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Iran Says Would Confront U.S. Jets in Its Airspace
Reuters ^ | February 19, 2003

Posted on 02/19/2003 6:50:39 PM PST by Mossad1967

TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran's defense minister said on Wednesday its forces would "confront" any U.S. aircraft that used its airspace during possible strikes on neighboring Iraq. Iran, branded a sponsor of terrorism by Washington, opposes any military operation against Iraq and has repeatedly urged Baghdad to cooperate with U.N. arms inspectors "to remove any pretext" Washington might use to launch a war.

"We will defend our airspace and will not let America violate our airspace while attacking Iraq," Defense Minister Ali Shamkhani told reporters.


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To: plymaniac
A pro-American regime is far from established in Afghanistan. The regime we support exercises little power outside of Kabul, and the warlords are loyal only to their pocketbooks. There are plenty of them that are perfectly willing to let Taliban train in their mountains. We need to do a lot more to help that country before we can declare victory there.
51 posted on 02/19/2003 8:11:36 PM PST by RonF
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To: Mossad1967
Bring it on!!!!!!!!
52 posted on 02/19/2003 8:12:17 PM PST by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: klpt
we sold AIM-54's to the Shah for his F-14A's? ... wow ..
53 posted on 02/19/2003 8:16:26 PM PST by Bobby777
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To: Mossad1967
Do these guys realize that we have Navy pilots that can take down a fighter jet with an unarmed surveillance plane?
54 posted on 02/19/2003 8:18:23 PM PST by ConservativeLawyer (Liberate Iraq (and Iran))
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To: concerned about politics
I read Clinton's statement contained in your link.

It's the usual Clinton BS designed to cover his rear end. But it doesn't deal with the long range strategic plan that I think President Bush is pursuing which is defeating the terrorists through attrition and democratization.

Clinton should have engaged the terrorists strategically.

Of course, he didn't. Wouldn't have been cool.
55 posted on 02/19/2003 8:19:44 PM PST by plymaniac
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To: Mossad1967
Bwahahahahahaha!!!!

With what?

The Iranian AF is a toothless tiger. The best birds they have are some old worn-out Tomcats that have not seen a proper maintenance technician since before the revolution.

If they want to take one of those tired old birds up against a USN pilot, I am sure we will send the pilot directly to paradise.
56 posted on 02/19/2003 8:21:38 PM PST by Ronin
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To: Mossad1967
Iran Says Would Confront U.S. Jets in Its Airspace

With what? Rocks?

58 posted on 02/19/2003 8:23:38 PM PST by AndrewC
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To: freedumb2003
Achmed, Mohammed and Akbar, three experienced shepherds hire a new hand Ali for a drive through the desert. Ali, being a newlywed, after a few weeks asks the other three "What do you do for woman in desert ?"
"Take sheep" says Achmed, "Ahh, sheep" squeels Mohammed, "lamb" says Akbar while puckering his lips.

"You guys nuts, I no believe" shouts Ali as he storms off.

A few weeks later he asks again and receives the same reply. He says "Really ?, I do not believe." to which the shepherds say "we have all done it."

The next night shortly after dinner Ali sneaks off to the the far edge of the herd, and thinking himself to be alone, forces his affection upon a sheep. Before finishing, he sees the three shepherds on a nearby ridge pointing at him and laughing hysterically.

He leaves his four legged friend and charges the still laughing arabs while shouting "by the sword of allah I will have your heads for tricking me !"

When he reaches with fists clenched the shepherds who are now crying and rolling on the ground from laughing so hard, Mohammed says "No, we all really have done it, you just picked the UGLIEST SHEEP in the whole flock !"

59 posted on 02/19/2003 8:24:33 PM PST by SENTINEL
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To: DugwayDuke
Sorry, I didn't plagiarize. I did not read the thread as my response was immediate to the headline.
60 posted on 02/19/2003 8:26:17 PM PST by AndrewC
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To: RonF
I am sure there is still a lot of work to do in Afghanistan.

In my opinion, the first objective of the Bush Plan was to eliminate Afghanistan as an asset controlled by the terrorists. That's basically been achieved.

The second objective is to establish Afghanistan as a pro-US nation, regardless of leadership or form of government. That's what we are trying to achieve now.

The third objective will be to establish a healthy and independent capitalist democracy. This appears to be the type of society that doesn't engage in, or welcome, terorism.
61 posted on 02/19/2003 8:29:37 PM PST by plymaniac
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To: Norvokov
What are you talking about?? The Israelis want us to go after Iran before Iraq. Even they say that Iran is a bigger purveyor of terrorism. Our government isn't doing anything to please foreign countries, except allow more inspections to make the French happy.
62 posted on 02/19/2003 9:00:20 PM PST by graycamel
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To: SENTINEL
LOLOLOL
63 posted on 02/19/2003 9:00:43 PM PST by freedumb2003
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To: nomorecameljocks
I am sure the prospect of a confrontation with Iran's air force has our USAF and USN guys shaking in their boots.

Wonder if the mullahs are going to use those Iraqi jets that bugged out to Iran when our air forces made Iraqi skies too hot for them last time?

64 posted on 02/19/2003 9:13:19 PM PST by TXnMA ((No Longer!!!))
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To: nomorecameljocks
Open-Source Iranian Air Force:

F-4D
J7II (F7 China)
F1 Mirage (Iraqi/French) flown over during Gulf War
T-33
MiG 23 (from Iraq/Gulf War)
MiG 27
MiG 29
F-5 E/F
F-14
Su-22 (40 from Iraq/Gulf War)
Su-24
Su-25

Granted, not a formidable air force, but it ain't Iraq. Those Mig 29s are top-notch platforms.

65 posted on 02/19/2003 9:14:12 PM PST by Per-Ling
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To: klpt
Nice target drone photo...
66 posted on 02/19/2003 9:16:24 PM PST by TXnMA ((No Longer!!!))
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To: nomorecameljocks
nations who are busy finding women to stone for committing adultery, and castrating their little girls for the glory of allah don't have time for no stinkin' jet airplane maintenance...

I find their threats... ridiculous on one hand and pathetic on the other, as I consider that 302 of their most dedicated soldiers, paid in blood for their lack of competence in the arena of powered flight.

I guess every little doggie has their day. They have to bitch at somebody, may as well be us, right?
67 posted on 02/19/2003 9:20:58 PM PST by Robert_Paulson2 (clintonsgotusbytheballs?)
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To: carvedwood
Note that Iraq is the least Muslim of all the Arab world , it is the most western of them all and yet it is Iraq we seek to destroy ...

Iraq is the most socialist, however.

68 posted on 02/19/2003 9:21:13 PM PST by ez (WHERE'S THE POLLING DATA ON THE ESTRADA FILIBUSTER???)
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To: Mossad1967
Cool; I hope we settle all these old scores.
69 posted on 02/19/2003 9:22:38 PM PST by Porterville
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To: Mossad1967
The empty can makes the most noise. Line 'em up.
70 posted on 02/19/2003 9:23:32 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham
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To: Destro
>>>and speak and Indo-European langauge not a Semitic one like Arabic

Iran's language is called Farsi. I would bet there are a lot of good jokes to follow.

snooker
72 posted on 02/19/2003 9:46:14 PM PST by snooker
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To: snooker
Farsi is one of many if I remember - I don't remember if all the other Iranian langauges qualify as distinct languages or just Farsi dialects.
73 posted on 02/19/2003 9:49:39 PM PST by Destro ("The past isn't dead. In fact, it isn't even past." - William Faulkner)
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To: Mossad1967
Journal of the Air Force Association:

Today, Iran has only about 150 aging US-built aircraft left. These include 66 F-4D/Es and 25 F-14-A/Bs, which are about 60 percent serviceable, according to a net assessment drawn up by Cordesman. Iran has long tried to evade the US embargo on parts for these airplanes by purchasing through third parties.

The backbones of the Iranian air force today are 24 Su-24 Fencers and 30 MiG-29 Fulcrums. These Soviet-era aircraft are about 80 percent serviceable, claims Cordesman. If Iran acquires a nuclear weapon, the Fencers could be used as an interim delivery capability, pending perfection of an adequate ballistic missile.

Iranian units also include 14 RF-4E and five P-3F reconnaissance aircraft. The air force has a limited aerial refueling capability. Air defense relies mainly on 100 Hawk missiles from the Shah's era, with a scattering of newer, shorter-range Soviet- and Chinese-made models.


Iran has about 25 F-14s dating from the Shah's reign. Third-party purchasing has helped keep some of the Iranian fleet in service, despite the US embargo on replacement parts.
74 posted on 02/19/2003 9:49:46 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: Das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: Mossad1967
The US State Department has judged Iran the world's most active state sponsor of terrorist acts, with both Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps and Ministry of Intelligence and Security providing planning, funds, and weapons.

And 302 of those fellows are in Allah's anteroom.

Let's see, three hundred two times seventy-two vermin equals twenty-one thousand seven hundred forty-four vermin.

75 posted on 02/19/2003 9:53:48 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: Das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: Destro
Yeah, there are a few different languages in Iran. Turkish, Arabic, and the Persian dialects of Birjandi, Khorasani, Larestani, Shirazi, Delijani, Jewish Esfehani, Behdini, Bakhtiari, Lori, Aftari, Semnani, Keladarshti, Mazandarani, Gilaki, Taleshi, Pashto, and Dari. A linguists playground!
76 posted on 02/19/2003 10:03:08 PM PST by Per-Ling
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To: Destro
Farsi is the offical government language. I know, we sold them printers. It's a bitch to make them printers print that script.

snookers.
77 posted on 02/19/2003 10:03:34 PM PST by snooker
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To: Norvokov
Iran should be first, not Iraq. Iran is the real enemy.

When Iraq goes, Iran goes up in revolution.

Unfortunately we have a bunch of neo-cons who are in bed with the Likud in our government. Americans shouldn't have to fight and die for Israel.

Aren't you late for a cross-burning?

78 posted on 02/19/2003 10:05:37 PM PST by Poohbah (Beware the fury of a patient man -- John Dryden)
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To: All
just some iranian pilots, our wonderful AMERICAN pilots can send away in a blaze ... to a blaze ... and not having to worry about them later.
79 posted on 02/19/2003 10:35:23 PM PST by DUH (Prayers for W ... our troops ... and the wonderful freepers! ... John 14:14)
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To: Mossad1967
We and Israel could divide up their planes for training shoots. It would be like an expert shooting skeet. I can just hear the Israeli, US and UK pilots hollering "Pull!" to signal the Iranian target planes to do something stupid.

That would take about 1.2 days to splash or crash everyone of them.

Iran, Syria and N. Korea will have to go up to the Deli and take a number and wait their turn.
80 posted on 02/19/2003 11:18:45 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Stamp out Freepathons! Stop being a Freep Loader! Become a monthly donor!)
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To: Noslrac
Actually, I think that was the first major action by the people of Iran who are about to handle the Murdering Mullahs of Iran and their Revolutionary Guards, of which there are at least 250 less tonight.

Once Soddomite is dead or goes to Russia or whereever in Exile, the good people of Iran will handle the situation in Iran for us. Heads of the Murdering Mullahs and Revolutionary Guards will be on pikes all over Iran.
81 posted on 02/19/2003 11:23:00 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Stamp out Freepathons! Stop being a Freep Loader! Become a monthly donor!)
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To: Orion78
well there's a list that is hard to argue with...

smirk.
82 posted on 02/19/2003 11:25:00 PM PST by bonesmccoy (Defeat the terrorists... Vaccinate!)
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To: Bobby777
we sold AIM-54's to the Shah for his F-14A's? ... wow ..

Well we expected them to be firing them at Jews, not Americans...

84 posted on 02/19/2003 11:32:54 PM PST by American in Israel (Right beats wrong)
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To: All
I'm sure that every Navy Pilot and in particuliar our top gun air jocks when they hear this from the Murdering Mullahs are saying just one thing:

Please Lord Make my Day, and send 5 of these Iranian bozos up at me. It will be my only opportunity to become an ace!


85 posted on 02/19/2003 11:33:09 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Stamp out Freepathons! Stop being a Freep Loader! Become a monthly donor!)
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To: Grampa Dave
Actually, Grampa, the Iranians won't even know we overflew them on the way to targets ... stealth don'tcha know! Now, if they want to bluster and bring the stealth bombers over their arifields while they sleep with their Korans, well, so be it.
86 posted on 02/20/2003 1:20:27 AM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: Per-Ling
Very informative, Though I doubt that their pilots would try to engage us. I'm thinking S.A.M.s, got any info on their anti-aircraft capabilities?
87 posted on 02/20/2003 5:44:34 AM PST by zygoat
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To: ConservativeLawyer
Good one! lol!
88 posted on 02/20/2003 5:45:27 AM PST by zygoat
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To: Norvokov
Quotes from you:

"Iran should be first, not Iraq. Iran is the real enemy. Unfortunately we have a bunch of neo-cons who are in bed with the Likud in our government. Americans shouldn't have to fight and die for Israel"

Response:

Israel doesnt expect Americans to fight and die for them. Thats why they have a first class military with excellent capabilities. They are only a country of 5 million surrounded by 271 million screaming arabs who want them dead however, and the US is their ally.

Additionally, the US government, last time I checked, was not ran by the Israeli government or Israeli political parties.

The allusion that "the Jews run everything" is usually associated with anti-semitism. Is that the real point of this statement?

Every modern genocidal movement has started with anti-semitism as its banner uniting feature. You may want to remember that.

89 posted on 02/20/2003 5:47:44 AM PST by judicial meanz ( socialism- its a mental disorder, not a political view.)
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To: Mossad1967
"Iran Says Would Confront U.S. Jets in Its Airspace"

With what?
Worn-out Russian airliners?

90 posted on 02/20/2003 6:14:18 AM PST by Redbob
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To: Mossad1967
once, and only once
93 posted on 02/20/2003 6:21:21 AM PST by The Wizard (Demonrats are enemies of America)
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To: plymaniac
I agree with your analysis. I'd agree that in many areas of Afghanistan, the first objective has been achieved. While the jury is still out on some of the more remote warlord-controlled areas, it's nowhere near as centralized and sophisticated as it was before.

What I worry about is the progress along the 2nd and 3rd objectives, and our willingness to spend the time, money, and people needed to achieve them.
94 posted on 02/20/2003 6:26:50 AM PST by RonF
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To: Destro
Iranians are not Arabs they are akin to Persians and speak and Indo-European langauge not a Semitic one like Arabic. Iranians are Shi'ite Muslims and for the most part Arabs are Sunnis.

Details, details. They all suck and they all hate us. And we owe them big time. Let the games begin.

96 posted on 02/20/2003 6:37:01 AM PST by buccaneer81 (Plus de fromage, s'il vous plait...)
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To: Mossad1967
Ah!

Sounds like a "twofer."

Dan
97 posted on 02/20/2003 6:38:09 AM PST by BibChr
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To: buccaneer81
I am just saying, know your enemy.
98 posted on 02/20/2003 6:38:56 AM PST by Destro ("The past isn't dead. In fact, it isn't even past." - William Faulkner)
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To: Mossad1967

Iran Says Would Confront U.S. Jets in Its Airspace

That's a great idea....if you want to die.

99 posted on 02/20/2003 8:31:44 AM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (This space for rent, call 555-8703.)
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