We must counter the "Virtual March" on washington. Here is one possible way of doing so.

[Michaelman]

Martin Sheen and other actors have launced a major campaign. On February 26th, every Senate office will receive a call every minute from a constituent, as they receive a simultaneous flood of faxes and e-mail. Hundreds of thousands of people from across the country will send the collective message: Don't Attack Iraq.

We must counter that by using the resouces they provide. The organizations is using the website called www.truemajority.com. I went to this site to see how they plan on carrying this mission out. Basically, they have a page where you give your personal information and then send. But, there is a message that is provided that you can change. This is what I did.

The message contains statements like, "It appears that the Administration is looking for an excuse to go to war, when a peaceful and just solution may be at hand." Yes, we all know that peace is the only way to bring down Saddam. Right!

So just do a little editing of that statement to read something like this, " Saddam Hussain has had 12 years to comply, his time is up and I completely support the President's initiatives to topple his regime. I believe that Saddam will never comply, and that he poses a great threat to the world".

You know, you can put what ever you want in the message box. Just make sure they are reasonable comments.

Anyway, I hope that this will work. If anybody else has any more ideas, they would be welcomed.

I tried to find the email address for moveon.org, which is organizing this event, but failed to do so. I was think that on the date we could flood the email systems. Give it to them, like they are giving it to washington.

I hope this helps.

-Michaelman

[Michaelman]

I am sure that there might be some other possible ways to do this, does anybody have any suggestions?

[finnman69]

go away troll

[Michaelman]

another thing is to write directly to the US government on the same day, to show your support for the war.

[RippleFire]

BUMP

[Michaelman]

This will work. I have posted this on many other sites. I am quite sure that we can counter this little campaign with overwhelming success.

[Adder]

Question: If we use their site to make comments, won't they say that X-number sent messages and then claim what a huge success it was? The recipients will no doubt not actually read the formula messages. We would just be feeding their totals even tho the messages were supportive of the President.

[Michaelman]

I thought about that.

But this is my solution to that problem.

I have contacted Sen Kay Bailey Hutchinson and told her about this initiative. I told her that not all of the faxes coming in will be anti-war. This in itself will damper the results of the virtual march.

As long as people use the site to show their support for war, there is no way that the site moveon.org will be able to authenticate their results. It will be completely skewed.

I would probably send a letter to your senator as well and let them know they will be recieving a fax from a supporter.


Does this help?

[Michaelman]

besides, the senator that your fax goes to will know the truth, thats all that matters. They will see whatever comment you provided.

[First_Salute]

Read all about it at The Hamster, and more than you'll find at the Democrat Underground.

[First_Salute]

Troll?

[Defiant]

I have some other ideas:

1. Flood the switchboards of NBC and its affiliates when "West Wing" is on.

2. Contact the advertisers on that show and tell them that they are indirectly supporting an anti-American traitor.

3. Create a ribbon design that can be worn without being obtrusive, and which matches a ribbon that you put on your car, house, bike, kids backpacks, etc. The ribbon signifies "Protect America. Disarm Iraq now. Support the troops and the USA."

4. Organize a nationwide march in favor of protecting the US from terrorists.

[generationgop]

I agree, we should have someone put together a plan of action, i.e. e-mail lists, contacts, etc. who can get the word out to counter this cyber march.

In fact, it may be beneficial to develop a counter "name" and short message to accompany the counter march...

We just need three or four people to head it up.

[Charles Martel]

the senator that your fax goes to will know the truth, thats all that matters. They will see whatever comment you provided.

A bit of caution is in order. Many of these e-mail and fax generators put in a pre-programmed header message that cannot be changed. Your message may contradict the header, but guess which pile the senator's staff puts your message in?

We need to set up our own system as we did during Election 2000 "Overtime". Who has the faxblaster link?

[Mo1]

On February 26th, every Senate office will receive a call every minute from a constituent, as they receive a simultaneous flood of faxes and e-mail. Hundreds of thousands of people from across the country will send the collective message

EVERY Minute ???

Something tells me this is going to backfire on these idiots

[Mad Dawgg]

"Anyway, I hope that this will work. If anybody else has any more ideas, they would be welcomed."

No it won't work in fact it will help the Virtual March Movement because their Message is first on the Virtual Fax no matter what you alter! I tested it already so don't fall for this you all!

Admin Mod you may want to look into correcting this thread!

[Mad Dawgg]

"A bit of caution is in order. Many of these e-mail and fax generators put in a pre-programmed header message that cannot be changed."

Correct and In fact on this one they put the enitre Anti-war screed at the top of the fax. I tested it and got their automated reply back on my e-mail. It puts their message first and your message way at the bottom of the fax!

[Michaelman]

Believe me, I don't agree with the objectives of moveon.org.

I thought that this might be the best way to launch a counter offensive.

In fact, just writing your senator could do the trick. You don't have to do it the way that I have suggested.

I am not trying to trick anyone.

My point is, as long as the senators know that the message might be different from the header, isn't that all that matters?

[Michaelman]

How could you have tested it, when the fax goes to a senator not you?

[Michaelman]

When it asked to send this to your friends I sent one copy to myslef this is what it said.


I just sent a message to the US senate showing my support for war. This website
was set up by Martin Sheen and others to protest the war, I am using it to show
my suppport for the war. We must counter this electronic anti-war agenda with
our own. As long as the resources are set up, there is no reason why people who
support the war can't use them as well.

In the message box on your fax, please take out the text that is provided and
fill it with your own showing support for the war

By clicking on this link, you will go to the main website where you will send
your fax.

Remember, in order for this to work, you MUST delete the message that is
provided. Thank you.

Michael Mandahl

http://www.truemajority.com/index.asp?action=2425&ms=irqad4

[Michaelman]

I really would like to know how you tested it, seeing how you can't put in the fax number? The website automatically sends it to the appropiate senator.


Are you a Senator?

[Michaelman]

If anyone wants to do something to help this cause you can email me at mmandahl@hotmail.com.

I have access to many message boards and other conservative activists.

[Michaelman]

Here is a site where you can fax.

http://www.tpc.int/sendfax.html

Go to www.senate.gov to find your Senator's fax number and send away.


Would this work?

[Mad Dawgg]

"How could you have tested it, when the fax goes to a senator not you?"

Because I got their Email reply:

The pertinent part is in Bold Text:

The Virtual March on Washington is a first-of-its-kind group effort from the Win Without War coalition. Working together, we'll direct a steady stream of phone calls -- about one per minute, all day

-- to every Senate office in the country, while at the same time delivering a constant stream of emails and faxes. Think of it like a march

-- one by one, we'll be passing through our Senators' offices and the offices of the White House to let them know how we feel about this war.

Like a normal march, the success of this campaign depends on how many people participate. All you need to do is make three phone calls

-- it won't take more than 15 minutes of your time. But together with tens of thousands of others, it'll make a huge impression:

on February 26th, in every Senate office and in the White House, the phones will be ringing off their hooks. If you can't make calls on the 26th you can still register today to send free faxes. We'll hold them for you until the 26th

You can sign up for your time to call or place a free fax right now at: http://www.moveon.org/winwithoutwar/

Then forward this to everyone you know who might be interested.

Here's what Tom Andrews, a former Member of Congress and the National Director of the Win Without War Coalition has to say about the February 26th Virtual March: "Believe me, political leaders in Washington will get the message when their phones and fax machines light up -- and stay lit up -- from morning until night. They will know that there are a lot of us, that we care deeply about this unnecessary march to war, and that we are organized. Our message will be heard. But, we absolutely need you to make this work."

Last Saturday, millions of us in hundreds of cities around the world voiced our opposition to a war on Iraq. Please help us bring this dissent to Washington on February 26th, by taking part in the Virtual March.

Sincerely,

Ben
Here's a copy of the letter we'll send to your Senators:

Dear Senator:

I am a constituent of yours and I write today as a participant in Win Without War's Virtual March. I am one of the majority of Americans concerned that President Bush's rush to war is dangerous and unnecessary.

Our nation needs to support tough United Nations inspections. Going to war with Iraq will kill thousands of civilians and soldiers, create an atmosphere that breeds terrorists, and divert money from programs that can really create a safer and more just society.

Please do everything you can to support the inspections process and resist our nation rushing to war.

Sincerely,
(We'll add your name and address here)

Your message below was sent to:

Sen. Mike DeWine
140 Russell Senate Office Building Washington, DC 20510

Dear Senator DeWine,

Sen. George Victor Voinovich
317 Hart Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510

Dear Senator Voinovich,

I am a constituent of yours and I write today as a participant in Win the War and Kick out Saddam. I am one of the majority of Americans that supports President Bush and his policy to disarm Iraq.

Our nation needs to support our troops and our President. Going to war with Iraq will kill thousands of Iraq soldiers, which is too bad for them, they could surrender quickly like the French and save us all the trouble, but if they don't well then too bad for them.

Please do everything you can to support our President and our troops and tell Tom Daschle to shut up and get with the program. Oh yeah and tell Leahy to shut up and let's get on with the Estrada vote.

Sincerely,

Martin Sheensux

[dandelion]

Hey Michaelman, here's the FREEP "THE VIRTUAL MARCH WASHINGTON" Thread. It's got links for sign-in times, faxes that you can EDIT to send with your OWN message, and e-mail links to the leftists behind this "Virtual March on Washington".

At the time you are sign-up to send your stuff to Washington, it would be certainly be ironic if people sent their faxes, e-mails and phone calls to the numbers and addresses listed HERE... what a funny mix-up ;).

Mobilize against Martin Sheen, Freepers! and when your all signed-in and ready to "help" for Feb.26, don't forget to visit Citizens Against Celebrity Pundits and make yourself known to them!!

[Michaelman]

Right, but you need to delete that text that is in the box and replace it with your own.

Thats what I did and I did not get all of that stuff that you did.

That is mearly a reply that you got, it is not what the Senators will see. As long as you remember to delete the text they offer.

[Michaelman]

Thanks, I did not know about that thread. I was just trying to do something that would help.

[Michaelman]

Okay, now I know what you did. You did the fax directly from moveon.org's website.

You have to do this from www.truemajority.com's website in order for it to work.

[babaloo999]

That's the standard greeting to one who posts on their first day here.
Most trolls post trash, never respond, and are then banned.

[Michaelman]

Who is that statement directed towards?

[babaloo999]

It was directed to the poster who questioned a poster for calling another poster a troll.

[babaloo999]

See Admin Moderator profile for a history lesson on trolls.

http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/profile?h=Admin+Moderator

[Michaelman]

I understand a little bit better now.

But I am still confused as to what to look out for.

Thanks for the advice

[Michaelman]

BTW,

I have been on the Guardian's talkboards for over a year. I have been one of a only few conservatives on those boards. I came here because those boards have turned into one big anti-war march. It has become quite overwhelming for me.

I have tried to recruit more conservatives to come on those boards.

[zeaal]

I wish the antiwars were as concerned and active when issues related to pork spending, education, taxes, etc. came up. Most of the protesting faxes, phone calls and emails will be discounted because most of the people sending them are ONE issue people who are being told what to say, how to say it and where to send it (and how to send it). They are apolitical but someone told them that President Bush is a bad man and they have to do something. wha
The antiwars don't care about the well-being of the Iraqi people. They care that Saddam continues to be "contained." They don't care that daily Iraqi people live under conditions that none of them could even contemplate in their worst dreams. They don't care Saddam oppresses the people of Iraq through threats of torture, mutilation and execution by actually doing it to people's loved ones and neighbors. The antiwars don't care about the people of Iraq otherwise they would be listening to those that have been able to escape to tell their story. The antiwars would be marching for the LIBERATION OF THE PEOPLE OF IRAQ it all of this mattered.
No, the antiwars HATE for President Bush EXCEEDS their care and concern for the well-being of the people of Iraq. This is evidenced in every piece of printed material they distribute, every rally they host, every speaker who appears on TV.

[justshe]

I will support the FR virtual march....but not the one you listed. I do not want any possibility that the DNC could end up with my personal information.

[Mad Dawgg]

"Right, but you need to delete that text that is in the box and replace it with your own."

Yes Spanky I did, you notice my message at the bottom?

BTW If I were organizing such a movement I would make sure MY Message got through no matter what the respondent put! So I do not trust this approach at all!

Especially since it can be done with out using this leftist stuff and consider that if the Senators get a bunch of Messages on the SAME DAY no matter where the come from after a while you run the risk of OUR message being ignored and counted as for the opposition.

If you want to do the same thing then use another system and Do it a Day Earlier then you will nullify the effect of the Left's Movement!

BTW it is impossible to pick the day using your suggestion so there are far more reasons not to do as you suggest than to do it, add to the fact that you just signed up to post here and All kinds of Alarm Bells go off!

[Michaelman]

Well, if I had known that people like you would be that suspicous of any new person , I would not have came here.

Like I said before I just wanted to do something.

No tricks up my sleeve. In fact if you want I can prove to you that I am sincere. I will provide links to stuff I have written outside these boards.

Is that what you want? Would that ease your suspicions?

[Mamzelle]

Suspicious--sounds too easy. They might not really be changing that message to what you want. That's exactly what I'd do if I were they--and it's not like they don't know we're here. The only way to fight this would be to set up a competing program.

[Michaelman]

>The only way to fight this would be to set up a competing program.

Well how do we do that.

I am willing to help in anyway I can.

[Mad Dawgg]

"Well, if I had known that people like you would be that suspicous of any new person , I would not have came here."

Puh lease! You are in the deep end of the pool now. We pull no punches here.

If you can't debunk my points on the reasons for not doing this Your Way as opposed to doing it My Way then you are doomed to plead victim status, which I would like all to note you immediately claimed with your last post!

Try again!

First engage Brain and actually ponder my assertions then reply.

If need be, clamp your knees down with both hands as you ponder. It will help reduce the jerking!

[Michaelman]

You know what don't do it my way then. i don't really care. I was trying to be reasonable. But you are the one who immediatly went on the defensive. I don't have to prove anything to you. You can do it or not. I really don't care now.


BTW, who made you god of these boards anyway?

[Michaelman]

This is supposed to be a conservative talkboard right? Because you are acting like the typical knee-jerk liberal.

[Mad Dawgg]

"I was trying to be reasonable. But you are the one who immediatly went on the defensive."

Mmmm Hmmm Ok first: Please post the text in which you assert I was on the Defensive? (If Anything I have been on Offense!)

Second: Again you don't refute my points you just obfuscate! I thought you claimed to be a conservative if so then give me some arguments against my points rather than whining about it!

[First_Salute]

You're doin' OK.

[Dat]

Wasn't the origional goal of moveon.org to stop the Clinton impeachment, if so, what does the war have to do with their stated goal?

[Michaelman]

What exactly are your points my man?

So far all you have done is accused me of...

What the hell are you accusing me of anyway?


you think I'm some liberal spy? coming to bust your party?


get a life.

[arete]

I think that it is a great idea and I hope that everyone here participates. I know I'll be sending in my e-mail.

Richard W.

[Michaelman]

Most of these liberal organizations will jump on just about any bandwagon that is against conservative policies.

What we should be asking is what in the hell do these hollywood actors know about foreign policy.

Why should people listen to them?

[Michaelman]

This is on another thread, but just incase anyone missed it, here is the contact info for moveon.org.

Perhaps we can bombard them with calls and emails.

CONTACT INFO for Feb. 26:

Lynn Erskine
Win Without War
11 Dupont Circle, N.W., 9th Floor
Washington, D.C. 20036
phone: 202-478-3429
e-mail: info@winwithoutwarUS.org

PRESS ROOM:
Trevor Fitzgibbons, Fenton Communications,
202-822-5200
trevor@fenton.com
Hey, he works for the National Council of Churches!!

DONATION LINES FOR WIN WITHOUT WAR:
Call 1-800-233-6786, extension 13, or
Call 574-534-3402, extension 13

And they also ask that you "Send unanswered questions to info@moveon.org".