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Blair warns that marchers will have 'blood on their hands'
The Sunday Telegraph ^ | February 16, 2003 | Colin Brown and Francis Elliott

Posted on 02/15/2003 5:58:20 PM PST by MadIvan

Tony Blair warned the estimated one million anti-war protesters in Britain yesterday that they would have blood on their hands if they succeeded in stopping action to depose Saddam Hussein.

As mass marches took place in cities around the world, the Prime Minister used his strongest terms so far to confront the critics of military action, including some in his Cabinet.

He told Labour's Spring conference in Glasgow: "Ridding the world of Saddam would be an act of humanity. It is leaving him there that is inhumane." There would be "consequences paid in blood" for failing to disarm the Iraqi dictator, he added.

The Telegraph has learned that the Prime Minister avoided a Cabinet split by holding private talks before his speech with Clare Short, the International Development Secretary, to secure her support for putting a "moral case" for toppling Saddam.

A Downing Street official said: "He had lengthy discussions with Clare about the humanitarian aspects of the speech. There is absolutely no problem with Clare."

Mr Blair challenged his party to support his leadership, saying: "I do not seek unpopularity as some badge of honour, but sometimes it is the price of leadership."

Cabinet colleagues said his speech amounted to a "back me or sack me" ultimatum and that it was an unprecedented political gamble by the Prime Minister. Hilary Armstrong, the Chief Whip, said: "This is something that he's considered carefully. He is aware of the dangers to himself of this."

Mr Blair has also secured the support of other potential Cabinet critics of a war on Iraq, including John Prescott, the Deputy Prime Minister, who will back his stand in a speech to the conference today, and Margaret Beckett, the Environment Secretary.

One senior minister said: "Everybody is worried, but I don't see anybody in the Cabinet who doesn't understand that the balance of the argument is in backing action if necessary."

David Blunkett, the Home Secretary, said the crisis was "one of the more difficult" in the past 40 years for Labour. In a message to those who had "left the party or who were toying" with quitting, he urged the Labour "family" to "pull together and stick together".

However, Diane Abbott, the Labour MP for Hackney North and Stoke Newington, gave warning that members were threatening to tear up their cards. "Blair is risking liquidating his own party," she said.

Mr Blair's allies conceded that there could still be a Cabinet split if he failed to win a second resolution at the United Nations Security Council.

Robin Cook, the Leader of the House, is regarded as the most likely to quit the Cabinet if Mr Blair decides to back United States-led military action without a second resolution.

The Prime Minister will try to revive his hopes of avoiding a French veto for a second resolution when he confronts President Jacques Chirac at the European Union emergency summit on Iraq in Brussels tomorrow.

Mr Blair said UN weapons inspectors should be given more time in Iraq, but he remained committed to action "within weeks, not months" if Iraq refused to disarm.

Kofi Annan, the UN Secretary General, warned Baghdad last night that a new Security Council resolution could be forthcoming.

He said: "I believe that the inspectors should continue their work, but if there is no co-operation then the council will see that the operation has become meaningless and that inspections could end. The ball is again in the Iraqi leadership's court."

While Mr Blair made no reference to a second UN resolution in his speech, Downing Street later insisted that he remained committed to seeking a "final verdict" on Iraqi failure to disarm. "He still has confidence in the UN and he still has confidence in Hans Blix," said an aide.

Another official at Number 10 said Mr Blair was "not exactly upbeat" but that "his moral certitude is as strong as ever on this".


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Keep right on, Prime Minister.

And in this aspect I agree - anyone who desires Saddam remains where he is, the blood of the innocents is on your hands too.

Regards, Ivan


1 posted on 02/15/2003 5:58:20 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: Focault's Pendulum; Clive; NYC GOP Chick; Blue Scourge; PhiKapMom; carl in alaska; Cautor; ...
Bump!
2 posted on 02/15/2003 5:58:33 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
Tony Blair warned the estimated one million anti-war protesters in Britain yesterday that they would have blood on their hands if they succeeded in stopping action to depose Saddam Hussein.
Hot Damn! You know, I never really cared for Toney Blair but he's turning out to have steel in him.
3 posted on 02/15/2003 6:01:22 PM PST by BenLurkin (Time to double our military. Time to clean house.)
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To: MadIvan
If Blair doesn't get his UN resolution, will he risk all and just do it? Do you have an opinion on this?
4 posted on 02/15/2003 6:01:30 PM PST by Torie
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To: MadIvan
Wow - Bless him. He is putting his career on the line for the lives of Iraqis. I hate the peaceniks!!!
5 posted on 02/15/2003 6:01:38 PM PST by areafiftyone (The U.N. is now officially irrelevant! The building is for Sale!!!)
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To: MadIvan
Appreciation for our British Friends bump.

Blair must be 'channeling' Churchill.

6 posted on 02/15/2003 6:01:57 PM PST by LibKill (FIRE! and LOTS OF IT!)
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To: Torie
I think he will risk it. I believe he knows something about Iraq that he is not able to share with us at the present time, but once Saddam is out, his reasons will become clear.

I believe the same holds true with President Bush.

Regards, Ivan

7 posted on 02/15/2003 6:02:49 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
GW Bush, the American people and the peace loving people of the world will owe Tony Blair much.

If Bill Clinton was more like Tony Blair than Larry Flynt, he would have an honorable legacy.....even with disagreements on policy

8 posted on 02/15/2003 6:07:52 PM PST by rface (Ashland, Missouri)
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To: MadIvan
Bump.
9 posted on 02/15/2003 6:11:29 PM PST by Rocko
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To: MadIvan
Wow! Not bad for a liberal!
10 posted on 02/15/2003 6:14:19 PM PST by ConservativeLawyer (Liberate Iraq.)
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To: MadIvan
We are so blessed to have Blair on our side. Dubya has the support of his people, but Blair is really sacrificing his politial career for his stance.

But he'll look real good in the history books.
11 posted on 02/15/2003 6:17:01 PM PST by keats5
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To: MadIvan
I disagree with him on many issues, but he certainly is made of stern stuff.
12 posted on 02/15/2003 6:17:56 PM PST by Britton J Wingfield
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To: MadIvan
However, Diane Abbott, the Labour MP for Hackney North and Stoke Newington, gave warning that members were threatening to tear up their cards. "Blair is risking liquidating his own party," she said.

MadIvan, I have heard of "blowback" and "collateral damage", but I suppose the labor that remains might not be majority party. Would that not be a win/win for the Right in Britain? ... be that as it may, it's would be the dumbest thing a party has done since the Tories dumped Maggie T. ... I would never underestimate left-labour's stupidity but how likely is it really???

13 posted on 02/15/2003 6:18:16 PM PST by WOSG
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To: MadIvan
I think he will risk it. I believe he knows something about Iraq that he is not able to share with us at the present time, but once Saddam is out, his reasons will become clear. I believe the same holds true with President Bush.

I think you are exactly right and it's exactly what I've believed for a long time.

14 posted on 02/15/2003 6:18:28 PM PST by varina davis
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To: MadIvan
How unlike when Leo Amery told Chamberlain to be gone and have done with him. I still cannot believe Blair is the man he is, just seems unreal.
15 posted on 02/15/2003 6:19:09 PM PST by cynicom
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To: MadIvan
well for one we *do* know Saddam has WMDs ... if we can get in there and capture them, it would be the "proof" after the fact to justify the military action.
16 posted on 02/15/2003 6:19:44 PM PST by WOSG
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To: MadIvan
Anyone know how to contact British Embassy? We could bombard that place with support for such a brave man!! How many of our polis. would go against the polls for what they perceived to be right?

HE IS A TRUE LEADER! Those are few and far between.
17 posted on 02/15/2003 6:22:18 PM PST by whadizit
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To: MadIvan
I gain more respect for him with each passing day. If he were a liberal in America (Democrat), he would have caved in to the pinkos in his party a long time ago.

Blair may be a lib, but he got some cajones, and I respect him riding shotgun on this issue with the USA. Too bad that it may cost him his political career.
18 posted on 02/15/2003 6:26:31 PM PST by pittsburgh gop guy
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To: MadIvan
Robin Cook, the Leader of the House, is regarded as the most likely to quit the Cabinet if Mr Blair decides to back United States-led military action without a second resolution.

Some how I doubt this, I haven't met a liberal yet who didn't know which side of the pork their butter was on.

Having said that I must admit I don't really follow British
politics that closely.

Still, a chance to be in a war cabinet is a chance to wield
REAL power, not something a liberal would want to miss.
19 posted on 02/15/2003 6:28:34 PM PST by tet68 (Jeremiah 51:24 ..."..Before your eyes I will repay Babylon for all the wrong they have done in Zion")
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To: MadIvan
Take it to 'em, Tone!!
20 posted on 02/15/2003 6:30:47 PM PST by Chi-townChief
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To: MadIvan
It's time to talk.
It's time to tell us what he knows that makes him so sure.
Bush & Blair are making it very hard for us to help make their case! They need to communiate more and better!
21 posted on 02/15/2003 6:32:56 PM PST by Jerez2
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To: MadIvan
I agree that Mr. Blair (God Bless him) and Mr. Bush both know the REAL evil that exists in Saddam's fun houses. The peaceniks are under the greatly mistaken idea that all the information and evidence that exists has been made public.

Bah! Damn Fools! Blood will be all over their hands and SOULS should this regime continue.
22 posted on 02/15/2003 6:36:26 PM PST by prairiebreeze (Who would have anticipated Germany and France to be the entity that is doing the de-stabilizing!?)
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To: MadIvan
I've seen the pictures. A million? Hah! Must be using Million Man March Math. I doubt if there's 300,000 in the pictures I've seen. Go look at the Promise Keepers rally pictures. THAT was a crowd (I was there).
23 posted on 02/15/2003 6:44:18 PM PST by Timmy
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To: Jerez2
I don't agree. There are many reasons for keeping certain information classified. Compromising of important information sources(perhaps by placing their lives in danger) , not wanting to demonstrate our methods and means of collecting intel or the level of sophistication we possess with intelligence gathering to our enemies, or tipping off possible future operations to Saddam or the evil twins to name a few.

Besides, it would very likely scare the PANTS off the public and that includes you and me.

A government that is unwise about what it shares and when is dangerous. It's not time for them to talk. They have talked. It's time for us to listen, understand and TRUST.
24 posted on 02/15/2003 6:44:51 PM PST by prairiebreeze (Who would have anticipated Germany and France to be the entity that is doing the de-stabilizing!?)
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To: MadIvan
"I do not seek unpopularity as some badge of honour, but sometimes it is the price of leadership."

Where did he get that steel and titanium backbone? God Bless Tony Blair!

25 posted on 02/15/2003 6:49:56 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: MadIvan
I didn't fancy Tony Blair back when he appeared to be so buddy-buddy with our lawless ex-president, but I now perceive him to be quite principled. I hope he knows he has the support of much of America.

26 posted on 02/15/2003 6:52:41 PM PST by arasina (Give Iraq to Hillary so she can be a Queen of her own country!)
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To: MadIvan
Blair warns that marchers will have 'blood on their hands'

Blair has serious balls of steel, considering that 90% of the British public is against the ousting of Saddam (if the latest polls are to be believed). But he knows what all intelligent people everywhere know (or should know) --- that in a few weeks when the streets of Baghdad are flooded with grateful Iraqis celebrating their new freedoms, the world will look upon the liberators with grudging respect and admiration. Blair is way too smart to miss such an opportunity.

27 posted on 02/15/2003 6:58:02 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: MadIvan
The PM is correct. Just as the Vietnam protesters have Pol Pot and 3 million Cambodians to account for, these protesters may have their own shining monument.
28 posted on 02/15/2003 6:59:04 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: areafiftyone
I wonder if there is a way to e-mail Tony Blair a word of thanks.
29 posted on 02/15/2003 7:00:44 PM PST by Eva
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To: Eva
Thats a good idea. I am going to check it out.
30 posted on 02/15/2003 7:03:36 PM PST by areafiftyone (The U.N. is now officially irrelevant! The building is for Sale!!!)
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To: pittsburgh gop guy
Too bad that it may cost him [Blair] his political career.

It'll only cost him his political career if the upcoming military battle turns out to be a disaster (for the good guys), and that ain't gonna happen. He's banking on our military success, and I'd say that's a mighty safe investment.

31 posted on 02/15/2003 7:07:24 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: prairiebreeze
I know the dangers of revealing information. And I DO trust President Bush. But the dangers of sending our military into war without public support is greater. I'll leave the timing of the info release up to Bush and Blair. But it BETTER come soon. Protests DO have an effect on public opinion. I hate to say it, but it is true!
33 posted on 02/15/2003 7:08:47 PM PST by Jerez2
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To: MadIvan; lavocat

FYI, our newbie with the potty mouth came back from a Saddam-enabling march today.

34 posted on 02/15/2003 7:10:15 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: MadIvan
Man, I have to agree with Blair. There has to be something going on that we haven't been told. This warning of his is frightening.

Half of me would like to see these Communist peaceniks eat their words. The other half of me doesn't want to have to see what will happen if Saddam is left in power.
35 posted on 02/15/2003 7:12:53 PM PST by Neever
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To: Torie
I was wondering that too. Also what the world is going to do if the next resolution doesn't pass. I'm sure I already know the answer though.
37 posted on 02/15/2003 7:13:22 PM PST by knak
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To: MadIvan
I think he will risk it. I believe he knows something about Iraq that he is not able to share with us at the present time, but once Saddam is out, his reasons will become clear.

It is the only logical reason for his behavor and that of John Howard.

I have been trying to imagine what kind of threat would make a Prime Minister risk his position and go against his own party. He would have to be convinced that it was something both urgent and nasty.

38 posted on 02/15/2003 7:15:02 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (An object in motion will always be heading in the wrong direction.)
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To: lavocat
Why exactly do you believe this article to be "a load of crap?"

Be specific.

39 posted on 02/15/2003 7:15:29 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
I have been trying to imagine what kind of threat would make a Prime Minister risk his position and go against his own party.

An imminent nuclear or biological one, I'd imagine.

41 posted on 02/15/2003 7:19:41 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: lavocat
Speaking out against the liberation of the Nazi death camps would constitute having blood on one's hands. Speaking out in favor of Saddam Hussein is to have blood on one's hands, too.
42 posted on 02/15/2003 7:20:34 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: MadIvan
You Brits have some good Prime Ministers.
43 posted on 02/15/2003 7:21:47 PM PST by Porterville
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To: Mr. Mojo; MadIvan
I was in Britain (Cheshire) for a stopover 2 weeks back, and I must say the BBC program on Iraq made CNN seem like Fox News. It was depressing how glib they are about bashing Blair, discounting the Iraqi threat and raising oh so many false analogies .... this was right after powell and it really steamed me how they DIDNT EVEN REPORT ON WHAT POWELL SAID but simply dismissed stuff like "well the links with terror is the weakest part" (didnt bother mentioning what 'weak data' was given) and basically rallied around the head-in-the-sands approach and well if USA is saying X it is quite suspect for a Brit PM to say the same.

BBC is like Reuters with a nicer accent.

Coming out of that, I came to understand how the majority of Britons *might* be disaffected/brainwashed.
45 posted on 02/15/2003 7:22:17 PM PST by WOSG
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To: lavocat

"Keep Iraq Enslaved!"
46 posted on 02/15/2003 7:22:21 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: MadIvan
Right on Ivan. You have a good man there, and allot of goofy people just like we have here. I have a really bad feeling that they will be sorry.
47 posted on 02/15/2003 7:24:21 PM PST by ezoeni
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To: Eva
Went to 10 Downing Street and found this:

E-mail address for the Prime Minister:

At present there isn’t an e-mail address for the Prime Minister, although we are working on plans to introduce one.

If you would like to contact the Prime Minister please use the address provided below:

10 Downing Street
London
SW1A 2AA

Alternatively you can fax 10 Downing Street on the following number: 0207 925 0918. Please ensure you include your full postal address in any correspondence

I can't see him not having an e-mail address. Probably for security reasons. Its a shame.

48 posted on 02/15/2003 7:24:37 PM PST by areafiftyone (The U.N. is now officially irrelevant! The building is for Sale!!!)
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To: lavocat
Blair isn't criticizing people for exercising their freedom of speech; he's critizing them for being willfully blind to the consequences of inaction. The inaction of Western Europe in the late 30's regarding Germany cost many millions of innocent lives, and Blair doesn't want to repeat that mistake.
49 posted on 02/15/2003 7:25:37 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: lavocat

No, it was you:


Cultural Jihad: "You publicly stated that you attended a Saddam-enabling march."(source)

lavocat: "And...what does that prove? Yes I went, and I am glad I did."(source)



50 posted on 02/15/2003 7:27:52 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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