Posted on 02/17/2003 10:41:15 AM PST by stainlessbanner
You guys are a trip. The Soviet Union was recognized. Would you have worked to overthrow it? Try again.
Robert Toombs said otherwise: "The North, at the very first Congress, demanded and received bounties under the name of protection, for every trade, craft, and calling which they pursue, and there is not an artisan in brass, or iron, or wood, or weaver, or spinner in wool or cotton, or a calicomaker, or iron-master, or a coal-owner, in all of the Northern or Middle States, who has not received what he calls the protection of his government on his industry to the extent of from fifteen to two hundred per cent from the year 1791 to this day. They will not strike a blow, or stretch a muscle, without bounties from the government. No wonder they cry aloud for the glorious Union; they have the same reason for praising it, that craftsmen of Ephesus had for shouting, "Great is Diana of the Ephesians," whom all Asia and the world worshipped. By it they got their wealth; by it they levy tribute on honest labor."
As for the rest of your post, cut n' pasting a bunch of documents and bolding a bunch of GEOGRAPHICAL references to the slave states says nothing of the war's causes.
Robert Toombs said otherwise:
Not compelling.
Toombs was present when Aleck Stephens made his speech denouncing tariffs as an irritant. Where are his objections to that speech?
"The next evil that my friend [Toombs, of course] complained of, was the Tariff. Well, let us look at that for a moment. About the time I commenced noticing public matters, this question was agitating the country almost as fearfully as the Slave question now is. In 1832, when I was in college, South Carolina was ready to nullify or secede from the Union on this account. And what have we seen? The tariff no longer distracts the public councils. Reason has triumphed. The present tariff was voted for by Massachusetts and South Carolina. The lion and the lamb lay down together-- every man in the Senate and House from Massachusetts and South Carolina, I think, voted for it, as did my honorable friend himself. And if it be true, to use the figure of speech of my honorable friend, that every man in the North, that works in iron and brass and wood, has his muscle strengthened by the protection of the government, that stimulant was given by his vote, and I believe every other Southern man. So we ought not to complain of that.
[Mr. Toombs: That tariff lessened the duties.]
[Mr. Stephens:] Yes, and Massachusetts, with unanimity, voted with the South to lessen them, and they were made just as low as Southern men asked them to be, and those are the rates they are now at. If reason and argument, with experience, produced such changes in the sentiments of Massachusetts from 1832 to 1857, on the subject of the tariff, may not like changes be effected there by the same means, reason and argument, and appeals to patriotism on the present vexed question? And who can say that by 1875 or 1890, Massachusetts may not vote with South Carolina and Georgia upon all those questions that now distract the country and threaten its peace and existence? I believe in the power and efficiency of truth, in the omnipotence of truth, and its ultimate triumph when properly wielded. (Applause.)"
-- Alexander Stephens, November, 1860
Before Lincoln could even take office, (or the Morrill tariff be voted on) the following occured:
January 4 Alabama militia sieze the U.S. arsenal at Mt. Vernon, AL. Alabama has not yet seceded.
January 5 Alabama militia sieze Ft. Morgan and Ft. Gaines in Mobile Bay.
January 7 Florida militia sieze the Federal fort at St. Augustine. Florida has not yet seceded.
January 8 Florida militia attempting to sieze Ft. Barrancas are driven off by Federal troops.
January 9 South Carolina militia fire on US merchant vessel Star of the West, preventing reinforcement and resupply of Ft. Sumter garrison.
Mississippi secedes.
January 10 Louisiana militia sieze all Federal forts and arsenals in the state. Louisiana has not yet seceded.
Florida (belatedly) secedes. Federal troops abandon Ft. Barrancas.
North Carolina militia capture Ft. Johnson and Ft. Caswell. North Carolina has not yet seceded.
January 11 Alabama (belatedly) secedes.
January 12 Florida militia demands the surrender of Federal troops in Ft. Pickens. The demand is refused.
Mississippi fortifies Vicksburg and closes the Mississippi River to all traffic. Mississippi is the only state on the river, at this point, which has seceded.
January 19 Georgia secedes.
January 21 Mississippi militia sieze Ft. Massachussetts and Ship Island.
January 25 Georgia militia sieze the federal arsenal at Augusta. North Carolina calls for a referendum on secession.
January 26 Georgia militia sieze Ft. Jackson and Oglethorpe Barracks.
Louisiana (belatedly) secedes.
January 31 The U.S. Mint in New Orleans is siezed by Louisiana militia.
February 1 Texas submits an article of secession to popular referendum for February 23.
February 4 Delegates from the six seceded states meet in Montgomery to form the Confederate States of America.
February 9 Tennessee rejects secession in popular referendum by a large margin.
February 16 Texas militia sieze the federal arsenal at San Antonio. Texas has not yet seceded.
February 18 Texas militia besiege Federal army headquarters for Texas in San Antonio and force the surrender of over 3,000 troops. Texas has -still- not seceded.
Jefferson Davis inaugurated as President of the Confederacy.
February 21 The Confederate Provisional Congress orders Mississippi to end the blockade at Vicksburg.
February 23 Texas voters approve secession by a 75% majority, secession to take effect March 2 (Texas Independence Day).
February 28 North Carolina voters narrowly reject secession (by fewer than 1,000 votes).
March 2 Texas's secession takes effect; that same day, Texas is admitted into the Confederacy.
March 3 The militia units in Charleston Harbor are taken under Confederate authority.
The slave power knew what it was doing.
And it had nothing to do with tariffs.
Lincoln was a hated man in the south because he showed conclusively in his Cooper Union speech of 2/27/60 that a clear majority of the framers of the government favored an end to slavery. The conspiracy to overthrow the lawful government went into high gear from that moment.
But as we know, the Militia Act of 1792 allows the president to call out the militia of the several states to oppose insurrection against a state or the United States. The rebellion never had a chance as long as the American people were willing to oppose it. The slave power gambled all, and they lost all.
Walt
Still you're mistaken in your claim. Not a single country, not Great Britain, not France, not the Papal States, ever recognized the confederacy as an independent, sovereign nation.
Recognizing the confederacy as an area in rebellion and recognition of the confederacy as an independent and sovereign nation in her own right are two very different things. And the fact of the matter is that nobody ever recognized the confederacy as independent or established diplomatic relations with her. Nobody. Not the Pope, not the British, nobody. Their reasoning is simple, Seward made it clear that any nation bestowing diplomatic recognition on the confederacy ran the risk of war with the United States, and nobody believed that the confederacy stood enough of a chance of success to justify the risk. I can suggest "One War At A Time: The International Dimensions of the American Civil War" by Dean Mahin for a concise overview of the diplomatic dimension of the rebellion and the Lincoln Administration's foreign policy.
Incorrect. The Pope recognized the confederacy. He was the lone power to do so, though, I might add, also the power that established the precedent of recognizing government legitimacy about 1000 years prior.
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