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Archaeology Magazine ^ | March/April 2003 | Colleen P. Popson

Posted on 02/22/2003 9:06:38 AM PST by blam

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To: blam
There's some new stuff on the internet about the Emishi. They finally found a settlement of theirs showing signs of agricultural development and lots and lots and lots of carbon for radio-carbon dating.

They seem to be the same as the Jomon.

The Ainu (a group closely related to the Emishi) relocated to the Northern parts of Japan from Siberia and Manchuria about the time the Emishi appear to have been hired to become Samurai.

They moved South to Hiroshima and Fukuoka at that time.

101 posted on 02/15/2007 4:32:05 PM PST by muawiyah
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Genetic origins of the Ainu inferred from combined DNA analyses of maternal and paternal lineages.

Tajima A, Hayami M, Tokunaga K, Juji T, Matsuo M, Marzuki S, Omoto K, Horai S.

Department of Biosystems Science, The Graduate University for Advanced Studies (Sokendai), Hayama, Kanagawa 240-0193, Japan.

The Ainu, a minority ethnic group from the northernmost island of Japan, was investigated for DNA polymorphisms both from maternal (mitochondrial DNA) and paternal (Y chromosome) lineages extensively.
Other Asian populations inhabiting North, East, and Southeast Asia were also examined for detailed phylogeographic analyses at the mtDNA sequence type as well as Y-haplogroup levels. The maternal and paternal gene pools of the Ainu contained 25 mtDNA sequence types and three Y-haplogroups, respectively.
Eleven of the 25 mtDNA sequence types were unique to the Ainu and accounted for over 50% of the population, whereas 14 were widely distributed among other Asian populations. Of the 14 shared types, the most frequently shared type was found in common among the Ainu, Nivkhi in northern Sakhalin, and Koryaks in the Kamchatka Peninsula.
Moreover, analysis of genetic distances calculated from the mtDNA data revealed that the Ainu seemed to be related to both the Nivkhi and other Japanese populations (such as mainland Japanese and Okinawans) at the population level.
On the paternal side, the vast majority (87.5%) of the Ainu exhibited the Asian-specific YAP+ lineages (Y-haplogroups D-M55* and D-M125), which were distributed only in the Japanese Archipelago in this analysis. On the other hand, the Ainu exhibited no other Y-haplogroups (C-M8, O-M175*, and O-M122*) common in mainland Japanese and Okinawans.
It is noteworthy that the rest of the Ainu gene pool was occupied by the paternal lineage (Y-haplogroup C-M217*) from North Asia including Sakhalin. Thus, the present findings suggest that the Ainu retain a certain degree of their own genetic uniqueness, while having higher genetic affinities with other regional populations in Japan and the Nivkhi among Asian populations.

102 posted on 02/15/2007 4:34:05 PM PST by blam
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Emishi Man, no doubt much more closely related to Kenniwick Man than any Ainu


103 posted on 02/15/2007 4:34:06 PM PST by muawiyah
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The western and eastern roots of the Saami--the story of genetic "outliers" told by mitochondrial DNA and Y chromosomes.

Tambets K, Rootsi S, Kivisild T, Help H, Serk P, Loogvali EL, Tolk HV, Reidla M, Metspalu E, Pliss L, Balanovsky O, Pshenichnov A, Balanovska E, Gubina M, Zhadanov S, Osipova L, Damba L, Voevoda M, Kutuev I, Bermisheva M, Khusnutdinova E, Gusar V, Grechanina E, Parik J, Pennarun E, Richard C, Chaventre A, Moisan JP, Barac L, Pericic M, Rudan P, Terzic R, Mikerezi I, Krumina A, Baumanis V, Koziel S, Rickards O, De Stefano GF, Anagnou N, Pappa KI, Michalodimitrakis E, Ferak V, Furedi S, Komel R, Beckman L, Villems R. Department of Evolutionary Biology, Institute of Molecular and Cell Biology, University of Tartu and Estonian Biocentre, Tartu, Estonia. ktambets@ebc.ee

The Saami are regarded as extreme genetic outliers among European populations. In this study, a high-resolution phylogenetic analysis of Saami genetic heritage was undertaken in a comprehensive context, through use of maternally inherited mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) and paternally inherited Y-chromosomal variation.
DNA variants present in the Saami were compared with those found in Europe and Siberia, through use of both new and previously published data from 445 Saami and 17,096 western Eurasian and Siberian mtDNA samples, as well as 127 Saami and 2,840 western Eurasian and Siberian Y-chromosome samples.
It was shown that the "Saami motif" variant of mtDNA haplogroup U5b is present in a large area outside Scandinavia. A detailed phylogeographic analysis of one of the predominant Saami mtDNA haplogroups, U5b1b, which also includes the lineages of the "Saami motif," was undertaken in 31 populations. The results indicate that the origin of U5b1b, as for the other predominant Saami haplogroup, V, is most likely in western, rather than eastern, Europe.
Furthermore, an additional haplogroup (H1) spread among the Saami was virtually absent in 781 Samoyed and Ob-Ugric Siberians but was present in western and central European populations.

The Y-chromosomal variety in the Saami is also consistent with their European ancestry. It suggests that the large genetic separation of the Saami from other Europeans is best explained by assuming that the Saami are descendants of a narrow, distinctive subset of Europeans.
In particular, no evidence of a significant directional gene flow from extant aboriginal Siberian populations into the haploid gene pools of the Saami was found.

104 posted on 02/15/2007 4:39:48 PM PST by blam
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Jomon Genes

""The Jomon are the obvious ancestors of the Ainu but not of modem Japanese," says C. Lonng Brace, an anthropologist at the University in Michigan in Ann Arbor. "

105 posted on 02/15/2007 4:44:35 PM PST by blam
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Right. The Sa'ami simply got there first. There are separations amounting to thousands of years between them and other Europeans who lived in the three Refugia during the Ice Age.

Those differences can be as profound as skin color and body proportion ordinarily used as the standards to define "race".

Interestingly enough, several of the gene variants that enable the Eskimo to live in the far North are similar in operation to those that allow the Sa'ami to live there, but they affect different genes on the same segment.

Thought I'd mention that because it can become confusing when reading about Sa'ami living on seal and Eskimon living on seal, and how they do that. You really do have to have some "differences" in the way your body handles the surplus iron you are consuming ~ plus, when you put Sa'ami and Eskimos on a modern Western diet they both develop diabetes, heart trouble, alcoholism, and so forth.

106 posted on 02/15/2007 4:47:50 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Dog Gone
The thread was referenced by someone else. It's worth updating these things, and this is one way to do it.

As you know some FR threads are incredibly interesting.

107 posted on 02/15/2007 4:50:28 PM PST by muawiyah
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108 posted on 02/15/2007 4:50:39 PM PST by blam
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109 posted on 02/15/2007 4:52:01 PM PST by blam
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I have no problem with that. It's just that I rarely even remember making a particular post from that long ago.

It's like I'm reading it for the first time and noticing that I posted it.


110 posted on 02/15/2007 4:53:38 PM PST by Dog Gone
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The Jomon, and their distinctive teeth, are quite obviously ancestral to the Ainu (in part) and Emishi, and both of those groups are pretty well mixed into the Japanese general population (if the 40% with Ainu tooth types can be counted as "mised").

One of the little quirks in Japanese anthropological studies has been the indifference of so many researchers to the existence of the Emishi.

They weren't just literary devices of early story tellers. No doubt they and the Ainu are of the same ancestry as the Jomon, but the Emishi had advanced culturally to the same degree as the Yayoi and Korean invaders.

111 posted on 02/15/2007 4:55:47 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Dog Gone
Strange, eh?!

No deja vu in my mind either!

112 posted on 02/15/2007 5:01:23 PM PST by muawiyah
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113 posted on 02/15/2007 5:02:37 PM PST by blam
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"As you know some FR threads are incredibly interesting."

It's amazing how many times I run across FR threads while doing a search on the internet.

114 posted on 02/15/2007 5:06:01 PM PST by blam
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The Yayoi have a good claim to having been, at least in part, the same people as the Hakka. Those are the guys whose constant predations into China drove the Chinese to build the Great Wall.

Recalling that the Chinese were literate, and the Hakka were not, neither were the Yayoi when they arrived in Japan.

It's somewhat later (8 centuries in fact) before the first Korean speaking Koreans arrived from Korea.

115 posted on 02/15/2007 5:08:55 PM PST by muawiyah
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"The Yayoi have a good claim to having been, at least in part, the same people as the Hakka. Those are the guys whose constant predations into China drove the Chinese to build the Great Wall."

The Hakka, in five migrations, moved from Northern China to Southern China and even today are know as 'the guests'. When they began the migrations in the north, many had Caucasian features and those with those features were killed and persecuted all the way across China.

116 posted on 02/15/2007 5:15:37 PM PST by blam
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The deal was they had a "bridge" on their noses. The story goes that the Chinese emperor killed off everyone with a bridge.

This is believed to be apocryphal.

Still, modern Japanese may be found who have a "bridge". There's also a vast number of them who have "beep" noses like Charley Brown.

117 posted on 02/15/2007 6:18:28 PM PST by muawiyah
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Hmmm, that is going to upset Latinos who claim they are the indigenous peoples.


118 posted on 02/15/2007 6:22:07 PM PST by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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"The deal was they had a "bridge" on their noses. The story goes that the Chinese emperor killed off everyone with a bridge."

Also, light or curly hair.

119 posted on 02/15/2007 6:32:42 PM PST by blam
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Also, on some of the hakka web sites, I've seen them argue among themselves about whether they are Han or not.


120 posted on 02/15/2007 6:41:18 PM PST by blam
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The Hakka are not, of course, Han, nor are the Han Hakka.

All same thing these days though. We had one Freeper note that the Hakka girls are prettier than the Han girls and I'd be forced to agree on that point.

121 posted on 02/15/2007 6:45:33 PM PST by muawiyah
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I think it's something more like the "curl" you find in the hair of the base population in Okinawa. As far as "light" hair goes, there are North Central Asians who definitely have "light" hair ~


122 posted on 02/15/2007 6:56:41 PM PST by muawiyah
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"We had one Freeper note that the Hakka girls are prettier than the Han girls and I'd be forced to agree on that point."

My local (Hakka) Chinese friend says the same thing. He said that in front of his wife and then said, "see how pretty she is."

123 posted on 02/15/2007 7:00:57 PM PST by blam
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I remember a DNA study that was done a couple of years back that was trying to “prove” the land bridge theory by comparing the mitochondrial DNA of native new worlders from South America, Central America, West Coast of North America all the way up to Alaska, in the hopes that they could establish a linear link of DNA all the way back to Siberian natives. But they could not. IIRC, they established that the closest link to South American natives’ DNA was to people from TAIWAN!...........


124 posted on 09/28/2007 10:36:32 AM PDT by Red Badger (ALL that CARBON in ALL that oil & coal was once in the atmosphere. We're just putting it back!)
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This is close to the most recent:

Journey Of Mankind

125 posted on 09/28/2007 10:45:22 AM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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I suppose that it is possible that the Ainu came across the same land bridge as the later people. It’s interesting that the indigenous people lobby is now including the Ainu as the indigenous (and exploited) people of Japan.


126 posted on 11/27/2007 11:20:26 AM PST by Eva
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The indians lost and the cowboys one. Indians are just a bunch of spoilsports.
127 posted on 01/28/2008 1:02:41 AM PST by Born to Conserve
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All kinds of cracker-heads in the world!!
128 posted on 01/09/2009 2:51:38 PM PST by org.whodat (Conservatives don't vote for Bailouts for Super-Rich Bankers! Republicans do!)
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Updated the link.

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Thanks.


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