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SCHRODER COVERED UP IRAQI SMALLPOX STOCKPILING !!!!
Frankfurter Allgemeiner Zeitung /Andrew Sullivan ^ | Feb 17, 2003 | In German

Posted on 02/17/2003 3:01:51 PM PST by The Raven

WHAT SCHRODER COVERED UP:

Astonishing piece in the Frankfurter Allgemeiner Zeitung today. Just before the German elections last year, German intelligence found very serious evidence of Iraq's stockpiling of smallpox bioweapons. The report came with a "high degree of confidence." The piece alleges that Schroder helped bury the report, so as not to get him off-message during his anti-American campaign. I'm afraid I can't seem to find the story in the English language edition of the FAZ. But here's the German version.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: germany; iraq; smallpox; weasels
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1 posted on 02/17/2003 3:01:51 PM PST by The Raven
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To: The Raven
German link is broke
2 posted on 02/17/2003 3:03:17 PM PST by eabinga
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To: The Raven
What is our German freepers name Michael??
3 posted on 02/17/2003 3:04:11 PM PST by Dog
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To: eabinga
Hmmm...works for me.....
4 posted on 02/17/2003 3:04:32 PM PST by The Raven (Liberalism: The dream world called denial)
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To: The Raven
Shame on Schroeder!!!! Aiding and abetting the enemy!!!! We will not forget this!!!!
5 posted on 02/17/2003 3:04:47 PM PST by Defender2 (Defending Our Bill of Rights, Our Constitution, Our Country and Our Freedom!!!!)
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To: eabinga
Can you read German..if so let me see it I can kind the story.
6 posted on 02/17/2003 3:04:53 PM PST by Dog
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To: The Raven
If true, and it probably is, this is dynamite.

Thank's for posting it.

7 posted on 02/17/2003 3:05:06 PM PST by thinktwice
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To: Dog
Maybe get a web-based german translation? I'd do it - but I'm off to dinner
8 posted on 02/17/2003 3:05:26 PM PST by The Raven (Liberalism: The dream world called denial)
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To: The Raven; longjack
Longjack posted this the other day with a very good tranlsation.

Major German Paper (FAZ): German Government Knows Iraq Has Biologicals

9 posted on 02/17/2003 3:05:51 PM PST by LBGA
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To: The Raven
Of course he'd cover up something like that up. He's in the business of continuing Hitler's work, which is the extermination of all Jews. Knowing that Saddam will eventually use these weapons on Israel, Schroeder can escape all blame when someone else does his dirty work for him.
10 posted on 02/17/2003 3:06:56 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Dog; Michael81Dus
Ping!

Here ya' go, Dog.

11 posted on 02/17/2003 3:07:54 PM PST by dixiechick2000 (I heart "New" Europe!)
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To: Dog
Michael181, isn't it? I know longjack usually translates German stuff for us.
12 posted on 02/17/2003 3:08:16 PM PST by geedee
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To: The Raven
I think we have threads going here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/844676/posts

and here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/844276/posts

13 posted on 02/17/2003 3:08:28 PM PST by eabinga
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To: eabinga
This looks like it.

FAZ..Bundesregierung verscwieg gefahr

FAZ is keeping the pressure on.

I wonder if we should German ping this.

longjack

14 posted on 02/17/2003 3:09:44 PM PST by longjack
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To: Michael81Dus
Can you find us this article and post it here..
15 posted on 02/17/2003 3:09:58 PM PST by Dog
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To: The Raven
Schroeder was one of Clinton's closest "Third Way" (i.e. global government) allies.
16 posted on 02/17/2003 3:12:04 PM PST by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: longjack
Can you translate that article for us..
17 posted on 02/17/2003 3:12:12 PM PST by Dog
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To: The Raven
There's an article that just came out called "Schroder is hiding the truth" in the WSJ. I don't have subscription.
18 posted on 02/17/2003 3:12:41 PM PST by knak
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To: longjack
Isn't this the same one we had yesterday? Really doesnt matter, it cant be pointed out enough.


19 posted on 02/17/2003 3:12:43 PM PST by eabinga
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To: The Raven

While we wait, also from the FAZ: "No war in Iraq!" [smallpox falling?]

20 posted on 02/17/2003 3:13:51 PM PST by LurkedLongEnough
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To: eabinga
Yes. It is very similiar. The dateline on this story is 18 February. They may be making the story available for non-Sonntagszeitung readers. This story has an author, also.

I saw earlier today that ABC ran it. Dis FOX?

longjack

21 posted on 02/17/2003 3:15:50 PM PST by longjack
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To: eabinga
This is NOT the FAZ article, but related:

BERLIN, Feb 17 (Reuters) - The German government sought on Monday to play down weekend media reports that health ministry officials warned privately last August of the risk of a smallpox attack should war break out in Iraq.

Health and Social Security Minister Ulla Schmidt told reporters on the margins of a meeting of the ruling Social Democrats that any threat remained "abstract" and was not backed up by concrete evidence.

Germany's Frankfurter Allgemeine Sonntagszeitung newspaper on Sunday published extracts from what it said was an internal health ministry report from August 2002 warning of the risks of a smallpox attack.

"It has to be feared that in such a case (a U.S.-led war on Iraq) that Iraq would react with its available biological weapons, including smallpox," the newspaper quoted the report as saying.

The government did not deny the authenticity of the report on Monday.

Germany's conservative opposition, which has long accused the government of failing to take precautions against a possible smallpox attack and has criticised Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder's anti-war stance, seized on the report, saying it would press for an emergency parliamentary debate on Wednesday.

However, the head of the country's respected public health laboratory, the Robert Koch Institute, backed the government's assessment that any threat was remote.

"We see a very, very small risk," Robert Koch Institute President Reinhard Kurth told ARD television. "We see no need for preventative inoculation as long as there is not a single case of smallpox in the world."

Kurth added he was not worried about reports Iraq may have isolated a form of smallpox that affects camels. "If a human were to be infected they could not pass it on...It's not a virus that we have to be worried about," he said.

The government recently announced plans to acquire 100 million doses of smallpox vaccine, more than enough to vaccinate the 82 million-strong population.

A German health ministry spokesman said between 36 and 38 million shots had already been acquired. The goal of 100 million doses should be reached by the end of 2003, he added.
22 posted on 02/17/2003 3:16:18 PM PST by eabinga
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To: eabinga
And another, also NOT the FAZ article:


BERLIN (AP) - The German government said Sunday it exaggerated the threat of Saddam Hussein's weapons programs in an internal report last year that claimed Iraq has smallpox stocks and could use them in germ warfare.

The Health Ministry said it drafted the statement in August to back up funding requests for the stockpiling of smallpox vaccine. But it denied that German intelligence has evidence of Iraqi smallpox stocks, contradicting the report's central assertion.

Nonetheless, opposition leaders seized on the statement's publication in a Sunday newspaper to renew charges that Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder's government was playing down the Iraqi threat in public to avoid undermining its anti-war stand.

The internal report warned that a smallpox outbreak could kill about 25 million people - nearly a third of the population - in Germany alone, according to a copy published in the Frankfurter Allgemeine Sonntagszeitung.

``German intelligence has documented evidence that smallpox samples are stockpiled'' in Iraq, the health officials wrote.

But Health Ministry spokesman Klaus Vater said that while the officials drew on intelligence reports, their risk assessment was hypothetical, ``drastic and imprecise.''

``The Health Ministry had no documented evidence about smallpox samples in Iraq, and it has none now,'' Vater said in a statement.

Germany's top security official, Interior Minister Otto Schily, said German intelligence has no evidence of Iraqi germ warfare stockpiles.

The revelations reignited a bitter dispute between Schroeder's government and the conservative opposition about whether Germans are being told the full truth about the threat posed by Iraq.

Since crushing Schroeder's Social Democratic party in two state elections this month, the conservatives have aligned more closely with U.S. pressure for military action. They accuse Schroeder's government of withholding intelligence on Iraq from the public - a charge the government rejects.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-2410067,00.html
23 posted on 02/17/2003 3:18:08 PM PST by eabinga
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To: The Raven
today's version simply reads: German government calls for vaccination program even though usa, britain know there's really no danger.
24 posted on 02/17/2003 3:18:40 PM PST by inland (news website)
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To: Dog
Dog:

This isn't the same article as today's, but they are very similiar. This is the translation.

Major German Paper (FAZ): German Government Knows Iraq Has Biologicals

longjack

25 posted on 02/17/2003 3:19:49 PM PST by longjack
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To: Torie
More dastardly deeds by the Germans.
26 posted on 02/17/2003 3:20:38 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: eabinga
btt
27 posted on 02/17/2003 3:21:17 PM PST by TEXOKIE
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To: Michael81Dus
(((PING)))
28 posted on 02/17/2003 3:24:02 PM PST by areafiftyone (The U.N. is now officially irrelevant! The building is for Sale!!!)
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To: The Raven
Now we know Germany's angle. Now we need to find out what France and Belgium are into.

France probably doesn't want us to find out that they've been giving Iraq arms in violation of UN sanctions. Belgium probably doesn't want to upset their large raghead population. We'll find out what these countries are into and they need to be harshly punished.

29 posted on 02/17/2003 3:27:58 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: The Raven
absolutely wonderfully excellent post. thanks. kinda stuff we need to know.
30 posted on 02/17/2003 3:30:09 PM PST by FreeTheHostages
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To: longjack
I saw earlier today that ABC ran it. Dis FOX?

Fox just reported it on TV

31 posted on 02/17/2003 3:34:13 PM PST by eabinga
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
Brit Hume just mentioned this story Fox..
32 posted on 02/17/2003 3:34:28 PM PST by Dog
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To: The Raven; Dog
Here are free translation Web sites. Knock yourselves out. No, don't.

http://www.word2word.com/free.html
http://www.e-latin.com/Translation.htm

I think the translation is basically "Schroder... a socialist war crime accessory in the making?"
33 posted on 02/17/2003 3:35:34 PM PST by unspun (Christ-informed, American constitutional republic = Yes. Libertarian & objectivist revisionism = No.)
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To: Dog
Good deal. It's time to bust Germany HARD.
34 posted on 02/17/2003 3:35:36 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: longjack
FOX?

Brit Hume just had this on 'The Grapevive' segment.

35 posted on 02/17/2003 3:37:06 PM PST by StriperSniper (Frogs are for gigging)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
"France probably doesn't want us to find out that they've been giving Iraq arms in violation of UN sanctions."

I'll bump to that as the most likely. . .also, maybe the fact that there are now more Muslims than Christians in France threatens them a bit as well. . .

36 posted on 02/17/2003 3:39:23 PM PST by cricket
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To: StriperSniper
Actually, I got a copy of the original German report and I translated one sentence: "I want a Jewish lampshade."
37 posted on 02/17/2003 3:39:30 PM PST by jraven
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To: jraven
Bush didn't order 300,000,000 doses of smallpox vacine without knowing something like this.
38 posted on 02/17/2003 3:48:06 PM PST by BigBobber
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To: jraven
Actually, I got a copy of the original German report and I translated one sentence: "I want a Jewish lampshade."

It went on to say, "These Jews have nuclear weapons. Do you realize how they'll use them to outsmart us Europeans and rob us of our power and money? They always do that, you know -- and they have nukes now, don't you see?"

39 posted on 02/17/2003 3:49:22 PM PST by unspun (Christ-informed, American constitutional republic = Yes. Libertarian & objectivist revisionism = No.)
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To: Dog
"What is our German freepers name Michael??"

Michael81Dus


40 posted on 02/17/2003 3:49:23 PM PST by RepublicanHippy
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To: The Raven
Remember, people in our intell community were saying they cant share everything with the public? Maybe this is one reason; Powell and the CIA have this info, but would be very uncomfortable letting Germany know we are spying on them. Esp when we are trying to get them to go along with us in the U.N. Just a theory.
41 posted on 02/17/2003 3:54:25 PM PST by menotyu (Courage is not the absence of fear, it's the conquering of it !)
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To: eabinga
In this article under the paragraph Planspiele der Innenminister, experts from the BND and BfV say they have evidence in their possesion that Saddam is training suicide bombers. These Iraqis, along with Al-Qaida, Palastinians and Irani Mujahedeen, are considered a grave threat.

There's other information besides that.

N24..Die Bedrohung Steigt

longjack

42 posted on 02/17/2003 3:58:30 PM PST by longjack
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To: geedee; americanbychoice
Ping...can you help with a German translation?
43 posted on 02/17/2003 3:59:46 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: thinktwice
Yes, and it proves what Rush was saying today. He said that there has to be some really major reason that the French and Germans do not want war in Iraq.

Rush reasoned it was because there is tons of evidence that both countries have been hiding information about Iraq (which the story proves), or else there is tons of evidence both countries have asisted Iraq in acquiring and building its nuclear capabilities.
44 posted on 02/17/2003 4:05:30 PM PST by CyberAnt ( Yo! Syracuse)
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To: longjack
Look at what I just found. Doesn't have much to do with the topic, but look how cozy Schröder was with the top member of the East-German Politbüro.

http://www.mental-ray.de/Mental-Ray/schroeder_krenz_brief.jpg
45 posted on 02/17/2003 4:10:26 PM PST by eabinga
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To: The Raven
Here's a babelfish translation.

Fear of Scuds and assassins Israel, the United States, Great Britain, France wappnen themselves against smallpox notices joeb.

JERUSALEM, 17. February. Since end past yearly debates Israel a preventing inoculation against the smallpox. The nation is convinced of the fact that the Iraq Israel citizen with that can actually contaminate disappeared believed illness. Of the spreading of the exciter by Scud rockets or drones one does not only think.

The illness could be spread also over an assassin, is feared. Nevertheless the government could not struggle through itself to let the entire nation inoculate. It is however sufficiently vaccine for the emergency available, and it gives sufficient time with an attack, in order to after-inoculate, it is said.

So far nevertheless about 20,000 Israelis, above all the medical personnel were immunisiert. Yehuda Danon of the University of Tel Aviv, which advises the American military in this thing, reports on only one handful of Israeli patients, who are gotten sick after the inoculation at smallpox. Certainly each third is particularly tired, a third has head or pains of the joints.

Also speaker Ido Hadari in the Ministry of Health holds the dangers of an inoculation for small: One of the four victims was a child, who seized into the fresh inoculation wound of its father.

46 posted on 02/17/2003 4:12:45 PM PST by gorebegone
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To: eabinga
Getting tips in the "DDR" on how to run his camapign?

Wow.

longjack

47 posted on 02/17/2003 4:14:23 PM PST by longjack
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To: knak
Let me take a peek at the WSJ
48 posted on 02/17/2003 4:22:56 PM PST by The Raven (Liberalism: The dream world called denial)
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To: The Raven
Gerhard is gonna need a new Helmudt.
49 posted on 02/17/2003 4:25:07 PM PST by Carry_Okie (Because there are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Myrddin
look at yesterday posts, article(s) already translated. German hypocrosy.
Don't like germans? make an exeption for this guy.
Germany says it exaggerated smallpox risk.
50 posted on 02/17/2003 4:30:40 PM PST by americanbychoice
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