Missouri Cherokee Tribes proclaim Jewish Heritage

Christians Unite dot com ^ | February 7, 2003 | Editorial Staff

[vannrox]

Missouri Cherokee Tribes proclaim Jewish Heritage

by Staff
February 7, 2003

The Northern Cherokee Nation of the Old Louisiana Territory has recently shocked the world by claiming their ancient Oral legends tell of a Cherokee migration made to America from the area known as Masada.

This startling evidence is being offered to the public by Beverly Baker Northup whom is the spokesperson for their organization. The evidence offered in support of this connection to Cherokees escaping the mountain fortress of Masada is based in part of what Northup claims is stories passed down from elders and the similarity between ancient words.

Beverly Baker Northup believes there is a connection between these two peoples based on evidence of Jews of the region around Masada during Roman times wearing braided hair and the similarities that the spokesperson attributes to Hebrew language.

In explaining this connection Beverly Baker Northup is quoted as saying:

"The story has been kept alive among our Cherokee people that the Sicarii who escaped from Masada, are some of our ancestors who managed to cross the water to this land, and later became known as Cherokees. (Please note the phonetic resemblance of Si'cari'i and, Cherokee or Tsa'ra-gi'.)"

Northup claims that the famous scholar Josephus wrote that there were escapees from Masada in which the spokesperson for the Northern Cherokee states that this is evidence that gives credence to this connection between the Cherokee Indians and the Jews.

In addition to other startling claims, there is also the belief by the Northern Cherokee that a rock that was uncovered in Tennessee in 1889 that is named the Bat Creek Stone, proves a transatlantic connection to Jews.

Northup believes that the scratched writings on the rock indicate that the stone is evidence of a first century Atlantic Crossing to America by these escaped Jews that later became known as the Northern Cherokee Indians.

The Northern Cherokee attempted to gain full legislative recognition in the State of Missouri in 1985 that was eventually vetoed by Governor John Ashcroft. Governor Ashcroft made the following statement concerning his decision to veto the recognition of the Northern Cherokee:

"The Federal Government has traditionally exercised authority with respect to Indian Affairs. I am not persuaded that the state has such a substantial interest in this area that it should become involved in the recognition of Indian tribes."

Sources among some federally recognized Indian Tribes have stated that Mr. Ashcroft's comments were 100% correct and should be referred to from time to time.

[vannrox]

This is but the tip of the iceburg.

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

Missouri Cherokee Tribes proclaim Jewish Heritage

Look for one of them to be running for public office on the Democratic ticket soon.

[2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten]

Gives a whole new meaning to the expression "Member of the Tribe" I guess.

[Hodar]

Didn't Joseph Smith indicate this in his relevations/translations? LDS freepers? Funny how an uneduated farm kid, who is accused of starting a 'cult' has been (or is being) validated by modern science.

[Gorzaloon]

Imagine if it were verified by DNA analysis, though.

There are so many tantalizing accounts and half-records of early ocean crossings, like the Los Lunas Stone with its Decalogue inscription in Canaanite Hebrew.

Can ALL these be elaborate hoaxes by bored or prankish people? Maybe, Maybe Not.

Disney would have to remake "Pocahontas", though. Many of the Powhatan descendents are Amonsoquath Cherokee.

[StolarStorm]

Yeah...., but what's with the funny underwear?

[Poohbah]

Didn't Joseph Smith indicate this in his relevations/translations? LDS freepers? Funny how an uneduated farm kid, who is accused of starting a 'cult' has been (or is being) validated by modern science.

Hmm.

The Mormons claim that there was an ancient and extensive culture, brought from Israel by immigrants, in ancient North America.

Just one question:

Where's that civilization's garbage?

[Thinkin' Gal]

Missouri Cherokee Tribes proclaim Jewish Heritage

How?

[July 4th]

So, I guess we can get rid of all of the tribal lands then. They already have Israel as a homeland.

[Democratic_Machiavelli]

You're LDS, right? Know any LDS FReepers who'd be interested in this?

A "questions are being asked" ping.

[jalisco555]

Reminds me of the scene from Blazing Saddles with Mel Brooks playing an Indian chief speaking Yiddish. I laughted so hard I almost had a seizure.

[duckman]

The title should have included, "Funny you don't look Souixish" alert.

[babylonian]

How? Magic wand.

[genefromjersey]

Oh my !

How wonderful !!

A new VICTIMS' GROUP !!!

[Texas Mom]

The Mormans have believed the Indians to be the lost tribe of Israel for a long time.

[kcamtx]

If you do some research you will find that all American indian names are rooted in the Paleo-Hebrew language. The language of all people before the Tower of Babel.

[Bosco]

They would be double victims, right? Indian and Jewish.

[mrustow]

Hey, it's about time some of the missing tribes turned up.

[EggsAckley]

Sequoyah

[Boiler Plate]

The mormon Indian-Jew connection is based upon the lost tribes theory not just a handful of Masada escapees. Masada occurred in 66 AD the Assyrian exile occured in the 8th century B.C.

[small voice in the wilderness]

Hmmmm. So is it Indian Cheef or Indian Chife now?

[sheik yerbouty]

Lost at sea..

[sheik yerbouty]

How!

[RicocheT]

Amazing! I had always thought the Cherokees were early Mormons.

[sheik yerbouty]

I'm not LDs, but am interested.

[org.whodat]

If you do some research you will find that all American indian names are rooted in the Paleo-Hebrew language. The language of all people before the Tower of Babel "Running dog" is Paleo-Hebrew, damn, learn something new everyday!

[sheik yerbouty]

His headband said "Kosher le Pesach"...Kosher for Passover.

[sheik yerbouty]

Lol!

[SGCOS]

Schwantzes

[Just mythoughts]

Do you know anything about the Bat Creek Stone - scratched writings? Any pictures of the Stone?

[Thinkin' Gal]

Right back at ya! ;-)

[flying Elvis]

What does the DNA say?

[RightWhale]

There is a Cherokee working in this office. Think I might ask about this.

[Alouette]

Reminds me of the scene from Blazing Saddles with Mel Brooks playing an Indian chief speaking Yiddish.

Shvartzes! Loz um gehn! Zay zaynen noch tunkeler fun unz!

[EggsAckley]

<Bat Creek Stone

[sheik yerbouty]

it looks like the early Hebrew letters that were used before the Babylonian exile. I can't read the old stuff, maybe there is a Freeper who can.

[Just mythoughts]

Thank you so much, very interesting.

This doesn't look like scratching, sure looks like who ever put it there was leaving a message.

[nightdriver]

"...The language of all people before the Tower of Babel."

Really? Your source for this is...?

[EggsAckley]

The Bat Creek Stone was discovered in 1889 in an undisturbed burial mound in Eastern Tennessee by the Smithsonian's Mound Survey project.

In 1971, Cyrus Gordon identified the letters inscribed on the stone as Paleo-Hebrew of approximately the first or second century A.D. According to him, the five letters to the left of the comma-shaped word divider read, from right to left, LYHWD, or "for Judea."

In 1988, wood fragments found with the inscription were Carbon-14 dated to somewhere between 32 A.D. and 769 A.D. These dates are consistent with the apparent date of the letters.

Today the stone resides out of sight in a back room of the National Museum of Natural History in Washington, D.C.

[kcamtx]

The Bat Creek Stone is written in the paleo or ancient Hebrew. There are very few Hebrew scholars who know that language. At some point in time, I forget when, there were 6 letters added to the Hebrew alpabet. Most scholars stay with the latter alpabet. That's why they could not translate the stone.

[WFTR]

Thanks for another interesting article on this kind of topic. I think we've spoken in the past about the Melungeons, and the related theory that the Cherokees have a Turkish connection. There are many words in the Cherokee language that are very similar to words in Turkish.

Many people came to North America in the decades following Columbus's discovery. The Ottomon Empire had a navy, and some of their ships could have become stranded here. There were many Jews in Portugal, and the Portugese were one of the biggest explorers in that time. I have no doubt that people of the Middle East mixed with American Indian tribes.

The idea of people coming here long before that time is harder to support with real evidence. The Carthiginians had ships that would have a good chance of making the voyage. I know that Carthage was destroyed around the time of Christ, but I was under he impression that it was before Christ rather than afterwards. If Jews had come with the Carthaginians, I don't know whether the timing would have made it possible for them to have been at Masada.

The Melungeons: Appalachian Mystery
Bill

[tamu]

PING!!

I know that you'll have something good to contribute...

[RightWhale]

Have asked our fellow coworker about this and it is her opinion this is total hogwash. Where do they get this stuff?

[11B3]

How odd.....I've gone through life knowing I was Cherokee, but the concept of being Jewish is another concept altogether. In a way, it explains the favorable feelings towards Israel that I've always had. Strange. Nothing like having the earth move beneath your feet, making what seemed solid and real become fluid and imaginary.

[Cool Guy]

Ping!

[WFTR]

You might enjoy a book called Lest We Forget, The Melungeon Colony of Newman’s Ridge. This book explores some theories of the origins of the Melungeons, a mountain people of the Southern Appalachians. In exploring those theories, the book examines evidence of many finds of this kind. The author acknowledges that most academics don't trust finds that aren't made by academics. As a result, few of these finds are given as much credance as they may deserve. In any case, they are fascinating reading.

The link goes to a book review that I wrote, and the review links to an essay on the Melungeons.

WFTR
Bill

[xm177e2]

Didn't Joseph Smith also say the natives here were white, and were turned dark-skinned by God when they refused to accept Him? (or something like that)

Because that don't exactly follow modern science...

[Eastbound]

Looks similar to Canaanite-Phoenician.