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Some Maine Teachers Traumatizing Students of Deployed Soldiers
WABI- TV Bangor Maine | February 21, 2003 | 6 PM News

Posted on 02/23/2003 9:02:29 AM PST by bogeybob

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To: Uncle Jaque
. . . every now and then some jackass will take a blowtorch to it and find the business end, and it can be a while before the smoke clears and splinters of the furniture and broken glass stop raining down on the crater.

LOL! Priceless!

(I feel that way myself sometimes too.)

. . . for those of us who are latecomers to the thread, who are the corporal and the chaplain's assistant, and what on earth did they do?

(I thought they didn't make bad boys peel potatoes or be janker-wallahs anymore because it hurt their self-esteem.)

551 posted on 02/26/2003 5:57:37 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . beware the wrath of a quiet man . . .)
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To: bogeybob
World Net Daily has an article (probably posted a few hours ago).

The link is HERE .

Somebody should create a new thread for the WND article to keep the story alive. I'm pressed for time, or I would.

552 posted on 02/26/2003 6:39:09 PM PST by litany_of_lies
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To: AnAmericanMother
American Mom, you have missed a bit of drama here. From reply #529, the hypothetical corporal is the former Lieutenant Colonel Mosher and the private / Chaplain's assistant is the former Major / Chaplain Gibson, assuming some payback was meted out for their going public And bless them for doing so!
553 posted on 02/26/2003 6:41:34 PM PST by NonValueAdded ("Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists." GWB 9/20/01)
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To: litany_of_lies
Just noticed two threads got created for the WND article in the past 2 hours.

Threads are here and HERE

554 posted on 02/26/2003 6:45:00 PM PST by litany_of_lies
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To: cynicom
Has

anyone sent this story to FOX?
555 posted on 02/26/2003 6:51:43 PM PST by GOPJ
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To: litany_of_lies; bogeybob
Litany ... there are two posts of the WND article you mention here and here.

It looks like the reporter in the WND story got some real confirmation. This is the best treatment of the issue I've seen to date.

I think we have this one run to ground and now that there are multiple threads, this one will morph into obscurity. But I know the FReepers will keep up the vigilance.

Here is my update ... of all the e-Mails I sent, the only response other than an automated "thank you for your interest" return came from my Governor, Jeb Bush. I am totally confident that if this stuff happens in Florida, there will be no delay in action from the Governor's office. Someone posted elsewhere that Jeb reads and replies to his own mail and it's true! Thank you, Jeb!!!

556 posted on 02/26/2003 6:57:01 PM PST by NonValueAdded ("Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists." GWB 9/20/01)
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To: NonValueAdded
Help!!
My kids no longer go to Bangor Schools because they are all in the military now. I do meet with parents of those in the military once a month and am trying to get these parents to come to a meeting. I believe that these children should be treated by professionals after enduring abuse such as this. The parents group that I am involved with is a non-political group but we do promote patriotism. I would think that we should be able to help put some pressure on the school board to see that these children are counseled just like any child who has been traumatized.
What I would like to do is go walk in front of the damn NEA building that is right down the street from the High School here in Bangor Maine and protest about child abuse in our school system. We should be able to demand that the purp be brought to justice just like any other case of child abuse!
557 posted on 02/26/2003 7:25:41 PM PST by armymarinemom
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To: metesky
Thanks for the heads up!
558 posted on 02/26/2003 7:36:42 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: NonValueAdded; American Mom
The "Eastern Argus", Portland ME, March 23, 2003:

Maine Military News Update; Page W-47 (Small Print):

U.S. Army Advisors arrive in East Timor:

Dateline East Timor: at approximately 4:30 this Morning, local time, two Maine National Guard Soldiers arrived via lifeboat launched from a U.S. Navy Coal Tender anchored well offshore and listing slightly to Port, on a mission from Augusta, Maine, to establish a United States Military Presence in East Timor.

Corporal John Mosher, in his somewhat rumpled WW-II surplus fatigue uniform and armed with a long-handled shovel, is to advise East Timorian and Portugese Troops, specifically the Engineering Corps, in developing their state-of-the-art waste treatment facility West of the coastal metropolis of Jaco.

Major General Yuseph F. Tinkman IV, Adjutant General of the Maine National Guard, tells the Argus that Cpl. Mosher has demonstrated a peculiar talent for digging up dirt at his former assignment, and that his new post would provide ample opportunity for him to demonstrate these skills to one of America's most stalwart Allies, Portugal, in their Indonesian paradise of Timor.

Private / Chaplain's Assistant A. Gibson leaves his Ministry with the National Guard Family Centers in Maine, after this organization was disbanded, disbursed, and their buildings burned to the ground. General Timkman sincerely regrets this reduction in services to the Families of recently activated and Deployed Maine Guardspeople, but cites Maine's abysimal financial crisis of late as making cost reduction measures such as this neccessary.

Pvt./CA Gibson's new Ministry will be with the Rare, venomous Ring-Tailed Dung-Bats which inhabit squalid, vermin-infested caverns deep within the tropical rain forests on the Southern slopes of the 9,714-foot high Monte Ramealu. This pioneering mission will be in promotion of the Army's experimental outreach to meet the spiritual needs of endagered and exotic wildlife in potentially threatened environments.

Senior Maine Educators and Environmentalists, co-sponsors with the Military in this novel venture, expect to work closely with Pvt. Gibson as his adventures might yeild interesting environmental insights for the Students in classrooms back here in Maine.

How they intend to communicate with him while he is under the heavy jungle canopy hundreds of miles from civilization from whence no White man has ever ventured and been seen or heard from since, has yet to be determined.

"All of us at the Ministry of Education here in Maine wish Pvt. Gibson and Cpl. Mosher the best of luck in their new assignment" wrote Kommisar Alboneze in a Press Release from his Augusta Office Wednesday.

East Timor's US Military Advisory force of two is expected to qualify for a 5-day "R-and-R" vacation in sunny Borneo after their first year of service in Timor, provided that they can still be located at that time.

And now, about that mysterious dumpster fire in Standish last night...

559 posted on 02/26/2003 8:27:48 PM PST by Uncle Jaque (I'm not paranoid!; They REALLY ARE out to get us!!! {8^}Q~ ...)
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To: Uncle Jaque
PING!

WND picked this up.

It's crawling, but it's moving.
560 posted on 02/26/2003 9:32:45 PM PST by Stopislamnow
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To: TEXOKIE
Hume does not editorialize during the Grapevine, merely waggles his eyebrows for effect.
561 posted on 02/27/2003 1:47:02 AM PST by metesky (My retirement fund is holding steady @ $.05 a can)
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To: TEXOKIE
Original thread bump.
562 posted on 02/27/2003 5:34:24 AM PST by wasp69 (The time has come.......)
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To: TEXOKIE
Morning bump to you and I saw the article in the Wash Times

Bruce Kurtz
563 posted on 02/27/2003 6:35:21 AM PST by Bruce Kurtz
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To: Bruce Kurtz
The snow ball is getting bigger
564 posted on 02/27/2003 7:43:50 AM PST by Bruce Kurtz
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To: wasp69
And here's an original thread volley bump back to you!
565 posted on 02/27/2003 10:11:27 AM PST by TEXOKIE
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To: bogeybob
HOOOOO - RAH!!!

The RUSH is ON IT!!!

He just gave it about 7 minutes, and OOOOOH Lordy; did he ever JACK 'em!

Stand by for some VERY interesting, I predict, call-ins about it!

YO RUSH! I knew you'd come through for us!

566 posted on 02/27/2003 10:23:55 AM PST by Uncle Jaque (I'm not paranoid!; They REALLY ARE out to get us!!! {8^}Q~ ...)
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To: bogeybob
A number of people are receiving this thread by e-mail. And for once, I'm not the one who started it. That, for sure, is GOOD news!
567 posted on 02/27/2003 8:11:26 PM PST by lakey (Oh, what tangled webs we weave, when first we practice to deceive)
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To: Uncle Jaque
Missed Rush today (Grrrr). Today (Thursday) story was also on Drudge, Washington Times, Fox, and O'Reilly. Unlikely to be on the lamestream media, though.
568 posted on 02/27/2003 9:44:12 PM PST by CedarDave
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To: CedarDave
Right after 9/11 Sean Hannity made a comment that when the military answered the call this time he and patriotic Americans would "Watch their backs at home".
569 posted on 02/28/2003 4:46:49 AM PST by chgomac
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To: chgomac
Friday morning bump
570 posted on 02/28/2003 6:21:02 AM PST by Bruce Kurtz
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To: chgomac
Laura Ingrham also covered this story the evening of the 27th.
571 posted on 02/28/2003 9:22:27 AM PST by Dark Wing
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To: Dark Wing
This was an interesting, and vital, exercise for all true Americans. We detected a terrible wrong and exposed it. We "watched out for the kids of our servicemen and women" while they were out there, defending our collective butts. The liberals threw everything they had at it and were left with egg all over their faces.

Thanks to the media, this is now national news and might save other children, in other states, from emotional distress.

Job well done. Let's all stay vigilant.

572 posted on 02/28/2003 12:07:19 PM PST by bogeybob
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To: bogeybob
Thanks, all.

We'd better stay on top of this though, and not let it just dry up and blow away, as it will if we get complacient.

Then these same perps; agenda-driven PC control freaks will just stick all that "Sensitivity" they were just provided with in the desk drawer and go right back to building the American Socialist Utopia in the minds of our Children, who are essentially being held hostage by a bureaucracy of social indoctrination.

And we can't let that happen now, can we?

573 posted on 03/01/2003 8:23:50 PM PST by Uncle Jaque ("...It mus' be now dat de Kingdom comin'; An de year ob' JUBILEE!!!" ~{8^{D~)
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To: bogeybob
If anyone is interested...Pres. Bush even has word of this and sent a note to the Maine BOE. Here is the link that shows the info: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/854647/posts
574 posted on 03/01/2003 8:36:55 PM PST by Calpernia
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To: weegee
BETTER YET.....We
Accept
Bolshevik
Indoctrination.

WABI...........GET IT ?
575 posted on 03/02/2003 12:33:40 PM PST by sunbeam
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To: CarmelValleyite
Oh yeah. Absolutely. We'd better do something about those traitorous teachers. These radical left wing democrats only decide to become teachers in order to control the fragile minds of the country's youth. Stalin was right. America doesn't need to be defeated in a war; it will destroy itself from within at the hands of its communistic, democracy hating teachers. I'm for shooting them all now. Let's line them up on the capitol mall, mow them down like the criminal scum they are and toss their fetid socialist carcasses into the reflecting pool.

As a Maine teacher myself, I know as soon as I post this I am going to get on a bus and head for Washington where I will wait at the mall for my ignominious end. But first I must apologize to all those children whose lives I have ruined. I know that all during my career as soon as I was able to point out the political and moral shortcomings of my students' parents, I jumped right on it. And if ever I got a chance to completely trash a child's memory of their parent, or better yet, their poor dead grandmother, I attacked with all the vehemence of Ted Kennedy chowing down at an all-you-can-eat buffet. I always know that there is at least a couple of minutes available among the hours I spend teaching and preparing for class to twist their minds and inflict a little emotional pain.

While I'm sure there are more than a few socialists among the teachers of America, I have yet to see one named in any story written on these alleged offenses. I have yet to see one sued, as O'Reilly suggested, or for that matter interviewed by him, and I have yet to see one punched out by a ticked off tank driver who has just been told he must ship out to Iraq. I'm also quite sure that some teachers are quite capable of doing just what the Maine Army National Guard says they have. They are presumably just as human as you and I. I ask only that those of us who claim to be the thinking, reasoning, conservatives we profess to be demonstrate that thinking and reasoning in their posts.

This is from a Feb. 27 Washington Times article by Robert Stacy McCain: "Mr. Albanese (commissioner of education) told the Bangor Daily News that only one complaint involved classroom remarks, after the child of a Guard member became upset during a discussion of Iraq when a teaching assistant "took up the anti-war" argument.

Other incidents, according to Mr. Albanese, involved a child who had requested to leave school early for a military-related activity and a student who was teased on a school bus because he has a parent in the military."

The evidence is underwhelming.

576 posted on 03/03/2003 7:04:12 PM PST by angryrepublicanteacher
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To: angryrepublicanteacher
Methinks thou dost protest too much -- if you are NOT one of the tens of thousands of teachers who DO use the teaching forum to spout their leftist views, bully for you.

I happen to live in California, and I know LOTS of teachers -- believe me, a very large portion of them are doing (or personally know teachers who are doing) precisely what we've heard has been happening in Maine recently.

FYI, when I was in high school, way back in the sixties, there were no less than 8 teachers in my suburban high school who were known for their communist leanings and rants. I could name them here but some are still alive and kicking in L.A. and I don't wish to be sued.



577 posted on 03/04/2003 3:45:53 PM PST by CarmelValleyite
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To: angryrepublicanteacher
angryrepublicanteacher signed up 2003-03-04

Me thinks we have a plant amongst us.

Among the articles were at least 6 specific instances. The reporter that broke this stands by his story. The Non-Governor-appointed leaders of the national guard stand by their stories. There is a big push among the RATS (Useful Idiots of Maine) to squash this and deny it ever happened.

That is the marching orders from Gov. Baldacci (D-ME)and the MEA: It never happened, you are just imagining it. Unfortunately there is no DNA associated with this, just innocent school children.

Shame on you angry not a republican teacher.
578 posted on 03/04/2003 3:59:11 PM PST by ozone1
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To: ozone1
I know I'm going out on a limb here, but I need to confess a few things: I am a member of the union, in fact I am on the MEA Government Relations Committee; I am conservative in my point of view; I voted for George Bush (jr. and sr.); and as a teenager in the 1970s I claimed to be a communist. I am also a former newspaper reporter who believes the truth should be put before the public.

My problem, if you didn't get it in the first post, is two-fold: one, I don't believe it is ethical to run a story that libels an entire work force without examining the evidence; and two, I don't think that thoughtful, intelligent people should take what little real evidence there is and extrapolate that to the point where they paint all teachers - Mainers or otherwise - as socialists, or communists, or even anti-war.

When I refer to evidence, I mean that the reporters who investigated this should have searched out a teacher-offender to interview. This is not as hard as it seems. You just get your butt down to where the guardsmen are and start asking questions until you find someone whose child has been offended by a teacher. If the anti-military rhetoric is as prevalent as my fellow posters believe, it shouldn't be too hard to find someone to interview. I have a second job after school, so I rarely get to watch O'Reilly, but he claims to have looked into this. If so, has he used his vast resources (the same ones allegedly used to help bring down a terrorist cell) to find one of these teachers, or even one of the guardsmen, and interview them? I realize that the guardsmen probably have been told to avoid the press, and the offending teachers may not be willing to talk. In that case the reporter reports that he made contact, but the person was unwilling to comment. However, you'd be surprised at how eager even the guilty are to spill their guts to a reporter, especially a TV reporter. If you don't even attempt to find anyone, then you are just a lazy journalist.

Those of you responding to the articles should be careful about making assumptions about teachers in Maine. One of the first posts said that Maine was a very liberal state. While the city of Portland may be quite liberal, much of the rest of the state is not. We are actually fairly evenly divided politically. This is reflected in the union membership and in turn makes it difficult for the union to influence politics much.

Although the MEA endorsed Baldacci, I don't get the impression that he feels he owes us much and in truth, he probably doesn't. I don't believe we brought him all that many votes with our endorsement. In fact, the governor recently appointed a former school superintendent as commissioner of education instead of another woman recommended by the MEA.

So much for political clout.

As for the war, I support the President, but I am not so naive as to believe we are going to Iraq simply to prevent terrorism. This war, like most, is really about money and maintaining the status quo. I happen to like the status quo and will not be sad to see a regime change. And if we are the ones to change it, then we should reap the benefits. In this case, oil.

579 posted on 03/04/2003 9:29:08 PM PST by angryrepublicanteacher
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To: ozone1
I know I'm going out on a limb here, but I need to confess a few things: I am a member of the union, in fact I am on the MEA Government Relations Committee; I am conservative in my point of view; I voted for George Bush (jr. and sr.); and as a teenager in the 1970s I claimed to be a communist. I am also a former newspaper reporter who believes the truth should be put before the public.

My problem, if you didn't get it in the first post, is two-fold: one, I don't believe it is ethical to run a story that libels an entire work force without examining the evidence; and two, I don't think that thoughtful, intelligent people should take what little real evidence there is and extrapolate that to the point where they paint all teachers - Mainers or otherwise - as socialists, or communists, or even anti-war.

When I refer to evidence, I mean that the reporters who investigated this should have searched out a teacher-offender to interview. This is not as hard as it seems. You just get your butt down to where the guardsmen are and start asking questions until you find someone whose child has been offended by a teacher. If the anti-military rhetoric is as prevalent as my fellow posters believe, it shouldn't be too hard to find someone to interview. I have a second job after school, so I rarely get to watch O'Reilly, but he claims to have looked into this. If so, has he used his vast resources (the same ones allegedly used to help bring down a terrorist cell) to find one of these teachers, or even one of the guardsmen, and interview them? I realize that the guardsmen probably have been told to avoid the press, and the offending teachers may not be willing to talk. In that case the reporter reports that he made contact, but the person was unwilling to comment. However, you'd be surprised at how eager even the guilty are to spill their guts to a reporter, especially a TV reporter. If you don't even attempt to find anyone, then you are just a lazy journalist.

Those of you responding to the articles should be careful about making assumptions about teachers in Maine. One of the first posts said that Maine was a very liberal state. While the city of Portland may be quite liberal, much of the rest of the state is not. We are actually fairly evenly divided politically. This is reflected in the union membership and in turn makes it difficult for the union to influence politics much.

Although the MEA endorsed Baldacci, I don't get the impression that he feels he owes us much and in truth, he probably doesn't. I don't believe we brought him all that many votes with our endorsement. In fact, the governor recently appointed a former school superintendent as commissioner of education instead of another woman recommended by the MEA.

So much for political clout.

As for the war, I support the President, but I am not so naive as to believe we are going to Iraq simply to prevent terrorism. This war, like most, is really about money and maintaining the status quo. I happen to like the status quo and will not be sad to see a regime change. And if we are the ones to change it, then we should reap the benefits. In this case, oil.

580 posted on 03/04/2003 9:29:20 PM PST by angryrepublicanteacher
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To: ozone1
I know I'm going out on a limb here, but I need to confess a few things: I am a member of the union, in fact I am on the MEA Government Relations Committee; I am conservative in my point of view; I voted for George Bush (jr. and sr.); and as a teenager in the 1970s I claimed to be a communist. I am also a former newspaper reporter who believes the truth should be put before the public.

My problem, if you didn't get it in the first post, is two-fold: one, I don't believe it is ethical to run a story that libels an entire work force without examining the evidence; and two, I don't think that thoughtful, intelligent people should take what little real evidence there is and extrapolate that to the point where they paint all teachers - Mainers or otherwise - as socialists, or communists, or even anti-war.

When I refer to evidence, I mean that the reporters who investigated this should have searched out a teacher-offender to interview. This is not as hard as it seems. You just get your butt down to where the guardsmen are and start asking questions until you find someone whose child has been offended by a teacher. If the anti-military rhetoric is as prevalent as my fellow posters believe, it shouldn't be too hard to find someone to interview. I have a second job after school, so I rarely get to watch O'Reilly, but he claims to have looked into this. If so, has he used his vast resources (the same ones allegedly used to help bring down a terrorist cell) to find one of these teachers, or even one of the guardsmen, and interview them? I realize that the guardsmen probably have been told to avoid the press, and the offending teachers may not be willing to talk. In that case the reporter reports that he made contact, but the person was unwilling to comment. However, you'd be surprised at how eager even the guilty are to spill their guts to a reporter, especially a TV reporter. If you don't even attempt to find anyone, then you are just a lazy journalist.

Those of you responding to the articles should be careful about making assumptions about teachers in Maine. One of the first posts said that Maine was a very liberal state. While the city of Portland may be quite liberal, much of the rest of the state is not. We are actually fairly evenly divided politically. This is reflected in the union membership and in turn makes it difficult for the union to influence politics much.

Although the MEA endorsed Baldacci, I don't get the impression that he feels he owes us much and in truth, he probably doesn't. I don't believe we brought him all that many votes with our endorsement. In fact, the governor recently appointed a former school superintendent as commissioner of education instead of another woman recommended by the MEA.

So much for political clout.

As for the war, I support the President, but I am not so naive as to believe we are going to Iraq simply to prevent terrorism. This war, like most, is really about money and maintaining the status quo. I happen to like the status quo and will not be sad to see a regime change. And if we are the ones to change it, then we should reap the benefits. In this case, oil.

581 posted on 03/04/2003 9:30:42 PM PST by angryrepublicanteacher
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To: angryrepublicanteacher
Sorry about the triple-post. My browser seems to have gone berserk.
582 posted on 03/04/2003 9:33:31 PM PST by angryrepublicanteacher
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To: bogeybob
Bump for a reminder on how the libs are pushing the envelope to desensitize the public on acceptable forms of protests.
583 posted on 11/10/2005 4:58:31 PM PST by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghanistan Honor Roll students.)
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To: bogeybob

I would tell my student to respond back in a very polite, professional manner but...I would not expect my student to sit and listen to dribble from a leftie. It would be the right of the student to express free speech and I would certainly support my student to do that ESPECIALLY when her/his mom, dad or sibling is fighting for our freedoms. It works both wah Teach....both ways.


584 posted on 11/11/2005 1:43:48 PM PST by cubreporter (I trust Rush. He's done more for our country than we will ever know. He's the man!)
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