid of him and to get out of this dark era in their history.
Not for long, I suspect. Brave fellow. If only the peacenics had a clue about the horrors of Saddam and the misery in Iraq.
Where were they when Clinton was lobbing cruise missles? I recall no such protests.
Well, to be fair, there were many such protests by the usual suspects against Clinton's actions when his adm. bombed Serbia, Sudan etc., but just not on the same scale.
Good point. No Iraq groups are joining their anti-freedom rallys. Just the communists, socialists, Jew haters and muslim extremists.
I`m still looking for more, but believe me, there ain`t much
Those people are in our country also
Years ago I use to work with some folks that were from Iraqi and heard some of the stories that were done to innocent people at the hands of Saddam .. Saddam is an evil madman that needs to be stopped
My guess is that the media went to great pains to make sure any reports of protests did not contain the word Clinton, whenever they could get away with it. Whereas you would be hard-pressed to find ANY stories about Iraq that DON'T contain President Bush's name.
I can't prove this, but I suspect it. Maybe someone with Lexis-Nexis access can verify it.
Wonder why they don't display the truth?
Maybe they need some...er, COUGH additional protesters COUGH.
That is exactly correct.
You are the ones wanting to impose your thoughts and desires on others. You are the ones who do not care for the children and future generations in Iraq (despite your protest signs). You are the ones who will allow women and children to continue to be tortured, mutilated, raped and executed.
SHAME ON YOU!
The Guardian does a pretty good job of reporting the news. Where they go wrong - consistently - is in their interpretations and opinions.
Save the People.
This was from a news release from something called the International Action Network or some such in June 1999
10,000 March on the Pentagon on June 5 to Protest the U.S./NATO War Against Yugoslavia
In the largest national demonstration to date 10,000 anti-war protestors marched on June 5th from the Vietnam Veterans Memorial in D.C. to the Pentagon. The Washington, D.C. demonstration coincided with similar protests in San Francisco, London, Prague, Aviano Air Base, Italy, Amsterdam, Mexico, Brussels, and Melbourne, Australia.
The call for the June 5th anti-war protest was issued by the New York-based International Action Center (IAC). The chairperson of the IAC, former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark, demanded that, "the bombing of Yugoslavia be ended immediately and that NATO should be abolished permanently.
"We must abolish NATO. It is a relentless killing machine made up of the former colonial powers who enslaved Africa, Asia, and Latin America," Clark stated. He charged that Clinton and other U.S. officials are guilty of "crimes against peace for their role in the break-up of the Yugoslav Socialist Federation.
The demonstrators included delegations of students, labor unionists, anti-war organizations, religious institutions, and members of the Serb-American community.
"We have assembled here at the Vietnam Veterans Memorial to demand that the war against the people of Yugoslavia be ended, but also because we will constructing a Yugoslav Veterans Memorial unless the Pentagon war machine is stopped," said Sara Flounders, co-director of the International Action Center.
A number of Vietnam combat veterans also addressed the rally that was held adjacent to the Vietnam Veterans Memorial. John Jones, a Vietnam combat veteran and long-time anti-war organizer, said young soldiers should resist orders to occupy Kosovo. "We need a ground war right here against poverty, racism, and the Pentagon," Jones declared.
John Kim of New York Vets for Peace and the National Association of Korean Americans asked: "Remember Panama? Somalia? Iraq? The U.S.-led war against Yugoslavia reminds me of the war crimes committed against Korea half a century ago."
Signs held aloft in the march carried slogans like "Pentagon: Racist, sexist, anti-gay," "Stop bombing Yugoslavia," and "150 schools, 18 hospitals bombed by NATO."
A giant drawing of President Bill Clinton charged, "Verdict: mass murder." Another sign showed the cartoon character Snoopy kicking a giant skull emblazoned with the word "NATO."
Many signs, T-shirts and buttons showed support for Black political prisoner Mumia Abu-Jamal, who has taken a strong stand against the war. Youths took up this popular chant: "Jail Clinton, jail Gore, free Mumia, end the war!"
Banners identified protesters from across the U.S.: "Cleveland Coalition to Stop the Bombing"; "Mid-Hudson, N.Y., National People's Campaign"; "Arizona Coalition for Peace in the Balkans"; "Alabama Stop the War." Buses and car caravans came from New York, Boston, Detroit, Minneapolis, Baltimore, Philadelphia and dozens of other cities.
Kadouri Al-Kaysi, an Iraqi American and member of the Committee in Support of the Iraqi People, helped to captain one IAC bus from New York. He told WW: "The bombing of Yugoslavia and Iraq is the same thing. They want to install a puppet government in Belgrade. Clinton says they are bombing to save Muslim people in Kosovo. Well, what about the 1.5 million Muslim and Arab people in Iraq who have been killed by sanctions?" he asked.
The Peace Agreement is Not About Peace: The demonstration at the Pentagon took place two days after the announcement that the Yugoslav government, led by Slobodan Milosevic, had consented to the occupation of Kosovo. Even with the tentative agreement, NATO missiles and bombs continued to rain down on Yugoslavia during the protest.
"How should we asses the June 3rd agreement?" asked Brian Becker, co-director of the International Action Center and the chairperson of the rally at the Pentagon. "This is not a settlement between two equal parties. No, this was nineteen NATO countries with a total population of 600 million carrying out 33,000 bombing attacks on Yugoslavia for more than seventy days. This so-called peace settlement is not about peace, but about the outright occupation by U.S./NATO troops of a sovereign country," Becker said. "U.S. imperialism has no right to dictate to the Yugoslav people who their leaders will be. We must reject this completely."
Many of the speakers asserted that the U.S./NATO war against Yugoslavia was being used by the Pentagon and members of Congress to widely expand the Pentagon defense budget over the next few years. They pointed out that the Clinton administration had asked for a $112 billion increase in defense spending over the next six years and that the Republicans had added an additional $37 billion on top of that. While military spending will increase there will be a dramatic slashing of spending for programs designed to meet people's needs. An expected cut of 20%-30% in spending on domestic programs, including veterans benefits, education, housing, health care, and food stamps, will take place during the same period.
Other speakers at the June 5th march included the Rev Lucius Walker, IFCO/Pastors for Peace; Rev Kyul Chung, Korean Congress for Reunification; Gordon Clark, Peace Action; Pam Africa, International Concerned Friends and Family of Mumia Abu-Jamal; Rev John Dear, Fellowship of Reconciliation; Clayton Ramey, Muslim Peace Fellowship; Monica Moorehead, Workers World Party; Nadja Tesich; Barry Lituchy, Coalition Against Western Intervention in Yugoslavia; Ricardo Jordan, Committee of Rescue & Development of Vieques, Puerto Rico; Teresa Gutierrez, International Peace for Cuba Appeal; representatives of Saint Sava Church in New York City; and others.
Like I said, the fringe's reaction tend to be pretty much reactionary anti-U.S. establishment, no matter if it's the dems or pubs in charge.
Remember, "search" is your friend.
Keep Iraq Enslaved!
Subj: Re: Letter from an Iraqi Dr.
Date: 2/15/2003 6:11:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Dear Dr. Kahlif:
I read your post with interest.
With all due respect, please understand that it is not every American's desire to send his/her children into harms way to murder what is sure to be many of your fellow Iraqi civilians. While I can appreciate that Sadaam is an oppressive dictator, please remember that it is the US that supported his behavior and allowed him to continue unabated for many years.
I resent your chastizing our citizens for exercising what is truly their right......to question what role our government takes with regard to war. Perhaps it is YOU who should just go home to your nice little house in the suburbs and be thankful, or, better yet, enlist your services in the US military to personally fight for the liberation of your former country.
I should write back saying that she better invade or I will sue
You know, to read this and stop and think about it, is really to stare into the abyss and see the abyss staring back. What do you suppose this could possibly mean?
"While I understand that Sadaam (sic) is an oppressive dictator, you must understand that the wholesale torture of your people is much less important to me than than my obsessive hatred for my country."
I spent months after 9-11 trying to figure this out. Let's see, a US Administration supported a bad guy some years ago; in the meantime the bad guy has become a threat to the well-being of the whole world; but a different US Administration is not allowed to do anything about it -- why?
Try it on another case: a man used to beat his wife, but stopped ten years ago. Now she's being raped in the backyard, but he isn't allowed to stop it, because he used to treat her badly too.
Then I realized that this is not really meant as an argument. It's a strangled cry of hate that's just barely been forced into intelligible sentences. Intelligible thoughts would be too much to ask.
There was a time when the Left had actual ideas -- bad ones, but still, there was a point to it. Now I see a so-called peace movement that seems to have at its heart no ideas, and only two emotions: hatred and contempt.
I am starting to find it extremely creepy.
Clinton Let Bin Laden Slip Away Written December 5, 2001
The U.S. Can't Allow Justice to Be Another War Casualty By MANSOOR IJAZ President Clinton and his national security team ignored several opportunities to capture Osama bin Laden and his terrorist associates, including one as late as last year.
I know because I negotiated more than one of the opportunities.
From 1996 to 1998, I opened unofficial channels between Sudan and the Clinton administration. I met with officials in both countries, including Clinton, U.S. National Security Advisor Samuel R. "Sandy" Berger and Sudan's president and intelligence chief. President Omar Hassan Ahmed Bashir, who wanted terrorism sanctions against Sudan lifted, offered the arrest and extradition of Bin Laden and detailed intelligence data about the global networks constructed by Egypt's Islamic Jihad, Iran's Hezbollah and the Palestinian Hamas.
Among those in the networks were the two hijackers who piloted commercial airliners into the World Trade Center.
The silence of the Clinton administration in responding to these offers was deafening.
As an American Muslim and a political supporter of Clinton, I feel now, as I argued with Clinton and Berger then, that their counter-terrorism policies fueled the rise of Bin Laden from an ordinary man to a Hydra-like monster.
Realizing the growing problem with Bin Laden, Bashir sent key intelligence officials to the U.S. in February 1996.
The Sudanese offered to arrest Bin Laden and extradite him to Saudi Arabia or, barring that, to "baby-sit" him--monitoring all his activities and associates.
But Saudi officials didn't want their home-grown terrorist back where he might plot to overthrow them.
In May 1996, the Sudanese capitulated to U.S. pressure and asked Bin Laden to leave, despite their feeling that he could be monitored better in Sudan than elsewhere.
Bin Laden left for Afghanistan, taking with him Ayman Zawahiri, considered by the U.S. to be the chief planner of the Sept. 11 attacks; Mamdouh Mahmud Salim, who traveled frequently to Germany to obtain electronic equipment for Al Qaeda; Wadih El-Hage, Bin Laden's personal secretary and roving emissary, now serving a life sentence in the U.S. for his role in the 1998 U.S. embassy bombings in Tanzania and Kenya; and Fazul Abdullah Mohammed and Saif Adel, also accused of carrying out the embassy attacks.
Some of these men are now among the FBI's 22 most-wanted terrorists.
The two men who allegedly piloted the planes into the twin towers, Mohamed Atta and Marwan Al-Shehhi, prayed in the same Hamburg mosque as did Salim and Mamoun Darkazanli, a Syrian trader who managed Salim's bank accounts and whose assets are frozen.
Important data on each had been compiled by the Sudanese.
But U.S. authorities repeatedly turned the data away, first in February 1996; then again that August, when at my suggestion Sudan's religious ideologue, Hassan Turabi, wrote directly to Clinton; then again in April 1997, when I persuaded Bashir to invite the FBI to come to Sudan and view the data; and finally in February 1998, when Sudan's intelligence chief, Gutbi al-Mahdi, wrote directly to the FBI.
Gutbi had shown me some of Sudan's data during a three-hour meeting in Khartoum in October 1996. When I returned to Washington, I told Berger and his specialist for East Africa, Susan Rice, about the data available. They said they'd get back to me. They never did. Neither did they respond when Bashir made the offer directly. I believe they never had any intention to engage Muslim countries--ally or not. Radical Islam, for the administration, was a convenient national security threat.
And that was not the end of it. In July 2000--three months before the deadly attack on the destroyer Cole in Yemen--I brought the White House another plausible offer to deal with Bin Laden, by then known to be involved in the embassy bombings. A senior counter-terrorism official from one of the United States' closest Arab allies--an ally whose name I am not free to divulge--approached me with the proposal after telling me he was fed up with the antics and arrogance of U.S. counter-terrorism officials.
The offer, which would have brought Bin Laden to the Arab country as the first step of an extradition process that would eventually deliver him to the U.S., required only that Clinton make a state visit there to personally request Bin Laden's extradition. But senior Clinton officials sabotaged the offer, letting it get caught up in internal politics within the ruling family--Clintonian diplomacy at its best.
Clinton's failure to grasp the opportunity to unravel increasingly organized extremists, coupled with Berger's assessments of their potential to directly threaten the U.S., represents one of the most serious foreign policy failures in American history.
Mansoor Ijaz, a member of the Council on Foreign Relations, is chairman of a New York-based investment company.
There is an explanation for this:
Why is it these Leftists always attach themselves to strange occult mysticism? They are what I call the "Religious Left."
They worship for gods those appearances that remain in the brain from the impression of external bodies upon the organs of their senses, which are commonly called ideas, idols, phantasms, conceits, as being representations of those external bodies which cause them, and have nothing in them of reality, no more than there is in the things that seem to stand before us in a dream...
Like the necromancy of the Wellstone funerally, the use of Martin Luther King Day, or constantly invoking the "spirit of the '60's," they attempt to raise spirits of the dead as a totem for worship.
Marxism and their forms of Cultural Marxism are a religion, a collection of cults. In many cases they worship a dead Karl Marx like some (and I stress some) Christians worship a dead Jesus, and not a living God. This is no more apparent than in the practice of enshrinement and regular grooming of Lenin's corpse in the former Soviet Union.
It is similar to the religious fervor associated with the pro-abortion advocacy. The societal practice of abortion is ritual mass murder upon the altars dedicated to idolatrous vanities, a collective human sacrifice to pagan idols.
As is Ms. Parks' association with The Federation of Damanhur (check out their Cultural Marxist statements to preserve primitive, dying cultures), so is the Left properly identified with a confederacy of decievers that, to obtain dominion over men in this present world, endeavour, by dark (meaning also obscure) and erroneous doctrines.
Well, that's comforting. (-:
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