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Missouri Cherokee Tribes proclaim Jewish Heritage
Christians Unite dot com ^ | February 7, 2003 | Editorial Staff

Posted on 02/21/2003 1:42:37 PM PST by vannrox

Missouri Cherokee Tribes proclaim Jewish Heritage


by Staff
February 7, 2003

The Northern Cherokee Nation of the Old Louisiana Territory has recently shocked the world by claiming their ancient Oral legends tell of a Cherokee migration made to America from the area known as Masada.

This startling evidence is being offered to the public by Beverly Baker Northup whom is the spokesperson for their organization. The evidence offered in support of this connection to Cherokees escaping the mountain fortress of Masada is based in part of what Northup claims is stories passed down from elders and the similarity between ancient words.

Beverly Baker Northup believes there is a connection between these two peoples based on evidence of Jews of the region around Masada during Roman times wearing braided hair and the similarities that the spokesperson attributes to Hebrew language.

In explaining this connection Beverly Baker Northup is quoted as saying:

"The story has been kept alive among our Cherokee people that the Sicarii who escaped from Masada, are some of our ancestors who managed to cross the water to this land, and later became known as Cherokees. (Please note the phonetic resemblance of Si'cari'i and, Cherokee or Tsa'ra-gi'.)"

Northup claims that the famous scholar Josephus wrote that there were escapees from Masada in which the spokesperson for the Northern Cherokee states that this is evidence that gives credence to this connection between the Cherokee Indians and the Jews.

In addition to other startling claims, there is also the belief by the Northern Cherokee that a rock that was uncovered in Tennessee in 1889 that is named the Bat Creek Stone, proves a transatlantic connection to Jews.

Northup believes that the scratched writings on the rock indicate that the stone is evidence of a first century Atlantic Crossing to America by these escaped Jews that later became known as the Northern Cherokee Indians.

The Northern Cherokee attempted to gain full legislative recognition in the State of Missouri in 1985 that was eventually vetoed by Governor John Ashcroft. Governor Ashcroft made the following statement concerning his decision to veto the recognition of the Northern Cherokee:

"The Federal Government has traditionally exercised authority with respect to Indian Affairs. I am not persuaded that the state has such a substantial interest in this area that it should become involved in the recognition of Indian tribes."

Sources among some federally recognized Indian Tribes have stated that Mr. Ashcroft's comments were 100% correct and should be referred to from time to time.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: bible; cherokee; decalogue; godsgravesglyphs; heritage; history; indian; jew; jewish; loslunas; losttribes; oy; past; tencommandments; tribe
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To: Cool Guy; tamu
Ancient Romans In Texas?
51 posted on 02/21/2003 3:26:07 PM PST by blam
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To: vannrox
I keep waiting for the DNA confirmation.

My understanding is that the linguistic confirmations have been fairly extensive.

Was glad to supposedly be added to the rolls a few years ago. Have long suspected there was some Israeli connection back there.

Wish I knew some Cherokee language!

53 posted on 02/21/2003 3:31:37 PM PST by Quix (OTHER TASKS DELAY ME BUT STILL PLANNING TO GET KATHLEEN'S FINAL WARNING EXCERPTS UP)
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To: mrustow
Hey, it's about time some of the missing tribes turned up

The missing tribes went missing several centuries before the Masada episode. Any people leaving Israel in the first century AD is of the tribes of Judah, Benjamin or Levi. (The bulk of Levi went missing but there were representatives of Levi among all the tribes since they were the priests.)

54 posted on 02/21/2003 3:39:29 PM PST by Mike4Freedom (Freedom is the one thing that you cannot have unless you grant it to everyone else.)
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To: Hodar
I don't think I'd go that far.

The difference between what the charlatan asserted and the Cherokee thing seem extensive enough to me.

I'm not impressed with a largely plagerized 'theology' by someone convicted a number of times of defrauding farmers . . .

telling farmers he had a secret map found on each of the farmer's property . . . but that he needed a grub stake to buy equipment to dig it up--that he'd split the treasure with each farmer if they'd put up the grub stake. Of course, having that money, Joseph was never heard from again.

Then there's the fun story from the father of my best man at my wedding . . . My friend's great granddad--or was it great great granddad--I forget--anyway--evidently some of Joseph's staff either convinced him or went along with his grand idea to walk on water. So they strung some chicken wire just below the surface for some distance and at the appointed time, Joseph proceded to 'walk on water' until some character on the scene undid part of the chicken wire and he sank into the lake--to the amusement of the assembled crowd.
55 posted on 02/21/2003 3:41:04 PM PST by Quix (OTHER TASKS DELAY ME BUT STILL PLANNING TO GET KATHLEEN'S FINAL WARNING EXCERPTS UP)
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To: vannrox

"Oy vey, Kimosabe!"

56 posted on 02/21/2003 3:41:17 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Someone left the cake out in the rain I dont think that I can take it coz it took so long to bake it)
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To: Quix
I neglected to note that my best friend's great granddad had the farm across the fence from Joseph Smith's farm.
57 posted on 02/21/2003 3:42:50 PM PST by Quix (OTHER TASKS DELAY ME BUT STILL PLANNING TO GET KATHLEEN'S FINAL WARNING EXCERPTS UP)
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To: Eastbound

Statue found by archaeologists while digging in Olmec ruins in La Venta, Mexico

58 posted on 02/21/2003 3:43:46 PM PST by blam
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To: EggsAckley
Again thank you so much.

Do you have more info on the stone?

Is the stone native to TN, or has that been checked?

How big is it, it looks from the picture that it would not be hard to carry?

Why is this stone kept out of sight?
59 posted on 02/21/2003 3:50:55 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: vannrox
Have one of their guys drop trou. Should be pretty apparent if they're Jewish or not. Of course, I figure a DNA test should put the matter to rest pretty darn quick.
60 posted on 02/21/2003 3:53:25 PM PST by Junior (I want my, I want my, I want my chimpanzees)
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To: vannrox
Bump for later
62 posted on 02/21/2003 3:56:53 PM PST by CyberCowboy777 (In those days... Every man did that which was right in his own eyes.)
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To: vannrox
Deepak Chopra a Jew?
63 posted on 02/21/2003 3:57:09 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Someone left the cake out in the rain I dont think that I can take it coz it took so long to bake it)
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To: xm177e2
Yes, their skin was white and delightsome, just like David Duke prefers it.
65 posted on 02/21/2003 4:01:16 PM PST by fishtank
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To: jalisco555
Reminds me of the scene from Blazing Saddles with Mel Brooks playing an Indian chief speaking Yiddish. I laughed so hard I almost had a seizure.

Me too. No one else did. I guess the crowd at that particular Hollywood theater was either humor or Yiddish challenged...

66 posted on 02/21/2003 4:01:48 PM PST by null and void
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To: WFTR
Do you know anything about the Heavener, OK., Viking Ruinstones?
67 posted on 02/21/2003 4:02:43 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: SGCOS
Schwantzes

Ummmm, I *think* you mean "schwartza"

Unless you are refering to Clevon Little's 'scuze me while I whip this out"...

68 posted on 02/21/2003 4:05:04 PM PST by null and void
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To: Quix
In that case, your best friend might be an illegitimate great grandson of Joseph Smith. He did "get around" as they say.
69 posted on 02/21/2003 4:05:22 PM PST by fishtank
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To: C19H28O2
I never said it was evidence. Someone asked to see it and I posted it.

By the way, you certainly are hostile for a newbie.
70 posted on 02/21/2003 4:05:55 PM PST by EggsAckley (nuke the gay whales for jesus)
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To: jalisco555
"Oy gevalt! Dey dahkah dan US!!"
73 posted on 02/21/2003 4:15:14 PM PST by Illbay (Adam fell that men might be; and men are, that they might have joy. -- 2 Nephi 25)
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To: Democratic_Machiavelli; advocate10; BossyRoofer; brigette; byu-fan; CaliforniaOkie; crystalk; ...
LDS PING.
74 posted on 02/21/2003 4:18:23 PM PST by Illbay (Adam fell that men might be; and men are, that they might have joy. -- 2 Nephi 25)
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To: drstevej; P-Marlowe; CARepubGal; Elsie
FR gadfly anti-Mormon ping

</sarcasm>
76 posted on 02/21/2003 4:22:02 PM PST by fishtank
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To: SJackson
FYI Ping
77 posted on 02/21/2003 4:22:48 PM PST by Fiddlstix
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To: Illbay
Adam fell that men might be; and men are, that they might have joy. -- 2 Nephi 25

This passage really is sad and sick. Unfortunately, as America becomes less connected with Biblical Christianity, then more Americans will buy into the "man becomes god" lie.

78 posted on 02/21/2003 4:24:47 PM PST by fishtank
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To: EggsAckley
Who Really Discovered America?
79 posted on 02/21/2003 4:25:13 PM PST by blam
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To: fishtank; CCWoody
I accept with pride the term gadfly. Twas the term Athens gave to Socrates.

BTW, I think CCW said he was part Cherokee. Bet the Mormons are scratching their heads.
80 posted on 02/21/2003 4:27:31 PM PST by drstevej
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To: drstevej
I was complimenting you Steve. I respect your opinions!!!
81 posted on 02/21/2003 4:28:40 PM PST by fishtank
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To: fishtank
So you think it is "sad and sick" that man's purpose is to have joy?

You HAVE to be a Calvinist.

82 posted on 02/21/2003 4:30:08 PM PST by Illbay (Adam fell that men might be; and men are, that they might have joy. -- 2 Nephi 25)
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To: C19H28O2
Read the "The Bat Creek Stone: Judeans in Tennessee?

This is of no help to examine the stone. The whole purpose of this was to declare Cyrus Thomas a nut.

Why was the stone not checked?

Is this stone native to TN?

83 posted on 02/21/2003 4:30:11 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: drstevej
The interesting thing about New World archeology is that I firmly believe and accept that there were probably many contacts in the past two or three millenia from China, Polynesia, Scandinavia, Phoenecia, etc.....

Having said that though, I can accept those contacts from Old to New World WITHOUT having to tie it to LDS/Mormonism, since I have seen NO EVIDENCE for the LDS theories.
85 posted on 02/21/2003 4:32:28 PM PST by fishtank
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To: Illbay
No, I think it is sad and sick to rejoice in: sin, rebellion, death, the Curse, and the serpent's lies.

I don't know if I'm a Calvinist or not. I was raised RCC, then went to a Dallas Theological affiliated Bible church for several years, then moved and went to an E Free church, now I'm in a C&MA church.

As far as TULIP goes, I believe in TU_IP.

T stands for "total depravity", which is against LDS doctrine, unless you ask the current president (I forget his name), who would reply by saying: "I don't know that we teach that."



86 posted on 02/21/2003 4:36:45 PM PST by fishtank
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To: fishtank
I think it's "sad and sick" to believe that we are all doomed because Adam transgressed. I think it's "sad and sick" to believe that a little infant who dies without baptism is damned to hell for eternity.

I think it's "sad and sick" to believe that God made us to be hated and despised.

88 posted on 02/21/2003 4:41:36 PM PST by Illbay (Adam fell that men might be; and men are, that they might have joy. -- 2 Nephi 25)
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To: C19H28O2
You know, whole theories (LDS and non-LDS) have swarmed around this "Bat Creek Stone". Maybe it wasn't brought here by a contemporary of the stone, but was in someone's family for a long time. For instance, I collect coins -- I have coins that go back to Roman and Greek times. Now, if I left my home undisturbed and someone dug it up in a couple of hundred years, would those coins fuel the notion that Greeks and Romans once inhabited the land?

One stone does not a theory make.....
89 posted on 02/21/2003 4:42:40 PM PST by duckbutt (God Bless America.......Again!)
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To: Poohbah
"Where's that civilization's garbage?"

Recycled into what is now metropolitan Paris....

90 posted on 02/21/2003 4:48:14 PM PST by tracer (/b>)
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To: Bosco
This reminds me of a joke about a guy named Tonto Goldstein......
91 posted on 02/21/2003 4:49:18 PM PST by tracer (/b>)
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To: Illbay
"I think it's "sad and sick" to believe that we are all doomed because Adam transgressed."

We inherit a sin nature from Adam and then all of us sin, making us guilty - deserving of damnation.

"I think it's "sad and sick" to believe that a little infant who dies without baptism is damned to hell for eternity."

That is NOT taught in the Scripture. I don't believe it - read how King David reacted upon hearing about the death of his son.

"I think it's "sad and sick" to believe that God made us to be hated and despised."

We sinned against Him, and deserve His punishment. However, God's grace is a FREE GIFT to us, so I know I am saved not because of anything good I have done, but because of what Jesus did on the cross. The LDS denies the free gift of salvation - do you "hate" and "despise" God's free gift of salvation?

Your stereotype of what I believe is wrong.
92 posted on 02/21/2003 4:49:51 PM PST by fishtank
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To: C19H28O2
I read oh pompous one, "The potential significance of the Bat Creek stone rest primarily on the decipherment".....

So the stone itself was not analyzed, deemed not relevant. Why?

Alot of time spent here but didn't bother to check the rock.

If the stone is a fake, why wasn't it thrown back in the mound and why is it hidden.

I ask is the stone native to TN, you obviously don't know.

These people and their little study doesn't mean anything if they didn't bother to check out the stone.

93 posted on 02/21/2003 4:50:23 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: blam
The 'Bearded Ones,' eh? I think they accompanied the Olmecs, as the Olmecs lacked facial hair. Strangers from across the sea?
94 posted on 02/21/2003 4:50:42 PM PST by Eastbound
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To: StolarStorm
Joseph was on a roll.

He had a following of people who finally believed his stories.

Alas, he had to keep coming up with yet additional SPECIAL THINGS to emphasize how HEAVENLY SPECIAL THEY WERE compared to all the other 'idiots' out in the OTHER world.

I see it as extensive playing of the INGROUP/OUTGROUP game.

It's a little difficult to get more BASICally SPECIAL and DIFFERENT than UNDERWEAR! Especially after the satanic tinged temple rituals involving it etc.

I've always wondered, though, what do they do when it needs cleaned or wears out? How do you get out of the old and put on the new without being UNCOVERED??? in such SPECIAL PLACES???
96 posted on 02/21/2003 4:51:47 PM PST by Quix (OTHER TASKS DELAY ME BUT STILL PLANNING TO GET KATHLEEN'S FINAL WARNING EXCERPTS UP)
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To: C19H28O2
Like you Mormons, Scripture to the Catholics is like sunlight to Dracula.

Au contraire. "Mormons" are typically very adept scriptorians. In fact, we use the ENTIRE Bible, not just those parts accepted by "mainstream" Christianity.

97 posted on 02/21/2003 4:55:44 PM PST by Illbay (Adam fell that men might be; and men are, that they might have joy. -- 2 Nephi 25)
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To: C19H28O2
Beware the ZOT! grasshopper.
98 posted on 02/21/2003 4:55:50 PM PST by EggsAckley (nuke the gay whales for jesus)
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To: Thinkin' Gal
My understanding is much of the research has been linguistic.

They worship Almighty God with a Cherokee name very close to YAWEH.

Seems to me, I got into it on a website. Would do a Google search but probably not until next week sometime.

I'd still like to see the DNA analysis.
99 posted on 02/21/2003 4:56:04 PM PST by Quix (OTHER TASKS DELAY ME BUT STILL PLANNING TO GET KATHLEEN'S FINAL WARNING EXCERPTS UP)
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