Heimlich & UCLA Researchers Investigated: infecting Chinese AIDS Patients with Malaria

The Cincinnati Enquirer ^ | 16 Feb 03 | Robert Anglen

[xzins]

Extremely controversial technique

[expatpat]

Controversial it does seem to be. But does it work? If it does, the establishment is being obstructive.

[xzins]

This is the Heimlich of "choking" and "heimlich maneuver" fame.

[anniegetyourgun]

Did I miss something - as in no stats given on deaths resulting from this 'treatment' method. I find it hard to believe there was 100% survival rate among those under the experiment.

[Dont Mention the War]

Well, at least if any of the nauseated patients start choking on their on their own vomit, they'll have the most-prepared man in the world standing by to save them.

[xzins]

It sounds like Heimlich and crew are keeping stats confidential and/or are fearful of academic reprisal. It sounds like something they can't publish until they prove their case.

Heimlich is a local doctor, so this showed up in today's Cincy Enquirer.

[xzins]

Like Annie says, I wonder what the death stats are?

And why do they get their volunteers in China? Is it Taiwan or China? I always get those places mixed up when they use "people's this" or "democratic that" China.

[xzins]

That is a bottom line kind of question, isn't it?

[anniegetyourgun]

Hhhmmm, it's that also the home state of the infamous Dr. Haskell, 'pioneer' of killing babies in the birth canal?

[xzins]

I don't know Haskell. Does anyone else? If so, is he from Cincy?

[e_engineer]

Seems to me that the answer to your question could be found in Africa, using epidemiological studies rather than infecting AIDS patients with malaria. There must be tens of thousands of HIV infected Africans who already have malaria.

[anniegetyourgun]

Actually, I think he ran his death clinics out of Dayton.

[CurlyDave]

Think back ~ 10 years ago to the time when the entire medical establishment thought that ulcers were caused by stress, and that the only treatment possible was a bland diet.

Along came an Australian doctor who had some evidence that they were really the result of a bacterial infection. The grief he got from the establishment was quite similar to the problems described here.

He ultimately proved his point by infecting himself and then curing his own ulcers, because there was no funding for more traditional trials.

One might think the the medical establishment would have given him a medal for curing a previously incurable disease. Instead they tried to ride him out of town on a rail for the "unethical" behavior of experimenting on himself.

[tang-soo]

This is the Heimlich of "choking" and "heimlich maneuver" fame.

Yes it is. I used to live near Cincinnati. Not sure if this is still the case but his son (I think his name is Pete) was(is) a council member in Cincinnati and mostly conservative. By the way, as an example of long standing bickering where people would rather fight with wrong headedness rather than admit they were wrong, the red cross for years and years fought Heimlich over his method of treating choking victims. They finally relented.

[xzins]

The procedure is to reinfect them in order to get a series of high fevers over a short time period.

You don't get that, apparently, with naturally occuring malarial infection.

[Domestic Church]

The pharmaceutical companies will put the kabosh on this. If it can cure AIDS, Lyme disease and Cancer, that's a big bite of Mega $$$ lost to the pharma/techno/medico industries. It is a primitive method compared to modern techniques but that could rapidly be upgraded if it does work.


Might there be a black market for malaria mosquitos around the corner?

[GladesGuru]

Nothing like a double E when it comes to reasoning. I wonder if Dr. Heimlich did check African patients, or if the data we would expect to have been gathered here was ever recorded there?

[xzins]

my mother lost most of her stomach because of those old ideas about ulcers. It is difficult for her what they cut out of her body.

[xzins]

see #15

[nkycincinnatikid]

My first thought is that Heimlich's Amberly Village neighbor Stan Chesley is going to make BILLIONS with a Chinese class action over this.