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Any functional handgun is better than no handgun at all. But I hear some people talk about how good the 9 millimeter, .380 Auto, or .38 Special rounds are. If you have the choice of a better handgun for self protection, buy it. Be sure you have the heaviest grain bullet you can get. Make sure it is a functional hollow point in your handgun.

Also be sure to buy a quality handgun that will not jam on you in a situation where you need it.

I also cannot emphasize strongly enough the need to train with your firearm of choice for self protection. Go to the shooting range at least once every two months and train with at least 50 rounds of ammunition. Dry fire practice twice a week to master trigger control. If you have not fired a firearm within six months you are probably incompetant with your weapon. A gun will not save you if you do not know how to use it.

In stressful situations we do not rise to the occasion, we fall to our level of training.

1 posted on 02/22/2003 8:34:22 PM PST by 2nd_Amendment_Defender
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113 posted on 02/23/2003 6:23:04 AM PST by sistergoldenhair (Don't be a sheep. People hate sheep. They eat sheep.)
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After reading thru this thread, I suspect that no one would think a weeny little 9mm Beretta 92F loaded with Cor-Bon +P 115 gr. JHP's is sufficient. You're all a bunch of size queens. ;)
121 posted on 02/23/2003 7:21:14 AM PST by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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Time to upgrade! I have been under the illusion of being adequately armed. Ignorance can be deadly.
164 posted on 02/23/2003 1:24:52 PM PST by gitmo ("The course of this conflict is not known, yet its outcome is certain." GWB)
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I use a special Proprietary load in my 9MM – it weighs 52 grains. It is a 9MM Jacketed Hollow Point (JHP) with the lead melted out. The core is then replaced with birdshot bonded in epoxy. The muzzle velocity is in excess of 2100 FPS. It is an excellent load – accurate – easy to control – and very deadly at the ranges (7 to 21 feet) that most handgun battles occur.
179 posted on 02/23/2003 6:27:36 PM PST by fiftycal (9MM On Steroids)
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What is the Hatcher rating on the original 7.62 mm Mauser cartridge introduced in 1896 with the "Broomhandle??"
182 posted on 02/23/2003 7:49:10 PM PST by Lael ("C'mon, George, lets NOT get wobbly in the legs" - Margaret Thatcher to George the First!)
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184 posted on 02/23/2003 7:59:26 PM PST by Soul Citizen
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You don't say who did the tests or how they were conducted and it obviously was not Hatcher. This stuff has been hashed over and over with different results. There are to many conditions that effect the equation rendering the whole thing as near useless. Basicly your list just lists bullets by weight and says heavy bullets are better. Which may be true but it is not the entire equation for energy transfer on impact. There isn't any mention of +p loadings.

No one should pick a gun for concealed carry based on this factor alone for those of you thinking about a new purchase.
186 posted on 02/23/2003 8:17:37 PM PST by Clean_Sweep
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Ailleen Wornous, the famous female serial killer from Rochester Michigan, shot, stopped, and killed, 6 out of 6 men( or 9 out of 9 men depending on who you believe) with a .22 caliber revolver.
196 posted on 02/24/2003 7:08:29 AM PST by waterstraat
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* Jacketed hollow points will have the same rating as wad cutter bullets if the bullet hollow tip is greater than 1/2 of the caliber of the bullet.

That is no longer a reasonable assumption.

Now that the understanding of the hydraulic mechanisms of expansion have fed into bullet design, expansion of hollowpoints is a significant factor in lethality.

218 posted on 02/24/2003 12:19:39 PM PST by Cogadh na Sith (The Guns of Brixton)
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If he takes your first shot, no matter the rating (.22's excepted), and you survive his first shot, you are likely to "win". Your second should be a kill (if you need it)!


286 posted on 02/28/2003 3:15:34 PM PST by lawdude
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All you need is a good 1911A1 .45ACP such as a Springfield milspec. that is not very tight and can shoot 1000 rounds without ever having a burp or hickup. A good heavy 230gr bullet moving @900 fps with 6 quick follow up rounds ready to go if you panick and miss and the fool doesn't run away.

For rare individuals such as myself who had a Marine Corps gunny sgt. for a father and mentor and shot his heavy magnum when you were 5yrs old without ear protection from the front porch while sitting on his knee, you would prefer the .44 magnum and would be fond of the Ruger Super Balckhawk and Redhawk. You would prefer the Super Blackhawk for its accuracy and simple ellegance. You would load your own and have a favorite round for each occasion such as the Keith 250gr SWC (hard cast 50/50 wheel weight and lynotype mix)loaded with 9.7gr of Unique for fun plinking days or loaded with 22gr of 2400 for the big bang buck days. For accuracy would load the 210gr Sierra JSP or JHP with 26gr of WW296 with the CCI-300 large pistol primers. Very good accuracy out to 150 yards and even at 100 yards you can hold a 4" group. For the bahemath stopper you would load the depleted uranium secret load you share with nobody becuase it may hurt others who attempt to load and shoot a round handled only by rare individuals who know the secret hand shake and can therefore pass on the load data for.

Peace brother!

293 posted on 02/28/2003 4:47:00 PM PST by Mat_Helm
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I need to make an annoucement. There is a small error in the Hatcher Ratings on the .45 ACP round.

The .45 ACP full metal jacket 230 grain should be rated at 60.7

The .45 ACP jacketed hollow point 230 grain should be rated at 66.8

325 posted on 03/03/2003 6:25:05 AM PST by 2nd_Amendment_Defender
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Great post to start a bigger is better thread.
I personally do not have .357 Sig or a .41 at this time,
but my .44 Special Bulldog sure is comforting when something goes 'bump in night' out here on the prairie. Just for grins, I ran my Desert Eagle .50AE through the
formula (love those ballistic software packages)---WOW,
a 308.263 rating! I guess bigger is better, but until I get in some more practice--still waiting on reloading dies--I think I'll keep that .44 Special close at hand.
331 posted on 03/04/2003 7:38:57 PM PST by RyeWhiskeyJoe (Remember---etc..........empty the clip!!!!)
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There's nothing wrong with a 9mm with the right load -- has all the stopping power of premium .45s and .40s. Not quite as much as .357, but that's a slightly different comparison. 9s are great in that target ammo is cheap, and if you shoot correctly, one shot stopping power is totally irrelevent. I'm not sure if the tactic is taught in all special forces, but the ones I've heard of teach 2 to the body and one to the head (boom boom, ...boom). Practice that, and I defy anyone to show me a case where that was used and a perp kept coming. But either way, you don't stop shooting until they stop. Just hit what you aim at.
344 posted on 12/22/2003 6:39:23 PM PST by 1L
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General Julian Hatcher, a noted forensic pathologist, in the early 1900’s developed a good formula to determine the theoretical stopping power of a firearm cartridge.

He was a loudmouthed self proclaimed authority. Try Marshall and Sanow. They have catalogued every law enforcement shooting for many years and last I heard the 357 was at the top of the heap. It was barely above the rest. The modern 9mm cartridge was ranked very high

346 posted on 12/22/2003 7:49:53 PM PST by Nov3
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I'd like to know the Hatcher ratings on the various prefrangible rounds such as the GLASER series or the MagSafe rounds, which I carry in my Glock (M27) 40 and M1911 series 45's. I also have them for my Beretta M92 9mm. Low recoil, low flash and very good accuracy. No threat of a T-N-T (Thru-N-Thru gunshot wound) to injure an innocent, or of a richochet wounding.

"If you have not fired a firearm within six months you are probably incompetant with your weapon."

My wife is the exception! Geeze, she is a QUILTER for godssakes! She shoots to please me. ONCE a year, she takes her Combat Commander 45 out to the range, draws from a holster and BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! BLAM! She scores all "A" ZONE hits and goes home.

Me? I'm not a warm weather competitor. So my IDPA season is fairly short. I get in some practice when I take clients to the range to check them out for their Florida CCW Permit apps. But that's about it. December to May I'm on a range with IDPA at least twice a month. June thru November, forget it. I think my next gun (to be purchased this weekend) is going to be a Colt Defender, in .45. That will be my new all around carry gun. I'll just need to put some tritium night sights on it.

349 posted on 02/24/2004 9:26:43 PM PST by ExSoldier (When the going gets tough, the tough go cyclic.)
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BTTT


351 posted on 05/15/2005 11:12:37 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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Bookmarked!


362 posted on 05/17/2005 4:35:21 PM PDT by Doomonyou (I don't think so, Scooter...)
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I BELEIVE I HAVE DEVELOPED THE MOST POWERFUL AUTO PISTOL CARTRIDGE EVER, IT IS VERY FAST AND ACCURATE, IT WILL PENETRATE 3/16" STEEL AT 25YDS AND WILL HOLD LESS THAN 1" ACCURCY AND IT WILL REACH 2600+ FPS MUZZEL VEL, A HAND GUN CLOSEING THE VELOCITY GAP BETWEEN RIFLE AND PISTOL.


372 posted on 08/26/2006 2:35:25 PM PDT by sflapper
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Thanks for the info


374 posted on 03/07/2007 4:50:43 AM PST by bmwcyle (It is time to stop the left at the wall.)
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