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Hunters need to separate themselves from gun nuts
Chicago Sun Times ^ | 2-17-03 | DALE BOWMAN

Posted on 02/17/2003 5:43:46 AM PST by SJackson

"About the time that Daddy left to fight the big war/I saw my first pistol in the general store/In the general store, when I was thirteen/Thought it was the finest thing I ever had seen/So I asked if I could have one someday when I grew up/Mama dropped a dozen eggs, she really blew up/She really blew up and I didn't understand/Mama said the pistol is the Devil's right hand.''

Steve Earle's ''The Devil's Right Hand''

Ihunt. It's the most intense and rewarding thing I do in the outdoors.

To hunt, I own guns.

They are my most valued possessions.

When I was 13, Dad gave me the family .22 rifle as my most cherished Christmas gift. When I turned 18, my 12-gauge shotgun and my deer rifle were my first important life purchases.

The only thing I asked Dad to bequeath me in his will is an ancient, open-bore, single-shot, 12-gauge shotgun my Grandpa Bowman gave him as his first gun as a boy.

Guns come with meanings for me, come with stories and histories.

So I watch with more than passing interest when an anti-gun person such as Mayor Daley steps into the political arena with gun legislation.

The latest foray came Thursday.

My first thought was, "Oh, God, not again.''

Then I picked through the highlights.

As a hunter and human being, I agreed with almost all of them.

As hunters, we must learn to separate ourselves from the gun nuts, those who would oppose every firearm restriction. Otherwise, we'll be lumped in the crackpot pile.

*A ban on military-style, semi-automatic assault weapons. I absolutely agree. It should have been done years ago. The problem for hunters is the definition of assault rifles; otherwise, it in no way affects my right to own a shotgun or rifle for hunting.

*Restrict handgun purchases to one per person per month. For my money, you could ban handguns completely. That in no way affects my right to own a shotgun or rifle for hunting.

*Gun fingerprinting. I have no problem with that other than it is another governmental intrusion into our lives. It in no way affects my right to own a shotgun or rifle for hunting.

*Lengthening the waiting period for taking possession of a handgun from three days to 10. Hey, make it a month, a year, 10 years. It in no way affects my right to own a shotgun or rifle for hunting.

*Require annual background checks of those who hold Firearm Owners Identification Cards. I think that will be a logistical nightmare and should not be enacted for that reason. Otherwise, check all you want. It in no way affects my right to own a shotgun or rifle for hunting.

*Increase the cost of a FOID card. It annoys me. It will cost me. But it in no way affects my right to own a shotgun or rifle for hunting.

*Mandate background checks of people who buy firearms at gun shows. Absolutely. That should have been in place years ago. That in no way affects my right to own a shotgun or rifle for hunting.

*State licensing of gun dealers and a state database of gun information. Go ahead. I think it will be a logistical nightmare; otherwise, it in no way affects my right to own a shotgun or rifle for hunting.

*Increased penalty for secret compartments in vehicles for weapons. Throw the book at them. That in no way affects my right to own a shotgun or rifle for hunting.

Daley's proposals make sense. But then, I am a hunter who owns guns, not a gun nut. Guns don't mean more than life to me.

Dale Bowman can be reached at outdoordb@aol.com.

"Bowman's Outdoor Line'' is heard on "Outdoors with Mike Norris'' (3-4 p.m. Thursdays, 1280-AM).


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1 posted on 02/17/2003 5:43:46 AM PST by SJackson
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To: SJackson
Guns don't mean more than life to me.

I doubt that anything means more than life to this guy.

2 posted on 02/17/2003 5:47:30 AM PST by niteowl77
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To: SJackson; dd5339; cavtrooper21
So, this guy is a liberal gun-grabber in "hunter's clothing...Maybe we should boycott his program, or at least email him some friendly corrections!
3 posted on 02/17/2003 5:47:57 AM PST by Vic3O3 (-47 below keeps the riffraff out!)
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To: *bang_list; RedWing9; technochick99; CHICAGOFARMER; sistergoldenhair; Chi-townChief; BillyBoy; ...
Illinois ping list. If you'd like to be added or removed, please FRMail me.

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I'm trying to separate the Illinois from 2nd amendment. If you'd like only one or the other, or on/off alltogether, FRmail me.

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It's probably unfair to accuse Mr. Bowman of not understanding the 2nd amendment, since it apparently doesn't enter into his analysis of Daley's proposals.

His portrayal of non-hunting shooters as "crackpots" is absurd, but unfortunatly widespread. He fails to realize they'll be coming for his firearms just as soon as they've solved the "assault rife" and handgun problems. You'll note he writes a column and does a radio show, he's probably worth well thought our E Mail.

4 posted on 02/17/2003 5:48:39 AM PST by SJackson
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To: edskid
My apologies. I meant to call Bowman a "self-centered guy."
5 posted on 02/17/2003 5:48:55 AM PST by niteowl77
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To: SJackson
But then, I am a hunter who owns guns, not a gun nut No dufus,you're just a plain nut!

I'm a hunter and I see no reason why others should not enjoy other shooting sports.It's not all about hunting you ignorant dweeb.In fact,I just purchased my first "assault rifle" this weekend.Had lots of fun shooting it,even though I wasn't "hunting" anything.Go figure.........

6 posted on 02/17/2003 5:49:24 AM PST by quack
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To: SJackson
The Daley restrictions on police officers ban possession of .50 cal weapons, including BLACKPOWDER.

Bowman should realize Daley isn't about to allow weapons used for "nice" pursuits like hunting.

7 posted on 02/17/2003 5:50:39 AM PST by SJackson
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To: SJackson
Who is this POS? Sarah Brady in drag?
8 posted on 02/17/2003 5:51:43 AM PST by 11B3 (Liberalism is merely another form of mental retardation.)
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To: SJackson
My first pistol was a cap & ball Colt,

Shoot as fast as lightning, but he loads a mite slow ...

Loads a mite slow, loads a mite slow,

She'll get you into trouble that she can't get you out.

from the same song by Steve Earle.

9 posted on 02/17/2003 5:51:55 AM PST by Pilsner
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To: edskid
This guy is a fool.
10 posted on 02/17/2003 5:52:42 AM PST by ezoeni
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To: SJackson
This p*ss% is already a slave.
He has lost the will to be free.
11 posted on 02/17/2003 5:53:24 AM PST by RKV
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To: SJackson
As long as we're registering your guns, why not have a closer look at your tax return ? Nothing to hide, eh ?
12 posted on 02/17/2003 5:54:49 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: SJackson
Glad to know the Second Amendment is all about hunting.

The militia, of course, must have been all about keeping the bear population down.

13 posted on 02/17/2003 5:55:39 AM PST by The Iguana
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To: SJackson
As hunters, we must learn to separate ourselves from the gun nuts, those who would oppose every firearm restriction. Otherwise, we'll be lumped in the crackpot pile.

What a nut.
Everybody knows that hunting is just practice for when we start using the 2nd amendment for why it was really written!

15 posted on 02/17/2003 5:59:50 AM PST by grobdriver
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To: SJackson
Has anyone ever met a "gun nut"? The only ones i've ever seen are Hollwood and TV creations. Met plenty of gun owners in my life. Not one could ever be called a "gun nut".
16 posted on 02/17/2003 5:59:56 AM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult ("Read Hillary's hips. I never had sex with that woman.")
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To: SJackson
Everything in this article means absolutely nothing, since it is built off a false premise.

False Premise: The purpose of the Second Amendment is to protect the right to use a gun to hunt.

Truth: The purpose of the Second Amendment is to protect the right of the people to protect themselves from government.

17 posted on 02/17/2003 6:00:44 AM PST by ez (WHERE'S THE POLLING DATA ON THE ESTRADA FILIBUSTER???)
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To: The Iguana
Glad to know the Second Amendment is all about hunting.

And as soon as some RAT politician or UN commission says "you don't need to hunt", this clown will happily turn in his hunting rifle and shotgun (and bow, for good measure). And happily rat out his hunting buddies, too.

Typical liberal thought process: if I can't understand it, it must be made illegal.

18 posted on 02/17/2003 6:08:50 AM PST by 300winmag
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult
Has anyone ever met a "gun nut"?

I'm sure some of us are termed "gun nuts" based solely on the number of guns we own or wish to own. No doubt much of the loony left deems all who attend gun shows "gun nuts."

So be it. I invite those liberty-hating pieces of human debris to use every opportunity to differentiate me from the likes of them. They can call me whatever they like, as long as they don't call me one of their own.

19 posted on 02/17/2003 6:09:45 AM PST by newgeezer (Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my guns ever should.)
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To: SJackson
*Restrict handgun purchases to one per person per month. For my money, you could ban handguns completely. That in no way affects my right to own a shotgun or rifle for hunting.

Yeah, right.

Well, why not restrict shotgun or rifle purchase to one per person per month. For my money, you could ban shotguns/rifles completely. They're only made for slaughtering defenseless animals anyway. That in no way affects my right to own a handgun for protection.</sarcasm>

This guy's a complete dolt. Do you think he understands what he's saying?

C_E

20 posted on 02/17/2003 6:09:47 AM PST by clueless_expert
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To: SJackson
Guys like this are trying to prove what nice guys they are while fulfilling the gun grabbers dream of divide and conquer. We see this attitude a lot at the local gun club. The trapshooters insist they are the "good" guys and condemn the black rifle set and people coming in there with their Glocks. They could just as well shoot trap in a bar electronically.
21 posted on 02/17/2003 6:13:18 AM PST by Ches
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To: SJackson
"As hunters, we must learn to separate ourselves from the gun nuts, those who would oppose every firearm restriction. Otherwise, we'll be lumped in the crackpot pile."

You need to update your knowledge of gun control and the Bill of Rights. Every line of your article is the way gun control facist-neo-nazi America haters take away guns from people; that will include yours also.

"To hunt, I own guns."
"They are my most valued possessions."
"Daley's proposals make sense. But then, I am a hunter who owns guns, not a gun nut. Guns don't mean more than life to me."

Interesting. The significance of all gun control legislation is the removal of both the constitutional right to keep and bear arms and eventually the disarming of good citizens; it has been proven in other gun control nations and cities that violent gun incidents increase with gun control laws. More guns, less crime is a FACT! Criminals never voluntarily disarm, in fact, most felons keep their guns despite the law. By disarming good citizens homes are easy prey for criminals. Another fact is even more important, all dictatorships disarm good citizens to prevent them from rising up against them. Hitler is one example that comes to mind.Our Christian forefathers knew this and provided for it.
Do you vote democrat? Just curious....


22 posted on 02/17/2003 6:17:03 AM PST by wgeorge2001 (One God, one faith, one baptism. The Father,Son and Holy Spirit!)
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To: SJackson
Then he won't mind when they try to ban "sniper rifles" ans "street sweeper" shotguns. Who needs one of those anyway? As long as it doesn't interfere with my right. (/sarcasm)

What an idiot.(spit!)
23 posted on 02/17/2003 6:19:17 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave)
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To: SJackson
*A ban on military-style, semi-automatic assault weapons. I absolutely agree. It should have been done years ago. The problem for hunters is the definition of assault rifles; otherwise, it in no way affects my right to own a shotgun or rifle for hunting.

Okay, so a military-style, semi-automatic assault weapon will destroy its target more effciently than a long rifle chambered for .223 or .308 that is marketed for varmint hunting?

BREAKING NEWS: Shocking new evidence that says liberals are incapable of presenting a coherent argument for anything. Story at eleven.

24 posted on 02/17/2003 6:20:35 AM PST by O.C. - Old Cracker
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To: Ches
We see this attitude a lot at the local gun club. The trapshooters insist they are the "good" guys and condemn the black rifle set and people coming in there with their Glocks.

I've seen this too, unfortunately. It is very troubling. It amazes me when I hear a hunter who is blissfully sighting in his .300 Win Mag state with no hint of irony that he sees no reason why anyone needs an "assault weapon".

25 posted on 02/17/2003 6:22:36 AM PST by RogueIsland
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To: SJackson
Steve Earle is a self-avowed communist.
26 posted on 02/17/2003 6:23:47 AM PST by Gary Seven
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To: SJackson
I own a pistol that I've never fired. Not once. I don't hunt. But there may come a day when we are forced to defend ourselves against an enemy. Could be a civil war. Maybe an incursion. Anarchy. That's what the 2nd Amendment means to me. That pistol is duct tape I hope I'll never need. It's my defense in case the worst happens. Why on earth would anyone be against it?
27 posted on 02/17/2003 6:24:33 AM PST by Glenn
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To: RogueIsland
"he sees no reason why anyone needs an "assault weapon"."

They use the typical gun grabber terms - black guns, assault rifle, rapid fire and the ever present "I don't know why anyone needs a pistol."

They must live in a gated community. Geez!

28 posted on 02/17/2003 6:26:41 AM PST by Ches
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To: SJackson
I'll save them the trouble: Comment removed by Moderator.
29 posted on 02/17/2003 6:28:07 AM PST by wcbtinman
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To: SJackson; newgeezer
Hunters need to separate themselves from gun nuts

The ole divide and conquer trick. How about if pistol shooters separate themselves from rifle shooters and shoot gun shooters separate themselves from both. They we can further divide by calliber.

30 posted on 02/17/2003 6:28:19 AM PST by biblewonk
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To: SJackson
Well, I hate to be the one to break the bad news, BUT Daley is not your Problem ANYMORE! It is Rod "the Second Amendment HATER" Blagojevich! Hang on to your seat, You ain't seen Nothin YET!!
31 posted on 02/17/2003 6:29:32 AM PST by chicagolady
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To: SJackson
One more thing. According to this guy, if you own a gun and don't hunt, you're a nut? Would he confine this brilliant logic to guns, or would he extend it to other tools as well? I own quite a few hunting knives that have never been used for their marketed purpose, i.e. gutting, skinning etc. I must be a gun and knife nut, eh?
32 posted on 02/17/2003 6:29:52 AM PST by O.C. - Old Cracker
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To: SJackson
"I am a hunter who owns guns, not a gun nut. Guns don't mean more than life to me."

I am a gun owner that doesn't hunt. Basically I don't like to kill things and would prefer to get mine at the grocery store.

I own and shoot military weapons at pieces of paper. If you want to take them from me you can pry them from my cold dead fingers. My adversion to killing things ends at the second amendment to the United States Constitution.

This guy is a total phony jerk. They pop up every once in awhile. Divide and conquer strategy of the anti's.

33 posted on 02/17/2003 6:29:56 AM PST by SSN558
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To: SJackson
Just A couple of points this so called hunter needs to understand. We all need to hnag together or we shall certainly hang seperately. You have no RIGHT to hunt per se. You have a Right to keep and bear arms. *A ban on military-style, semi-automatic assault weapons. I absolutely agree. It should have been done years ago. The problem for hunters is the definition of assault rifles; otherwise, it in no way affects my right to own a shotgun or rifle for hunting.

Like pump and semi auto shotguns are excluded. I further note that a number of excellent hunting rifles are included in such bans.

*Restrict handgun purchases to one per person per month. For my money, you could ban handguns completely. That in no way affects my right to own a shotgun or rifle for hunting.

If one can ban handguns one can ban any gun.

Clearly this individual needs to read and understand Niemoller 'First they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist, so I said nothing. Then they came for the Social Democrats, but I was not a Social Democrat, so I did nothing. Then came the trade unionists, but I was not a trade unionist. And then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew, so I did little. Then when they came for me, there was no one left to stand up for me.'

34 posted on 02/17/2003 6:32:09 AM PST by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: SJackson
Instead of disarming law-abiding citizens, Illinois could give stiff sentences to criminals who use firearms in the commission of felonies. They could even execute murders, but that would be too logical.
35 posted on 02/17/2003 6:33:46 AM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult
Has anyone ever met a "gun nut"? The only ones i've ever seen are Hollwood and TV creations. Met plenty of gun owners in my life. Not one could ever be called a "gun nut".

Yes. A gun nut is someone who uses a firearm for a purpose different than yours. To the author, a hunter, it's a shooter. To some shooters, it's a hunter. Anyone owning a gun for self defense only is automatically a gun nut.

36 posted on 02/17/2003 6:36:11 AM PST by SJackson
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To: Paleo Conservative
Negative, Then half the police force including the Commander -in -Chief would have to go. It ain't gonna happen.
37 posted on 02/17/2003 6:37:53 AM PST by chicagolady
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To: SJackson
It's the old ....Divide and conquer trick!
38 posted on 02/17/2003 6:39:17 AM PST by chicagolady
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Then he won't mind when they try to ban "sniper rifles" ans "street sweeper" shotguns.

He'll like that idea, till he figures out what the ban applies to, when it will be too late.

39 posted on 02/17/2003 6:40:57 AM PST by SJackson
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult
I'm with you, can someone p-l-e-a-s-e tell me what a gun nut is?

I have several shoulder fired weapons, 50# and 90# Recurved Bows and lots of arrows with detachable target heads and a bag of replacement Hunting heads (all razor sharp).

Does that make me a Bow nut too?!!!

40 posted on 02/17/2003 6:41:49 AM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SJackson
That's funny ... I thought the purpose of the Second Amendment was to keep tyrannical government in check. I never realized it was just for "hunting"?

A couple of years ago I learned that the elderly man living next to me had completely lost his mind and been committed to a mental instituation. When they took him away they also removed a rather significant gun collection. My first reaction was to be grateful that my crazy neighbor no longer had guns at his disposal.

But, as I have thought more on it I have come to the conclusion that life would be *FAR* more dangerous and less worth living if he did not have the freedom to own those guns.

41 posted on 02/17/2003 6:49:20 AM PST by The Duke
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To: SandRat
" p-l-e-a-s-e tell me what a gun nut is?"

Gun nut = dirty word

A local environmentalist once stood up and called me a "fascist libertarian gun nut". Stringing these three terms together demonstrated this "dirty word" concept to me. When they have nothing constructive to offer they can always resort to name calling, villification and escalation to the point of ending any rational conversation.

42 posted on 02/17/2003 6:49:36 AM PST by Ches
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To: SJackson
Dale Bowman can be reached at outdoordb@aol.com.

"Bowman's Outdoor Line'' is heard on "Outdoors with Mike Norris'' (3-4 p.m. Thursdays, 1280-AM).

If Dale Bowman were a black man writing about race relations, we would call him an Uncle Tom. Dale Bowman is clearly a groveling brown nose who can't wait to lick the boots of his newest master.

Don't patronize any publication that publishes his work. If you live in his listening area, call the radio station and let them know what you think of him.

Yeah, I'll get called a "gun nut" for having this opinion. But I'd rather be called a gun nut than a subject.

43 posted on 02/17/2003 6:59:53 AM PST by brbethke
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To: SJackson
When did Schmuckie Schumer change his name and start writing agitprop columns for the Chicago Sun Times?
44 posted on 02/17/2003 7:03:06 AM PST by Gritty
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To: Galahad2
…..and in Katy, Texas, 02/14/2003….
It is now apparently illegal make someone nervous.

Let me explain.

My son, Ben and his buddies were at a nearby ditch yesterday with their Red Ryder BB guns.

A policeman approached the boys and asked them to “open the breach” of their “weapons”. He then asked who they were and where they lived. Ben stated that the officer said, “BB guns make people nervous.”

Here’s where it gets weird. Ben had his bicycle with him too. The officer made him leave his bicycle at the ditch and marched him home in front of the police car and in front of all the neighbors. It was like parading a criminal before a crowd. Ben came in the back door and was quite embarrassed.

It gets weirder…... The officer just drove off…never coming to our door or speaking with me.

Being reasonable, and understanding that boys will be boys, I asked Ben if they had scared anyone or did they shoot in a direction that could be considered dangerous. Ben said we were just shooting at cans in the water.

I called the sheriff’s dispatcher and explained the facts as I knew them. The sergeant in charge made it clear to me that:
1. Ben was breaking no Texas or Harris County laws
2. It is not illegal to openly carry or discharge a BB gun in Harris County, Texas.
3. Also…..he said that they had no reports regarding the misuse of guns or BB guns in the area.
He had no explanation as to why the officer would do this. I thanked him and hung up.

I called my attorney just to verify Ben’s right to carry and use the “offending weapon.” He said the same thing…no crime.

Now my summation is that this is my first direct experience with anti-Red Ryder BB gun political correctness run amuck.

Ben was counseled by me regarding his rights….basically as a kid, he has none and that he is still required to obey and be polite to a policeman…. Not me though….I look forward to the next forced-march of the local 11 year old Red Ryder toting hooligans. Maybe the officer will cuff-em’ this time.

If I ever meet this tuff-guy officer I think I’ll nickname him Officer Nervous and pass the information to the dispatcher. I wonder how long it would take before word got out to his buddies about this. Can’t you just see the other officers at the precinct station razing him saying, “Hey Officer Nervous, you collar any of the Red Ryder desperados today?”
45 posted on 02/17/2003 7:05:01 AM PST by cbkaty
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To: SJackson
Well I've got news for you buddy. If all the gun controls that dont "efect your right to own a rifle or shotgun for hunting" become a reality then what stops them from passing more laws that do "efect your right to own a rifle or shotgun for hunting". People don't understand that the gun control advocets will not stop until all guns are out of all hands period. Its like boiling a live frog. Some frogs say "Crap its getting hotter." then jump out. Then other frogs say, "What are you freaking out about? Its only comfterbly warm."

Some frogs get eaten, some don't.
46 posted on 02/17/2003 7:08:24 AM PST by broadsword (Those who beat there swords into plowshears will plow for those who do not)
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To: cbkaty
Officer Nervous nailed your son because he was probably pretty confident the kids couldn't out-gun him. Otherwise he would have called in the SWAT team for backup.

Hey, this hero probably went off and rewarded himself with a jelly doughnut, for saving the county from future mass sparrow-killings!

47 posted on 02/17/2003 7:09:40 AM PST by brbethke
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To: SJackson
Scoped hunting rifles are already being called sniper rifles. Once the black guns and handguns are gone, the anti-self defense zealots will come for his deer and duck guns. What an idiot. What is sad, is that too many hunters ALREADY feel like this guy does, and see no reason to fight to save the right to keep what they don't own or shoot.
48 posted on 02/17/2003 7:12:12 AM PST by need_a_screen_name
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To: cbkaty
"They" won't be happy till all our boys are wearing dress's!
49 posted on 02/17/2003 7:13:25 AM PST by Ches
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To: SJackson
This is just another effort by a crime-ridden, big city anti-gun mayor to divide and conquer downstate Illinois gun owners. It hasn't worked in the past and it isn't going to work no matter how many times Dildo Daley tries it. Instead, how about a little Chicago night club control, Mr. Daley? How many dead today? 17?
50 posted on 02/17/2003 7:14:29 AM PST by AF68
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